Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

by Terry Kyle 1122 replies
OK, here’s the 60-day backlinking experiment that I will be running and documenting in this sub-forum starting on Thursday 17 September 2009.

Hopefully this ambitious public experiment will help many Warriors here and you’ll enjoy the ride!

I don’t remember seeing anything like this on Warrior Forum before so it should be interesting and possibly sort out a few SEO/SEM myths from facts (and maybe prove that different Search Engine strategies can each achieve the same objective).

Starting on Thursday 17 September 2009, I will simultaneously run 4 different SEM (Search Engine Marketing) strategies on 3 different NEW GoArticles in the same niche plus one BRAND NEW website BUT with approximately the same search volume for the 4 different keywords.

This is not really an SEO experiment in the sense that I can’t do much with on-page factors like internal link structure and H2 tags etc as the three articles are examples of so-called ‘parasite hosting’ on GoArticles and the fourth will be relying on WordPress SEO power and Ken Fry’s SB101.

Why GoArticles?

GoArticles are particularly responsive to backlinking but I will choose keywords where there are currently no GoArticles on Page 1 of Google USA (though I live in London, UK) or at least no more than one at the moment.

Each article will target a different keyword within the same niche, be just over 500 words and use the exact keyword phrase 5 times. I will try to have a roughly similar search volume for each keyword (at least 100 searches a day) and a roughly similar degree of difficulty for ranking.

Why 60 days?

In my experience, it takes time to get serious search engine traction with a money site (some Web 2.0 sites generally fade out fast) and this experiment is about building a stable, high, long-term rank for each article.

4 different search engine strategies will be used:

Article 1

Normal backlinking using the backlinks of Angela, PJ and my own WSO (including only IRRELEVANT sites to niche) – 50 backlinks per week for 8 weeks (60 days), minimum PR 5.

Article 2

Backlinking only to RELEVANT sites, blogs and forums (are they of higher value given their topic relevance? Let’s see) – 50 backlinks per week for 8 weeks (60 days), minimum PR 5.

Article 3

SENuke Pro including Link Wheels with all feeder sites backlinked using the backlinks of Angela, PJ and my own. Some articles used in each of the Web 2.0 sites will be spun by Power Article Rewriter to an originality degree of about 40% (I usually hit about 43% judging by SEN). Other articles will be spun by Human Rewriter (which I haven’t used before but Jeremy Kelsall rates highly).

Though I’ve had plenty of success with my own backlinking methods, I have briefly trialled SENuke a couple of times in the past without much success – could have been the proverbial ‘nut behind the wheel’ - but this time I want to use this experiment to fast-track my learning curve on SENuke.

Helpful Warrior Tom Brite is my SENuke wingman he has awesome SE Nuke buyer bonuses by the way so hopefully we can all learn the nuances and insider tricks of SEN Pro during this 60-day experiment.

Wild Card – Test 4

I will also create a brand new site on Thursday, a dot com site with the search phrase in the domain name, install a WP blog as the main site (not in a sub-folder), change the Permalink post names section to be more SEO-friendly, add more RSS sites to ping, install Warrior Jeremy Kelsall’s Content Blender plugin (more on that later), Google Sitemap Generator, All-In-One Seo and Google Analytics.

I will create 60 highly spun versions of a few articles and set up the blog to publish one each day. More importantly, one inner page post URL (the first post) will be added to Warrior Ken Fry’s SB101 WSO which relies solely on social bookmarking backlinks. This site will get no other juice except from the daily posting of a seemingly original article (with cloaked aff links at top and bottom like the GoArticles), WP’s SEO-friendliness and SB101.

And...

Each GoArticle will have two cloaked affiliate links in the same call to action sentence, using offto dot net, one at the top of the article (permitted in GA) and one in the Bio Box.

Each article will direct to the same Clickbank product (each with a different Tracking ID), a product with a respectable gravity of roughly 100+ (probably) and each keyword should show as anything from “Easy” to “Doable” in SE Nuke and have a green or yellow SOC (Strength of Competition) result in Micro Niche Finder.

I’ll post screen grabs of these when I choose them. I will also choose a niche with universal relevance across the world – that rules out reverse phone lookup, dammit!

A new ClickBank account will be created for this experiment.

My secondary goal at the end of the 60 days (approximately 17 November 2009) is to sell, one, some, or all of the article accounts and the website here on Warrior Forum and/or at Flippa.

Value estimations on site flipping can be volatile but I will look to sell each article account for a minimum of 10x monthly revenue e.g. if one of the GoArticles is averaging $100 a day and $3000 a month, I will TRY to get $30,000 for it but let’s see what happens. That could be too ambitious.

I know that a GoArticle is not as attractive to a buyer as a standalone website and there are always fears about GA changing their rules (on affiliate links, for example) or Google suddenly slapping them (as they have done with Squidoo in the past) so my valuation is lower than the 12-24x monthly profit ballpark with normal websites.

Time will tell there.

However, website buyers are ultimately attracted to revenue, be it from a popular YouTube video or any other form of web property so hopefully that stage in this experiment will prove as interesting to you (and me) as the SEM stage.

By the way, I have absolutely no interest in promoting one method over another and am only interested in what WORKS in this ‘race’ between the 3 articles and the new website.

I will not be favoring any one approach and will be doing all four simultaneously over the 60 days with my outsourcer backlinking Article 1 (IRRELEVANT sites), me backlinking RELEVANT sites for Article 2, SENuke doing the ‘heavy lifting’ on Article 3 and SB101 carrying the hopes of a generation for the brand new website.

I make no income predictions whatsoever but let’s see how the race goes.

As the experiment unfolds, I will post screen grabs of GA article views, ClickBank hop stats, commissions, Analytics stats etc.

Hopefully 200 Warriors won’t jump all over these keywords when the experiment begins which would artificially distort the results of this test.

Being able to show the keywords, site, articles and progress is what will make the whole experiment worthwhile.

So, one niche, three GoArticles, one brand new site and 4 different SEM strategies.

Let the race begin and feel free to chime in with your questions or suggestions (parameters can be modified before the start) as we go…

More details soon as we get closer to the kick-off.

Stay tuned…

BTW, if you've just dropped by for the first time and feel like this thread is of value to you, don't forget to hit the "Thanks" button below on the right!
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Bogart
    Looking forward to the results...
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    • Profile picture of the author CalGolden
      Ambitious undertaking, Terry. Thanks for sharing this with the gang.

      got this thread plugged into my tivo. Looks like it's goanna be a thrilling ride.






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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Kenny
        I'll be following this thread closely.

        Nice to see threads like this instead of the usual general questions.

        Keep it up
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    This will definitely be interesting Terry and help a LOT of folks along the way. Looking forward to following along!
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  • Profile picture of the author Yuds
    Very interested to see how this turns out.

    Thanks so much for doing this!
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    Brilliant thread, i will be following along, this will definitley help many Warriors.
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    I'm really looking forward to your results as a subscriber to Angela and Pauls service.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    I think everyone here will be interested in the results!

    Me and Terry have been bouncing ideas off each other and perfecting this for the past week before he goes off and does all the hard work and testing for you all!

    Hoping to see some very definite differences in results to show which one is the best winner out of all of them.

    Good luck Terry.

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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    Hi Terry,

    Unfortunately these types of threads get deleted. Real shame in my opinion. Any time anyone even slightly refers to a case study and *poof* thread deleted.

    Hope this thread survives.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
    OMG I've been waiting for this thread my entire IM career.
    Can't wait to see the results!!
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    I'll make sure to follow this thread! I'd really like to know the result and I have no doubts that you will stay consistent until the end. Good luck!
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    Looking for the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Terry, I think you cannot expect this experiment to turn out well if it is run publicly during the 60 days that count. Everyone who wants to blog about the experiment will be distorting the results by including links. The links from blogs are not going to be worth the same and not going to be distributed evenly, so you lose control over the experiment.

    That, and of course also the links from WF itself.
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    I will subscribe to this thread and learn from your results. good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
    This looks to be a really interesting experiment. I'll be checking back often to see how it goes. However, I would suggest that you keep the domain, the niche, and the article titles under your hat until after the 60 days are over. If you don't, your results are going to be skewed. Plus, I've seen too many times in various private forums that when someone is doing a case study, that all kinds of people assume that it is going to be super profitable, so they jump in as well. If you want a fair test, you don't need those headaches to account for.
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    i will be eagerly waiting for the results... do keep us posted about the developments
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr_Julian_S
    Hi Terry and thanks for the wonderful tip. I would really like to give your suggestion a try and even excited to see the results then. Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author SaSeoPete
    Hey Terry, good on ya definitely want to see the results.

    May I make a suggestion? Maybe do not give the niche away until the end. I bet you are going to get 100's of people jumping on the gravy train here. Just a thought
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  • Profile picture of the author saintsguy
    Like everyone else I will be following this and definitely hope this thread is not deleted. It will be interesting to see how successful an IM'er can be using GoArticles. Best of luck, Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Nice Idea Terry. You have another follower here.

    Subscribed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
      Good luck with your ambitious experiment - I look forward to the results, maybe all Warriors can learn something from this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      My thinking at the moment is that without revealing the articles, site and keywords, this experiment loses a lot of interest.

      What I'll do is provide some other attractive keywords in the chosen niche for the 'keyword vultures' to attack which hopefully will draw some of them off.

      OK, here's my first screw-up in preparation for this experiment and exactly why this whole process is of value to everyone following along.

      I was experimenting with Human Rewriter and just got back my first rewritten article (in under 24 hours by using the Express option) and wanted my article to have plenty of spin syntax options so that it would be good for 20-30 semi-original articles. This was for an article in an unrelated niche as a test.

      When I set up the article though, I only asked for one rewrite but "Word Spins Per Sentence: 3" and "Spin Options Per Word: 2". These last 2 settings are the maximum you can request.

      The produced spun article needed a little correction here and there which is fine but basically - unless I'm doing something wrong - I only have 2 articles: my original and the single rewritten one. Not quite what I had in mind.

      In short, if you are using this service, you MUST choose 4 or 5 rewrites when you FIRST submit the article for spinning BUT keep in mind that this will 4-5x the price so you could be looking at $20-$30 for an article that has a 30-spin 'lifespan'.




      That's OK as it saves a lot of time at my end and a buck an article is hard to complain about.

      Also note that at Human Rewriter, without the express option ("Rush My Order" for 1.25 'credits'), article turnaround time is presently 48-72 hours.

      A lot of IM is trial-and-error and my little errors with new services and programs (like this) in my experiment should mean that you won't need to.

      If Jeremy Kelsall (or another Warrior experienced with HR) reads this and thinks the above is incorrect, I'd love to be advised otherwise Jeremy (he uses this service a lot)...
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      • Profile picture of the author jplanigan
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        I was experimenting with Human Rewriter and just got back my first rewritten article (in under 24 hours by using the Express option) and wanted my article to have plenty of spin syntax options so that it would be good for 20-30 semi-original articles. This was for an article in an unrelated niche as a test.

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        In short, if you are using this service, you MUST choose 4 or 5 rewrites when you FIRST submit the article for spinning BUT keep in mind that this will 4-5x the price so you could be looking at $20-$30 for an article that has a 30-spin 'lifespan'.



        Why not use humanspinner.com if you are looking for spun articles? At $0.11 per sentence it is sure to be much cheaper. I haven't used them yet, but I have heard good things about both quality and speed.

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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    When I set up the article though, I only asked for one rewrite but "Word Spins Per Sentence: 3" and "Spin Options Per Word: 2". These last 2 settings are the maximum you can request.
    I think your writers might have forgotten to do the spin syntax parts.

    What you should have gotten (If I am reading this right) is 1 new sentence for each of your originals, but each sentence would have had 3 words spun for 2 different options.

    Kind of like this:

    The {quick|fast} brown fox {jumped|leaped} over the lazy {canine|dog}.

    To me, that would make for a crapload of different articles, wouldn't it? Each sentence would have 8 different permeations, wouldn't it? Or am I thinking wrong?

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Latest update:

      Thanks for the positive feedback, firstly.

      Apologies to Human Rewriter as my second and third test articles (for other sites of mine) came back with spun syntax OK - setting was one rewrite with the maximum number of word spins per sentence and maximum number of spins per word (about $6 for a 500 word article); maybe I missed changing those on the very first article

      BUT...

      when I pasted these two spun articles into SENuke and checked their uniqueness level under the "Social Network/Article Directory Nuke" module, the two spun articles achieved scores of only 10% and 15% unique. 20% is a minimum and 30% preferred.

      HR are now showing a 3-6 day backlog so I will look at Human Spinner as an alternative (good to try both of course). Later in the test I will feed in some HR-spun content for my SENuke Linkwheels for Article 3 (2 rewrites per article - about $12 per spun article).

      That means that I will spin articles myself in Power Article Rewriter as I have pretty much settled on my niche and keywords for Thursday's launch...
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      • Profile picture of the author Unitedmarketing
        I found Power Article Rewriter very helpful! Especially with the nested variables. Thanks for mentioning it. Do you have a list of the the article submission sites you use?

        I admire your free giving of this information to inform those who eagerly seek this info. Great leadership! Thanks so much for what you do here and your backlinking forum.
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    This one is very exciting.
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    This sounds interesting, i am going to follow this thread!
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    Love to hear the results
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Looking forward to it Terry!

    You have lots of people waiting to see your results!

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      DAY 1 - PART 1

      OK, let's get rocking and rolling!

      Even though Keyword research isn't the main part of this experiment, I still wanted to document my process.

      In short, I wanted to target a niche that I have never worked in before (like newbies), involves a degree of emotional desperation on the part of potential buyers (instead of a hobby like kite flying or RC cars - actually those RC car guys are pretty fanatical!) and wasn't in 'make money online'.

      For the Keyword research part of my experiment, I've bought Keyword Elite 2.0, used Micro Niche Finder (which I've had for a long time) and SENuke (which I've trialled for 7 days only in the past but am using 'properly' now with Tom Brite's assistance).

      I am also in Jeremy Kelsall and Donald Van Fossen's SEO Bootcamp (which I do recommend) as I'm always hungry for new tactics to expand my IM repertoire.

      Obviously I'm also using my own accumulated IM knowledge from the last year and a half or so.

      Now, in order to keep the experiment as 'pure' as possible, I'm going to reveal everything I'm doing here EXCEPT the keywords I'm targeting and the articles and site I've created (at least not until further on in the experiment).

      As the experiment unfolds, I will reveal all of these as I think it is necessary for the enjoyment of participation.

      Also, my own view towards mistakes, failures and screw-ups as we proceed is that they're great as I can continue to fine-tune my IM strategy and not make those same errors again - trial and error in part.

      Now, today the experiment has begun so I've been doing my specific keyword research, using all of the above tools and finding out a few interesting things which I'll share in a moment.

      Firstly though, here are the tables of a bunch of keywords from which I will shortly choose my final 4 (for the 3 GoArticles and one new site).

      The column on USA Exact Monthly Search Volume is straight out of Google's Keyword Tool BUT underneath that, I've included the Keyword Elite monthly search estimate which usually is VERY different (even though it is presumably based on Google results).

      In comparison, Micro Niche Finder (MNF) delivers exactly the same search volume as Google's Keyword Tool.

      In the comparison table, I have also included SENuke's estimate of whether ranking is achievable for a specific Keyword.

      SOC stands for Strength of Competition and each program makes a guess about how hard it is to rank for a Keyword - the lower the number the better and green means go, amber means treat with doubt (a bit hard to rank) and red means forget it, too hard.

      Later in the experiment, I will publish the unblurred table here.

      However, in the next post here below, I will outline the dangers of relying on all this information and what else I take into account when targeting a niche.

      Oh and another nice tip I accidentally picked up in the SEO Bootcamp of Jeremy and Don (which I don't think they'll mind me sharing as they didn't make a big deal of it) is that when you are using Yahoo Site Explorer to check a site's backlinks, do it with the SEO Quake for Firefox plugin enabled so that you can see the PR and other details about sites linking to the one you are analysing e.g.


      Here are my initial Keyword research tables which I will discuss in more detail in the next post below:





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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        DAY 1 - PART 2

        So, as you saw in the previous post, obviously the results from these tools differ in the search volumes predicted (by a huge degree in some cases!) and in the degree of difficulty.

        My own shortcut way to make the final choice is to look at the top 3 sites for a Keyword in Google:

        [1] are there any Web 2.0 or article directory pages sites there e.g. Squidoo, Buzzle, EZA or GoArticles etc;

        [2] how many backlinks are there to those Web 2.0/article directory pages (Google generally ranks pages not sites)?

        [3] in the absence of those types of sites in the top 3 (which is usually a big green light for me if they ARE there), how strong is the #1 site in terms of backlinks (to the page, not the site) and authority (e.g. is it a Wikipedia page) which could be harder to budge.

        I have just started to look at the inanchor search operator but the numbers usually seem pretty high for these so I'll stick to the above measures until I get better at that inanchor approach.

        There's a good WSO: 1000 very low inanchor Keywords with reasonable search volume!

        As the above suggests, typically I will IGNORE:

        [1] "in quotes" 'competing sites' numbers (the top 3 or 5 are your true competition)

        [2] SOC estimates by automated programs (as they don't normally take backlinks into account though Keyword Elite might, I need to look into that more).

        Search terms with 4 or more words are usually a less competitive place to start though occasionally you may get a 3-word term that isn't too competitive.

        OK, so I've got my 4 terms from the comparison tables on the previous post:

        Keyword #1


        Keyword #5


        Keyword #11


        I'm pretty happy with the first three Keywords in terms of seemingly beatable competition but the 4th is less satisfactory. Nonetheless, I'm going with #12 which is the one I'll let SB101 loose on with the new website.

        And in order to write my articles (3 for GA under different new account names and one for the new WP blog website), I am going to read 5 or 6 articles in my target niche on EZA and make notes as I go.

        That's four x 500 word articles with the Keyword in each 5 times.

        Written today.

        As I complete each article, I will add it to GA. In my experience, GA has a new article up and running in 24 hours or less. It seems automated and pretty quick so I assume that GA doesn't use human moderators like EZA.

        I will also create a new account at Clickbank now and give each article a unique tracking idea:

        Article 1 (Angela/PJ/My links only - IRRELEVANT sites only) Tracking Code: ART1

        Article 2 (Angela/PJ/My links only - RELEVANT sites only) Tracking Code: ART2

        Article 3 (SENuke Linkwheels with wheel sites backlinked using Angela/PJ/My links) Tracking Code: ART3

        I cannot create SENuke linkwheels pointing to my money site GA until it has been approved and given its own URL by GoArticles i.e tomorrow (for which I will need a spun version of this article which I will do using Power Article Rewriter though any spinning program will do)

        Article 4 (New website/WP blog/SB101 program from WF WSO) Tracking Code: ART4

        All links will be cloaked using offto dot net.

        Realistically, Test 4, the new website being powered by SB101, probably won't be up and running until very late tonight or tomorrow morning but that slight time lag shouldn't really make much difference over the 60 days of this test.

        If one (or more) of these models is successful financially, you only need to replicate the steps that I detail in this thread to hopefully enjoy similar results.

        Back to work now...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Lots of work there Terry and nice to see you examining other points too which is cool!

    Tom Brite
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    Good luck with the experiment. It will be fun to watch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Terry:

    I am amazed with the amount of work and detail you're going through.

    Jesus!!! This is getting a precious thread.
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    Guess I'll be reading this thread to see how it turns out for you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      DAY 2 UPDATE:

      Thanks for the support!

      OK, so 2 of my 3 GoArticles are live but I'm still waiting on the third (the first were up in under 12 hours).

      I also set up the site for Test 4 using namecheap and my hostgator reseller account.

      The .com domain was of course already taken so I added a '2' at the end e.g mydomain2.com just like you have to do with a new email address sometimes.

      There are no hyphens/dashes in the domain, just one long word string.

      I set up WP on the site, customised settings, theme, plugins, permalinks etc and will post screen grabs of all that tomorrow.

