Question related to SEO impact of site redesign

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Hi everyone,

I work for a company who is going through a site redesign. We rank really well for some high volume very competitive keywords so I'm concerned over every change that is being proposed. Perhaps I am overthinking this but I am of the mind that it is often better to be safe than sorry and I have heard way too many horror stories related to site moves and redesigns negatively impacting organic rank.

One thing I am working on now is the navigation. Our designer wants to simplify the anchor text which currently is very targeted. For example, let's say I sell vacation packages to multiple destinations. Some of the options would be as follows:

Italy honeymoons
Italy bus tours
Italy wine tours

What would be the impact of removing "Italy" from the anchor text in the navigation? I've heard mixed things about this in other forums.

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Your ranking for Italy bus tours will go down some. Your income from that page will go down a lot. You'll have to compensate with extra backlinks.

    Why change something that doesn't need changing? People are only going to type in the domain name anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author strangeasangels
      Oh, I don't want to change anything. But this is the argument the designer is making to "better the user experience"/"increase conversions". I'm the one trying to defend that for SEO reasons, we need to keep the anchor text at least for the high ranking pages. I was pretty sure of this but wanted some reassurance from other SEOs. Things often change in SEO and I thought maybe this was one of those things... apparently not. Thanks for your feedback.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by strangeasangels View Post

        Oh, I don't want to change anything. But this is the argument the designer is making to "better the user experience"/"increase conversions".
        How in the world does that increase conversions? In fact if I am on a travel site and see a generic term "bus tours" I might think that's going to a completely different set of tours than the ones for Italy I am interested in
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        • Profile picture of the author strangeasangels
          His idea was that it would fall under the top level category that would have the destination so it would be like this:

          Italy Vacations
          Bus Tours
          Wine Tours

          etc, etc....

          He's going for a "cleaner" look which I agree that we should move towards but not at the risk of losing our organic rank. the problem is he doesn't really understand those page elements that contribute to SEO. He referred to this as a "white hat" approach to SEO eluding that what we were doing by including destination in anchor text was "black hat" which of course is ludicrous.
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Originally Posted by strangeasangels View Post

            His idea was that it would fall under the top level category that would have the destination so it would be like this:

            Italy Vacations
            Bus Tours
            Wine Tours

            etc, etc....

            He's going for a "cleaner" look which I agree that we should move towards but not at the risk of losing our organic rank. the problem is he doesn't really understand those page elements that contribute to SEO. He referred to this as a "white hat" approach to SEO eluding that what we were doing by including destination in anchor text was "black hat" which of course is ludicrous.
            Hi strangeasangels,

            I understand the thinking behind that approach, however I believe it is a common mistake that creates a huge usability issue for your users.

            The approach to navigation you outlined assumes that everyone arrives at the website's homepage, and reads everything on each subsequent page as they navigate deeper into your website. That assumption does not align with reality.

            Every Page Is A Landing Page

            In the real world people can arrive at any page of your website, and most people arriving for the first time on your website have absolutely no idea about your business, they don't know what you do, what your business offers, they have no idea how your website navigation structure was intended to work, they just see whats on the page that they just landed on.

            A link that simply reads "Wine Tours" doesn't indicate that it is a bus tour, nor does it indicate that it is a wine tour on a bus for visitors on vacation in Italy. That design model induces friction by increasing the cognitive load. Users must work much harder to understand what the page is about and what they can do next, or why they should do it.

            Yeah, it looks pretty, but effectively kills your conversions. Don't fall for the siren call of "prettiness over usability", because it's going to be an ugly ending.


            Sometimes you have to speak to your designer in a language they understand to get your point across. Set aside the SEO argument and explain it in terms of design usability. Here's some credible 3rd party sources that you can refer your web designer to read to explain your position from a design perspective:

            http://jonyablonski.com/2015/design-...ognitive-load/
            https://www.nngroup.com/articles/min...ognitive-load/
            https://www.nngroup.com/articles/writing-links/
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi strangeasangels,

    Web designers often think the only thing that impacts conversions is web design, while SEO specialist tend to think the only thing that impacts traffic are keywords. To a certain degree both are right, yet compromises must be made.

    You need to point out to the web designer that a key principle of design is that "form follows function". It does not matter how great a web design does it's job of conversion, it cannot convert a visitor that never arrives at the page. Keywords are an essential element for any page that you want people to be able to find using a search engine.

    Challenge your web designer to do such a great job on his design that it doesn't matter the the anchor text includes relevant keywords. "form must follow function".

