Question about XFactor's Adsense Course

by Biggy Fat 105 replies
Hello World. Two days ago I was patient enough to read through all thirty two pages of that closed thread and did a whole lot of studying. ATM I don't have the actual membership but the thread opened up my eyes on how to go about doing it. But here is one thing: What is a recommended theme to make it work with Wordpress? I can't build a template in XSitePro for the life of me nor do I have the cash to outsource it ATM.

Any and all help would be appreciated.
#search engine optimization #adsense #question #xfactor
  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    "Patient" hardly seems the right word for reading through pages of such excellent content ;-)

    If you buy the ebook, you will see how to lay out your pages. There is also an upgrade offer to buy a Wordpress theme.

    Pearson
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Thanks for your answer man. Thing is, the thread already opened up my eyes as to how to lay it all out and everything, and right now I can't invest in the course. Ideas were flowing and I took a crap load of notes. But what I was asking is are there any recommended themes with Wordpress that I can use it for (the freely available ones)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Well, I went ahead and chose a Wordpress theme that I think will bring me high conversions. But after studying that closed thread some more I have just one more beef: Page Rank.

      When looking at the PR on the competing sites on the first page, what's the maximum PR I should even deal with before attempting to rank my site? I've seen as high as PR4 with one or two or three sites with some of my great KWs. Should backlinking help me beat those PR4 sites?
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      • Profile picture of the author JMartin
        I thought I was the only one that read through that thread.

        Been doing AdSense for a long time, but I got some ideas from it. A worthwhile read for sure.

        Anyway, here's a thread that started yesterday about looking at competition. Maybe it will help get you on the right track.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...important.html

        As far as CTR goes, this is one of those things where you just need to get action coming to a page and look at your stats. A WP theme is easy to swap out, so don't worry too much there. Focus on getting the site going and growing.
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      • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
        I'd personally just look around for any sort of "AdSense optimized" theme.

        The ideas laid out in the thread are very good ones, but are just suggestions and ideas. In xFactor's very good book he does mention that you can/should have your own spin on his ideas if necessary.

        The basic idea is to find a low competition keyword, built a site around it, and backlink it to the top. And then get in money.

        Once you are confident on those matters, and have a fairly good theme, you should be able to make a good amount of money from the idea. (Even if it does take you a few or more websites before you truly have a good idea of which keywords to target, etc)

        Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

        Well, I went ahead and chose a Wordpress theme that I think will bring me high conversions. But after studying that closed thread some more I have just one more beef: Page Rank.

        When looking at the PR on the competing sites on the first page, what's the maximum PR I should even deal with before attempting to rank my site? I've seen as high as PR4 with one or two or three sites with some of my great KWs. Should backlinking help me beat those PR4 sites?
        It'd need more backlinking than usual, but anything is beatable.

        A PR4 page is possible to beat, yes. Or you could simply aim for the 2nd or 3rd slot - you'll still get quite a lot of the click-throughs from any searches (especially if the searcher is quite good wise and can tell that the website ranked first may not be as good as yours, which is dedicated to that particular niche)
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        • Profile picture of the author rainyclayday
          I've used the Super Adsense themes very successfully for almost all of my Adsense sites I've ever done. I think they are easy to use and you can make a nice header for it if you want to.
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      • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
        Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

        Well, I went ahead and chose a Wordpress theme that I think will bring me high conversions. But after studying that closed thread some more I have just one more beef: Page Rank.

        When looking at the PR on the competing sites on the first page, what's the maximum PR I should even deal with before attempting to rank my site? I've seen as high as PR4 with one or two or three sites with some of my great KWs. Should backlinking help me beat those PR4 sites?
        if you can't scrape together a lousy$100 for the course and to buy some domains and hosting then you really don't want an online business.
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        • Profile picture of the author XFactor
          Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

          if you can't scrape together a lousy$100 for the course and to buy some domains and hosting then you really don't want an online business.

          My uncle just got a loan from the bank for $200,000 to start an
          offline business. He has also hired expert financial advisors and
          business planners to help forecast profit and loss.

          He is starting one of those $5 dollar clothing stores (they are big
          down here in Southern California).

          He expects to break even in 18 months, then start turning a profit.

          I do not understand the mentally in the online business, however. It
          is quite the opposite.

          But then again I do not think most people realize what a business is,
          or how much work it takes.

          They treat it like a hobby and expect to make it big without investing
          anything or really trying hard morning, night and day.

          That is what I did, and still do.

          - John
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          • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
            Originally Posted by XFactor View Post


            My uncle just got a loan from the bank for $200,000 to start an
            offline business. He has also hired expert financial advisors and
            business planners to help forecast profit and loss.

            He is starting one of those $5 dollar clothing stores (they are big
            down here in Southern California).

            He expects to break even in 18 months, then start turning a profit.

            I do not understand the mentally in the online business, however. It
            is quite the opposite.

            But then again I do not think most people realize what a business is,
            or how much work it takes.

            They treat it like a hobby and expect to make it big without investing
            anything or really trying hard morning, night and day.

            That is what I did, and still do.

            - John
            I hear that! I haven't hung out in forums for years and this is the reason why. I've almost had enough of this one but every once in a while you get some gold nuggets mixed in with the non producers. Some of the questions here are from people who just don't want to take the time it WILL take to learn this stuff. You said you got to 300 a day in 6 months but I don't think they read the part about the years of trial and error prior to that. I guess I should be happy and in a way I am. Mostly because I've already paid my dues.
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            • Profile picture of the author XFactor
              Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

              I hear that! I haven't hung out in forums for years and this is the reason why. I've almost had enough of this one but every once in a while you get some gold nuggets mixed in with the non producers. Some of the questions here are from people who just don't want to take the time it WILL take to learn this stuff. You said you got to 300 a day in 6 months but I don't think they read the part about the years of trial and error prior to that. I guess I should be happy and in a way I am. Mostly because I've already paid my dues.
              4+ years online to be exact, with another 6 previous years failing at many
              business ideas.

              10 years total.

              And I'm grateful for every minute of it.

              - John
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              • Profile picture of the author Gabung
                I love to read xfactor's thread. I think to successful in internet, we should working hard and never give up with any conditions.
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              • Profile picture of the author blogsy
                Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

                4+ years online to be exact, with another 6 previous years failing at many
                business ideas.

                10 years total.

                And I'm grateful for every minute of it.

                - John
                As John points out being successful requires effort and persistance with some failure as a natural part of the process. That's exactly how business was for me also, it can be a bumpy road but very rewarding in the end.

                Making internet $$$ is not that hard if your keen to learn, whether it's adsense, affiliate marketing or selling your own product. And it doesn't get much easier than John's approach. But you have to be a "doer" and "do it" ... as I said John method is quite easy but the work load required is the hard part and unfortunately this is not what most people want, 95% want easy money with little input and even if they start they soon give up.

                Lets say you would like $1000.00 a week (very achievable) ... $4000.00 a month, and your adsense sites are averageing $30.00 a month (very achievable over time) ... you would need around 133 sites. Building and promoting 133 sites is probably as hard, maybe harder for some than most 9-5 jobs.

                And this is exactly why 95% of those looking for the online $$$ will never find them because they believe the hype and think it's easy money. Internet money is viewed by most in the same light as Amway was, it's their new Amway, because they don't need much money to get started and they have heard all the stories, they think it's their path to a fortune (rarely true). Think about it, although there were vast numbers worldwide involved with Amway, most people have never met anyone that made any decent money from it.