      I posted my new article tailored for that 4th keyword to my new WP blog (using the free Direct Response theme), added the keywords from all 4 test versions here as category and tag names.

      I then 'enrolled' in Warrior Ken Fry's Social Bookmarking 101 program with the inner page post url and I am now waiting to find out if that site/page has been approved to go live in the system. I'll let you know on that.

      As the SENuke target article (#3 if you remember) is live, I can start on my link wheel for that tomorrow (Saturday) as soon as my maximum variation article is back from Human Rewriter (all $35 of it) - hopefully my SENuke gunslinger partner Tom Brite won't be out surfing then!

      OK, good day's work today - loads of screen grabs up tomorrow and more good fun then, gotta go to Salsa now...
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        Oh and if you think this thread is valuable, why not Rate This Thread highly up above in the WF toolbar?
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        • Profile picture of the author James Pateman
          Hi Terry, go for it mate...outstanding.

          I'm all in favor of sorting out the myths from the facts through testing like this. Good-on-ya for putting in the effort for the benefit of us all.

          regards,
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          • Profile picture of the author AJsVRE
            Outstanding thread, I'll definitely be following this! Not only are you putting a lot of ACTION into this, but you're also putting a lot of effort into sharing everything here, that's sure to win you a lot of appreciation! Also, curious as to how you're setting up your google alerts?
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          I'm so excited about the results... I'll just follow on this post..
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          • Profile picture of the author XRay
            Terry,

            This is an excellent thread! I love the detail you're giving here. I've subscribed to this thread so I can keep up with your progress. Wishing you much success with this project.

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            • Profile picture of the author dwrglobal
              I'll absolutely keep an eye on this thread.. Way to go Terry..
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              • Profile picture of the author netstarmobile
                This is very educational. As someone new to this whole scene, I find this info extremely useful. I'm not sure I fully understand everything Terry is doing, but as the experiment continues, I intend to educate myself with as much research as possible. I subscribed to this thread and I'm learning some valuable things from it, so THANK YOU, Terry for the education and I'll be watching with great interest as the experiment continues.
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                • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                  Thursday Night 1 October Update:

                  Thanks for all the support above - don't forget to click on the "Thanks" button on the bottom right of this post if you find my posts/thread valuable!

                  OK, before I answer a few questions, I wanted to revisit the whole converting an HTML or other type of page that DOESN'T have an RSS feed into one.

                  If you recall, I had recommended WebDev's tool BUT their RSS feeds were NOT validating. Whoops!

                  BUT, I have found one and checked it out (couldn't get Pete Drew's to work but thanks for the tip!). The benefit of doing this is to give your pages that don't come with their own feed, an RSS feed that you can hit:

                  FeedAgg
                  FeedAge
                  FeedBurner
                  Autopinger
                  Pingomatic
                  MillionRSS
                  and
                  RSSBot

                  e.g. you might have GoArticles, Amazon pages, a static HTML site of your own, an RSS-feedless Web 2.0 property (not many but still some) etc and want to give it extra exposure and link juice through an RSS blitz.

                  The site to visit is Feedage.com - Convert HTML 2 RSS

                  and here are the steps:

                  Step 1:


                  Step 2:


                  Step 3:


                  Step 4:


                  Step 5:


                  Blast it out to the RSS services I mentioned above. In case you couldn't read that RSS Validator URL (there are plenty of 'em out there), its: W3C Feed Validation Service, for Atom and RSS

                  Right, now for some questions:

                  Originally Posted by purelight View Post

                  To be honest Terry, even though I recently bought your WSO I don't know a heck of a lot and a bit of what your doing is just going over my head. I would be very interested in the CB process if it doesn't slow the thread down too much with basics for everyone else.
                  Will do. The CB process was pretty painless and only took a few days. If you have specific questions purelight, fire them in! I've tried to document each step but occasionally I might have missed something so jump in and ask - it's the only way to learn!

                  Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

                  GoArticles is good for SERP/SEO purposes. But GoArticles doesn't allow traffic statistic. If you put an affiliate link into the resource box of an article, how do you find out traffic statistic through the GoArticles?
                  Hi H. GoArticles WILL give raw view counts so I rely on my tracking IDs within the articles themselves to give me info in ClickBanks Analytics. If you look back at my previous posts, you'll see how CB analytics is telling me where the hops are coming from and which ones convert. That's why it's really worth the trouble of setting up those unique CB tracking IDs e.g.

                  Link at top of Article 1 - CB tracking code: 1A

                  Link within Article 1 - CB tracking code 1B

                  Link in Bottom Bio Box Article 1 - CB tracking code 1c

                  If you want me to do screen grabs of setting up ClickBank tracking codes and cloaking them in offto.net, let me know.

                  With my Article 3 Linkwheel 'spoke' sites, I am using the tracking code LWHEEL but I really should have created a unique code for each Web 2.0 site (I'll try to!) but with the upgraded SENuke, there are 34 ring sites feeding my money site so it's more work. Worth it though. BTW, I'm still setting that up as I want my Linkwheel 'structural integrity' to be perfect.

                  Originally Posted by James Lancaster View Post

                  I have some questions:
                  How I should build my backlinks? I have no problems building almost unlimited amount of backlinks from various high profile sites and random sites as well, however, some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more. The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly. Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

                  Also what about submitting batches of backlinks to profile sites by copy-paste method? Won't google catch up that those are the same and same backlinks with no changes?

                  Thank you for your answers
                  Hi James. You can either build backlinks yourself following Angela/PJs/my WSO picture guide OR outsource them via a service like elance.com (the only one I've ever used and very happy with it). I pay $25 per 50 profile backlinks with a bio paragraph and photo uploaded and one of my WSO buyers told me that he was quoted $175 for building 750 links! Not bad.

                  some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more

                  GoArticles - like any site - need to be backlinked until you reach your desired position. A lot depends on the strength of competition above your GA. That's where finding a keyword with weak competition is very important e.g you might be able to beat a Wikipedia page with 8,000 backlinks but it will take a very loooooong time.

                  Here's one thing I know for sure about the relationship between backlinking and Google ranking: it's often a frustratingly inconsistent progression to the top. Nothing happens - then big movement - then a plateau - little movement - then high rankings etc. It's like you have to reach tipping points for further progress. In short James, just keep at it.

                  The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly

                  Indexing and ranking are two separate but connected things. If you haven't been indexed, you can't rank in the SERPs. The indexing is like getting listed in the phone book. If a page or GoArticle of yours hasn't been indexed, hit it with all of the bookmarklets in an earlier post of mine on this thread, make RSS feeds as per this post and hammer them out there, create a quick powerpoint video and blast it through tubemogul with your links etc.

                  Just keep bookmarking though and don't give up (or keep your elance outsourcer going!). One site of mine refused to even be seen in the top 200 of Google results for 3 months but I kept at it. Then one day it was at #12, then #5 and soon after #1, knocking out some heavyweights in the process. If you have a portfolio of sites that you are developing backlink-wise, you'll be less frustrated with the slow progress or no progress of some of them.

                  Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

                  The wisdom is to build progressively but I haven't tested that conclusively. What I can tell you is that if you completely stop building backlinks for a site, it will probably start drifting downwards (unless it has some amazing backlinks!). I'm seeing that right now on some of my sites that I haven't backlinked for a while because I'm doing stuff on this experiment - actually the real problem is that I have too many bloody sites in my portfolio dammit!

                  Google may not acknowledge a site's backlinks very fast (or ever!) but they do seem to be 'seen'. Bottom line though James is that if any of these looked suspicious to Google and your site was hammered, every shonky hustler on the net would be using those tactics against their rivals!

                  Just keep going at it and you will make progress! Hope that helps and ask, ask, ask James if you need more clarification. I will be doing screen grabs of an elance outsourcing job soon. Promise.

                  If I missed anyone, please fire your question in again.

                  We're 2 weeks into the 8 weeks and, according to GoogleGlobal, Article 1 is currently at #5 on Google USA.

                  We have 32 hops at the moment with no sales but it's all in motion...

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                  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
                    Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


                    OK, before I answer a few questions, I wanted to revisit the whole converting an HTML or other type of page that DOESN'T have an RSS feed into one.

                    If you recall, I had recommended WebDev's tool BUT their RSS feeds were NOT validating. Whoops!

                    BUT, I have found one and checked it out (couldn't get Pete Drew's to work but thanks for the tip!). The benefit of doing this is to give your pages that don't come with their own feed, an RSS feed that you can hit:

                    FeedAgg
                    FeedAge
                    FeedBurner
                    Autopinger
                    Pingomatic
                    MillionRSS
                    and
                    RSSBot

                    e.g. you might have GoArticles, Amazon pages, a static HTML site of your own, an RSS-feedless Web 2.0 property (not many but still some) etc and want to give it extra exposure and link juice through an RSS blitz.

                    The site to visit is Feedage.com - Convert HTML 2 RSS

                    and here are the steps:

                    Step 1:


                    Step 2:


                    Step 3:


                    Step 4:


                    Step 5:


                    Blast it out to the RSS services I mentioned above. In case you couldn't read that RSS Validator URL (there are plenty of 'em out there), its: W3C Feed Validation Service, for Atom and RSS
                    Thanks for pointing out this useful service.
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          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          Oh and if you think this thread is valuable, why not Rate This Thread highly up above in the WF toolbar?
          I just read this entire post in one sitting and now I have a headache. I think I will have to read it many times to get a grasp on the entire scope of your project.

          WR newbie here so I have to ask a question. Whats SB101?

          Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author Rendix
    Terry,

    One comparison I would like to see at the end of your analysis is a comparison between googles exact traffic projection and your actual incoming traffic. Also the corresponding SERPS placement for those sites.

    Best of luck to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Excellent idea Rendix and I know some Warriors run a 24 hour Adwords test on impressions to try to get a true picture of traffic given the apparent unreliability of the usual reporting tools.

      In my setup for this experiment, the difference in reported numbers in both the Google Keyword Tool and Keyword Elite was crazy on some terms (both exact match)!
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        OK, 3rd article live on GA now so I can move on with the 'getting indexed' stage - AFTER I entertain some visitors for lunch, dammit!

        Oh and I'll do all the screen grabs of my WP setup later today too...
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Final update for the day - RSS fed all the sites as per the above method and - thanks to the brilliant Google Alerts - the first RSS service to show up with one of the new articles was...(drum roll)

          MillionRSS (from RSSBot)

          Weird huh?

          However, even though the Googlebots have 'seen' my feed there, none of the 4 test sites has been indexed yet; this can easily be checked by putting the whole URL into a Google search.

          If you get this message:

          "Your search - http://www.mydomain dot com - did not match any documents.

          Suggestions:

          Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
          Try different keywords.
          Try more general keywords."

          You ain't been indexed yet.

          I had also ordered an article rewrite with Human Rewriter (with all of the settings turned up to 11 for Spinal Tap fans) for the SENuke attack on Article 3.

          With spinner text export on 4 out of the 5 rewrites finished (with 3 word spins per sentence and 2 spin options per word - the most you can request), the spinner copy delivered a 49% originality for 16 articles according to SENuke's uniqueness test. That sounds nice for a link wheel!

          When I have the version with 5 rewrites, I can hit my first link wheel for Article 3.

          From Monday on, I'll be doing the planned backlinking on Article 1 (IRRELEVANT backlinks only, minimum PR5) and Article 2 (RELEVANT backlinks only, minimum PR5) and hopefully they'll all be backlinked by then.

          I've been light on detail today as Saturday's a bit crazy around our place with people dropping by etc etc but tomorrow it will be back to details and plenty of screen grab pics...
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      • Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Excellent idea Rendix and I know some Warriors run a 24 hour Adwords test on impressions to try to get a true picture of traffic given the apparent unreliability of the usual reporting tools.

        In my setup for this experiment, the difference in reported numbers in both the Google Keyword Tool and Keyword Elite was crazy on some terms (both exact match)!
        The problem with the 24 hr test is that unless Google has ramped your account way up, the chances of your ad showing up on each search for the term is very small. Go to Google, type in a phrase, watch the ads closely, then hit refresh a few times and watch how things change. Some people show up some of the time, some rarely, and others nearly all the time.

        I don't see how you could guarantee a proper estimation using that method...
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        • Profile picture of the author vicone
          This looks like a very interesting study. It's a pity that other back linking services couldn't be included for comparison (such as Link Juicer) but I know that you've got to draw the line somewhere or it would become too unwieldy.

          I'll keep an eye on your progress and look forward to you reports.

          Ivan
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Tuesday 29 September Update:

            OK, let me answer some posts first:

            Originally Posted by GIahGroup View Post

            I am in the process of doing the something similar but using fresh just reg'd domains, only I am using similar / comparitive tools.

            My tools being used are:

            1. Senuke
            2. Thelinkjuicer
            3. Linking loophole by P Drew
            4. Video marketing using Traffic Geyser

            I'm targeting very competive terms too (88,000,000 broad match & 22k searches / mth on G with exact match) its huge competition but I guess too many people traget smaller niches so I want the sites to rank well all that ecommerce shopping at Christmas.

            My market is Nintendo Wii's, which is hot but very competitive so I appreciate your steps being outlined here which hopefully might save me some time.
            Sounds like a powerful combo GIG!

            Why not add your results in here too? For newbies following here, GIGs tools do cost a bit (which is fine if you're getting the income) e.g.

            I think the rates are: SEN lite $67 a month, SEN Pro (the one being used for this experiment) $127 a month, Linkjuicer $37 a month (I think), fellow Australian Pete Drew's Linking Loophole $X a month (I have no idea on that one, someone else can post how much it is) and I think that Traffic Geyser is $100+ a month. It can add up but if you're getting results, it's pennies, relatively speaking.

            The other thing GIG is to monitor which one is the most effective. If they are all running at the same time, it can be tricky to identify the most effective. Would love to see your method and thinking posted here!

            Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

            I'm sorta feeling left out Terry

            You mention every other backlinking appoeach BUT ....
            If it's any consolation Steve, you are aff linked in my WSO!

            Originally Posted by disi View Post

            This one will be sold for $10
            All free, free, free here Disi! I'll get my reward in heaven (possibly).

            Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

            Are you also tracking the amount of traffic each site / article is receiving as well? I don't deal with goarticles so I'm not even sure if you can do that.

            Aside from the obvious goals of search engine rank and income, I'm curious how the different methods work when it comes to raw traffic. If wordpress has any benefits over a single page article since it has a larger footprint of content that can be found through your index page, archive pages and actual post page.
            Great questions Jason and some of the ones that this experiment seeks to answer. This morning I had accumulated a total of 36 "Requests" (GoArticles term for views I believe) for Articles 1 and 3 (weird that they had the same number) while #2 had 19 Views. That's all traffic INSIDE GA though Article 1 and 2 are currently sitting around position #13 or #14 on page 2 of Google for their respective terms.

            Here's the latest Hops-Tracking ID Report from Clickbank:


            Originally Posted by JonathanBoettcher View Post

            The problem with the 24 hr test is that unless Google has ramped your account way up, the chances of your ad showing up on each search for the term is very small. Go to Google, type in a phrase, watch the ads closely, then hit refresh a few times and watch how things change. Some people show up some of the time, some rarely, and others nearly all the time.

            I don't see how you could guarantee a proper estimation using that method...
            Spot on Jonathan - you are dead right. I have never used this method myself and in the past I blew loads of money on PPC and they do rotate the ads with each Refresh/Reload. Would love to hear Jeremy Kelsall's/Don's thoughts here on it!

            Let me also just quickly share one good PPC tip I used to use (I am on an all organic Google diet these days!): In AdWords, in theory, you can't use phrases like 'Click Here' Right? Well in fact you CAN add this and other calls to action in one spot: after a forward slash on your display URL (as long as your display URL matches the link URL, it is fine) and Google doesn't care if you don't have a sub-folder called that e.g. Display URL mydomain dot com/ClickHere e.g. mydomain dot com/BuyNow (it has to be all joined up with no spaces but capitals make the differentiation between words easy). Hope that helps ya!

            Back to Business here:

            Given the obvious inaccuracy of search volume estimation tools (check out the number of "I'm #1 on Google but only get 3 visitors a day when it should be 150" threads on WF), my own imperfect approach is to overestimate i.e. go after a higher number in the search estimators (though I haven't done that in this experiment to be honest) than you think you will get.

            Yes that does mean that many terms will be more competitive but doing the work to get ranking at #1 and then finding little traffic would be annoying to say the least.

            Originally Posted by vicone View Post

            This looks like a very interesting study. It's a pity that other back linking services couldn't be included for comparison (such as Link Juicer) but I know that you've got to draw the line somewhere or it would become too unwieldy.

            I'll keep an eye on your progress and look forward to you reports.

            Ivan
            There will be a few surprises by the end of this experiment Ivan so stay tuned...

            Other Important Developments:

            1. Despite going other through the same 'index me Google!" process as Articles 1 and 2 (remember, they're on Page 2 of Google for their respective terms now sitting around position 13-14), Article 3 still ain't backlinked.

            2. I did a big bunch of screen grabs on creating RSS feeds for any page on the Web with this service

            WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner

            BUT

            the sample link failed RSS validation on several services! In short, do NOT use this service without validating your created feed. I will look around for other sites that offer this service and post screen grabs of the setup there.

            3. The new website (Test 4) is indexed but not appearing in SERPs yet. GoArticles has natural ranking power so let's see how SB101 is faring in a few weeks when that site has loads of social bookmark backlinks.

            4. I get a lot of emails about outsourcing so I will set up a small job on elance later in the week and screen-grab document each step. It's pretty straightforward and elance is well run but using any new service for the first time can be slightly nervy for a newbie.

            Personally, I regard outsourcing as an ESSENTIAL practice in an IM business. When I began, I stupidly resisted it for a while but was blown away by the low prices and speed when I did get into it!

            For the record, I pay US$25 per 50 backlinked profiles created with photo upload (I provide the photo), bio paragraph copied and pasted in (that I provide) and email verification/validation done by them. I do this through an outsourcer on elance.com.

            I go to that extra trouble to give my profile (hopefully) the appearance of legitimacy and therefore the backlink/s a better chance of not being deleted by a vigilant moderator/webmaster.

            5. I have just had my first digital product approved by ClickBank for sale through them. In theory, I am now a ClickBank vendor and not 'just' an affiliate. It's the publicly priced version of my WSO in my sig file. It should all be live in a few days.

            The reason I mention this here is not just a shameless call for affiliate partners but also if you are considering joining CB as a vendor and want to know how it's done, I can document my process as a CB vendor too in this thread if there is interest here to do so.

            In your own IM journey, developing your own products is pretty important to long term profitability - in my humble opinion - so getting more info from this thread about being a CB vendor could be useful to you too.

            Let me know what you think...

            6. I got this email from SENuke today so more delays there (I will extend the experiment if necessary):

            Hi terry,

            As you might or might not be aware, the SEnuke servers were under attack by hackers three separate times this past weekend.

            Only a few people were affected by it because it happened on a weekend and the problem was resolved within a couple of hours.

            However, we had to do a complete restore of the server from backup, so almost a whole day's worth of data was lost (Sept 27th).

            Most people receiving this email will not be affected by this data loss, but if you were active on the SEnuke website on Sept 27th, we might not have received your correspondence.

            If you signed up for a new SEnuke account or upgraded your existing account on that date, you might have to send us a message at the Help Desk (by logging into SEnuke SEO Software,SEO software,search engine optimization) again if your account doesn't seem to be working. This also applies to any help desk tickets or forum posts you might have made.

            Moreover, fixing all the issues that these attacks caused took up valuable hours that we wanted to devote to putting out the next update.

            As a result, the next SEnuke update will be delayed by 24-48 hours.

            Probably closer to 24 hours but it could take up to 48 hours.

            An email will be sent out to everyone once the update is released.

            We thank you for your patience, and sincerely apologize for any problems this may have caused you.

            We are working with our security team to make sure this never happens again.

            To your success,
            SEnuke Team
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    • Profile picture of the author itcoll
      Originally Posted by Rendix View Post

      Terry,

      One comparison I would like to see at the end of your analysis is a comparison between googles exact traffic projection and your actual incoming traffic. Also the corresponding SERPS placement for those sites.