    Many marketers create specialized landing pages that reduce or completely eliminate navigation menus. It does indeed improve conversion rates when you remove distractions, but you will need to find another way to get users to your page. Specialized landing pages are most often used for traffic that come from channels other than Organic search, like display ads or search ads.

    Perhaps you could ask the designer to do 2 variants? Keep your SEO optimized pages navigation links as is, for traffic generation, and create separate landing pages for high conversion rates. There is no reason that you cannot create addition pages for better conversions while keeping the current content with SEO internal link structure in place to maintain search rankings. This is a common approach that is in use by many businesses.
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    • Profile picture of the author hometutor
      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi strangeasangels,



      Challenge your web designer to do such a great job on his design that it doesn't matter the the anchor text includes relevant keywords. "form must follow function".
      You just gave me an idea I use on a sidebar menu and ads on my own website. The website designer could use the title tag if it's a text url which would contain the entire keyword phrase while getting the cleaner appearance he/she seems to want.

      Rick
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

        You just gave me an idea I use on a sidebar menu and ads on my own website. The website designer could use the title tag if it's a text url which would contain the entire keyword phrase while getting the cleaner appearance he/she seems to want.

        Rick
        Hi Rick,

        A title tag does not pass link relevance the same way that anchor text does. You need to retain your anchor text if you hope to retain your search rankings. Anchor text is of paramount importance as a keyword relevancy signal.

        The other concern I have for your project is URL permanency. As WebStudioNW cautioned, don't change your established URLs, if you can help it, and if you do have to change them be sure to setup proper Permanent 301 Redirects so that you don't lose all backlink SEO benefits.


        Many designers are so focused on aesthetics that they don't even consider usability. Tell your designer that highly specific and relevant keywords in anchor text are not just for SEO purposes, they also provide clarity for users. It's a usability issue too.
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        • Profile picture of the author hometutor
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          Hi Rick,

          A title tag does not pass link relevance the same way that anchor text does. You need to retain your anchor text if you hope to retain your search rankings. Anchor text is of paramount importance as a keyword relevancy signal.

          The other concern I have for your project is URL permanency. As WebStudioNW cautioned, don't change your established URLs, if you can help it, and if you do have to change them be sure to setup proper Permanent 301 Redirects so that you don't lose all backlink SEO benefits.


          Many designers are so focused on aesthetics that they don't even consider usability. Tell your designer that highly specific and relevant keywords in anchor text are not just for SEO purposes, they also provide clarity for users. It's a usability issue too.
          Thanks Don,

          I'm not the OP, but your knowledge and time are appreciated. If the website designer winds the argument at least the title tags will get the words in there, but I agree with you about anchor text.

          Rick
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  • Profile picture of the author WebStudioNW
    I totally agree with the other comments about keeping the same internal keyword/link structure.

    Another important thing to consider is make sure all the URL's of the new website match the old page URLs, or at least there are rewrites in place so the old page URL's go to the new pages. (I've seen alot of web devs mess this up big time over the years)

    If havent already got one, get a keyword tracker like proranktracker, you can see day by day which pages are ranking for what keyword and keep an eye on what happens on switchover.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by strangeasangels View Post


    One thing I am working on now is the navigation. Our designer wants to simplify the anchor text which currently is very targeted. For example, let's say I sell vacation packages to multiple destinations. Some of the options would be as follows:

    Italy honeymoons
    Italy bus tours
    Italy wine tours

    What would be the impact of removing "Italy" from the anchor text in the navigation?
    A few weeks ago we had a guy that had a designer really wreck his site SEO wise. It took several hours of working with him to track down all the problems but I was finally able to correct the issues.

    A designer should NOT touch anchor text in links or do anything in regard to site architecture without someone versed in SEO advising him (its a 2-3 hour job or less in some cases). There's really nothing drastically simpler about dropping the word Italy and it drops the targeted relevance.

    Every now and again we have to deal with designers whose primary concerns are web standards and whatever they think is "clean" this month and they entirely miss the point that the site they are working on is about making money for the business not satisfying their tastes.

    This is potentially your client base he might mess with. Ask any business person worth more than their weight would they like simpler anchor text or more customers.

    not a one will chose anything but more customers.

    Now if he gets idea about your URl structure like this other designer I mentioned before did - you could be having to down staff because of lost income.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Lol, web designers can seriously wreck a site (SEO).

    It's like handing your house keys to a home interior designer and you come home to a collapsed roof because the designer thought the place would look better without structural walls.

    Pretty doesn't rank pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author strangeasangels
    Thanks, everyone for your feedback. It basically confirmed what I already knew. Ranking factors change. I suspected this hadn't but wanted to at least get confirmation from other SEOs before I objected to what the designer was proposing. This forum is awesome!
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