                The Internet does offer a real opportunity for the small percentage of "doers" that will put in a consistant work effort, but if your looking for easy money, IMO you will not find it on the internet, not in the first 12 months anyway. Once your sites are established and you are happy with your income level, then maintaining the traffic will require an ongoing effort. It requires the same effort as running any business, if you can't see yourself doing and enjoying that role on a daily basis then maybe the internet as an income is not for you.

                For those that are not put of by some serious work, John's method is a good place to start and get the money flowing, it will also set you up for affiliate opportunities down the track if that part of the internet appeals to you.
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                • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
                  Originally Posted by blogsy View Post

                  As John points out being successful requires effort and persistance with some failure as a natural part of the process. That's exactly how business was for me also, it can be a bumpy road but very rewarding in the end.

                  Making internet $$$ is not that hard if your keen to learn, whether it's adsense, affiliate marketing or selling your own product. And it doesn't get much easier than John's approach. But you have to be a "doer" and "do it" ... as I said John method is quite easy but the work load required is the hard part and unfortunately this is not what most people want, 95% want easy money with little input and even if they start they soon give up.

                  Lets say you would like $1000.00 a week (very achievable) ... $4000.00 a month, and your adsense sites are averageing $30.00 a month (very achievable over time) ... you would need around 133 sites. Building and promoting 133 sites is probably as hard, maybe harder for some than most 9-5 jobs.

                  And this is exactly why 95% of those looking for the online $$$ will never find them because they believe the hype and think it's easy money. Internet money is viewed by most in the same light as Amway was, it's their new Amway, because they don't need much money to get started and they have heard all the stories, they think it's their path to a fortune (rarely true). Think about it, although there were vast numbers worldwide involved with Amway, most people have never met anyone that made any decent money from it.

                  The Internet does offer a real opportunity for the small percentage of "doers" that will put in a consistant work effort, but if your looking for easy money, IMO you will not find it on the internet, not in the first 12 months anyway. Once your sites are established and you are happy with your income level, then maintaining the traffic will require an ongoing effort. It requires the same effort as running any business, if you can't see yourself doing and enjoying that role on a daily basis then maybe the internet as an income is not for you.

                  For those that are not put of by some serious work, John's method is a good place to start and get the money flowing, it will also set you up for affiliate opportunities down the track if that part of the internet appeals to you.
                  Put this on your wall, ladies and gentlemen. Great post.
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              • Profile picture of the author SakeSushi
                Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

                4+ years online to be exact, with another 6 previous years failing at many
                business ideas.

                10 years total.

                And I'm grateful for every minute of it.

                - John
                10 years, probably i should show this thread to my gf.

                she is kinda "complaining" the rate i am earning at adsense.
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                • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
                  Originally Posted by SakeSushi View Post

                  10 years, probably i should show this thread to my gf.

                  she is kinda "complaining" the rate i am earning at adsense.

                  It's going to be double hard to get ahead on the internet if you have to worry about a spouse or girlfriend complaining. When I started on the internet I told my girlfriend that I was going to make a living with my computer and if she wanted security she should shop around for it because I don't want to hear complaining. Well I did hear complaining but I would just close the door. Now 12 years later she is glad she stuck around. Sometimes you have to go with your gut and if that mean dumping her, so be it.
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                • Profile picture of the author Glenny61
                  Originally Posted by SakeSushi View Post

                  10 years, probably i should show this thread to my gf.

                  she is kinda "complaining" the rate i am earning at adsense.
                  And Im sure she will be tickled pink when she reads the part about taking ten years

                  Glenn
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        • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
          Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

          if you can't scrape together a lousy$100 for the course and to buy some domains and hosting then you really don't want an online business.
          Of course I can invest that, just not ATM. I don't have it because I still have other online/offline expenses to pay and I blew around $400 on a failed project. When I recover then it will be on. I just have to go by the thread for now.
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

          if you can't scrape together a lousy$100 for the course and to buy some domains and hosting then you really don't want an online business.
          Ahem...cough, cough...hmm....I strongly disagree with you. 100%.

          I not only started a web development business from scratch about 3 months ago when I had less than $5 to my name and got paying clients (still do) but I now have partnered with someone who will pay for the first 15 domains I create around Adsense where he will keep 7 domains and I will keep 8. And he is likely going to buy John's course and we will use it to help us succeed better than we could on our own.

          Forgive me for saying so but I cannot stress enough that the thought that you should not have an online business if you can't scrape up $100 is pure and unadulterated baloney.

          No offense intended but that's the truth.

          If anyone doesn't have enough to get started on their own...partner up with someone who does and put in your sweat equity in exchange. Don't sell yourself short. There is no shame in having no discretionary income if you are willing to work with integrity to improve your lot in life.

          I've even bartered for my rent in San Diego. One of the most expensive places to live on Earth. Twice and very successfully so. Don't tell me it can't be done. I've done it.

          Carlos

          PS. I should give credit where credit is due. The one who made it possible for me to come to San Diego from Canada 8 months ago with barely more than the shirt off my back was...God! And He continues to sustain me and help me every single day. All things are possible with Him. Without Him you ain't got nothing even if you have all the money in the world.
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          • Profile picture of the author secretjustin
            I agree with Carlos123.

            If you don't have the money, then you will have to use time and organization to your advantage. Using other peoples money, whether it's from a bank, investor, or partner, just happens to be something that is done all the time. If you have a good plan, and are serious about it, you can get money for anything

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          • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
            Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

            Ahem...cough, cough...hmm....I strongly disagree with you. 100%.

            I not only started a web development business from scratch about 3 months ago when I had less than $5 to my name and got paying clients (still do) but I now have partnered with someone who will pay for the first 15 domains I create around Adsense where he will keep 7 domains and I will keep 8. And he is likely going to buy John's course and we will use it to help us succeed better than we could on our own.

            Forgive me for saying so but I cannot stress enough that the thought that you should not have an online business if you can't scrape up $100 is pure and unadulterated baloney.

            No offense intended but that's the truth.

            If anyone doesn't have enough to get started on their own...partner up with someone who does and put in your sweat equity in exchange. Don't sell yourself short. There is no shame in having no discretionary income if you are willing to work with integrity to improve your lot in life.

            I've even bartered for my rent in San Diego. One of the most expensive places to live on Earth. Twice and very successfully so. Don't tell me it can't be done. I've done it.

            Carlos

            PS. I should give credit where credit is due. The one who made it possible for me to come to San Diego from Canada 8 months ago with barely more than the shirt off my back was...God! And He continues to sustain me and help me every single day. All things are possible with Him. Without Him you ain't got nothing even if you have all the money in the world.
            excuse me!! LOL but let me point something out to you that you have clearly missed. I said scrape together $100 didn't I? Well what do you consider getting a partner to spend $150? That my friend is scraping together some money. Bartering for rent is scraping together some money. Using money to buy things is simply bartering, you are giving the paper you made for working in exchange for something of equal value, this is bartering your skills. When you took a partner you are bartering and scraping together some money to get a business going. Make sense?

            PS why did you feel the need to include a mythical character in a business discussion? You know if it wasn't for the fairy tales there would be no wars. The biggest reason we're in foreign countries right now is the fanatics who really believe the fairy tales, not just brainwashed homeless kids who have nothing else.
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

              LOL but let me point something out to you that you have clearly missed. I said scrape together $100 didn't I? Well what do you consider getting a partner to spend $150? That my friend is scraping together some money. Bartering for rent is scraping together some money. Using money to buy things is simply bartering, you are giving the paper you made for working in exchange for something of equal value, this is bartering your skills. When you took a partner you are bartering and scraping together some money to get a business going. Make sense?
              Sorry for taking your statement too literally marketseeker. My apologies.