      Best of luck to you!
      this is exactly what i need to.Thanks for letting Terry know that,Rendix.Bookmarked this thread Terry.Thanks for starting such a cool experiment.I have found jumptags to be better for indexing.you may try that:
      Jumptags.com - Beyond Social Bookmarking
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    • Profile picture of the author ruxi
      Brilliant idea. thanks for sharing. looking for result
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    • Profile picture of the author agrable
      Perhaps the most important aspect of your "experiment", which I appreciate from a scientific view, is the use of a "wildcard" element. Keeps it honest.
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      • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
        Originally Posted by agrable View Post

        Perhaps the most important aspect of your "experiment", which I appreciate from a scientific view, is the use of a "wildcard" element. Keeps it honest.
        Value added from somebody with 5 posts.
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      good
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      • Profile picture of the author medway
        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post


        The fact is, this experiment did not produce a large enough population of actual results to support a solid conclusion. Counting backlinks in site explorer or counting clickbank hops or view counts or randomly checking the search engines for your articles is not as solid as actual “sales”. What solid, tangible results are there that support any conclusion at all?

        I am not here to throw stones or trash talk anyone. I too am a newbie and I am here to learn. All I am doing is making a challenge in an attempt to make an objective decision about the claims being made.
        Yes there is tangible results, the rankings and how stable they were, that was what the test was about. Sales have more factors involved other than ranking. He intentionally spread the test out over 60 days as its well known how rankings can fluctuate so this was a way to try and see medium term how a particular ranking tactic worked out.

        He could have made the same test with no clickbank offers and it would have been just as valid from a ranking point of view.

        Once ranked then selling type of variables can be introduced to see how they affect sales.
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      • Profile picture of the author dbperry
        Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

        The fact is, this experiment did not produce a large enough population of actual results to support a solid conclusion. Counting backlinks in site explorer or counting clickbank hops or view counts or randomly checking the search engines for your articles is not as solid as actual “sales”. What solid, tangible results are there that support any conclusion at all?
        It would be virtually impossible to create a "scientific experiment" in a situation such as this that is so fluid and unpredictable. If you expect "solid" results then I don't think you understand the nature of the beast. ... The Google Monster that is.

        In fact, the real value in this 60 day Backlink Experiment was being able to look over the shoulder of an expert while he navigated the day to day problems that presented themselves. It was also very informative to hear from everyone on the thread as they commented and picked the process apart.

        Many thanks to everyone for making this "experiment" into a real live laboratory.
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    • Profile picture of the author ap09.com
      I am really excited about the results.Please let us know the updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Leads4Builders
      Terry,

      I just discovered your thread and I love it. I have too much A.D.D to read the entire thread to find out what happened, so I was wondering if you could share your findings. What was the result of your 60 day experiment?

      I appreciate you starting this awesome thread, and am looking forward to hearing your results
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
        Originally Posted by Leads4Builders View Post

        Terry,

        I just discovered your thread and I love it. I have too much A.D.D to read the entire thread to find out what happened, so I was wondering if you could share your findings. What was the result of your 60 day experiment?

        I appreciate you starting this awesome thread, and am looking forward to hearing your results

        I hope you don't expect that for free. Are you kidding me?? I suppose he could do it in a WSO or something, but I would rather read the thread and gather information from not only Terry, but the others as well!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
          Hi everybody,

          Long time watcher, first time poster here (would have linked the smiley but this is my 3rd post so I'm not allowed to do that yet)

          As I was going along with this really awesome thread (thanks Terry!), I decided to write two articles for one of my niches and backlink them with at least 10 links per day until they reach the first page. One article is at GOA and the other one at EZA.

          I've been backlinking for a while now and the GOA article starts to show up links both in yahoo site explorer and seo spyglass and has even been indexed in Google somewhere on page 8 for my chosen keyword.

          But the EZA article shows up absolutely nothing in spy glass and yahoo site explorer can't even identify it as being an actual url, it completely refuses to acknowledge that my article even exists. Not to mention that it's nowhere in Google's sight.

          Intrigued, I did a research on other EZA articles (not written by myself) and I could not find any backlinks what-so-ever using spyglass. I'm beginning to think that EZA does not allow or does not recognize links for it's articles.

          Did anybody have any success with backlinking EZA articles? I'm new at IM, so maybe I missed something along the way.

          I just want to know if I should continue backlinking the EZA article, or if I should drop it and focus on something else.

          Thanks

          PS: Terry, you made a great job with this thread...I already want to buy your next WSO without even knowing what it's about :p
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          • Profile picture of the author medway
            ezine has no control over backlinks, most people dont bother with them but there are some who do, youll just need to keep looking if you want to see that.

            it also depends on how you check for backlinks. if i look at the seobook toolbar it might show 0 but if I click the backlink button then it will load up yahoo explorer and ill see some links in cases.

            if youre not showing up or even on page 8 it sounds like a combination of not being optimized and perhaps too competitive of a niche. Also make sure the phrase shows up enough. I'm in a similar situation with an ezine article at #74 even though the competition is only about 10k competing pages. Ive only got my phrase once in the article. I'm going to make appear a few time times and see what happens.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
              MrSparrow

              This might be an obvious question but has your EZ article actually been indexed yet?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
                Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

                MrSparrow

                This might be an obvious question but has your EZ article actually been indexed yet?
                Yeah, it's indexed! It's actually ranking #1 for the exact title, but nobody searches that exact phrase. The keywords I'm aiming for, make half of the entire title length.

                If my backlinking would do it's job I"m sure I'd get ranked after a while, I just don't know if I should keep doing it or not.
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                • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
                  Originally Posted by Mrsparrow View Post

                  Yeah, it's indexed! It's actually ranking #1 for the exact title, but nobody searches that exact phrase. The keywords I'm aiming for, make half of the entire title length.

                  If my backlinking would do it's job I"m sure I'd get ranked after a while, I just don't know if I should keep doing it or not.
                  Interesting. I just picked out about ten random EZ articles, all at least a few months old and found the same result as you. I also picked the subject of backlinks for more likelihood they would be linked to. Unless the search engines have EZA blocked for some reason, seems odd though unless backlinking backlinks just isn't very common among EZA authors.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                    Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

                    SE placement should always be your first priority.
                    Spot on Jason.

                    I'm finally back from holidays in Northern Ireland - chilly climate, very warm people by the way - so back to the business of backlinks.

                    With all the discussion coming up about EZA, two quick points:

                    [1] EZA has its own forum (here) so if you are just after a backlink from them (why?), that seems like a much easier option to me;

                    [2] Warrior Mario Brown has just put out a BH tactical guide on EZA which I bought and read (it's here) but haven't yet implemented (holidays get in the way of important things, huh!).

                    Clever, clever stuff but BH.

                    Mario seems like a pretty smart operator so I'll be watching his stuff a lot more closely in 2010.

                    OK, let's catch up...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

                      Well just to add a little more value to this thread I'm experimenting with a blogging software that automates leaving comments. I'll post my results over the next few weeks.

                      Terry,
                      Do you have any experience with this type of software?
                      Sounds like Scrapebox Bruce which I've been using for other functions but not that one - yet.

                      In the current IM market, it's now tactical overload as much as info overload!

                      Keep us posted huh?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
                        Originally Posted by Mrsparrow View Post

                        Hi everybody,

                        Long time watcher, first time poster here (would have linked the smiley but this is my 3rd post so I'm not allowed to do that yet)

                        As I was going along with this really awesome thread (thanks Terry!), I decided to write two articles for one of my niches and backlink them with at least 10 links per day until they reach the first page. One article is at GOA and the other one at EZA.

                        I've been backlinking for a while now and the GOA article starts to show up links both in yahoo site explorer and seo spyglass and has even been indexed in Google somewhere on page 8 for my chosen keyword.

                        But the EZA article shows up absolutely nothing in spy glass and yahoo site explorer can't even identify it as being an actual url, it completely refuses to acknowledge that my article even exists. Not to mention that it's nowhere in Google's sight.

                        Intrigued, I did a research on other EZA articles (not written by myself) and I could not find any backlinks what-so-ever using spyglass. I'm beginning to think that EZA does not allow or does not recognize links for it's articles.

                        Did anybody have any success with backlinking EZA articles? I'm new at IM, so maybe I missed something along the way.

                        I just want to know if I should continue backlinking the EZA article, or if I should drop it and focus on something else.

                        Thanks

                        PS: Terry, you made a great job with this thread...I already want to buy your next WSO without even knowing what it's about :p
                        Hi everybody,

                        Long time watcher, first time poster here (would have linked the smiley but this is my 3rd post so I'm not allowed to do that yet)


                        Welcome! Yep - link those smileys when you can!

                        As I was going along with this really awesome thread (thanks Terry!), I decided to write two articles for one of my niches and backlink them with at least 10 links per day until they reach the first page. One article is at GOA and the other one at EZA.

                        Cool. Don't forget that the tastes of Google aren't static and sites like ArticlesBase, TheFreelibrary.com, Zimbio and LiveJournal are also working at the moment. I've always found EZA articles much less responsive to backlinks than GA BUT even though EZA's page is smothered with AdSense and GA lets you stick affiliate links everywhere, many Warriors argue that EZA delivers much better conversions.

                        What is also good about the strategy here MrSparrow is that both of those articles should eventually be on Page 1 and your domination of that Page 1 keyword can really begin. Then add other properties if you are getting a return from that keyword - prlog.org press release, WF blog post, YT video, Metacafe video (same as YT video but edited to slightly different length via 20 seconds of black at the end of vid 1 trimmed to 10 seconds on vid 2 - URL burned into both), Zimbio etc etc - each will need backlinks of course.

                        ArticlesBase now also let you add an image to your article which is a nice touch and if anyone has ArticlesBase articles up right now, consider adding a stock photo to it.

                        I've been backlinking for a while now and the GOA article starts to show up links both in yahoo site explorer and seo spyglass and has even been indexed in Google somewhere on page 8 for my chosen keyword.

                        But the EZA article shows up absolutely nothing in spy glass and yahoo site explorer can't even identify it as being an actual url, it completely refuses to acknowledge that my article even exists. Not to mention that it's nowhere in Google's sight.


                        Backlinks influence SERPs LONG before they appear in backlink reporting tools (many never will). Just watch your rankings, not reported backlinks and keep building 'em. In fact, Matt Cutts states that for your own websites tracked in Google Webmaster Tools that Google will show you ALL of the backlinks to your site but I have never found that to be the case.

                        Intrigued, I did a research on other EZA articles (not written by myself) and I could not find any backlinks what-so-ever using spyglass. I'm beginning to think that EZA does not allow or does not recognize links for it's articles.

                        Backlinks come from other sites linking TO EZA so they have no control over that factor. See above for more explanation.

                        Did anybody have any success with backlinking EZA articles? I'm new at IM, so maybe I missed something along the way.

                        Many many EZA articles rank highly and at #1. Ignore your own sites PR, ignore reported backlinks - unless you're harvesting potential sites from your competitors and focus only on SE rankings which consistent backlinking will deliver - 3 months is a reasonable timetable of expectations for high-ish rankings IF your SEO fights are winnable.

                        I just want to know if I should continue backlinking the EZA article, or if I should drop it and focus on something else.

                        Don't drop it! Keep at it be patient and remember that backlinking is virtually all you have to influence your Google rankings (there are other options - sort of - like Linkvana, but that is just paying other people to build backlinks for you too!).

                        Good luck!
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                      • Profile picture of the author turbohips
                        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

                        Sounds like Scrapebox Bruce which I've been using for other functions but not that one - yet.

                        In the current IM market, it's now tactical overload as much as info overload!

                        Keep us posted huh?

                        Hey man you're starting to freak me out. Are you looking over my shoulder? How the heck did you know what software I just purchased? There are a few others out there but you're right Scrapebox looked the best. So far I'm building links with it and have completed one full run on one domain. I'll start working on multiple domains with using different types of blog platforms to see which works best. I'll later check to see how many of them stick and the best approaches to finding/adding more. Now get out of my house already
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                        • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
                          @Terry - thanks for the reply.

                          @Mrsparrow - I think site explorer doesn't like the EZA search string, notice that it chops the query after you have hit the search button. Looks like a thumbs up for spyglass!
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                  • Profile picture of the author medway
                    Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

                    Interesting. I just picked out about ten random EZ articles, all at least a few months old and found the same result as you. I also picked the subject of backlinks for more likelihood they would be linked to. Unless the search engines have EZA blocked for some reason, seems odd though unless backlinking backlinks just isn't very common among EZA authors.
                    check my post just above for an explanation for this. they probably do have backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author ad18346
      very helpful..thnks.
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  • Profile picture of the author edp78
    Very Nice thread Terry,

    I'll keep watching.
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  • Profile picture of the author jspmedia
    Very interesting..using GoArticle as a LP...really want to see this experience progress.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    Just bookmarked this thread to track the results. This is a great experiment and I'm eager to learn from your data.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
    Good Luck Terry!

    You seem to have a very good plan for this experiment, and everything in place, so I'm confident along with other warriors I'm sure, that you will get some good ROI for your actions, and will be helping yourself and many others for future campaings.

    All the best

    JP
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    • Profile picture of the author moralde
      Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

      Good Luck Terry!

      You seem to have a very good plan for this experiment, and everything in place, so I'm confident along with other warriors I'm sure, that you will get some good ROI for your actions, and will be helping yourself and many others for future campaings.

      All the best

      JP

      I second that. I'll be closely monitoring your progress Terry. This is one good experiment and is definitely going to go well, in any case. In the end, when Terry reveals the best approach, everyone who will try to emulate this will have to take into consideration the karma-effect of 'being able to help other fellow webmasters'.
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  • Profile picture of the author regan
    I think this will be the longest thread that I read ever. Will stay close to see the results. Good job Terry and thank for sharing your experiment with us.
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  • Absolutely superb thread. These forums are full of the same old advice being branded around, based only on what people have read on forums themselves. Nobody ever tests anything. This thread is bookmarked and sure to become famous. Thanks for being good enough to share and not keeping the results to yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Many thanks for the supportive posts!

      OK, here's today's update:

      As per a suggestion above, I ran all 4 URLS through Jumptags and my bookmarklet-heavy Firefox toolbar e.g.


      The sites started turning up in Mister Wong pretty quickly (go figure!) BUT both Digg and Mixx refuse to accept GoArticles submissions.

      However, they will accept submissions from other sites linking to GoArticles so tomorrow I'll hit that too.

      From memory, adding a URL to your WF sig file will get spotted pretty quickly with a Google Alert too (not doing it on my sig for obvious reasons).

      Also today, I created the first 10 IRRELEVANT backlinks to Article 1 from Angela's recent packets BUT I logged the URLs in a Word document so that I can audit those links with one click each week to check whether they've been deleted and I need to replace any e.g.


      It's simple but effective (of course you could do it in Excel too but I personally find that program too unwieldy for simple jobs).

      Once I had the 10 backlink URLs for Article 1 (the IRRELEVANT ones), I created a unique RSS feed over at

      WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner

      and pumped it into RSSBot. However, when I went to also add it in to Feedburner, FeedAgg, they told me that the feed was corrupt so I'll have to recreate that tomorrow and hit it again.

      I will also run each backlink through my full bookmarklet range (see above pic).

      Now, here is my WP custom setup that has worked pretty well for me in the past (remember I would only backlink a keyword-intensive inner post page and not the domain name if I were setting this up normally).

      Plugins:


      My usual set are All-In-One-SEO; Google Sitemaps, Google Analytics, Jeremy and Don's Content Blender (to make posts look more unique) and Ghost Pinger.

      I like the simplicity and direct professionalism of the "Direct Response" Theme from "Happy Joe".

      You can see a sample of it here from one of my other blogs.

      Other important WP steps (sorry if you already know these but I'm spelling out all the steps!):

      Make the Permalinks SEO-Friendly:


      Expand the automatic RSS feed list (list from a great old Tommy Gadget WSO - thanks T!):


      Make sure the privacy default switch is changed so that search engines can find you:


      I also allow only one post per page to [a] improve readability and [b] possibly get more individual pages per site:


      More in the next post, this one is getting kinda long...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Today's Update - Part 2

        At this stage - Sunday night London UK time - none of the 4 sites has actually been indexed by Google yet though the domain and URLs show up in Google SERPs on the bookmarking sites.

        I screwed up on the good $35 article from Human Rewriter as that was for the new website - Test 4 (the one mainly driven by SB101) so I've started adding a spun article a day to that site (it's the WP blog above).

        I haven't heard from Ken Fry yet about whether my site has been approved for inclusion in the program but will update hear when I find out.

        That leaves me with an article still to spin in Power Article Rewriter for the SENuke trial on Article 3 (linkwheels) and RELEVANT backlinking to do on Article 2.

        My goal by Friday is to have:

        - all sites indexed
        - active in SB101
        - 50 relevant backlinks up for Article 2
        - 50 irrelevant backlinks up for Article 1
        - my first linkwheel for Article 3 up and indexed (from my one brief past experiment with linkwheels, it is important not to assume that beacuse some of the linkwheel sites have been indexed, that the connected ones will be too; Google is funny like that and you may need more action on sites that aren't getting indexed. I would think that a half-indexed linkwheel on the Web is about as useful as a half-finished wheel on a car!).

        Someone asked above about Google Alerts, click here.

        As you see on this image below, enter the exact term you want to be notified about (when G finds a new occurrence of that exact term on the Web) in "inverted commas", change to "as-it-happens" and put your email address in (probably has to be a gmail account) and you will get emailed when Google finds a new mention of that term anywhere:


        More updates tomorrow and all questions are welcome...
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  • Profile picture of the author Focused Action
    This is a great thread, not only am I going to follow it, I am going to duplicate it starting today. I have all of the tools and content articles that you have, so your ACTION has inspired me to step it up. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author ryandales2000
      Hi Terry,

      Great work. I'm sure this will become an epic thread with hundreds of eager Warriors following your experiment. I'm bookmarking this thread.

      Thanks Terry for coming up with this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Essi
        Hi Terry!

        Your methodology is priceless! Thanks for documenting this brilliant experiment of yours!

        I will continue to follow this with great interest.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Terry,

    Have you been using content blender and ghost pinger for some time now or is this a first time?

    They look very powerful but what about results?
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  • Profile picture of the author solderite
    Hey Terry,
    I just wanted to say Thanks for including SB 101 in your research. I know it is a wildcard and does not fit quite like the articles. It was very nice of you to go out of your way to make the extra time and effort to include it in your study. You will be in the rotation Wed.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Monday Night Update:

      Thanks for the support above and great to see Ken Fry joining in - Ken has said that my new site (Test 4) will be approved and in the SB101 system by Wednesday (Sept 23).

      That's good news and SB101 may be the dark horse to win the race!

      Firstly to Fernando's question: running a proper comparative test on the Content Blender plugin is on my 'To Do' list but I'm trusting Jeremy Kelsall and Don there as their other stuff is really solid (until I get around to it).

      With Ghost Pinger, I put that in the 'it can't hurt' box but isn't essential in my view.

      As of about Midnight Monday night, none of the 4 have yet been indexed and I added the sites to 2 backlink sites that I know from Google Alerts are 'seen' by the bots pretty quickly.

      However, patience is importance and it's where these sites will be in 30/60/90/120 days that really matters.

      Now, this experiment isn't without unexpected twists and turns and two of these landed in my email inbox today.

      Here's one from the SENuke crew:

      Hey guys,

      First of all, our sincerest apologies if you’ve been getting low success rates with some of the SEnuke modules.

      The last update was over a month ago, and a few sites have changed their submission systems. No update in a whole month is very unlike us (if you’ve been following us for a while).

      The reason for the delay this time is that we’re working on a massive update, and we really can't release things mid-update.

      This update will add about 20 new sites in the social network nuke module. That is our most popular module and we wanted to take it to the next level However, adding sites to this module is not an easy task…

      These 20 new sites will be in PR ranges 6 to 9. This means that now you can press the Start button and have blogs/hubs/wikis/pages created instantly on almost 40 high PR sites like hubpages, blogspot and wetpaint. And most of these links are dofollow! Imagine all the link juice you can get and the massive linkwheels, and blog networks you can create with one click!

      Another reason for the delay is that we’re working on making SEnuke fully compatible with IE 8. Making the video module compatible will take some time, but the rest of SEnuke will be fully compatible with IE 8 for the next update.

      Other than that, we’re working on a better registration system inside the software, and adding a bunch of member requests.

      All this has taken us longer than we expected and our sincerest apologies for that, but just know that we haven’t been sitting around lazily It will be well worth the wait!

      Moreover, work is well underway to create SEnuke from scratch in a completely new technology which will allow for scheduled submissions, background submissions, submissions without using Internet Explorer, and lots of other cool new goodies that members have requested, plus it’ll make it a lot more stable.

      So keep your eyes peeled for the next email from us announcing when the update goes live. Should be Monday, Sept. 28th


      To be continued in the next post...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Monday Night Update II

        So I feel that I should wait until the SENuke upgrade (theoretically) on next Monday in order to give it the best possible chance - even if I need to extend the experiment by another week in November for a fair and final result across the four sites.

        One other detail I wanted to add concerns the hotly debated issue of link density i.e. how many backlinks can you put on a page before you start losing link power (is 'link juice' finite on a page and if a page has 80 outbound backlinks, are those links greatly diminished/worthless?)

        With the backlinks for Article 1 and Article 2, I am only using ONE backlink per page.

        However, when searching for a #1 site's backlinks in my target niche, I found this 'link density' (more like 'link insanity' in some cases as you'll see) for a site ranking at #1 (ahead of Wikipedia) for a reasonably competitive term (not that I use or recommend this measure at all but 4.5 million results without quotes and 3.7 million with quotes).

        Take a look at screen grabs on this site from backlinkwatch.com:






        Out of 542 reported backlinks for this site, the number of pages linking to it with 10 or less outbound links would be less than 15 and many have hundreds of outbound links.

        This is an interesting sub-debate here but this site's success obviously some other factors help such as domain age {it was established in 1996}, on-page SEO, .edu links (only 1 of 542 reported here and no .gov backlinks).

        Interestingly, this specific inner page has a PR5 and the homepage PR7 - even if these links don't look that strong!

        More updates tomorrow and keep the questions and observations coming.

        One we have to discuss is buying intention with certain keywords and how to judge the commercial viability of some keywords and not others - another night perhaps...

        By the way, a tip I mentioned earlier about using SEO Quake INSIDE Yahoo Site Explorer works well BUT page load time is very slow AND Yahoo blocks you if you do it too much (they don't like that data scraping).


        Oh well, still valuable but be aware of those potential drawbacks...
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    uploaded all terry's important posts from sept 14 to 21 in a document file with date and time (till monday night update II )

    hope you find it useful!

    cheers!

    Terry Kyle?s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 14 - 21.zip
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Tuesday Morning:

      Test 4 - the new website with a 2 at the end of the keyword term in the dot com domain (e.g. mydomain2.com) has now been indexed by Google.

      I've also added additional bookmarklets to my Firefox toolbar to help speed up the bookmarking of backlink sites e.g.


      I have also been fixing up my installation of Warrior Big Mike's SocialBot to blast at the backlink sites to help make sure that Google finds them.

      In theory, this new website (Test 4) should be up and getting social bookmarked by others in Ken Fry's SB101 tomorrow.

      The other interesting email I received yesterday was this one from Lemonarian - a linkwheel proponent whose list I'm on:

      Hi everyone...

      Since I discovered the LinkWheel methodology back in February 2009, a lot has changed.

      It's not nearly as effective. When I released the report, it quickly became viral and everyone and their grandmother was doing LinkWheels left and right... a lot of people made money.

      Now, it seems Google's caught on.

      So I recommend you STOP doing perfect wheels and start mixing it up.

      The real power comes from interlinking the web properties. There's nothing magical about the "wheel" structure. That's really just a name.

      The power, as I said, is in interlinking them.

      So mix it up as much as you can at all times.

      Remember not to do reciprocal links.

      In closing, here's an example of how you could "mix it up":

      << CLICK - PICTURE HERE >>

      Also notice that I never "close" a wheel.

      And oh, if you blatantly copy that... well that might not be the best idea, since a couple thousand other people is getting this email.

      MIX IT UP!

      The principle is still valid, just try to leave as little footprints as possible.

      Stay cool,
      Linus


      Food for thought and today relevant backlinks for Test 2 are the order of the day...
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  • Profile picture of the author solderite
    Hey Terry,
    This is just my experience, I have absolutely no proof to back this up. I have found that when I bookmark a blog or static webpage with an RSS feed integrated into the site it gets indexed quick.


    I have made rss feeds for static sites but the RSS is not actually hosted on the page (make sense) then bookmarked them and the indexing is noticeably slower. Like I said I have no documentation to support this, but it seems that sites pinged with RSS implented on them index faster. Hope this makes sense. (I mean my explanation)

    I see no logic why the RSS would talk to each other but it almost seems like they do.

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Wednesday Update:

      Thanks Ken - great to have your input on board.

      I don't claim to be an expert on RSS and have always done it because 'you're supposed to' but I've seen pretty mixed results - the best results for me have been with FeedAgg.

      With this experiment, I have created RSS feeds for the GoArticles too though through this site:

      WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner

      rather than through GA which doen't give individual authors an RSS feed - which EZA does - but rather only has RSS feeds for article categories.

      Things are a little quite at the moment BUT:

      Test 4 - the new website with a WP blog IS in Ken Fry's SB101 program whereby a group of webmasters social bookmark each other's sites with a set range of sites.

      So Test 4 on SB101 is live and running!

      Bookmarking each of Ken's assignments (using bookmarklets) takes no more than 5 minutes and each webmaster is expected to 'do their homework' and social bookmark their 'homework assignment' every few days (about 10 other sites per 'assignment').

      Mainly at the moment I'm backlinking Article 1 and Article 2. Remember that SENuke will roll (hopefully) on Monday when SEN goes through a massive update.

      Each day or so I add a 'new' spun article to Test 4, the new website.

      Still Articles 1, 2 and 3 have not been indexed by Google - only the new website has been so far.

      Interestingly though, each site is returning very different backlink reporting in Yahoo Site Explorer e.g.


      Ladygaga.com is a PR7 site that I use sometimes (used on all 4 test sites here) because Google Alerts picks up new links there very quickly (e.g. under 20 minutes) BUT that doesn't mean that Google will index the linked site/s there!

      I will fire a question to Matt Cutts over on Google's new Webmaster Central area of YouTube which is quite useful for us backlinkers if you 'read between the lines' of his answers there.

      If my question makes it into a YT video there during the life of this experiment, I'll add it to this thread.






      Remember that these sites went through basically the identical process of getting indexed (not quite yet!) by Google and the difference between results on GoArticles above shows that SEO/SEM is not a perfect, predictable science.

      I expect the first week or two of this experiment to be a little light on action but hopefully things will heat up after that, so stay tuned...
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      • Profile picture of the author Big JP
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Wednesday Update:

        I will fire a question to Matt Cutts over on Google's new Webmaster Central area of YouTube which is quite useful for us backlinkers if you 'read between the lines' of his answers there.

        If my question makes it into a YT video there during the life of this experiment, I'll add it to this thread.
        I think that channel is great! and agree it is very usefull for us IM's to be able to get more of an understanding on how these google bots actually work, which is what everyone would love to Know.

        Also Terry, how exactly do you use WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner to make RSS? I couldn't make sense of it :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe118
          Terry, in my experience Yahoo Site Explorer is a few weeks behind on Google. Or at least, the data set they're using is a few weeks older than the one that Google is using to determine ranking.
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Quick Thursday night update:

            Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

            Terry, in my experience Yahoo Site Explorer is a few weeks behind on Google. Or at least, the data set they're using is a few weeks older than the one that Google is using to determine ranking.
            That's true Joe - Google will respond to backlinks loooong before they turn up on YSE - which I suspect never shows all of them anyway!

            Originally Posted by Big JP View Post

            how exactly do you use WebDevTips - Code Generators - RSS Headliner to make RSS? I couldn't make sense of it :confused:
            I'll post step-by-step screen grabs on using this service over the next couple of days Big JP.

            Also, Article 3 has now been indexed - that took almost a week! - though Articles 1 and 2 still have not been indexed yet all three went through the IDENTICAL process outlined above in previous posts.

            IMPORTANT: I've also started work on a top top secret Test 5 (with a completely different approach) and I'll reveal all the details of that much further on - everyone loves a mystery - as I hope that it will solve the problem for all of us when trying to backlink numerous Web 2.0 inner and outer wheel sites of our linkwheels quickly! Fingers crossed.

            Back to backlinking now...
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            • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
              OK - quick extra postscript on Thursday night.

              GoArticle 3 has not only been indexed (finally!) after a week but is now sitting at #12 on page 2 of Google for a search term that (if you believe it) the Google Keyword Tool estimates gets 5400 phrase search matches and 2900 exact match searches a month.

              Article 3 is planned to get blitzed with SENuke next week when the new update comes out but hopefully this result - with a few links and social bookmarks to get it indexed - shows the power of GoArticles when it works.

              Now, the bigger questions are:

              - will it retain its position before SENuke kicks in next week or gradually slide downward?

              - is it a buying phrase?

              - does GoArticles convert?

              - does my GoArticle for that phrase convert?

              - does that Clickbank vendor site convert well?

              Let's see...
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    just commenting on some related popular blog's posts, gets my articles indexed faster !
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  • Profile picture of the author GIahGroup
    Awesome thread Terry and very generous of you to outline your steps here.

    I am in the process of doing the something similar but using fresh just reg'd domains, only I am using similar / comparitive tools.

    My tools being used are:

    1. Senuke
    2. Thelinkjuicer
    3. Linking loophole by P Drew
    4. Video marketing using Traffic Geyser

    I'm targeting very competive terms too (88,000,000 broad match & 22k searches / mth on G with exact match) its huge competition but I guess too many people traget smaller niches so I want the sites to rank well all that ecommerce shopping at Christmas.

    My market is Nintendo Wii's, which is hot but very competitive so I appreciate your steps being outlined here which hopefully might save me some time.

    Looking forward to your updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      IMPORTANT: I've also started work on a top top secret Test 5 (with a completely different approach) and I'll reveal all the details of that much further on - everyone loves a mystery - as I hope that it will solve the problem for all of us when trying to backlink numerous Web 2.0 inner and outer wheel sites of our linkwheels quickly! Fingers crossed.

      Back to backlinking now...
      Hrmmm .... this sounds familiar.

      I'm sorta feeling left out Terry

      You mention every other backlinking appoeach BUT ....

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        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Hrmmm .... this sounds familiar.

        I'm sorta feeling left out Terry

        You mention every other backlinking appoeach BUT ....

        Lovin this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Sunday 27 September 2009 Update:

          OK, so we started on Thursday 17 September with these 4 Web properties:

          [1] 500 word article (keyword phrase mentioned 5 times in article) on GoArticles backlinked with 50 weekly IRRELEVANT backlinks from Angela, PJ and my own WSO each week by an outsourcer hired through Elance (I'll go into all that with screen shots in a post soon);

          [2] 500 word article (keyword phrase mentioned 5 times in article) on GoArticles backlinked with 50 weekly IRRELEVANT backlinks;

          [3] 500 word article (keyword phrase mentioned 5 times in article) powered by SENuke linkwheels (with backlinking of linkwheel sites);

          [4] New website with WP blog installed (plugins settings previously detailed in this thread) - keyword phrase as domain name (with a '2' added at the end as original dot com name was unavailable) - powered by Warrior Ken Fry's SB101 program of mutual social bookmarking plus spun posts (spun with Human Rewriter).

          Just from GoArticles' own traffic, some 'tire kicker' traffic has passed through the articles e.g.



          This is a new ClickBank account created just for this experiment. My tracking codes all follow this pattern:

          1/2/3a - Cloaked (via offto dot net) link at top of article/site
          1/2/3b - Cloaked link within article
          1/2/3c - Cloaked link in bio box
          4d - banner ad at bottom of blog post
          4e - banner ad in sidebar

          This allows me to check EXACTLY which links are working (I encourage you to go to the trouble of testing all your links too).

          While the 2 order page impressions from the Analytics pic above might seem positive, they appear to have come from the same visitor to a picture ad on the WP blog (test 4).

          Progress so far:

          Article 1 - Indexed by Google and currently on Page 2 (this may 'disappear' from SERPs temporarily as links are 'seen' by Google - that's totally normal)

          Article 2 - Still not indexed (hurry up Google!)

          Article 3 - Indexed (first of the GoArticles by a couple of days), was at #12 on Google Page 2 for keyword but has currently disappeared. I am waiting for a major update to SENuke before major linkwheel building campaign begins (with Warrior Tome Brite's help) - according to SEN, the upgrade will be out tomorrow (Monday, 28 September).

          Test 4 - Indexed first of all test sites, has been included in SB101 for most of the past week. Outside the top 200 for keyword so far.

          With any backlinking campaign, patience is really important and once a 'tipping point' is reached, progress is usually pretty rapid on Google.

          In my opinion, Google is the only search engine to focus on - I have #1 sites on Yahoo and MSN but the traffic isn't that great. Maybe you've had better luck!

          I'll go heavily into outsourcing in my next posts as I get a lot of PMs and emails about this side of IM.

          Like all this stuff, it's important to just jump in and try it and learn by doing it; that's how I've learned many of my most important findings and skills (plus great WSOs).

          More coming soon...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Great thread so far Terry, you really are documenting everything which is great!

    Looking forward to seeing the results after you use senuke to blast away at that article.

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  • Profile picture of the author xbokcom
    This is great Terry to follow your experiment. It just show you that the best way to make anything work is test and trial and error till you succeed.

    Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing this with us.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Are you also tracking the amount of traffic each site / article is receiving as well? I don't deal with goarticles so I'm not even sure if you can do that.

    Aside from the obvious goals of search engine rank and income, I'm curious how the different methods work when it comes to raw traffic. If wordpress has any benefits over a single page article since it has a larger footprint of content that can be found through your index page, archive pages and actual post page.
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      Truly awesome post, seriously I check this every day after I get off of my J.O.B. thanks for the hard work!
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    waiting for the results!

    I will definitly learn something from it!
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    • Profile picture of the author dwrglobal
      Try this free service from Mr Brute Force Pete:

      HTML to RSS Feed Creator, easily create rss feeds by Peter Drew

      You can consolidate several URLS to create a single Rss feed URL that you can ping...

      Hope it helps..

      DaNNy

      P.S. Can't wait to see the results.. will be following this thread

      Originally Posted by James Lancaster View Post

      I have some questions:
      How I should build my backlinks? I have no problems building almost unlimited amount of backlinks from various high profile sites and random sites as well, however, some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more. The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly. Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

      Also what about submitting batches of backlinks to profile sites by copy-paste method? Won't google catch up that those are the same and same backlinks with no changes?

      Thank you for your answers
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Personally, I regard outsourcing as an ESSENTIAL practice in an IM business. When I began, I stupidly resisted it for a while but was blown away by the low prices and speed when I did get into it!

    For the record, I pay US$25 per 50 backlinked profiles created with photo upload (I provide the photo), bio paragraph copied and pasted in (that I provide) and email verification/validation done by them. I do this through an outsourcer on elance.com.
    thanks for the info, I've been on the fence regarding outsourcing. As I'm sure you know, it's tough to keep up with the constant backlinking ratrace.
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    • Profile picture of the author purelight
      To be honest Terry, even though I recently bought your WSO I don't know a heck of a lot and a bit of what your doing is just going over my head. I would be very interested in the CB process if it doesn't slow the thread down too much with basics for everyone else.
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      • Profile picture of the author w123
        very interesting thread, thanks for the info!
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    Thanks you very much for this insightful post.
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    • Profile picture of the author deedan
      Thanks Terry for posting and sharing this great experiment! Your methodology simply rocks!
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    GoArticles is good for SERP/SEO purposes. But GoArticles doesn't allow traffic statistic.

    If you put an affiliate link into the resource box of an article, how do you find out traffic statistic through the GoArticles?
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  • Profile picture of the author webdaisy
    thanks for sharing this great information
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Very quick update:

      SENuke update complete so I'm busy creating new social accounts for the first linkwheel on Article #2 tomorrow and devouring Warrior Tom Brite's SENuke guide right now.

      Looks like Article 1 has hit Page 1 of Google USA for it's term (according to the GoogleGlobal plugin for Firefox) though a second US results tool I use (Google Ad Preview) - because I'm in London UK - says it's still on Page 2. Weird.

      Remember, Article 1 has the IRRELEVANT backlinks.

      I will answer all the above questions tomorrow when I get the first linkwheel up...

      When the experiment is nearing its conclusion, I will reveal not one, but two, other secret SEO experiments with other methodologies I have also been conducting in this same niche - exciting, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rendix
    That's one thing I've discovered I want with the IM business, lol.

    Considering I can't afford much, and I'm just getting my ball rolling, a time machine would be a fantastic investment.

    (waits...)
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    I'm so excited ..about the results... I'll just follow on this post..
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    What I can tell you is that if you completely stop building backlinks for a site, it will probably start drifting downwards (unless it has some amazing backlinks!).
    Do you run any splogs (spam blogs)?

    I'm not sure if this would make any difference but if you have a few splogs all linking to one of your sites, if they are running on auto pilot and constantly generating new content, each new post is going to create a new backlink. These additional backlinks might not be worth much for SEO but they do provide a constant stream of new backlinks and activity directed at your site.

    Like I said, I'm not sure if this would make any difference or help a site from drifting downwards but it's an idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Do you run any splogs (spam blogs)?

      I'm not sure if this would make any difference but if you have a few splogs all linking to one of your sites, if they are running on auto pilot and constantly generating new content, each new post is going to create a new backlink. These additional backlinks might not be worth much for SEO but they do provide a constant stream of new backlinks and activity directed at your site.

      Like I said, I'm not sure if this would make any difference or help a site from drifting downwards but it's an idea.
      Hi Jason. I don't have any splogs for this experiment nor have I used them myself in the past. Have you had success with that approach?

      There will however be a couple of other approaches to SEO/linkbuilding revealed near the end of this experiment.

      Back to this experiment:

      We are getting into the SENuke phase now.

      Now with the upgraded SEN, in theory you can set up a linkwheel consisting of 34 'spokes' or sites linking to each other and your money site.

      Actually, if you add in USFree Ads and some article directories, it's quite a few more.

      Each site was hit with a spun version of an article of around 39% originality that I created with Warrior Sebastian Kohl's (I think that's his name) Power Article Rewriter.

      There are many of these types of programs available now and of course Human Rewriter too - which I have used for other tests in this experiment.

      If you want to save some money while trying a manual linkwheel approach without SENuke, these are the 34 sites I attempted to set up:

      Hubpages
      (I did Hubpages manually as they only permit 2 links in the article and the rest have 3 links; one to the GoArticle, one to the vendor with a cloaked aff link and one to the next site in the wheel)
      Zimbio
      Wikispaces
      Blogspot
      Wetpaint
      Wordpress.com
      Quizilla
      Knol
      Msn spaces
      Tripod
      Google sites
      Webs.com
      Vox
      Livejournal
      Xanga
      Blog.com
      Ning
      Friendster
      Blogsome
      Jimdo
      Zoho
      Gather.com
      Onsugar
      Blogetery
      Easyjournal
      Nexo
      Atwiki
      Zoomgroups
      Zoomshare
      Insanejournal
      Terapad
      Diaryland
      Thoughts.com
      Sosblog

      However, typical of this process, some sites fail to set up e.g.


      BUT

      once the wheel has been theoretically created, it is extremely important to manually check the integrity of your wheel.

      When I did, I found that Zoho requires a login to view the post so that effectively 'broke' the 'chain'.