              PS why did you feel the need to include a mythical character in a business discussion? You know if it wasn't for the fairy tales there would be no wars. The biggest reason we're in foreign countries right now is the fanatics who really believe the fairy tales, not just homeless kids who have nothing else.
              Why? Pretty simple really. Because I don't consider God to be a mythical character but a very real being who gives us all the ability to make wealth whether we acknowledge that or not. As such I felt a need to give Him credit for the incredible way in which I have made it in San Diego.

              I try not to interject the mention of His name in business discussions too often since I know there are quite a number who undoubtedly resent that but what can I say? I can no more hide who is He is in my life than I could hide it if I was married to a drop dead gorgeous wonderful woman who was a great cook.

              Once in a while...out pops His glorious and wonderful name. I make no apology for that though I certainly don't believe in beating people over the head with his name either.

              Carlos
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            • Profile picture of the author JMartin
              Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

              PS why did you feel the need to include a mythical character in a business discussion? You know if it wasn't for the fairy tales there would be no wars. The biggest reason we're in foreign countries right now is the fanatics who really believe the fairy tales, not just brainwashed homeless kids who have nothing else.
              Why do you feel the need to attack someone's beliefs when it's uncalled for? And why do you feel the need to keep harping on someone's beliefs, country, etc in a BUSINESS forum.

              It's understandable that you don't believe in whatever, but taking it to the "mythical creature" extreme is immature and not the character of someone who belongs here.

              I'm responding, because we (the community) need to head off religious persecution in a BUSINESS forum.

              It's obvious you have a personal issue here, so take it up in private. We don't need to soil this great forum with pointless banter.
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              • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
                Originally Posted by JMartin View Post

                Why do you feel the need to attack someone's beliefs when it's uncalled for? And why do you feel the need to keep harping on someone's beliefs, country, etc in a BUSINESS forum.

                It's understandable that you don't believe in whatever, but taking it to the "mythical creature" extreme is immature and not the character of someone who belongs here.

                I'm responding, because we (the community) need to head off religious persecution in a BUSINESS forum.

                It's obvious you have a personal issue here, so take it up in private. We don't need to soil this great forum with pointless banter.

                Just to clarify the word I used was "character" and I too was asking why it was said. "whatever"
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            • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
              Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

              PS why did you feel the need to include a mythical character in a business discussion? You know if it wasn't for the fairy tales there would be no wars. The biggest reason we're in foreign countries right now is the fanatics who really believe the fairy tales, not just brainwashed homeless kids who have nothing else.
              Oh shut up, stop attacking people for their BELIEFS and FAITH.

              There are plently of atheist forums out there, just go off to one of those. Best for all of us. Perhaps they do some business there, too.
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              • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                And everyone wants me to start a forum.... :rolleyes:

                - John
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                • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                  Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

                  And everyone wants me to start a forum.... :rolleyes:

                  - John
                  Forums can be great though they do take a huge amount of time to administer. I once started one and though it was really small it was almost a full time job to keep up with it.

                  Carlos
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                  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
                    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                    Forums can be great though they do take a huge amount of time to administer. I once started one and though it was really small it was almost a full time job to keep up with it.

                    Carlos
                    Yep, agreed. To be honest basically everything needed is in the guide. I'm not too sure if a forums is needed (at least for me) since the only way to succeed with this is to take action today and not just keep asking questions.

                    A forums may just increase procrastination. Just my $0.02 though, I do understand there are a lot of people who want mentoring etc.

                    And as for argument's etc, hopefully that would't be a problem since everyone would be members of the course (and paying for the use of it). Moderating a forum nowadays is easy enough due to automated warning systems and "Report to mod" buttons and the like.
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                    • Profile picture of the author JMartin
                      Originally Posted by TristanPerry View Post

                      Yep, agreed. To be honest basically everything needed is in the guide. I'm not too sure if a forums is needed (at least for me) since the only way to succeed with this is to take action today and not just keep asking questions.

                      A forums may just increase procrastination. Just my $0.02 though, I do understand there are a lot of people who want mentoring etc.

                      And as for argument's etc, hopefully that would't be a problem since everyone would be members of the course (and paying for the use of it). Moderating a forum nowadays is easy enough due to automated warning systems and "Report to mod" buttons and the like.
                      I agree with forums causing people to lose lots of time.

                      However, they can be great when they are ultra focused on a goal. It would be good for idea generation, inspiration and connecting with others.

                      It's just nice to chat with people who are doing what you're doing.

                      I do a lot of different things, but I enjoy talking with people about AdSense since I've been using it for years and LOVE it (I'm a publisher at heart).
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                      • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
                        Originally Posted by JMartin View Post

                        I agree with forums causing people to lose lots of time.

                        However, they can be great when they are ultra focused on a goal. It would be good for idea generation, inspiration and connecting with others.

                        It's just nice to chat with people who are doing what you're doing.

                        I do a lot of different things, but I enjoy talking with people about AdSense since I've been using it for years and LOVE it (I'm a publisher at heart).
                        Yeah you may be right Don't get me wrong, it *will* be a good and helpful place.

                        It'll just be interesting to see whether the balance (which will be determined by the member's posts, infairness) is more tipped towards synergy and idea creation, or simply asking questions which could be covered by taking action (or reading page x of the course, etc)

                        I may have been a little too strong earlier though, it could well be a good idea, and an amazing one if the balance is towards synergy and new ideas

                        Originally Posted by marketseeker View Post

                        I've got some really good ideas from this forum in the short time I've been here and I appreciate it. I didn't really mean to start an argument I was just stating how I felt about something that was said. I do however agree that with the information John has already given and his course if someone can't get started with that then they never will.
                        Fair enough, apologies for my outburst.
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                    • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
                      Originally Posted by TristanPerry View Post

                      Yep, agreed. To be honest basically everything needed is in the guide. I'm not too sure if a forums is needed (at least for me) since the only way to succeed with this is to take action today and not just keep asking questions.

                      A forums may just increase procrastination. Just my $0.02 though, I do understand there are a lot of people who want mentoring etc.

                      And as for argument's etc, hopefully that would't be a problem since everyone would be members of the course (and paying for the use of it). Moderating a forum nowadays is easy enough due to automated warning systems and "Report to mod" buttons and the like.

                      I've got some really good ideas from this forum in the short time I've been here and I appreciate it. I didn't really mean to start an argument I was just stating how I felt about something that was said. I do however agree that with the information John has already given and his course if someone can't get started with that then they never will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Just a note for some folks regarding the wordpress theme, my version 2 (the offered one from John's course) is coming out either late today or tomorrow morning that includes the config page and in regards to the PR issue with new sites, don't worry about it.

    I'll give you an example. John posted up the topic of bbq grills in his first thread. Bucking the trend, i decided to see if there were any tasty keyword domains available, and if there were- could i compete due to the other sites centered around that keyword.

    One month later, after building out that site, i was already making money. That one site made $9.15 in 30 days. Not bad
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      Originally Posted by Kael41 View Post

      One month later, after building out that site, i was already making money. That one site made $9.15 in 30 days. Not bad
      Not at all.