      SENuke took about 30 minutes or less to create the wheel and I took maybe another hour checking and changing links so that it worked in a sequence.

      If you recall an earlier post with Lemonarium's thoughts about mixing up the wheel like a 'mesh', that will be a future step (after I chat to Warrior Tom Brite about it).

      Eventually I settled on a wheel of 28 sites and I did not let SENuke ping the sites until the wheel integrity was manually tested.

      I then pinged the new sites through SENuke to:


      However, I also noted the RSS feed URLs of the sites that DO offer RSS e.g.

      Friendster
      Hubpages
      Terapad
      Zimbio
      Wordpress (obviously!)
      LiveJournal
      Tripod
      Blog.com
      Blogsome
      OnSugar
      EasyJournal
      Zoomshare

      As I'm writing this, I've got RSSbot spreading my RSS feeds for those linkwheel 'spoke' sites to help their indexing.

      At the moment, Article 1 and 3 (before the SENuke effect) are both on Page 2 of Google for their respective terms but surprisingly Article 2 has not even been indexed yet and Test 4 has been indexed though not yet appearing in the SERPs. More work needed on Article 2 indexing-wise.

      I checked Test 4's progress with SB101 and this inner-page URL has about 30 social bookmarks each from different accounts across each Web 2.0 property there. Obviously Test 4, the WP site, hasn't reached its Google 'tipping point' yet.

      Here are the latest Analytics from ClickBank:


      That's the latest so far and remember to hit the "Thanks" button on the right below if this thread is proving useful for you.

      More soon...
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    I believe this is one of the best thread in this forum
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    • Profile picture of the author XRay
      Terrry,

      Congrats on the progress you're making with this project.

      About the linkwheel:28 spokes is a sizeable linkwheel. Did you go with a closed or a broken structure? Also, did you focus on just one keyword for your anchor text or did you vary the anchor text with related keywords?

      Looking forward to reading the next update. Keep up the good work.

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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Web_Itch View Post

        Hi Terry,

        Nice work. Just a few questions:

        Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit? Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)? Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

        Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

        Lastly just wondering why you choose SB101 as the site alternative?

        Thanks,

        Web Itch
        Hi Web Itch - all good questions and one of the reasons for running this experiment - to help on the detail.

        Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit?

        I used the same email account and password (as much as possible anyway) but SENuke lets you spin the titles of Web 2.0 accounts/titles - I used about 5 variations which was all I could squeeze in there. Each spinner variation contained the keyword phrase intact.

        Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)?

        Yes, I am backlinking them from the above packets to make sure they're indexed and getting some link power. Running a full backlinking campaign on 28 new sites is a pretty big commitment but we'll see.

        Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

        That's what we'll find out. Many SEO experts suggest that relevant links are everything so maybe Article 2 has the advantage. Then again, Test 4 has SB101 behind it!

        Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

        Cloaking links is the perceived wisdom on aff links but you're right, let's question everything here and I'm going to some sub-experiments on the cloaked links.

        Redirection (if you mean, for example, by buying a cheap .info domain, and redirecting to CB vendor) is unnecessary with GoArticles as they allow aff links straight to a CB vendor, unlike EZA which demands a top level domain redirect (if that's still their current policy). Unlike EZA, GA also let's you put as many links INSIDE your article as you want - and they respond to backlinking much faster than EZA articles.

        Originally Posted by XRay View Post

        Terrry,

        Congrats on the progress you're making with this project.

        About the linkwheel:28 spokes is a sizeable linkwheel. Did you go with a closed or a broken structure? Also, did you focus on just one keyword for your anchor text or did you vary the anchor text with related keywords?

        Looking forward to reading the next update. Keep up the good work.

        Ray
        Thanks Ray. The 28 spoke wheel is closed if you mean sequentially connected in one big loop. However, once some indexing is happening of the 'spoke' sites, I'll start randomly 'meshing' cross spokes across the wheel, making sure that I avoid any reciprocal linking.

        I did use spun version of the keyword BUT each version kept the keyword phrase embedded intact within each longer keyword alternative e.g.

        if my target keyword was 'cheap nike shoes', I had variations like 'where to get cheap nike shoes', 'cheap nike shoes in chicago' etc.

        BTW, cheap nike shoes is definitely not the niche I'm in!

        Hope that helps.

        Incidentally, in my 'spare time', I've been studying backlinking systems used successfully by very large companies in VERY competitive niches where they create literally MILLIONS of anchor-texted backlinks a year.

        Yep, millions.

        It's fascinating stuff and blows away any concern about backlinking too fast. I will probably do a WSO on it and something else much more ambitious on it too!
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        • Profile picture of the author Web_Itch
          Hi Terry,

          Thanks for your pronto response. I was thinking of a meta redirection so you don't have to purchase a domain name (where you create a redirection within a file on any of your sites), but cloaking the way you did is easier. Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB? Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

          Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program? I know you're testing it to find that out, I was just curious why you choose that one. Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

          Thanks again,

          Nolan Speers (Web_Itch)
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  • Profile picture of the author Web_Itch
    Hi Terry,

    Nice work. Just a few questions:

    Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit? Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)? Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

    Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

    Lastly just wondering why you choose SB101 as the site alternative?

    Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author teamind
    Fascinating research, Terry. What an amazing mind you have. Will definitely be checking out your backlinks package and following this thread to the end!
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    Thanks Terry, You are opening up the world of building backlinks through RSS and web2.0
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  • I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.
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      Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

      I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.
      An xrumer blast will vary in effectiveness for every use. Different people have different targets; some of the guys on Digital Point will use the same target list for each of their customers, not achieving the potential of the software.
      Also, different article directories will produce different results. Some pages will stay on page 1, others will fall dramatically after 2-3 weeks due to the rapid fall in link velocity. But not all. It's all very interesting stuff. I think the xrumer test is beyond the scope of this experiment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Anshori
    thanks for this.
    i will stay and watch this thread and want to know progress and result
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      OK - haven't checked in for a bit with a thousand things to do but here's the latest:

      Article 1

      Article 1 now has about 100 IRRELEVANT backlinks and - according to BOTH the GoogleGlobal Firefox plugin AND Google Ad Preview Tool - is sitting at #4 on Page 1 of Google USA for its keyword term. Ahead of it is an older GoArticle, a .edu page and an about.com sub-page. However, the backlinks to those authority pages (not sites) aren't particularly strong. Article 1 is bringing in the affiliate hops as the screen grab below shows, where I'll talk about conclusions from that table. By the weekend, Article 1 should have about 150 IRRELEVANT backlinks. On face value, the relevancy of backlinks, or lack thereof, doesn't seem to be hurting its ranking.

      One more important point: In terms of link density on the page, the backlink on each of those sites is the ONLY one placed there. Same for Article 2.

      Article 2

      Article 2 has about 100 RELEVANT backlinks but has STILL not been indexed by Google! As such, it cannot appear in the search rankings. However, the Web 2.0 properties that I used to help get it indexed are sprinkled throughout the first 5 pages of Google. I expect those to fall off pretty soon. Could be that the Googlebots don't visit the sites of this (very slightly obscure) niche that often.

      Article 3

      Our 28-spoke linkwheel has been created, has structural integrity and a unique CB Tracking ID for the linkwheel aff links: LWHEEL (you can see it on the pic below). If I get some volume on those, I'll create unique CB Tracking IDs for each of the 28 sites. I have fed the sites that have RSS into RSSBot and through my usual cluster of FeedAgg, FeedAge, Feedburner, Feedraider, Pingomatic, Autopinger and MillionRSS. I have also been social bookmarking a couple of the 'spokes' each day.

      As yet, none of the 28 have been indexed and at the moment, I can't find Article 3 in the top 10 pages of Google USA for its keyword term. I suspect that Google is 'digesting' the new backlinks.

      Test 4

      The new WP-based site is relying on the power of SB101 but even though Web 2.0 bookmarks from other members of SB101 are turning up through the first 10 pages of Google for its term, the site itself isn't - not yet anyways!

      ClickBank Latest Analytics:


      Now some conclusions we could draw so far from these analytics (remember to ignore the sale as that was a test of my cb vendor process):

      [1] Article 1 has had a total 22 hops so far. Only 1 of those came from the Bio Box! Link 1a at the top of the article (before the actual article content) has attracted 9 hops from which 2 have resulted in Order Form impressions on the Vendor site. That sounds pretty promising to me even if there are no sales as yet from that Tracking ID. In contrast, the link WITHIN the article has attracted 12 hops with 0 Order Form impressions! The only hoplink from the Bio Box did NOT result in an order form impression.

      This is part of the reason why I like GoArticles - you can have your aff links wherever you want in the article (the top looks good so far!), an article will go live in under 24 hours, the page isn't as saturated with AdSense as EZA and GA articles respond really well to simple backlinks! Let's see how things progress on this one.

      BTW, my CB Vendor gravity was around 100 so I'm assuming he or she is getting reasonable conversions.

      [2] Article 2 is not ranking on Google so I'm assuming that the 13 hops there are from curious surfers who stumbled across my backlinks on forum profiles etc. As yet, 0 Order Form impressions there. Boo-hoo.

      [3] Article 3 has 13 hops with 0 Order Form impressions so far. That's OK as this one is relying on SENuke which hasn't been on the job that long.

      [4] Test 4 has 7 hops for 2 Order Form impressions though it has no Google SERP help so far, just Web 2.0 bookmarks via SB101.

      [5] So far the Linkwheel from Article 3 has delivered 4 hops with 0 Order Form impressions. Very early days there.

      Other News:

      I have been trying Warrior Steve Hawkins WSO of a semi-automated backlink program and it is very good. It works with a clever right click menu function that allows you to paste in a whole page of information that you have entered or individual boxes that need filling in e.g.


      If you are doing backlinks yourself or just don't want to pay for outsourcing, this is an excellent alternative - you can check out Steve's program in the WSO section here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...thly-fees.html

      I'll talk more about Steve's program in the days ahead as I use it more but I have found it much more intuitive than say Roboform.

      Also, I want to do an additional test with a new self-hosted WP blog in this niche where all content comes from an original source that is posted into the blog by email automatically. All earnings from this site would be from AdSense only and I have a source of unique content that I will go into later. The problem is that I cannot get my WP blog-by-email to work properly with any plugin or approach. Anybody here cracked this one? Let me know by PM please as it would be an interesting extra experiment in this whole process.

      Now for some correspondence:

      Originally Posted by Web_Itch View Post

      Hi Terry,

      Thanks for your pronto response. I was thinking of a meta redirection so you don't have to purchase a domain name (where you create a redirection within a file on any of your sites), but cloaking the way you did is easier. Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB? Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

      Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program? I know you're testing it to find that out, I was just curious why you choose that one. Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

      Thanks again,

      Nolan Speers (Web_Itch)
      Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB?

      Stay tuned - shocking revelations ahead Nolan!

      Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

      The problem I have with any cloaking is that you have to totally TRUST the integrity of the cloaking mechanism. Plus, would a general public buyer know (or care about) the type of link they are following. Personally, I doubt it and am torn on the 'conventional wisdom' of cloaking. Again, stay tuned for news on that front ahead.

      Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program?...Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

      SB101 has been getting plenty of attention on WF and I wanted to feature a broad range of SEO approaches in this experiment which might answer a lot of questions for us backlinking bandits in one go. Link Juicer is another one getting attention using a similar-ish methodology. Is SB101 the de fact standard? Probably not yet but to be fair, Ken Fry, who is a very decent guy by the way, has not had it running all that long (I don't think) but time will tell and I love the creative ingenuity of things like SB101, LJ etc.

      Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia View Post

      I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.
      Hi PRM. You're pretty generous with my time! Only kidding. I am unfamiliar with xrumer - can you elaborate in this thread - but I have a couple of top secret additional tests going on too (not to mention the autoblog by email that one clever techie reader here will help me with - fingers crossed!).

      Also, from my WSO thread, I did want to quote a post there as I feel it shows exactly the kind of patience and persistence essential for IM success (and life too, probably if that's not too deep):

      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

      One quick note about automation.

      Although I still subscribe to Angela's and PJ's stuff as well, when I can, I now try to backlink a grouping from the same platform. This speeds up the process immensely. I find 20-25 a good number.

      With Roboform (if you don't already have it, shame on you), and the "fill" command, you can really streamline the process of both signing up and then putting in the links after you register, since the same information will be required at each of the sites in your grouping. In Roboform you can add your own as well. So if it has a "Bio" box, you simply put in "Bio" into Roboform, and then in the following box type in the links that you want. Then you just click on your profile and *poof*, everything is inserted. You can have an endless number of profiles in the pro version of Roboform.

      If you really want to automate the process, I have been playing around with iMacros for the past 24 hours or so. I started with my favorite group of 20 backlinks (i.e., i prefer this platform), and using the iMacros "record" function, I have been able to get it so that after the emails are confirmed, I can sign in, and put all of the necessary backlinks with 100% automation (i.e, I can be drinking a beer in the other room) in under 5 minutes for these 20 sites. It took me a few of hours to set this my first iMacro (and get the hang of the syntax, etc.), but I look it as a long term investment as I can now do this over and over and over.

      Also, I use SENuke, which has a POP email verification function in it, so I simply use that to confirm all of the emails, and it can confirm 25 emails in under minute automatically. There are probably other POP email verification software out there, but for me it is just added functionatlity for SENuke I guess.
      Good work THM...
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      • Profile picture of the author netstarmobile
        Love the thread. I have been following from day one. It's a great opportunity for us newbies to learn from the more experienced guys.
        A couple of quick questions for anyone that wants to answer.

        1. How effective is Xrumor? Has anyone out there used it with success?

        2. I see Terry using RSS feeds, so must they work well for him. What is the most effective way to set up these feed?

        3. How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

        Thanks in advance.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Thanks for all the support! Here's an edited PM to me that I wanted to share:

          Originally Posted by James Lancaster

          Hello, Terry!

          I wanted to know if you could help me out a bit more with some things I am not sure about regarding backlinks.

          I wanted to know how can I get my backlinks indexed faster. Currently it's interesting...some sites I have backlinked don't have any or very few backlinks while others have 1k and more. This is an example:
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          If you check it in yahoo site explorer then you will see lots of backlinks, but I don't have that site ranking at all.

          I wanted to know the approximate time span when I should start seeing results from backlinking and getting targeted visitors from the keyphrase.
          Hi James,

          I checked your site in Backlinkwatch.com and believe I have found the problem.

          On face value, you DO appear to have over 1,000 backlinks to that site BUT the majority of them come from a handful of sites.

          In Google's eyes, in my experience, links from the same site basically only equate to a single 'vote' (backlink-wise) from that site. If we drilled down to how many DIFFERENT sites were backlinking to yours, it wouldn't be many. That's why I bang on so boringly about backlink IP Diversity in my WSO Report!

          If you look at the sites in my sig file, in theory I should be getting the number of posts I have made as separate backlinks to those sites (about 270-odd). However, I know from watching their progress in SEO Tools Rank Checker, that they are not getting anything like that kind of boost. Why? because they are all coming from one site.

          In Google's eyes, true 'authority sites' have a DIVERSE range of sites linking to them and for your site (and some of mine in my sig file) that just isn't there - yet! When you think about it, backlinking is really about making our sites look like true authority sites to Google.

          In short James, keep building DIVERSE site backlinks and you will see progress.

          Now let's look at another one of your questions which everybody asks about - time expectations for backlinking effect.

          If you recall, Article 1 in my experiment is already holding at #4 after just 3 weeks of life and about 100 diverse backlinks.

          However, another one of my sites, one that I've shamefully neglected to be honest, gaspressurewasherhq.com, refused to show up in the SERPs despite 3 months of solid backlinking after it was built earlier this year.

          Then, within a week or two, it hit the highs of page 1 and even #1 for a while. I haven't backlinked it for a while - my site folio is too bloody big! - and it's slipped to page 3 (that's another issue, by the way - the need to maintain backlinking once you get to number one!).

          gaspressurewasherhq.com is not a great site by any strectch - it's all syndicated content - but persistent backlinking on just one term (gas pressure washer - do a search and see what you find) to one inner blog post page got it to #1 in about 4 months.

          I know I could get it back there and probably will but backlinking effect can be fast and dramatic sometimes (#4 in 3 weeks for Article 1 is pretty good but how long will it take to get higher?) or slow and painful.

          The bottom line though James is to be patient - as I was with gaspressurewasherhq.com - and make sure you have a diverse range of sites linking to one site page (think of it as building an 'authority page' rather than site which will drag your whole site into the SERPs).

          With indexing, as this experiment has shown, it's quite a hit-and-miss affair. Articles 1 and 2 went through the same indexing process (outlined in previous posts) and Article 1 was indexed (I think) in just under a week. Article 2 is...let me check...still NOT indexed after 3 weeks! Using the brilliant Google Alerts, you can soon see which sites Google visits quickly.

          In short, use the aformeentioned bookmarklets on your Firefox toolbar (or OnlyWire), SocialBot, RSSBot, a blog post on LadyGaga.com (Google loves this site - G must be a fan of her music!), HTML pasting into pastehtml.com (then bookmark it), a link on a Gumtree/Craigslist ad, my.telegraph.co.uk, ecademy.com etc

          Hope that helps!

          Originally Posted by netstarmobile View Post

          Love the thread. I have been following from day one. It's a great opportunity for us newbies to learn from the more experienced guys.
          A couple of quick questions for anyone that wants to answer.

          1. How effective is Xrumor? Has anyone out there used it with success?

          2. I see Terry using RSS feeds, so must they work well for him. What is the most effective way to set up these feed?

          3. How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

          Thanks in advance.
          Thanks Netstar.

          My mental jury is still out on RSS effectiveness though I find a FeedAgg entry will rank highly for a few days. I mainly do it because 'you're supposed to' but I'm yet to see concrete evidence of its effectiveness - maybe you should run an experiment!

          How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

          Usual outsourcing backlinking services work the same way - manually - so comparing them is down to price, speed and reliability like any business service.

          However, automated tools/services like SENuke and SB101 are what this experiment will test so let's see...
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            • Profile picture of the author Mary Greene
              Terry, I have nominated you for every honor short of Warrior knighthood because of this outstanding thread. Thanks for delivering true value!

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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff S
              Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

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              Hi Kyle, I know several others have commented on this before, but I suggest you take a look at TextBroker . com as they have a large pool of writers and on the dozens of times I've used them, they produce good quality on a quick timeframe.

              - Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Innercore
    Hi Terry
    Iam following you from day 1 and Iam a newbie to IM.Basically as a Webdesigner,some part of IM is much easier for me.
    You are giving me tremendous strength when I thought that this field is not for me.I bought items,softwares and various wso's for the sake of learning and evetually earning something from IM.My mind is always thinking something about new even though I haven't finished the old one.So you can say that there is no systematic way to approach till I saw your thread.
    I have seen only one thread with live data(if any other thread is there,just awake me from my sleep)and I can say that proudly --Its only Happens in this forum and proud to be a Warrior.
    Iam doing right now with one niche with the same procedure of you.

    Regarding duplicate content : When the Search engines and article directories think that this is a duplicate content? Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

    Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

    Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

    Finally,if anybody agrees or not(everybody who visited this thread loving these posts )I will put you up in Hall of Fame for driving newbies like me to learn something step by step.
    I wish you goodluck!

    thanks mate for everything
    Fellow Warrior
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I'm very interested in finding out the results on the article with non-relevant links as I'm doing that with great success and also your experiment with the SENuke software. The software looks very interesting but the cost is a tad high for me unless I can find a bunch of clients to justify its use.

    Question for you, I now only am using back links to promote my site. How much more will article writing and submissions increase my rankings?
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      Just when 'er indoors is nagging me to get an early night, I stumble across this gem of a thread. An hour and a half later and I have barely touched the surface. As they say in Star Wars "May Divorce Be With You"

      It was worth staying up for though Terry, fantastic work
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        fantastic post and its very usefull for me. Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
          Answering posts and updating soon - thanks for the support - but I had to share this BRILLIANT insight from the main discussion area of WF:

          Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

          I was looking through the WSO section. I just got hit by such a HUGE realization.

          I think the reason why so many WSO's are successful is because people can ask questions about the product right under the sales letter and the creator can actually reply back to them.

          You can build a really good rapport with your potential customers by doing this.

          Not only does this help the person who asked the question decide whether they want to buy the product, it helps other people who come along and have the same question decide if they want to buy too.

          Not only does this format allow people who have questions to post right below the sales letter, it also allows people who have great things to say about the product to post under the sales letter.

          Think about it, how many people actually go through the trouble of emailing you at your support email to ask a question? Chances are they don't.

          However, if you gave them the option to post the question right there under your sales letter they would probably me more likely to ask it. If you required an email address for comments/questions you could then email them and tell them you answered their comment/question when you do, which would probably bring them back to your sales page.

          Remember multiple exposure to a sales page leads to a better chance of a sale.

          YET, not one sales letter that I know of does this! Can you imagine if you had a regular sales letter and allowed comments/questions to be posted under it?

          Obviously, if it's on your domain you would probably want to moderate those comments/questions. However, this could probably improve your conversions by 300%+

          What do you think?
          What you can learn in this forum is AMAZING!
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            OK - Sunday Night Update

            Let's recap and review.

            Bear in mind that one of my main criteria for a successful IM/backlinking approach is CONSISTENT results. Yes, Google can be a variable, somewhat unpredictable thing (e.g. Google Dance) but for us IMers to build long term sustainable businesses, CONSISTENCY is critical, IMHO.

            As great as they are, CPA, WSOs and the like tend to have a finite lifespan. I'd rather 'own' a set of niche keywords for years.

            So let's review our business model for this experiment and the integrity of each component. If a business model is to work, each component needs to be functioning properly and delivering CONSISTENT results.

            Here is a simplified schematic of what we are doing:


            and here are the latest CB Analytics and why I have made certain tactical changes:


            Now so far the CB vendor that I have sent 123 hops to has not yet delivered a sale for us. That seems too high (or low, sales-wise) and today I thus changed all the links across the 4 sites to another CB vendor in exactly the same niche.

            The original CB vendor had a gravity of 90-100 and the new one is roughly double that figure. Let's see how the hops above 123 compare.

            For the record if you don't know, ClickBank 'gravity' is:

            a unique calculation by ClickBank that takes into account the number of different affiliates who earned a commission by promoting this product over the past 8 weeks. Since more recent transactions are given a higher value, this number can give you an idea of what products are “hot” at the moment, in terms of being promoted by many affiliates and making a good number of sales. However, high gravity can also indicate that there will be a lot of competition in promoting this product.

            With 123 hops and no sales, the integrity of the CB vendor's site to convert (mainly GoArticle) traffic meant that the above model did not work. However, it could also be that GA traffic in that niche doesn't convert particularly well.

            In comparison, I have GoArticle traffic in the reverse phone lookup niche converting at roughly 4% (4 sales for every 100 hops) but the gravity of that vendor has been over 600.

            So now we need to watch this new higher-gravity vendor and see how well they convert our traffic.

            Article 1 with close to 150 IRRELEVANT backlinks is holding at about #4 or #5 on Page 1 of Google for its term and brought in 79 of the 123 hops.

            Article 2 presently cannot be found on Google for its term though it has close to 150 RELEVANT links. Why? because it still hasn't been indexed. Results are early but the case FOR irrelevant links being fine looks strong - so far!

            Article 3 is currently Google Dancing around as SENuke's links are found. Following Lemonarium and Tom Brite's advice, I have unlinked my linkwheel so that now it is a bunch of random Web 2.0 sites linking back to the article.

            Site 4 (SB101) still hasn't hit its stride either.

            Hopefully, all of this proves that patience, persistence and the willingness to adapt (rather than giving up, for example) are essential to making progress.

            Even after this experiment has ended, I will persist with these sites until they get to #1. For some of them that might take another 3 or 6 months - it doesn't matter. What does matter is adding another profitable site or property that keeps delivering incoming to my web portfolio. That, I suggest, is the mindset needed to succeed in IM. Off my soapbox now.

            So, lets look at some questions:

            Originally Posted by Jeff Scott View Post

            Hi Kyle, I know several others have commented on this before, but I suggest you take a look at TextBroker . com as they have a large pool of writers and on the dozens of times I've used them, they produce good quality on a quick timeframe.

            - Jeff

            Thanks Jeff. I'm past that stage on this particular experiment but having a Plan B and Plan C on every part of a business model is vital - thanks for sharing J!

            Originally Posted by Innercore View Post

            Hi Terry
            Iam following you from day 1 and Iam a newbie to IM.Basically as a Webdesigner,some part of IM is much easier for me.
            You are giving me tremendous strength when I thought that this field is not for me.I bought items,softwares and various wso's for the sake of learning and evetually earning something from IM.My mind is always thinking something about new even though I haven't finished the old one.So you can say that there is no systematic way to approach till I saw your thread.
            I have seen only one thread with live data(if any other thread is there,just awake me from my sleep)and I can say that proudly --Its only Happens in this forum and proud to be a Warrior.
            Iam doing right now with one niche with the same procedure of you.

            Regarding duplicate content : When the Search engines and article directories think that this is a duplicate content? Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

            Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

            Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

            Finally,if anybody agrees or not(everybody who visited this thread loving these posts )I will put you up in Hall of Fame for driving newbies like me to learn something step by step.
            I wish you goodluck!

            thanks mate for everything
            Fellow Warrior
            JAY
            Hi Jay,

            Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

            30% seems to be an industry average and is what SENuke recommends.

            Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

            I used to really hammer a mass article submission product that was very efficient and fast BUT I never seemed to get much of a rankings hit from it - despite having a bunch of anchor-text backlinks going from them. My own philosophy (everyone has their own and I'm not poo-pooing theirs at all) is to write one good article and backlink the hell out of it rather than writing endless articles and hoping that one somehow sticks.

            Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

            Would love to hear Jeremy and Don's thoughts on this as its their plugin (I've never had a problem with it).

            Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

            I'm very interested in finding out the results on the article with non-relevant links as I'm doing that with great success and also your experiment with the SENuke software. The software looks very interesting but the cost is a tad high for me unless I can find a bunch of clients to justify its use.

            Question for you, I now only am using back links to promote my site. How much more will article writing and submissions increase my rankings?
            Hi TH,

            SENuke IS expensive but hopefully readers here can have a 'test run' of it through this experiment. If it delivers, the price will be inconsequential.

            See above where I have hopefully addressed your other points.

            Originally Posted by broker11 View Post

            Terry, great thread.
            Can you also keep track of or estimate your total time of work invested for each method? If there is a large difference in time required for each test then that may be as important a factor as the results that are produced.
            Thanks.
            I'll try but I've used a LOT of outsourcing and automation here B11. Remind me at the end to add this in to the final verdict if I miss it.

            One more tip: I now use 2 virtual assistants via elance for various jobs and I pay each $3 an hour. That's the kind of value you can get there. I heartily encourage you to get one too! They're great for Web 2.0 account creation, backlinking and any other random repetitive labor that your IM business needs.

            Back to work now and keep those questions coming. Many thanks too for all the support here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Yuds
    Man I love this thread. Thanks so much Terry for doing all this research!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    maybe I missed it... did you drop wordpress from the experiment or was that article 4?
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    Plus I've got some other 'secret stuff' happening too which I'll reveal later...sneaky, huh?
    sounds good
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Hi all,

    I am following this thread since from sept 14, and im here posting all the important posts from Terry till oct 11. Hope you find it useful. I bought his backlink packets and all i can say is, its wonderful. The coolest thing is he has some vital information about using backlink packets in addition to the links.

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/bsj4gwjmgew/Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 14 - 21.zip

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/oqh0mkymmhw/Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 22 - Oct 11.zip

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Hi Terry,

    I have a quick question. Say your keyword targeted for article 1, gets 500 visits a day, since you said your articles are in 3-4 position, they must be getting 200-300 visits, (correct me if i am wrong) you said you are getting 100 hops a day, at means the click through rate of your article is 50% assuming if you get 200 visits from google. My question, should you be getting atleast 1 sales a day, at this rate? And also since you said you moved to a new vendor with double gravity, that must be doable now? Is it statistical or speculation?

    Another question is, though only your articles rank in google US alone, it must be getting less visits, but assuming that only people from major english speaking countries buy anyway, that must not be an issue! Does your article also rank in Google Uk?

    To add a twist to this experiment, can you try adding 4 more articles and building IRRELEVANT backlinks to them? Because this will increase the chance of getting more visits and hopefully sales? (That's just my idea though!)

    Thanks for everything, this thread rocks!

    Best,
    Esh
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Close to the end of Week 4 of our (theoretically) 8 Week experiment and we have...our first sale:


      Remember to ignore that $34.51 sale as that was a test of my other CB vendor account.

      I've obscured the amount to keep the niche secret a little longer - it was twenty something dollars.

      If you recall, after 123 unsuccessful hops, we switched to a DIFFERENT CB vendor in the same niche (though I haven't replaced the linkwheel aff links - yet) with just under double the gravity.

      Here is the latest CB Analytics breakdown in terms of raw hops since the experiment began and Tracking ID breakdown:




      Interestingly, the link proving the most successful is the one at the very top of the article between the headline and the article itself - pity EZA don't allow this! If you don't know what I mean, here is one of my other GA articles in a completely different niche (aff linked to Amazon Associates):


      I have a lot of other GA articles under aliases but that one is under my name.

      While one sale is hardly conclusive evidence, that link was performing the best out of all the links in terms of order form impressions BEFORE the sale.

      Now though the CB vendor we have switched to pays about $9 less per sale than the first one we tried, the fact that CB vendor #1 wasn't converting (for us!) made it pointless to continue there without changing something.

      Incidentally, one of the main arguments AGAINST affiliate marketing is that you are helping to build the long-term list of the vendor who can (potentially) milk that list for years. So, why not have links in your GoArticle to your own Aweber signup page where you capture the prospect on your list BEFORE trying to persuade them on to the CB vendor.

      I haven't tried this approach myself yet but it IS on my 2010 'to do' list (though that is a scarily big list at the moment!).

      Interestingly, all of the heavy lifting is being done by Article 1 at the moment. Article 3 is still only on page 3 of Google and the others aren't in the mix yet.

      But hopefully you can see the potential of having a bunch of these GoArticles ranking well through sustained backlinking for different terms in different niches.

      Now, let's look at a few questions:

      Originally Posted by esh View Post

      Hi Terry,

      I have a quick question. Say your keyword targeted for article 1, gets 500 visits a day, since you said your articles are in 3-4 position, they must be getting 200-300 visits, (correct me if i am wrong) you said you are getting 100 hops a day, at means the click through rate of your article is 50% assuming if you get 200 visits from google. My question, should you be getting atleast 1 sales a day, at this rate? And also since you said you moved to a new vendor with double gravity, that must be doable now? Is it statistical or speculation?

      Another question is, though only your articles rank in google US alone, it must be getting less visits, but assuming that only people from major english speaking countries buy anyway, that must not be an issue! Does your article also rank in Google Uk?

      To add a twist to this experiment, can you try adding 4 more articles and building IRRELEVANT backlinks to them? Because this will increase the chance of getting more visits and hopefully sales? (That's just my idea though!)

      Thanks for everything, this thread rocks!

      Best,
      Esh
      Hi Esh,

      Hopefully the above screen grabs from the whole experiment clarify the hops/day progress and numbers.

      Google in the UK (where I live, far from my home in Sydney) normally has roughly - give or take a few positions - the same results as Google USA. However Esh, I will report UK results as well in future progress updates.

      Doing an extra 4 articles is not physically possible at the moment BUT am I doing some other secret experiments that I will reveal later.

      Paul has given me permission to post this PM here for everyone's benefit:

      Originally Posted by islander1

      Hi Terry,

      I'm considering getting your package, but I'm kind of a newbie and only want to use it for article marketing-to rank articles at the top of Google that I submit to Go or EZA.

      So far, I've been struggling trying to accomplish this. I write the articles and put about 50 or 60 of Angela and Paul's backlinks on each article (competition less than 300,000 quoted results).

      So far, on 30 articles, I haven't been able to rank any of them in the top 10 of Google. In fact, some of them aren't even indexed by Google yet and it's been over a week since the last ones were submitted.

      Anyway, I'm looking for a solution to what I'm doing and I'd like to know 2 things:

      1. Am I on the right track or is the method I'm using flawed?

      2. Will your package show me some of the things I'm missing which I need to get these articles to the top?

      Maybe it's just a matter of more backlinks per article and more time (patience) plus a few "secret" methods that I may learn in your ebook.

      I'm just trying to figure out if I'm on the right track or not and if your package will help me.

      Thanks in advance for your guidance!

      Take care,

      Paul Lindquist
      IMHO, the 'method' of judging competition by using "in quotes" figures needs to be discarded firstly.

      That would be like judging the strength of competition of a horse race, boxing tournament or yachting regatta simply by the number of competitors.

      What matters is the QUALITY of the competition NOT the number. If you only had ten competing sites and they were all 10 year old authority sites with thousands of backlinks to the page/s you are trying to beat, forget about it.

      As you have hopefully read by now, that Article 1 in this experiment took 150 backlinks and 4 weeks to get a decent ranking and sale.

      Backlinking is a real 'tipping point' activity in my experience - a site can be doing nothing for months sometimes, despite constant backlinking, then one day, it soars. My gaspressurewasherhq.com site previously mentioned was exactly like that.

      The trick Paul is to keep at it with a bunch of GoArticles (30 is way too many, try under 10 to focus on at first) and eventually some/many will get to the top - IF you haven't picked fights with very tough opponents! Plus, make sure the keyword is in your title (preferably at the start) and throw an aff link in at the top of the article as per the pic above.

      With my WSO, I'll let other Warriors reviews of it on my WSO thread speak for its quality.

      IMPORTANT NOTE: Followers of this thread may be aware that I am tinkering with other backlinking and SEO stuff all the time. You can now follow those experiments, discoveries and discussions by dropping in here. It's all free, like this thread too.

      More coming soon and thanks for the above support...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Terry,

        So many of the things that you are saying in this thread about keyword research etc is SO dead on...I'm diggin it.

        Let me know when you get your WSO ready, if you need someone to review it and give a testimonial if it is warranted, let me know.
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        • Profile picture of the author TrafficMystic
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Terry,

          So many of the things that you are saying in this thread about keyword research etc is SO dead on...I'm diggin it.

          Let me know when you get your WSO ready, if you need someone to review it and give a testimonial if it is warranted, let me know.
          I totally agree on this.. I usually get the numbers and check competition within MS for domain age / dmoz etc.. before trying a niche.. whereas most people don't seem to do enough research in this area and end up wasting time creating sites for niches that are far too competitive...
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          • Profile picture of the author marlon
            Hi,

            I also loved the thread John did about his Adsense work. That thread and this one have to be the 2 best Warrior Threads this year....

            I don't even like seo because I don't have the patience or attention to detail for it. But this is a GREAT thread and your research is absolutely fascinating.

            In fact, I believe this is maybe the best thread I've seen on a forum. I don't go to IM forums a lot....BUT from what I've seen, you really have done a great job here.

            Congratulations on a marvelous contribution to the IM body of knowledge.

            Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author islander1
        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post




        IMHO, the 'method' of judging competition by using "in quotes" figures needs to be discarded firstly.

        That would be like judging the strength of competition of a horse race, boxing tournament or yachting regatta simply by the number of competitors.

        What matters is the QUALITY of the competition NOT the number. If you only had ten competing sites and they were all 10 year old authority sites with thousands of backlinks to the page/s you are trying to beat, forget about it.

        As you have hopefully read by now, that Article 1 in this experiment took 150 backlinks and 4 weeks to get a decent ranking and sale.

        Backlinking is a real 'tipping point' activity in my experience - a site can be doing nothing for months sometimes, despite constant backlinking, then one day, it soars. My gaspressurewasherhq.com site previously mentioned was exactly like that.

        The trick Paul is to keep at it with a bunch of GoArticles (30 is way too many, try under 10 to focus on at first) and eventually some/many will get to the top - IF you haven't picked fights with very tough opponents! Plus, make sure the keyword is in your title (preferably at the start) and throw an aff link in at the top of the article as per the pic above.

        With my WSO, I'll let other Warriors reviews of it on my WSO thread speak for its quality.
        Hi Terry,

        Thanks so much for answering my questions and for this thread. This is EXACTLY the guidance I needed for what I am trying to accomplish.

        Just an update-most of my 30 articles are indexed now and I have an additional 20 online. Your advice makes sense though-I guess I bit off a little more than I could chew.

        I will take my first 10 articles and try your method of adding 50 backlinks a week to each until I reach the top. Then I will move on to another set of 10.

        FYI-I neglected to mention in my question that I did look at the top 10 in each keyword for strength of competition, but I mainly just looked for what kind of domains occupy the top 10-all my keywords had at least 1 or 2 other GO Articles, a Yahoo Answer, Squidoo lens, or some similar domain.

        What I didn't do (cause I don't know how) is find out how many backlinks each of my competitors have and the quality of their backlinks. Do you know of a quick and easy way to do this kind of research?

        Thanks again, this thread is awesome!
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    Terry.

    Man you've inspired me so far

    This is pretty much just a fan message man. Keep up the work!
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    I just wanted to say that this is really one of the best threads ever!

    And thanks for that tidbit about the link at the top of Goarticles - I knew you could put links in the article body but never thought to do it quite that way! Gonna go try that out today!

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    Hi Terry:

    Some of what your are talking about is over my head and sometimes I feel like giving up because the lingo alone is hard to learn!

    BUT I know I can so I keep at it. Is there a book step by step anywhere? I'm doing a mix of things and then I got myself confused about what I'm doing. I have to sit down this weekend and write out my own steps! That's how confusing it can get. I thank the SEO gods for Snag it! as the pictures help me a lot when I'm reading and learning and going to sites as I do the stuff they ask.

    Thanks for your reveal.
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    Great stuff Terry, thanks for the info, it's already given me a couple of good ideas and got me more excited about IM! As an agency/consultant guy for over a decade, it's difficult to stop doing what I've always done (selling my time) and move to creating revenue from my own sites, but things like this are a real motivator.

    One thing, it may be because my membership hasn't been approved yet, but I can't find the "thanks" button?
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  • Profile picture of the author cmo140
    I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?
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      Originally Posted by cmo140 View Post

      I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?
      Hi cmo140,

      Let me take a shot at answering your questions.

      First, the WSOs (Warrior Special Offers) he's talking about are backlink packages sold by Angela, Paul and Terry. Here are links to all 3 threads so you can read up on them:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...of-inside.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

      Second, the idea of making $100 a day from GO Articles is to write and submit articles to goarticles.com (you must sign up first) in niches where there's some desperation like say "get your ex back" for example.

      Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

      Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

      The main thing I'm learning as a newbie like yourself is that the process can be frustrating-especially if you haven't proven to yourself yet that you can earn a consistent income with this method. Doubt creeps in and you sometimes feel like the whole thing's not worth it.

      So, it is important to be persistent with ONE method and not jump from one thing to another. If this is the method you choose, just keep at it until you see consistent income and try your best to avoid distractions. Seems to me this is the real key to success in this business.
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      • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
        Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

        Hi cmo140,

        Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

        Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

        Exactly

        Totally agree.

        Key is to stick with one method and work it

        because

        Many things actually WORK in internet marketing... but they work only when they are applied consistently.

        HOWEVER

        What I never liked about a business model where you publish articles on other people's sites and then build BACKLINKS to them... you are basically building another people's business (e.g. GoArticles)!

        It makes much more sense to me to build links to my own sites and have some assets, instead of promoting some other site.

        Sure

        (some) backlinking to articles makes a lot of sense and can help

        but I wouldn't spend all my efforts there as a business-model per se.
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        • Profile picture of the author magnusmora
          I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain.

          Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain.

          That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice.

          Terry - Whats your view on this?