      If there aren't 4,500 new BBQ sites that were made after that thread came out, I'd be surprised.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kael41
        But see, that's the beauty of it. Doesn't have to be just bbq lol. Right now my wife is pregnant so guess what MY site building inspiration is all about lol

        David
        Originally Posted by JMartin View Post

        Not at all.

        If there aren't 4,500 new BBQ sites that were made after that thread came out, I'd be surprised.
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        • Profile picture of the author JMartin
          Originally Posted by Kael41 View Post

          But see, that's the beauty of it. Doesn't have to be just bbq lol. Right now my wife is pregnant so guess what MY site building inspiration is all about lol

          David
          Congrats!

          It's funny how so many people get stuck for an idea when they are everywhere.

          I think the main issue with most is they are scared that what they pick won't be " the right one."
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    I know the content is great and he does a wonderful job of laying it all out, has anyone been able to pull in the incredible CTR that he has (IE: 50% +)?
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      I know the content is great and he does a wonderful job of laying it all out, has anyone been able to pull in the incredible CTR that he has (IE: 50% +)?

      Getting such a high CTR not only depends on your site layout, but
      also the keywords used, the type of traffic coming in, and more
      importantly, how targeted that traffic is.

      - John
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    • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      I know the content is great and he does a wonderful job of laying it all out, has anyone been able to pull in the incredible CTR that he has (IE: 50% +)?
      I'm using his guide to the T and only see 2-5% CTR..... I haven't had much luck yet. $.20 days aren't thrilling when being pulled from 4 mini-sites, most being on the first page of google for their keyword phrase.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

        I'm using his guide to the T and only see 2-5% CTR..... I haven't had much luck yet. $.20 days aren't thrilling when being pulled from 4 mini-sites, most being on the first page of google for their keyword phrase.
        My CTR are substantially higher than that. Maybe it's your keyword selection or site layout? I'm using my own custom coded WordPress template so maybe my layout is different than yours.
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        • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
          Well my layout is extactly as John describes. In fact, I built it in XsitePro, just as he did. I've seen very little success. I've tried to vary the format, color scheme, width, etc - I found my CTR dropped from the staggering 2-5% down to .5-1% so I think the layout is okay.

          On the keywords, I've done my best to follow it precisely as well. My primary niche URL uses a 3 word keyword that meets a variety of criteria for serach volume and SOC. (I also use MNF just like John).

          What's your advice on keywords? I email John and we shot a couple replies back and forth, but he would never give me a straight answer. What's your input? Here's an example Phrase I might use: "Gold Soccer Shoes" or "Braun 7625 Shaver" - am I missing the golden egg someplace?

          I have about 130 articles on Ezine pumped into these 4 sites, and another 40 at GoArticles as well. I even used Article Announcer on the one site in a desperate attempt to generate different forms of traffic; AA has distributed over 3,000 combined articles for these keywords. I have a huge selection of tools at my hands - everything from Xrumer,AA,APR,MNF, the FBI and CIA (just kidding) so I'm willing to try anything. It's really crappy because I have about $300 tied up in URL's I've bought but haven't done anything with because I can't even get the first 4 off the ground.

          *I would consider myself an ideal individual to show something to - I'm willing to do the work*
          Of course that hard work earned me a 1.XX CTR today... Had I had enough posts I was going to post a picture of my 50 cents of "Success"

          So please, educate me on what has worked for you. I'm all ears at this point. Check your PM for more data regaurding my seriousness.
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          • Profile picture of the author XFactor
            Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

            Well my layout is extactly as John describes. In fact, I built it in XsitePro, just as he did. I've seen very little success. I've tried to vary the format, color scheme, width, etc - I found my CTR dropped from the staggering 2-5% down to .5-1% so I think the layout is okay.

            On the keywords, I've done my best to follow it precisely as well. My primary niche URL uses a 3 word keyword that meets a variety of criteria for serach volume and SOC. (I also use MNF just like John).

            What's your advice on keywords? I email John and we shot a couple replies back and forth, but he would never give me a straight answer. What's your input? Here's an example Phrase I might use: "Gold Soccer Shoes" or "Braun 7625 Shaver" - am I missing the golden egg someplace?

            I have about 130 articles on Ezine pumped into these 4 sites, and another 40 at GoArticles as well. I even used Article Announcer on the one site in a desperate attempt to generate different forms of traffic; AA has distributed over 3,000 combined articles for these keywords. I have a huge selection of tools at my hands - everything from Xrumer,AA,APR,MNF, the FBI and CIA (just kidding) so I'm willing to try anything. It's really crappy because I have about $300 tied up in URL's I've bought but haven't done anything with because I can't even get the first 4 off the ground.

            *I would consider myself an ideal individual to show something to - I'm willing to do the work*

            So please, educate me on what has worked for you. I'm all ears at this point. Check your PM for more data regaurding my seriousness.
            It's very hard to answer this type of question without knowing
            very specific details.

            If you are getting such a low CTR then I would say the traffic
            is not targeted enough.

            A "template" is only a small part of the equation.

            If you could provide the following then it would be much
            easier to help:

            1) How many visitors are coming to your site.
            2) Where are those visitors coming from (i.e. what keywords
            are they typing in?)
            3) What ranking is your site's main keyword sitting at?
            4) What is the approximate search count for that keyword?
            5) Are your Adsense Ads showing up with related products
            to your visitors search query?

            In other words, just because you are getting a terrible CTR
            it has only a small connection to your template.

            Lastly, for the record the high CTR examples in my book
            were stated as occurrences that are not the norm for every
            site - I'm very happy with a 20 - 30% CTR on average.

            - John
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            • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
              John,

              I gave you the URL for one of the site's.

              1) How many visitors are coming to your site.

              - Daily volume is 75-150 on weekdays. <100 on weekends
              -Working on improving this through additional pages being added to each site, with each keyword being pounded into my article rotation.

              2) Where are those visitors coming from (i.e. what keywords
              are they typing in?)

              - The keywords are close to my targeted.
              - *REAL EXAMPLE* - "Braun Electric Shaver Reviews"
              - Often get vistors from "Electric Shaver Reviews"
              - Began to target "Electric Shaver Reviews" in my backlinks because I saw that I was getting traffic from it.

              3) What ranking is your site's main keyword sitting at?

              - two of the four sites are both sitting at #8. One is sitting at #12. The other bounces between 4 and 20? I think that's google trying to figure out the AA articles and the duplicate content filter is going nuts. This may all change on Monday. Ezine has about 30 articles in stage 3. So that should free up an additional 60 backlinks.

              4) What is the approximate search count for that keyword?

              -Between 1300 and 2600 searches a month depending on the phrase.

              5) Are your Adsense Ads showing up with related products
              to your visitors search query?

              - Yes. At first no, but I corrected that issue through on page content manipulation.


              Hopefully when this posts the content will be organized enough to read. I tried my best to make it easy on everyone's eyes
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              • Profile picture of the author rainyclayday
                Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post


                - The keywords are close to my targeted.
                - *REAL EXAMPLE* - "Braun Electric Shaver Reviews"
                - Often get vistors from "Electric Shaver Reviews"
                - Began to target "Electric Shaver Reviews" in my backlinks because I saw that I was getting traffic from it.
                Is that your actual site? The reason I ask is you say it's a real example and I tried typing it in and didn't see anything that looked like it would be your page on page 1 of Google.

                Be sure to sign out of Google before you check to see what page your site is on. I didn't realize you had to do that for the longest time and wondered why my site was sitting on page 1, position 1 with no traffic. Turned out it was on page 4 or 5.
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                • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
                  Originally Posted by rainyclayday View Post

                  Is that your actual site? The reason I ask is you say it's a real example and I tried typing it in and didn't see anything that looked like it would be your page on page 1 of Google.