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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
            Quick base touch while kicking back on the weekend:

            Originally Posted by jcbradley View Post

            Hey Terry,

            Great stuff, just found you tonight thanks to Steve hawkins new tool and saw his recommendation for your packets and love your other thread you have going on, too.. needless to say..you took me away from some valuable work time , haha, i needed a break...anyways..

            are you doing anything to get the pages you put your links on to get indexed? that seems to be one of the biggest issues.

            from a small experiement i did a few months ago, i had 240 links from one of the backlink packets and had one of my workers go through each one and find out which are indexed or not.. and only 80 --1/3 of the 240 has in fact been indexed and i had great results with it, too. i got #1 for a competitive kw where i was stuck at #7. i also used 3 links per site and after i got #1 on my main term, i started going after a few other terms.

            i wanted to see what would happen if i could get the rest of these pages indexed so i went out and got a bunch of PLR articles rewritten and then spun and submitted to free traffic and my article network..

            the results, i got up to around 190 pages to get indexed and rankings went through the roof, one of my kws stuck at #20 was #1 and held there for a long time till i ignored it for too long.

            i found firing links at where we have links not can help with indexing but also throws some link juice at it and keeps it from getting deindexed.

            ive had blogger and wordpress blogs no longer in the index after a few months of just sitting there and when i started to throw links at them, they are back indexed.

            curious to know if you do anything like this.

            i also have spot checked a few sites that are part of senuke list that i have used before senuke and went back and see if they were indexed still and i have found out some of these are no longer indexed, some are but some arent. that leads me to continually add content to them and fire links over there, too.

            like to know what you think of this strategy

            thanks,

            chris
            I've asked Chris to share more about his approach here.

            In fact, in the next couple of days I'm going to add another GoArticle in the niche and use FTS to gauge its effectiveness.

            I probably need counselling for my SEO experiment addiction!

            If that doesn't seem fair, I'll continue reporting results after the 'official' deadline of this experiment and thread. I have a feeling that this thread could be around for a while. Let's hope my girlfriend is still nice to me by the time it ends - if it ever does.

            Originally Posted by Preciseim View Post

            Hi Terry,

            IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents
            Yep, I still do it anyway in the absence of calling it anything else...

            Originally Posted by marlon View Post

            Hi,

            Check out:

            internet marketing secrets

            Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com.

            He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using
            internetmarketingstrategy.com.

            Look at:

            fat loss secrets

            thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also.

            search: "burn the fat"

            burnthefat.com is #1

            burnthefatblog is #2

            search: "guitar secrets"

            guitarsecrets.com is #1

            skateboard secrets

            search: "photoshop secrets"

            photoshopsecret.com is #1

            What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains.

            Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name.

            Marlon
            That's it Marlon. There's plenty of evidence to support AND contradict the importance of keywords-as-domain-name.

            Ultimately, you have to call your domain something so it may as well be the keywords I guess. It does show for experimental pages in a new niche, you can just a hang a page of an existing website and try it out rather than buying and hosting yet another site. Or does it?

            Originally Posted by marlon View Post

            Bro,

            Check out product launch formula in google.

            Search "traffic secrets".

            sales letter generator

            I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain.

            But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot.

            Probably mostly low range.

            IP DIVERSITY

            Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links.

            You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search.

            Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites.

            But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing.

            DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS?

            What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right?

            Marlon
            Keyword-in-domain?
            See my response elsewhere in this post...

            Sitewide links? Yep I see this in YSE and BLW too but every single time I've had a lot of links from one site, I've failed to see much of a SERP bump from it. Watch out for the free update of my WSO Marlon where I go into mega-backlink building strategies. They CAN be risky but the rewards can also be spectacular.

            Directory submissions? Watch Matt Cutts' embedded video below. In short, Google isn't very keen on them (he'll explain it).

            Originally Posted by JDCopper View Post

            Terry,
            For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use.

            Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher.

            Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher.

            I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

            BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)
            Well said JD. Also now there have never been more (free) tools to analyse competitors' sites and deconstruct them so testing all of these beliefs has probably never been faster.

            Originally Posted by mikkosant View Post

            Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too?

            Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article.

            http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995
            sorry don't want them getting a backlink...

            If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense.
            He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking.

            Welcome To The SEO Conundrum...

            Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.
            Yep MS, weird. I've actually looked closely at some of those EZA guy's 17000+ backlinks (if it's the one I'm thinking of) and a LOT seem to be from the same sites. One of my 2010 new year's resolutions along with getting better at playing guitar is to knock that guy off in the reverse phone lookup niche (on some other keywords).

            It is weird though the anomaly you mentioned, one of many in SEO!

            See above re: FTS!

            Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

            Dont confuse same site/domain name/url with IP's

            Your example proves domain diversity - not IP diversity [ IMHO ]

            Big Difference, especially in the efficacy and value of the backlinks.

            Much respect and props Terry - this is a tremendous resource thread.

            To your success,

            Steve
            Hi Steve,

            Glad you're here and sharing! Hopefully I did make it clear that I was talking about keywords-in-domain and IP diversity as 2 completely separate things!

            Incidentally I DO recommend Steve's links WSO here because I believe that over-reliance on any one resource can be risky. If PJ and Angela were out of the game tomorrow, it would be inconvenient.

            I also have an aff link to Steve's resource in my WSO report so I must believe in it!

            Originally Posted by yellowboy View Post

            Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing.

            Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.
            Thank you Mario. Nice work.

            Originally Posted by magnusmora View Post

            I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain.

            Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain.

            That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice.

            Terry - Whats your view on this?

            Cheers
            True MM. I could do that and anyone trying GA probably should do that. In a way, this experiment is slightly artificial for testing purposes but that is very good advice.

            If GA change their rules tomorrow or re-introduce those stupid bubble/text ads they trialled a while back (which murdered clickthroughs!), pretty much all backlinking effort would be lost UNLESS you were ALSO using it to add some juice to your own site.

            Originally Posted by RichIsSweet View Post

            Exactly

            Totally agree.

            Key is to stick with one method and work it

            because

            Many things actually WORK in internet marketing... but they work only when they are applied consistently.

            HOWEVER

            What I never liked about a business model where you publish articles on other people's sites and then build BACKLINKS to them... you are basically building another people's business (e.g. GoArticles)!

            It makes much more sense to me to build links to my own sites and have some assets, instead of promoting some other site.

            Sure

            (some) backlinking to articles makes a lot of sense and can help

            but I wouldn't spend all my efforts there as a business-model per se.
            Agreed. When GA ran that bubble ad experiment for a couple of weeks a few months ago, my income from there virtually disappeared.

            Dean Shainin, the 'bum marketing' EZA guy also talks about how for a long time, he submitted ALL of his articles there through ONE account. Then one day, EZA had a hissy fit about one of his articles and disabled ALL of his articles. Instantly all of his backlinking and income were flushed away and (from memory) he never got them re-enabled.

            On GA, I have a ceiling of 10 articles per alias account for that reason.

            Another GA option I mentioned in an earlier post is to only have links in your GA to a list-building AWeber page so that you keep the list and try to drive YOUR list to SEVERAL CB vendors in relevant niche/s.

            I don't think any business model should be too reliant on one resource (e.g. my IM income comes from a combination of Amazon as a publisher AND Associate, CB, PDC, CJ and PayPal and I use 3 different outsourcers at the moment). That spreads the risk or vulnerability around.

            Once you have a GA ranking well, you can make money from it in so many ways (that are harder than with an EZA article): CPA offers, Amazon Associates (especially around Christmas when conversions can hit 30%!), ClickBank, your own info product etc. Like a popular YT video, you can also always sell a profitable GA on Flippa.com or here on Warrior Forum.

            Consistency in action and results is everything as you rightly say.

            OK, now I want to cover a couple of problems that I have encountered on this journey as they might help save you time and frustration:

            [1] If you are targeting backlinks sites RELEVANT to your niche, make sure that there are actually enough of them to create a decent backlink blitz and that they have PR. If your chosen niche is slightly off-centre (or pretty obscure like 'baby ear thermometers'), you could struggle to keep finding quality places to leave your links. I know I have for Article 2 and it has used up more time than I would have liked!

            [2] With SENuke, which I am pretty green on, there are all these different conflicting strategies and theories for how it should be used - even on the SENuke forum itself. That has been, unsurprisingly, a bit of an immobilising experience.

            However, my strategy now is to post a couple of short 100-200 word spun mini-articles to about 28-30 Web 2.0 sites once or twice a day until the end of the experiment.

            Each mini-article will have 3 links (2 maximum for hubpages): one to GoArticle 3, one to the CB vendor with a 3OW tracking code (OW for Outer Wheel) and one to one of my inner circle of 'spoke sites'. According to Tom and Lemonarium, these inner circle sites should NOT be connected to each other so I'm going with that for now.

            I know from Google Alerts (one of my favourite tools) that Google picks up these new postings very quickly.

            In theory, that should give me 30-60 new backlinks a day and power my inner circle sites which in turn add power to the money site (this is sometimes referred to as a 'Pumper Site' strategy in SEO circles).

            However, these backlinks will be coming from the same 28-30 Web 2.0 sites so let's see.

            In a way, you could possibly look at SENuke as 'just' a big backlink builder.

            So why not use it instead of say, Steve Hawkins excellent program (non-aff link, BTW)?

            Probably the main reason is cost. SENuke is $127 a month (Pro version) and Steve's program is a one-off $37!

            I feel I haven't given SEN a fair go yet so am determined to do so from here on in.

            Also, I came across these Matt Cutts' (Google) videos on the excellent Google Webmasters' section of YouTube that I thought were interesting (especially if you can read between the lines!):


            Thanks for all the support and sorry if my response to PMs (I get a LOT of 'em) is slow - I'm working on it!
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            • Profile picture of the author HopeBiz
              Discovered your Experiment from a post by Marlon Sanders, thank you Marlon. This is one of those 'slap your forehead' moments in that nobody has attempted this before, to my knowledge. This is an incredible undertaking, one that should be required reading by anyone contemplating starting a monetized web site. My head is spinning from all the facts, figures, terminology, case studies, software programs, statistics, reference sites, logs, web alphabet lingo, individuals sited and lauded, whew.........
              Terry, THANK YOU for your incredible amount of documentation and dedication in creating an almost 'definitive' body of work on the actual inner workings of Internet Marketing.
              Can't wait for the final results.........
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              • Profile picture of the author nota-bene
                Terry.

                You, Sir, are a legend! I wanted to join the ever increasing number of people on this thread, and thank you for what is, without doubt, a fabulous insight to backlinking. I seriuosly can't thank you enough for the time you are spending on this, and for the level of detail in which you share your findings. I also second the motion for a 'buy me a beer' option, as you are deserving of many a pint!

                Keep up the great work!
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      • Profile picture of the author desireeaib
        After reading your post it hit me that people are backlinking their articles. What about their websites? Is this not advisable?


        Originally Posted by islander1 View Post

        Hi cmo140,

        Let me take a shot at answering your questions.

        First, the WSOs (Warrior Special Offers) he's talking about are backlink packages sold by Angela, Paul and Terry. Here are links to all 3 threads so you can read up on them:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...of-inside.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

        Second, the idea of making $100 a day from GO Articles is to write and submit articles to goarticles.com (you must sign up first) in niches where there's some desperation like say "get your ex back" for example.

        Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

        Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

        The main thing I'm learning as a newbie like yourself is that the process can be frustrating-especially if you haven't proven to yourself yet that you can earn a consistent income with this method. Doubt creeps in and you sometimes feel like the whole thing's not worth it.

        So, it is important to be persistent with ONE method and not jump from one thing to another. If this is the method you choose, just keep at it until you see consistent income and try your best to avoid distractions. Seems to me this is the real key to success in this business.
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          Originally Posted by desireeaib View Post

          After reading your post it hit me that people are backlinking their articles. What about their websites? Is this not advisable?
          Backlinking your domains is advisable. You need to keep in mind that Terry is focusing here on very specific niche keywords, and the fastest way to get that to the first page of google is through posting to article directories.

          If this was an experiment to really build up a niche, i'm sure it would be focused on his own domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently:

    "To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches.


    It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon."


    So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hi Terry,

      I really like your research-based approach.

      1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

      2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

      3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

      4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

      Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else?

      I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research.

      Best wishes,

      Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Thank you for all the positive feedback above.

        OK, sites are jumping around as new links are added, no additional sales on Article 1 (it's bouncing around between Page 1 and 2 at the moment so click-throughs are down).

        Let's look at some questions and statements and another popular SEO belief:

        Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

        Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently:

        "To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches.


        It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon."


        So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!
        In practice Jazbo, that looks to be absolutely right and that's what we should all be doing: testing and looking for proof (more on that below). If relevant links were what really mattered to Google, then Article 1 shouldn't be outperforming the other sites (so far) but it is.

        Originally Posted by marlon View Post

        Hi Terry,

        I really like your research-based approach.

        1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

        2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

        3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

        4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

        Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else?

        I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research.

        Best wishes,

        Marlon
        Hiya Marlon,

        Thanks for joining in.

        1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

        Unless a particular article goes crazily viral, it's hard to see wider publishing of your article building enough backlinks fast enough to give you some 'SERP juice'. What I particularly don't like about that method is that it relies on the actions of others to give your site power - it may happen, it may not. Instead of hoping that other webmasters will pick up one of my articles (which of course is a nice bonus if they do), I'd rather implement my own aggressive linkbuilding campaign.

        Let me give you further evidence of what I mean.

        In the revised version of my WSO due out in a week or so, I'm going to detail the exact method that big SEO houses use to aggressively go after super competitive search terms with millions of anchor text backlinks each year. Yes, I did say millions. Though it has a risky element to it in terms of getting slapped by Google, this free system has put a lot of sites at the top of Google for ultra competitive terms.

        In those cases, the SEO agencies and companies didn't wait around for their articles to (hopefully) go viral. They took their web destiny into their own hands. A viral article or two CAN be enormously powerful BUT it's probably a much more random and unpredictable outcome.

        To be honest, I haven't done much with press releases - I think Warrior Big Mike has a mass press release submitter - but I have seen mine rank well for a little while on their own but without backlinking, those pages soon sink off the SERPs. Also, I don't recall (I could be wrong) ever seeing a press release at #1 on Google for a particular search term.

        2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

        Hope I covered that above.

        3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

        Part 1 - no.

        Part 2 - duplicate content is something I am desperate to properly test and haven't so far because my IM models didn't depend on this issue. I haven't worked out my position on dupe content yet (from my own testing) but it IS on my very long 2010 'to do list'.

        However, I do feel quite strongly about IP Diversity e.g.


        In my experience, loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick. If in doubt, run this quick experiment: if you have a decent post count on Warrior Forum (e.g. in the hundreds), note the rank of one of your sites.

        Now add an anchor text link to that site from your Warrior Forum signature (one that wasn't there before of course). That should now be giving that site hundreds of extra links from all of your past posts across the archives etc of WF. I'll bet that there's hardly any (or no) upward movement.

        Watch it for a week or so and see what happens. It does seem that links from the same site (regardless of how many) basically add up to one 'vote' backlinking-wise.

        I may have gone off topic there!

        4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

        I don't unfortunately. It would have saved me a lot of work Marlon!

        OK let's tackle another BIG SEO theory.

        This is the one where you should make sure that your keyword phrase is in your domain name. You hear it everywhere but does it stand up to scrutiny on Google? Sometimes beliefs become self-perpetuating 'truths' regardless of the 'facts' (such as the fallacy of searching for the number of your competitors by doing a search "in quotes" for example).

        Now, I am not attacking anyone personally here, if putting the keyword in the domain works for you (I still do it out of habit!), then great.

        But let's look at the top 3 results (the ONLY competition you should be concerned with) for 5 different competitive niches. Will the keyword be important in the domain names of these winners?

        Let's see:


        #1 does not have 'debt relief' in the domain or page title. #2 does have debt relief in the domain. #3 only has the word 'debt' in the root domain.


        #1 does not have the term 'make money online' in the domain but it is in the page title and page file name. #2 has 'money maker' in the blogspot domain and the search term in the title of the blog. #3 does not have 'make money online' in the domain but it is in the page title.


        'Reverse phone lookup' does not appear in the domain of any of the top 3 sites and the search phrase does not appear uninterrupted in any of the 3.


        Here, 'lose weight fast' is not in the root domain of any of the top 4 sites but is in every page title and sometimes in a subfolder name and page file name.

        OK, last one:


        'Get rid of acne' does not appear as an uninterrupted string in any of the domain names of the top ranking sites for that term. Again, it is in the page title and page file name.

        I really did think of 5 random niches to check and I am sure that I could find some terms where the top sites did contain the exact search term in the domain.

        BUT

        Is it essential to have your keyword in the domain? I'll let you judge the results for yourself but hopefully it's food for thought!

        IMHO, page title, file name and relevant backlinks should be your main focus.

        Interesting, huh? Love to hear your thoughts and experiences with keywords-in-domain.

        Another reminder: Followers of this thread may be aware that I am tinkering with other backlinking and SEO stuff all the time. You can now FREELY follow those experiments, discoveries and discussions by dropping in here.
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        • Profile picture of the author oZestretch
          This has been a great read so far...

          One thing about the keyword in domain... I think it is a MUST HAVE when you are not doing much of anything else.

          If you have little or no unique natural backlinks, then it proves to be a savior!

          Why/How can I say this?

          I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP

          (this is google.com.au)


          (this is google.com)


          Of course, try altering the order of the words and my site disappears from the ranks. But a half dozen people each day click on me from that search term around the world (shame I keep postponing the release of the product.... oops sorry).

          You will notice the other 2 do not have it in root domain/sub domain or folder or even page name. Also Mine is not a .com... the dreaded .net (but that is a separate debate)

          So yes, do all of them if you can (but can't always get keywords in root domain without going with a crazy long domain name ).

          My 2.2 cents (damn GST)
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        • Profile picture of the author vitalgirl
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          In the revised version of my WSO due out in a week or so, I'm going to detail the exact method that big SEO houses use to aggressively go after super competitive search terms with millions of anchor text backlinks each year. Yes, I did say millions. Though it has a risky element to it in terms of getting slapped by Google, this free system has put a lot of sites at the top of Google for ultra competitive terms.
          Terry, you sold me on that paragraph :-)

          This thread is excellent btw. I only just bought Angela and Pete's linking packages, having sat on the fence a bit. Now I'm off to outsource some of it :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandy Cormack
          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post


          OK let's tackle another BIG SEO theory.

          This is the one where you should make sure that your keyword phrase is in your domain name. You hear it everywhere but does it stand up to scrutiny on Google? Sometimes beliefs become self-perpetuating 'truths' regardless of the 'facts' (such as the fallacy of searching for the number of your competitors by doing a search "in quotes" for example).

          Now, I am not attacking anyone personally here, if putting the keyword in the domain works for you (I still do it out of habit!), then great.

          But let's look at the top 3 results (the ONLY competition you should be concerned with) for 5 different competitive niches. Will the keyword be important in the domain names of these winners?

          Let's see:

          (snip)

          Is it essential to have your keyword in the domain? I'll let you judge the results for yourself but hopefully it's food for thought!

          IMHO, page title, file name and relevant backlinks should be your main focus.

          Interesting, huh? Love to hear your thoughts and experiences with keywords-in-domain.
          Terry,

          I'm not sure if your conclusion from this data search is valid, for a couple of reasons.

          1. Does the URL for those keywords even exist? Without finding the website in question and analyzing it, it would be very hard to determine if we're comparing apples and oranges.

          2. I've done the same kind of research for several of the niches that I have targeted. What I find quite frequently is the domain name is parked for resale, often in the $3000 range. So there is no website with the keywords in it, and the cost of establishing such a website is high.

          As I posted before, others have determined that there is some relevance. For instance, Google "blogging tips" and your first result is bloggingtips dot com. So it seems to me it is part of the equation.

          I would say that, all other things being equal, having the keywords as the domain name gives you a boost. In other words, if you can get the domain name, fine, but that doesn't relieve you of the need to do all the backlinking etc. You might get there faster, or with relatively less links, or whatever.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by Sandy Cormack View Post

            I would say that, all other things being equal, having the keywords as the domain name gives you a boost. In other words, if you can get the domain name, fine, but that doesn't relieve you of the need to do all the backlinking etc. You might get there faster, or with relatively less links, or whatever.
            I agree with this 100%.