                  Be sure to sign out of Google before you check to see what page your site is on. I didn't realize you had to do that for the longest time and wondered why my site was sitting on page 1, position 1 with no traffic. Turned out it was on page 4 or 5.
                  It may depend on where he lives, too. I'm in the UK (so go through google.co.uk automatically, even if I type in google.com) and could see his site on page 1, position 7.

                  I've noticed that one of my keywords (which gets a lot of searches in the UK, but not so much in other countries) is top in google.com's DCs, but 'only' second in google.co.uk's DC.
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                • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
                  Originally Posted by rainyclayday View Post

                  Is that your actual site? The reason I ask is you say it's a real example and I tried typing it in and didn't see anything that looked like it would be your page on page 1 of Google.

                  Be sure to sign out of Google before you check to see what page your site is on. I didn't realize you had to do that for the longest time and wondered why my site was sitting on page 1, position 1 with no traffic. Turned out it was on page 4 or 5.
                  Actually that real example is the page that jumps all over the place, from page 4 to page 20. I sent john the specific URL for that site I think. It may have been another, I can't recall now - that was so last week Either way the Braun was the one that I experiemented with by using AA to batch out a bunch of backlinks and google didn't care for that so much apparently. 2 of the other sites are on the first page, the 3rd site is on the 2nd page. I fight for positions 7-9 typically depending on the day. As far as not using a Reviews keyword, I was just following the advice right out of John's book. I have another site that ends in "Now" as well. I'll correct these actions as I move forward. Anyone wanna buy some url's half off, lol. (Just kidding)

                  Still floating around a 2-5% CTR, but I cracked 6% a few days ago. I suppose that's nothing special when other's "Average" 30%...
                  Either way, I'm getting visitors - I average over 100 visits daily across the 4 sites, which isn't a great huge number but it's roughly 3000/month. That would be 900 clicks monthly if I was averaging what other's claim they are. Instead I get maybe 3 a day.... or 90 a month, or just 10% of what I "Should" be getting....

                  I'll swing up another 3 or 4 sites tonight and tomorrow to play the averages/probability game, and another 3 or 4 over the weekend. I've been bombing ezine with about 20-30 articles a day - not that they approve them that quickly but normally in 2-3 days. I'm holding out hope that this is somehow a problem with my work ethic and going backlink crazy from PR6 sites will help it, but we will see.

                  I simply do not understand how people have managed to a 30% CTR. It's actually a bit shocking honestly. I'm not writing anything off as a bad investment but if I was a buyer, and someone was trying to sell me this 30% average CTR again, the numbers are just too far off for me to say it was a sound purchase.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
                Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

                2) Where are those visitors coming from (i.e. what keywords
                are they typing in?)

                - The keywords are close to my targeted.
                - *REAL EXAMPLE* - "Braun Electric Shaver Reviews"
                - Often get vistors from "Electric Shaver Reviews"
                - Began to target "Electric Shaver Reviews" in my backlinks because I saw that I was getting traffic from it.
                For these sites, I don't go after "reviews" keywords. I aim for actual product keywords as in your shaver example. I want people who are in the buying phase to find my site - not those who are trying to figure out which widget they need.

                If someone is looking for reviews and comes to one of my sites, they will hit "back" since I'm not giving them a review. If they're looking for a specific product, the big ad block could be mistaken for a link for those products on my site.

                At least that's how I suspect it works.
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                • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                  Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

                  For these sites, I don't go after "reviews" keywords. I aim for actual product keywords as in your shaver example. I want people who are in the buying phase to find my site - not those who are trying to figure out which widget they need.

                  If someone is looking for reviews and comes to one of my sites, they will hit "back" since I'm not giving them a review. If they're looking for a specific product, the big ad block could be mistaken for a link for those products on my site.

                  At least that's how I suspect it works.
                  Excellent post!

                  - John
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                  • Profile picture of the author Tutsy
                    Always wanted to make money with Adsense...but what would be the easiest way to start for a newbie of course?
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                    • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
                      Originally Posted by Tutsy View Post

                      Always wanted to make money with Adsense...but what would be the easiest way to start for a newbie of course?
                      The easiest? Buy John's course.

                      The cheapest? Read all 32 pages of http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...s-learned.html

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                        Originally Posted by TristanPerry View Post

                        The easiest? Buy John's course.

                        The cheapest? Read all 32 pages of http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...s-learned.html

                        His thread and the thread from Internetmarketer99 gives so much free info. Just read those 2 threads and you have everything you need to get started.

                        Sit down, read, eliminate all the "noise" out there from get rich quick schemes, secret ideas that aren't really secrets, and just start.

                        The longest journey begins with a single step. (love that saying)
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                  • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
                    Hello John, Is there a WSO for the Xfactor Adsense Master Course
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          • Profile picture of the author secretjustin
            Godoveryou - I think maybe you should slow down a bit and focus. Maybe do some different testing. Really understand the results and make the changes needed. But, give it some time before you start changing things up again.

            I think $300 tied up in urls, that your not even using, sounds a bit frantic. It's good to have a plan but don't jump too far in to the future. Maybe by the time you get to use them, you will have learned something different, and it won't make sense to use the urls you've already got laying around.


            Even so, It's great that you've taken some action! A lot of people won't put in as much effort or get to where you are. So congrats!!!


            All IMHO Peace
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            • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
              Originally Posted by secretjustin View Post

              Godoveryou - I think maybe you should slow down a bit and focus. Maybe do some different testing. Really understand the results and make the changes needed. But, give it some time before you start changing things up again.

              I think $300 tied up in urls, that your not even using, sounds a bit frantic. It's good to have a plan but don't jump too far in to the future. Maybe by the time you get to use them, you will have learned something different, and it won't make sense to use the urls you've already got laying around.

              Even so, It's great that you've taken some action! A lot of people won't put in as much effort or get to where you are. So congrats!!!


              All IMHO Peace
              Thank you for seeing that I'm willing to pay to play and put some articles out there...

              As far as the URL's - it wasn't frantic. Just the reverse actually. I decided that I would trust John and keep building sites as he suggested in his book. I made a very concious decision about the URL's based upon the idea that if they weren't used for adsense, I would simply turn them into Amazon-Based Review type sites with for sale banner on them to sell to other webmasters down the road. Either way, it's not money "Lost," just tied up for now. Either way, if I had to dump the other 28 URLs, the couple hundred bucks is an annoyance but it's not damaging finacially.

              I bought them knowing that I could get out from underneath them if I needed to. That's the pawn broker mindset that I carry with me in purchasing decisions.

              As far as making site adjustments, I typically only adjusted one site and left the others close the John's template. This was done purposefully as a "Control" for my testing. I'm very well aware that ADHD like behavior is not typically web-friendly and certainly not what you want when trying to drill down a problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    I've done some split testing (2 days on, 2 days off) and have seen anywhere from 15-35% INCREASE in my tests. That's from my own experience, so you're mileage may vary.

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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Sounds great, guys. I will go with my gut and say PR4 or less. BTW, I do have MNF to help me out on the SOC, and it is a HUGE help. You could spend all day finding niches to exploit haha.
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    David

    sent you 2 pm's - can you please response
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  • Profile picture of the author XFactor
    Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

    Hello World. Two days ago I was patient enough to read through all thirty two pages of that closed thread and did a whole lot of studying. ATM I don't have the actual membership but the thread opened up my eyes on how to go about doing it. But here is one thing: What is a recommended theme to make it work with Wordpress? I can't build a template in XSitePro for the life of me nor do I have the cash to outsource it ATM.

    Any and all help would be appreciated.
    Read through my 30-page thread again, it explains how simple my
    layout is.

    In case you did not pay attention, here ya go:

    1) Header with main keyword in it.
    2) Navigation in header and in right panel.
    3) Large Adsense block (336 x 280) below the title and intro paragraph.
    4) Content underneath.

    Now get to work picking your niches, writing content and getting traffic.

    - John
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottR
    You can get up and running with a very decent hosting plan for under $30 bucks for your entire first year including a domain name (if you just look for a coupon code). In other words, you can get started for the price of a movie for 2. There are just so many ways to make money with that hosting plan, you really HAVE to get that money back at least ten fold within the course of a year if you at least try, and not even try all that hard.

    The first site I put up I hand coded (without any idea what I was even doing). It looked awful, and I had NO idea about SEO (on-site or off). But I found a relevant affiliate offer, put up the banners, added a couple links, and moved on. Within 6 months, it had made $250 in commissions. In the time since, it's made around $5,000 in affiliate sales. And I have never touched it, other than to move it to a slightly less hideous static template.

    I've literally never not made money on a site, whether through affiliate offers or adsense. It might not be much, but they always make money. Maybe it's $15 a month, maybe it's $900. They key is actually putting in the work to get them live and building the links.

    There has never been a business opportunity as easy to start and to build as an internet business. If you really want to start one, then you can find the money, even if you have to collect cans. Because it is shocking how much you can bring in with just that $30 investment, some effort, and lots of trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I agree with John that 20%-30% (sometimes higher) is about par for the course for the sites that I produce.
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  • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
    Congradulations - what are you doing so right and what am I doing so wrong?
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    • Profile picture of the author Cosmo Demopoulos
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      Congradulations - what are you doing so right and what am I doing so wrong?
      I've got few more sites up than you, and having better (but not fantastic) success (yet).

      I think you need more sites. Some are just going to work and some will just be low performers. Maybe all 4 you have are in the low to mediocre range for some reason? Maybe they'll take off eventually, maybe not.

      4 is too small a sample set to draw conclusions from (spoken like the true ex-mathematician I am). Throw up another 8, varying any and everything you care to experiment with (or nothing should you chose), and see what happens. That's what I'm doing right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    What I have found is that some sites/keywords that appear to be good candidates actually produce ads that don't match closely enough.

    For example, a site about "motorcyle parts" may seem good BUT when you look at what ads show up, they are more closely matched to buying motorcyles (not parts).

    What I do for the sites I create is ensure the ads will match them before starting the process for a given keyword. I think this is why the sites I create do so well. Admittedly, I'm not too into article marketing (still getting used to it) so I'm still leasing some of my sites out to people having trouble with keyword selection and such.
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    • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
      I found that same thing too. Luckily it only affected a one of my secondary keywords on that site. I immediately rectified that when looking at keywords in the future. A product and model number seemed like would do well also, but sometimes that isn't the case. For instance, I've found "(name brand) Gold 7854" generally couldn't produce an ad set that match the item. Howver, just listing the product name and color did very well, one ad even saying the color right in the headline.

      It seems like the only keywords that will really do well are the keywords with low monthly search numbers (1500 or less). So far my top producer is a site that only is titled for 1300 searches a month at this point, total - despite the fact that my other more frequently searched and viewed sites almost never produce a click.

      *No layout changes between the two either. Same Template - EDIT IN
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    My sites don't target anything with fewer than 3000 searches per month.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      For sites where ads are not matching, do you try section targeting - or are the ads simply not available? That has helped me on several sites.

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    • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      My sites don't target anything with fewer than 3000 searches per month.
      Your total site doesn't target fewer than 3000, or just the main keyword/url doesn't target fewer than 3000?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    All of my sites utilize section targeting.

    Its not that the ads do not match, per se. They just aren't as targeted as I'd like them sometimes. Exact match ads just are not available all the time. Although Google may deem motorcyle ads as a match for a site on motorcycle parts, I do not.
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  • Profile picture of the author gtrplyr
    I've currently got two sites up. The first one is finally on the first page of Google for my main keyword. Waiting for my Exinearticles articles to get approved. It currently makes anywhere from $.50-$1/day.

    The other site isn't indexed yet, but I anticipate it to do a bit better.
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  • Profile picture of the author m4ster
    I've got two questions, but first of all I must say that Xfactor's strategy is simply amazing. It requires hard work and consistency, but the point is that your income is spread out over different websites so if some of them fails, you can still rely on other.

    Question I wanted to ask is erm... Do you use google analytics and google webmaster tools for all your websites?

    I'm not using anything, but today I've seen something strange. I had 200% CTR on one of my websites (1 impression, 2 clicks). Is that a bug or things like that simply happen (same person clicking 2 ads)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
      Originally Posted by m4ster View Post

      I'm not using anything, but today I've seen something strange. I had 200% CTR on one of my websites (1 impression, 2 clicks). Is that a bug or things like that simply happen (same person clicking 2 ads)?
      One visitor, two clicks. It happens more often than you realize but it stands out when you only have one visitor.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by m4ster View Post

      first of all I must say that Xfactor's strategy is simply amazing. It requires hard work and consistency, but the point is that your income is spread out over different websites so if some of them fails, you can still rely on other.
      I agree 100%. There is ALOT of work involved with this. Although it's been said a few times, I think some might still be missing that point. In addition to all of the article marketing I do for my own sites, I also linkwheel them all with an 8-10 property linkwheel. This usually helps with indexing and even some traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
        Hello everyone, Is there a WSO for the Xfactor Adsense Master Cours. Thanks
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          Originally Posted by olamilekan2 View Post

          Hello everyone, Is there a WSO for the Xfactor Adsense Master Cours. Thanks
          About the discount, I originally ran a discount that was supposed to end after 2 weeks, but I stretched it to 3 weeks, then 4 weeks, then 5, then finally almost 7 weeks.

          But now to keep things fair to all paying customers of the full price, I have to keep my word to uphold the normal investment.

          I'm sure you can understand that. The highest of integrity is my goal when helping others with Adsense.

          - John
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          • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
            Ok, no problem, Thanks. I will purchase the book now. I am determined to make my adsense business work, all i need is a working strategy. And from the reviews i read i do beleive the ebook is a working strategy and all i need to do is take informed action.
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          • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
            Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

            The highest of integrity is my goal when helping others with Adsense.
            Originally Posted by XFactor

            If you could provide the following then it would be much
            easier to help:

            1) How many visitors are coming to your site.
            2) Where are those visitors coming from (i.e. what keywords
            are they typing in?)
            3) What ranking is your site's main keyword sitting at?
            4) What is the approximate search count for that keyword?
            5) Are your Adsense Ads showing up with related products
            to your visitors search query?
            Originally Posted by GOD

            I gave you the URL for one of the site's.

            1) How many visitors are coming to your site.

            - Daily volume is 75-150 on weekdays. <100 on weekends
            -Working on improving this through additional pages being added to each site, with each keyword being pounded into my article rotation.

            2) Where are those visitors coming from (i.e. what keywords
            are they typing in?)

            - The keywords are close to my targeted.
            - *REAL EXAMPLE* - "Braun Electric Shaver Reviews"
            - Often get vistors from "Electric Shaver Reviews"
            - Began to target "Electric Shaver Reviews" in my backlinks because I saw that I was getting traffic from it.

            3) What ranking is your site's main keyword sitting at?

            - two of the four sites are both sitting at #8. One is sitting at #12. The other bounces between 4 and 20? I think that's google trying to figure out the AA articles and the duplicate content filter is going nuts. This may all change on Monday. Ezine has about 30 articles in stage 3. So that should free up an additional 60 backlinks.

            4) What is the approximate search count for that keyword?

            -Between 1300 and 2600 searches a month depending on the phrase.

            5) Are your Adsense Ads showing up with related products
            to your visitors search query?

            - Yes. At first no, but I corrected that issue through on page content manipulation.
            Yes Please...
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            • Profile picture of the author XFactor
              Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

              Yes Please...
              Ok, now I remember your emails about your niche.

              Honestly speaking, you may just want to move onto another niche.

              Everyone (including me) just get duds now and again. It happens.

              I just told someone today by email the following quote:

              "If I were to give up on every site that did not perform well in the first
              month, I'd be left with only a handful of sites."


              My point is that if you have done all you can, and it's been more than
              4-5 weeks, and your site is ranking at the top but you just aren't seeing
              the traffic, then move on.

              And if you ARE seeing the traffic, then your keyword is just not pulling
              in the targeted audience.

              It happens.

              - John
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Well, in terms of ctr, i found when i tested this theme on 10 of my sites, I had an increase..yes, and increase, of ctr between 15-25% on average. My other themes that I use do well too, but i found that john's template really did well in getting the visitors on site, and then quickly off page redirected through the ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
    Congradulations. I really wish I could help celebrate in your success and would be if it weren't for the miserable tanking of my sites by comparison.
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    • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      Congradulations. I really wish I could help celebrate in your success and would be if it weren't for the miserable tanking of my sites by comparison.
      Hi friend,
      See my post here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post1186906

      I felt similar to you at first, but these things sometimes just take time.

      It's a logical idea - find a good, low-competition keyword and chase after it. Obviously there's more to it than that, but the basic idea is logical and one that clearly is profitable

      I've not had brilliant results from this thus far, but as my post explains, that's because my sites haven't matured/settled yet.

      One of my sites settled/matured today (is now in top spot) and has already earned me £1.57 ($2) today. So yeah, it's taken me 1 month to see results, but the results definitely seem to be worth the wait, based on today's showing of just one matured website.

      Don't be put-off by other people who appear to have more success than you (just blank it out ), since this *does* work - even just build one website, SEO it and all, and then leave it completely for a month. Come back to it after a month and see the results, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised
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      • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
        I read your post before actually. I also had MNF before I ever heard of John or his course. Currently two of my sites are over a month old, so if after 2 months they still generate the amazing 7 to 50 cents .... well than it's time to ditch them. I'll give this whole technique about 10 more sites, after which time I'll know exactly what I think of it. So far.... I really wish the replies to the emails I sent before I began posting here were more detailed as I wouldn't have to make all the information public that I've already made so but that's life. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author lonniewa2
          You need to wait at least one month and if things are not going right for as CTR, rankings instead of giving up look at situation then look at the possible solutions and then make adjustments and see what happens.

          See if your CTR is to low then you know you might need to move your ad or if your rankings are not good build more backlinks. That is all yall.
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          • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
            Originally Posted by lonniewa2 View Post

            See if your CTR is to low then you know you might need to move your ad or if your rankings are not good build more backlinks. That is all yall.
            I don't agree but since I don't have 15 posts, I can't really say why since a picture is needed. Lame 15 post rule....
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Well, all I can say is that it feels good to take action. I have four articles on Ezine waiting to be reviewed and three on Go Articles. Gonna crank out four more tomorrow.

    BTW, John, I sent you a PM, did you get it?
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    20%-30% CTR is acceptable
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  • Profile picture of the author BKenn01
    A question about the course. I am a newbie, if you purchase xfactor system does it help you with how to create an adsense site? I know you can purchase them on ebay, but I have a specific niche I want for my first site.

    Also is the system simple enough a newbie can figure it out? I know work is involved, but some of the IM stuff is way over my head right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      I'm 100% certain that the sites that John's course walk you through creating are nothing like the sites that you can buy on ebay. Most of those are a bunch of PLR crap targeting keywords that you will never, ever rank for.
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    • Profile picture of the author JMartin
      Originally Posted by BKenn01 View Post

      A question about the course. I am a newbie, if you purchase xfactor system does it help you with how to create an adsense site? I know you can purchase them on ebay, but I have a specific niche I want for my first site.

      Also is the system simple enough a newbie can figure it out? I know work is involved, but some of the IM stuff is way over my head right now.
      Without saying too much, the site he shows is beyond simple. If you read his thread, he actually gives you the layout.

      However, let me just say that you don't need to get too caught up in the "template" to start with. Put up anything, get it indexed and ranked. You can mess with templates all day long, but if you don't have the site built, indexed and ranked so traffic is coming in, it won't matter one bit.

      The course isn't going to tell you how to design a site (as in opening up Dreamweaver or whatever and doing the html coding). It will tell you what "HE" does—how a site looks. The actually how to get from nothing to the final look is up to you.

      Honestly, you could probably pay someone $50 or less for a site template like it and just reuse it. There's not much too it.

      In fact, if you use Dreamweaver, there's already a template w/css that has the basic layout used. And of course, there are plenty of others in there.
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      • Profile picture of the author steveaaa
        John, what is the reason for "navigation in the header". Does it help with clicks or does it help with users doing something.

        If it were me, I would hide the navigation at the very bottom of the page (footer). Please clarify.
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      • Profile picture of the author BKenn01
        Originally Posted by JMartin View Post

        Without saying too much, the site he shows is beyond simple. If you read his thread, he actually gives you the layout.

        However, let me just say that you don't need to get too caught up in the "template" to start with. Put up anything, get it indexed and ranked. You can mess with templates all day long, but if you don't have the site built, indexed and ranked so traffic is coming in, it won't matter one bit.

        The course isn't going to tell you how to design a site (as in opening up Dreamweaver or whatever and doing the html coding). It will tell you what "HE" does—how a site looks. The actually how to get from nothing to the final look is up to you.

        Honestly, you could probably pay someone $50 or less for a site template like it and just reuse it. There's not much too it.

        In fact, if you use Dreamweaver, there's already a template w/css that has the basic layout used. And of course, there are plenty of others in there.

        I have Frontpage. I have only used it to edit/alter ebay ad templates. I think I will buy the course and look.
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        • Profile picture of the author JMartin
          Originally Posted by BKenn01 View Post

          I have Frontpage. I have only used it to edit/alter ebay ad templates. I think I will buy the course and look.
          That's fine. I can code the site he uses in Coda (or any text editor) in about 15 minutes. It's a pretty simple layout. Basically, it's a foundation without frills. And I know the format gets clicks, because I've used similar layouts in the past.

          I can't imagine anyone who has built at least 1 site having issues. However, if you do, you could take that screen shot, give it to a starving designer in a country where your cash goes far and get the template on the cheap. Dare I say that over at DigitalPoint, you'll find someone to do it for $10.

          Oh, while I don't use tables, you could do this layout in tables if you have trouble with CSS.

          And of course, don't get hung up on layouts right now. The threads out there have all the basics to get going. First you need to find the idea, build the site, and get it indexed. Then you can start looking at rank and CTR improvements. Without traffic, the template is moot.

          Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author steveaaa
    I like the clicks an ugly template like this gets, but are you not exposing yourself to possible bans... after all a human reviewer (and who knows how they decide and think and if they had a fight with their spouse that day) would look nicely at a graphically pleasing template
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Well, I'm pleased with the action that I'm taking in this new quest. But two questions:

    1. I am doing article marketing the XFactor way (if you don't know it, read the thread). How long will it take on average for the backlinks to show up?

    2. Is there anyway I can get those links to show up faster in Google?
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    • Profile picture of the author steveaaa
      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post


      2. Is there anyway I can get those links to show up faster in Google?
      google does not show all the links, intentionally I think. Go to yahoo.com and type link:domain.com
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    Originally Posted by Philly View Post

    I have a question about the course?...can someone tell me what is a good soc number to go for ?...and when is it to high?
    As explained (in part) towards the middle of page 29, the exact number doesn't matter too much.

    As long as you get a "green light" and your research of the first page competition seems fine, then it should be low-competition enough to go after.
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  • Profile picture of the author XFactor
    Originally Posted by Philly View Post

    I was going over the course again..and it looks to me like if the top site has a PR Of 4 you can still go for it..but it will be harder to get to the top...but I think that a Pr 4 is the toughest John recommends that we compete against ..thats what I get from page 36 @ the bottom anyway.
    Also keep in mind that I have plenty of keywords sitting in the lower
    positions and doing just fine.

    For example, my latest site is fairly new with about 20 pages of content
    and 4 of the larger volume keywords are only ranking in the 6th, 7th &
    8th position - but the clicks are coming in.

    I'm also getting clicks from keywords I didn't even optimize my site for,
    accidental long-tails.

    This is why I always say that the more content on your sites, the better.

    Remember, my approach is Micro-Niche, not Micro-Site.

    They all just start out as small sites and the good earners get top
    priority after they are out there and getting traffic.

    - John
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      John,

      If you don't mind answering one more question (to add to the hundreds you have undoubtedly already answered)...how do you make a 20 page web site around one specific product?

      Take a schick sensitive skin razor for example. Do you have one whole page on what it looks like? Another on what color it is? Still more pages on who makes it, who might need to buy it, where you can get it for cheap, how long it is, how wide it is, the various sized packages it comes in, what countries it's available in, how much it costs and what it cost for each of the last ten years?

      Is that how you fill out 20 pages on a product? By writing up pages on every aspect you can think of about a given product?

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    • Profile picture of the author marketseeker
      Originally Posted by Philly View Post

      I guess know one really knows the answer to this question :confused:
      Here is the answer, there is no answer except give time and work any site can be beaten. How long you want to work at it depends on you. But normally you will be looking for a keyword with very few sites showing the keywords in the title. I simply search my keyword and look to see how many come back with the exact phrase I'm trying to rank for. Then I open the sites and take a look at the competition, most of the time with products, it's just that, a product page. I wouldn't worry about pr that much. In fact I don't even consider pr when selecting my key phrase.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Here's what I have learned so far that hopefully might be of value to this discussion.

        PR rankings, competitive number of sites that show up, local search volume, estimated CPC, and other considerations are just guidelines. They are not hard and fast to where we can determine the profitability of a keyword phrase beforehand by looking at such criteria. At least not entirely.

        I use all these criteria as general barometers to help me pick potentially great keywords recognizing that I may still be off in some of my picks or that I might miss some great keywords that did not fall into my parameters for each of these criteria.

        I use parameters in these criteria to narrow the range of potential keyword phrases down to a more manageable number. For example I won't even consider phrases that have less than $2 estimated CPC unless they have higher traffic which would offset the lower CPC in a higher ranking position.

        For me it's just a numbers game. I look at keyword phrases, plug them into my "formula", and see if they pass muster based on the criteria parameters I use. If they do I continue with a given keyword phrase and start looking at the sight in as much detail as I can and then start building a site around the keyword phrase if no red flags pop up to warn me away.

        There is no magic formula that will ensure that we pick winning keyword phrases or that we will be able to beat a particular site and take it's ranking position.

        At best we are making an educated guess based on criteria that are considered generally important. After that, only creating a site and actually going for it will tell whether our guess has been any good or not.

        Take what I am saying with a great big grain of salt since I am a relative newbie when it comes to Adsense sites and have not yet actually built an Adsense site (I am waiting till I reach 15 potentially great keyword phrases before I start building my first site).

        Just my two cents for what it is worth.

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      • Profile picture of the author JMartin
        Originally Posted by Philly View Post

        Thanks for the reply...but I do feel that the page rank has a lot to do with the site you are trying to beat...and from Johns book he even said in the example that this would be the toughest he would go after..and the top site for that keyword was a Pr 4 ..So what does he mean when wrote that ??...is a Pr 4 site the limit that he has experienced for keywords with the green light ?..That's all I want to know.
        I look for PR 3 and under, because it does factor in to a point. It's also about longevity.

        Let me give you an example. Page one for a KWP has a PR 6 page in the #7 spot getting trumped by PR0s and stuff.

        Why? Most likely it's due to the PR being simply passed down from the home page (it actually is). The page has 0 incoming links and isn't optimized too well.

        However, all that has to happen for my page above it to be beat (potentially) is for that site to "wake up" and start getting that page going and it rises up.

        When I'm choosing a KWP, I don't mind seeing PR4+ on page one, but I don't want to see 7 of them. I'm looking for a nice % of "weakness" so I have greater potential to land there.

        BTW, another thing I do is evaluate the "click-e-ness" of the first few listings. Maybe I know that a #4 - #5 is my best case scenario, but if the first 3 listings aren't click magnets, I should end up with a high probability of getting clicks. Therefore, it's a good KWP to me. It's a guess of course, but I try to think about how the results actually satisfy the query (title and description---juicy or not?).
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        • Profile picture of the author JMartin
          Originally Posted by Philly View Post

          Thanks for the reply..now that you bring up about a Pr3 I remember what another program showed me ,I bought this program about a year ago...I don't think I can say the name..but it taught me how to build e-commerce sites and I was told to never go for a keyword that does not have a least 2 sites in the top 10 that are a Pr 3 or below..maybe that is what I will stick with.
          In the end, for me, it comes down to how many spots I can realistically take down with the level of work and time I wish to devote. If the KWP only has 1 spot, well forget it.

          If you look at enough listings you'll see that Google ranks by lotto selection.

          You'll see one set of listings where PR seems to line up, another where domain age works, another where on-page seo works, another where incoming links work, another where TLD links work, another that makes no sense at all and so on.

          For the easiest time, count how many listings are basically screwing up on all levels. The more the better. And when you put up your site, nail everything you can (on-page, links, etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author steveaaa
    I think the links to the page you are competing with are a lot more important than the links to the overall site. So a site can have 10,000 incoming links and only 2 links to the competing page (think "Amazon"). You can still beat it, since your links to your target page are a lot more.

    So you are focusing on that certain page (hopefully your keyword-laden home page), and slamming it with all you got, and the competing site is not (say they have a million indexed pages). You can beat them at the game.

    If I were wrong, then Amazon would have top listings in ALL categories, and they don't. They have the PR and the incoming links -- but only 1 or 2 links to each product page
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  • Profile picture of the author valiantbearded
    I used the Super Adsense themes with great success for almost all of my Adsense websites I are ever done. I think they are easy to use and you can make a nice header for it if you wish.
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