            Is having the keyword in your domain essential? Absolutely not, but it does sure make your life easier.

            Unfortunately in the more competitive niches all of the exact domain match domains are taken (even if the easy ones these days), so we have to make due with the domains we can get.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preciseim
    Hi Terry,

    IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents
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    you need a 'buy me a beer' button in your sig. It's the best thread ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Bro,

      Check out product launch formula in google.

      Search "traffic secrets".

      sales letter generator

      I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain.

      But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot.

      Probably mostly low range.

      IP DIVERSITY

      Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links.

      You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search.

      Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites.

      But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing.

      DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS?

      What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right?

      Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author JDCopper
        Terry,
        For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use.

        Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher.

        Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher.

        I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

        BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)
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        • Profile picture of the author Hereandthere
          Originally Posted by JDCopper View Post

          I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.
          In 2001 or so or so I registered training-dogs.com. I put up the header with the url in it, but I didn't write any content. I was busy with my then-day job at the time. Maybe two months later, I wondered what competition I would have for training dogs and I did a GG search. My site was #1, and it stayed there without content or later with minimal content for months.
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          • Profile picture of the author SMS
            Very interesting thread here.

            BTW... this still happens today. Pages with no content rank on first page of Google, even when the keyword does not appear in the domain name or URL.

            Originally Posted by Hereandthere View Post

            In 2001 or so or so I registered training-dogs.com. I put up the header with the url in it, but I didn't write any content. I was busy with my then-day job at the time. Maybe two months later, I wondered what competition I would have for training dogs and I did a GG search. My site was #1, and it stayed there without content or later with minimal content for months.
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            • Profile picture of the author JDCopper
              Still lovin this thread Terry. Note to those of you who have chimed in on whether or not the domain name is relevant / worthwhile / important, please let me point out that it is your title tag that is winning that keyword, not your domain name. If you want to test it, change your title tag to something else and see if you still rank there after a month. Even better, change another site you have to use that title tag and watch it out rank the one with the domain name, but not the title tag.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sowemimo Oladele
    Terry,

    With all what you are working on, you still find time to screenshot and paste them in warrior forum.

    You are really doing a great job....Thanks man
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too?

    Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article.

    http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995
    sorry don't want them getting a backlink...

    If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense.
    He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking.

    Welcome To The SEO Conundrum...

    Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Dont confuse same site/domain name/url with IP's

      Your example proves domain diversity - not IP diversity [ IMHO ]

      Big Difference, especially in the efficacy and value of the backlinks.

      Much respect and props Terry - this is a tremendous resource thread.

      To your success,

      Steve


      In my experience, loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick. If in doubt, run this quick experiment: if you have a decent post count on Warrior Forum (e.g. in the hundreds), note the rank of one of your sites.

      Now add an anchor text link to that site from your Warrior Forum signature (one that wasn't there before of course). That should now be giving that site hundreds of extra links from all of your past posts across the archives etc of WF. I'll bet that there's hardly any (or no) upward movement.

      Watch it for a week or so and see what happens. It does seem that links from the same site (regardless of how many) basically add up to one 'vote' backlinking-wise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
    Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing.

    Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hi,

      Check out:

      internet marketing secrets

      Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com.

      He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using
      internetmarketingstrategy.com.

      Look at:

      fat loss secrets

      thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also.

      search: "burn the fat"

      burnthefat.com is #1

      burnthefatblog is #2

      search: "guitar secrets"

      guitarsecrets.com is #1

      skateboard secrets

      search: "photoshop secrets"

      photoshopsecret.com is #1

      What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains.

      Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name.

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  • Profile picture of the author imlogic
    This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else...

    I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site.

    For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation".

    The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hereandthere
    I've just come across this thread and read it all from start to finish. I'm so glad you have taken the advice given early on NOT to disclose your niche yet. In my mind, that makes the tests far more valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready?

    A couple questions to make sure I am clear.

    When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

    Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

    Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

    What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?
    I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

    Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?


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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      OK, things are pretty busy now - understandably - but wanted to update and answer a few questions.

      Firstly, from a PM to me:

      1. Firstly i wanted to know if you can achieve 1st page results for terms that say have a soc of 10 and below using the type of link building you talk about in your ebook. I know that things are unpredictable but i am talking about your experience, does it happen often or do you need to do other link building.

      Not sure which program you are using to gauge SOC - Micro Niche Finder, Keyword Elite etc. However, make sure that any SOC calculation takes backlinks into account. At the moment, I don't believe that MNF does that but I'm pretty sure that KE does. You can also use SEO Quake and SEO for Firefox to dig into competition too. Look at links to the specific page you are trying to beat and remember that Google ranks pages not sites e.g.

      no matter how much authority or backlinks with completely different anchor text Wikipedia's page on chimpanzees is, it will never rank for a golf club search. That might sound obvious but I mean DON'T assume that because an about.com site page is at #1 for a niche you want to go after and you see that the WHOLE about.com site has 400,000 backlinks, look closer and see how many backlinks are going to the SPECIFIC page you have to beat.

      If you are serious about getting to #1 on Google, your only real competition is the ONE site currently there - forget all about that search "in quotes" stuff.

      Develop you OWN 'SOC' criteria - look at site age (more on that below with my experiment articles), page backlinks, .edu page backlinks, .gov backlinks, backlink IP diversity and anchor text targeted.

      How?

      SEO for Firefox: site age, page backlinks, .edu page backlinks, .gov backlinks

      Backlinkwatch.com: backlink IP diversity (or at least links on same domain) competitor anchor text

      2. Can you please give me an example of one of your sites (not go article) where you only use the profile link building, where you are on page one, please tell me how many profile links you did in order to get there.

      Sure. Amazon.com: Small Business Ideas: 400 Latest &...Amazon.com: Small Business Ideas: 400 Latest &... (targeting 'small business ideas').


      According to Yahoo Site Explorer, it has roughly 1300 backlinks - reported! More like over 2000 though. If that isn't a goldmine of backlink sites I just handed you, I don't know what is!

      That is a slightly competitive term and you probably won't need that volume for Page 1 - it all depends on your competition.

      I just want to analyze the soc and so on in order to see how effective the profile links really are.

      Knock yourself out bro!

      3. Also i would like your opinion on xfactors ADSENSE course if you know about it? Its basically to look for ultra low competition niches- make a 5 page website (must be about products) - then write about 2 ezine articles for each page so that you can get other webmasters to publish your article and therefore your link.( this should give IP diversity right?) - You need to make about 50 of these and you should be above $100 per day minimum.

      I don't know that AdSense course but I'm sure there are reviews of it over in the Product Reviews sub-forum of WF.

      5. Do YOU think this is a decent plan that has potential to work, especially if i add say 2 profile links per page on the sites.

      If it fits with XFactor's methodology and that process is proving effective. I say more about backlink volume below.

      6. Is internet marketing your full time job - i basically want to know if what methods you use has the potential to give someone else a full time wage.

      Yes and yes. Though I plan to get really good at guitar, form a band next year and knock off Coldplay as the world's biggest band!

      I would respect your opinions - i am very comitted to making a full time living from internet marketing, i also live in uk actually ( london) not that its relevant :-)

      Glad to help. You definitely CAN make a fulltime living in IM but try to make the financial transition a gradual one from your J-O-B. Overnight success is pretty unlikely BUT if you invest the time in your 'IM degree', you should eventually start honing the specific skillset and translating that into money. Don't forget too that there are loads of different ways to make money in IM so try to find ways that are a natural fit for your personality.

      Originally Posted by imlogic View Post

      This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else...

      I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site.

      For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation".

      The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.
      Hi IML,

      That's a valid point though I do have one WP blog in the first 4 tests and one in my other 'secret 4'. More will be revealed on that soon.

      This experiment is one of many possibly configurations and I heartily encourage you or other Warriors to run an experiment here which I would love to follow based on a bunch of WP blogs.

      Interestingly, that GA authority isn't helping Article 2 with its relevant backlinks at the moment - it's coming last so far!

      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready?

      A couple questions to make sure I am clear.

      When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

      Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

      Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

      What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?
      I thought feeds were for a number of articles.


      Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?


      Thank you!
      When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

      More like posting a profile link to an acne product on Billboard.com's social community (for music discussions).

      Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

      You can definitely do it manually and/or RSSBot but the time and labour involved may make you suicidal after a week!

      Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

      Interesting! I've never tried to do that but I will try to put links to EZA from one of my GoArticles this week. I'll post the results here.

      Let me also add that in the past I have used mass article directory submission very aggressively. The actual mass submission program was amazing and efficient BUT I never found much of a rankings bump from it.

      What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?

      Yep you can use the service here to create an RSS feed from any page on the web (mentioned in an earlier post). Make sure you validate your feed here too so that it will work.

      I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

      Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?

      In my last post, Matt Cutts from Google talks about their attitude to directories (they don't like a lot of them). If you're committed to this approach, try the $299 option - subject to editorial approval - to the Yahoo Directory.

      Love to hear if other Warriors have had success with the $299 yahoo Directory listing?

      Next Issue - Backlink Volume In Your Competitors' Sites vs Yours?

      Now when checking out potential competitors, it's very easy to get carried away with the vulnerability of some niches because they have hardly any or 0 REPORTED backlinks.

      We see hardly any backlinks in some top 5/top 3/#1 sites in a niche and all the party lights go on and we jump in. Now of course a lack of REPORTED backlinks is great BUT isn't just a mathematical race.

      For example, Article 1 in this experiment now has 250 decent backlinks. It has been as high as #4 on Page 1 but is presently sitting low down on Page 2 for its term.

      That of course affects our business model because traffic is not going through our hoplinks at the same rate as when we were high up on Page 1 (and made that sale) e.g.


      Now on a purely mathematical level, there are presently articles from Buzzle and EZA with either very few reported backlinks or 0 above my 250-backlink article.

      Huh?

      Now if backlinking or SEO was a purely mathematical backlinks 'arms race', the moment I had one more equivalent PR backlink than the site above me, my site would immediately jump above them.

      But that just doesn't happen!

      Instead, my theory is this. (Everyone's got one!)

      Google (via Matt Cutts etc etc) is always yabbering on about 'authority sites' (which they adore).

      And a genuine, real, true, authentic authority site only gains real, authentic authority over time (it kind of mimics the 'real world' in that sense). Not necessarily years but time.

      The halo of authority is NOT established by suddenly having 9000 links (of course there are exceptions to this rule as TMZ proved in the MJ case).

      And all we are really doing with backlinking is SIMULATING authority.

      Yes Google loves fresh content but often that content disappears down the SERPs pretty quickly (Digg, for example).

      That's why patience is SO important while - through backlinking - we build or simulate the halo of authority through widely diverse backlinks.

      Sometimes this happens quickly, a lot of the time it doesn't.

      In a way, this is an experiment in using 4 different methods of simulating the halo of authority in order to rank.

      For Test 4 - the WP blog powered by SB101 is at #26 on the Live search network but still failing to gain traction with Google.

      So in this process of backlinking - simulating authority - we need to adjust our expectations so that we can ride out the 'tipping point' on the backlinking journey.

      The tipping point is the stage in backlinking when SERP rankings start moving up massively, sometimes tens or even hundreds of places. Nothing happens for a while and you might feel bored, frustrated and like giving up.

      BUT DON'T!

      In the recent past, I have had over 40 different sites on Page 1 of Google for their desired search terms and they ALL had one thing in common: their rates of progression all varied widely!

      They ALL took a different timeframe to build their simulated halo of authority.

      I have less than that on Page 1 now as I'm focusing on a smaller number of sites (at last - says my my saintly-patient girlfriend).

      At the moment, our 4 test sites (and the secret ones) are still building their authority status. In a way, that seems almost unrelated to the actual volume of backlinks (especially compared to higher competitors) but eventually that WILL even out, the authority status will be established through time and CONTINUOUS backlinking and we will get high search engine rankings.

      Hope all that yabbering on helps and feel free to keep firing questions (if I've missed yours, please put it in again) and don't forget that "Thanks" button on the bottom right - if you haven't already!
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  • Profile picture of the author LoanShark
    Wonderful post Terry! I guess I will jump on for the journey as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      This is kinda off-topic but when I originally posted this thread in the main discussion, a mod pushed it over to the 'Mind/Success' sub-forum and not many Warriors got to benefit from it so I'm reposting it here:

      How I Got Stephen "7 Habits" Covey To Endorse My Book For $10 ('Sales' Letter Included)

      Here is a valuable marketing lesson for fellow Warriors.

      A while back, one of my books, "400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World" was released through Amazon on a tiny marketing budget (read virtually ‘zero’).

      As a result, getting quality endorsements for the book was critical.

      So far, the book has received great endorsements from Duncan Bannatyne (from BBC’s “Dragons’ Den”), the Editor of “Real Business” magazine, David Meerman Scott and, and more recently Stephen R. Covey, Author of The “7 Habits of Highly Effective People” & “The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness”.

      Dr Covey has stated for marketing use that my book is "A marvelous resource for anyone looking to start a business—packed with good ideas, including the pros and cons of each concept." I can use this endorsement in all marketing materials, web promotion, on the cover etc

      How did I get these endorsements including Dr Covey’s?

      Simple. I sent them a copy of the book and a polite letter asking for it.

      Total cost: about $10 each.

      I almost had the “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” guy on board (with the same letter below) – it didn’t work out and I’ve had a few ‘no's’ (e.g. Richard Branson) on the way but the ‘yes’s’ are marketing gold that money couldn’t buy (these guys are multimillionaires).

      The moral of the story is that we should never talk ourselves out of an opportunity without at least trying.

      One important tip: Make sure the envelope you send with the letter in is stamped "Personal" or "Confidential" to give it a chance of reaching the inner circle of your target.

      Here’s the actual approach letter I used - hope this helps you and PM me if you need further advice on this kind of approach

      ATT: Dr Stephen R. Covey
      2200 West Parkway Blvd
      Salt Lake City, UT 84119

      Dear Dr Covey,

      RE: POSSIBLE ONE-LINE ENDORSEMENT OF NEW BOOK FOR ENTREPRENEURS

      As a long-time fan of your work and the London-based author/editor of the enclosed new entrepreneurial small business title,

      Small Business Ideas:
      400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World
      2008/09 Edition
      (ISBN 9780955898907)

      I was hoping that you could briefly peruse the enclosed book and consider a one-sentence endorsement of it.

      As this unique book encourages entrepreneurship and self-empowerment - much like your own inspiring works - it seems like the kind of publication you might consider endorsing. In a way, this book also celebrates the remarkable brilliance of business and product innovation around the world today and offers the necessary information for entrepreneurs to contact these individuals and organisations.

      A one-line endorsement by yourself - if kindly given - would thus be used on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and on future editions of the book. The book has just been released on Amazon.

      Your kind recommendation would also be a tremendous help to a fellow entrepreneur, albeit one further down the ‘food chain’ than yourself.

      If considered favourably, such an endorsement can be sent through e-mail to me via terrykyleXXX@yahoo.com or by the fax number above.

      Sincere thanks in advance for your time Dr Covey and feel free to contact me in Britain on +44-XXXX-XXXX if you have further questions.

      Best regards


      Terry Kyle
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      • Profile picture of the author marlon
        Hi,

        Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research.

        Thought you might like this:

        Search Engine Ranking Factors | SEOmoz

        They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer
        the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good.

        Marlon

        PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done!

        Did you print the book with Lightning Source?
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  • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
    Terry,

    Shared this in your other thread so I thought i would post over here...

    Dont mind sharing at all. I have 2 different ways I am using Free Traffic - FT and My Article Network - MYAN. Both ways are to get links back to the sites where I have links. The first way is for the backlink packets. What I do here is to take a PLR article on any topic, i get it rewritten twice and spun using magical article rewriter bc it will output the articles with the FT and MYAN codes.

    I then link up 1 keyword in the middle of the article and at the end of the article I put.. article by...name..and learn more about him here. I link up name and the click here part. I am not looking to get these pages ranked, I am just wanting to get them indexed and fire a little bit of link juice to these sites. My thinking is by having a few links each month going there way, it will help it not only get indexed but stay indexed. I have seen indexed pages fall out off google index a few months after they been indexed.

    Why... my guess is no content being added and no links pointing to it. and it will also keep the cache date fresh. I know Jerry West teaches when you are looking for places to link, always check the cache date and make sure its under 30 days.

    Now free traffic allows you to rotate links per keyword. so i will put in anywhere from 3-8 links per keyword. Same thing at my article network. FT allows you to post up to 40 blogs, my article is unlimited but spreadout over a few months. so if i use 8 links per keyword, that means each link will get posted to 5 blogs at FT and probably more at MYAN. each article is allowed 3 links. so thats a total of 24 links per article and i usualy submit the same article to both sites so i am getting 48 links for one article. now i only do this when i have already fired links at these sites. I usually start with 3-5 links per keyword.

    Now the 2nd way i use FT and MYAN is i take the article i had written that is keyword focused, then get it rewritten twice and spun again but this time I am using these to go after more specific web 2.0 sites, mainly sites from SEnuke and a few sites that mark dickinson uses from his WSO. For these, i am using about 3 links per keyword so i am getting more links per site here.

    This 2nd part is new. What i am going to do is monitor the rankings and see if any of these sites start to rank and then maybe get a few more links thrown their way.

    When I first did this about 4 months ago, I had 240 links and only 80 were indexed, after doing this, i was able to get about 190 sites indexed and rankings all went up alot. I still keep doing it but havent tracked it like i did in the beginning, though after every run of this, i do see a bump in the keywords i have targeted.

    im also going to start to use FT and MYAN to link back to my site and see what results i get. I konw there is another wso on here that only uses FT and is getting results. probably goes back to the whole IP diversity thing

    one frustrating part is when you see a page not indexed and it has 40 links pointing to it. i had a wordpress.com blog that i had unique content on and dont know why i couldnt get it to get indexed so i threw another round of links and then it finally stuck but i know not all pages where get links on will get indexed and thats why its a numbers game.


    One other tip I will throw out here, especially for those using senuke. i get a 500 word article written, i ask them to break it into 2 parts so each part can be its own article. so i am getting 3 articles out of one 500+ article so i can then submit the 2 parts to one account at the social netwwork sites and then take the full version and submit at a new account at these sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Thanks so much for sharing that Chris ("jcbradley") - brilliant!

      Originally Posted by marlon View Post

      Hi,

      Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research.

      Thought you might like this:

      Search Engine Ranking Factors | SEOmoz

      They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer
      the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good.

      Marlon

      PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done!

      Did you print the book with Lightning Source?
      Thanks Marlon - interesting and a part of putting the pieces of the SEO 'puzzle' together.

      Yes my 2 books on Amazon are through Lightning Source (the quality of the books is very good) and as the writer/editor AND publisher with LS, I get more than 50% of the Amazon retail price. That's WAY more than a writer with a 'normal' publisher would (where royalties are scandalously low).

      The only drawback in that deal is that royalty payments are made 4 months after the initial sale but once the monthly direct payments are coming in, that's not a big deal.

      Now, as you read this, a new secret experiment is going on backlinking wise with a new GoArticle in the niche. I'll reveal that specific process in my next post but it's sort of different to all the others. What I will say is that 12,000 backlinks are being built to a brand new GoArticle tonight. Yep tonight. I'm as curious as you see how that goes!

      Anyway, with the other sites, while loads of backlinks are being built, stability in the SERPs is still not there but I think it's very useful to analyse the metrics we do have so far.

      I once heard one great discriminator for the difference between a failing business and a succeeding one - the successful company is fully aware of every metric measurement related to its business and the dud one ain't.

      Yes, setting up tracking metrics and checking that stuff is a drag and pain in the backside a lot of the time but it's not as much of a drag as 'failure'.

      In my own IM journey, once I got my focus OFF financial goals and ON to metric targets, ironically I started to do a WHOLE lot better. Weird, huh?

      So let's look at the very latest CB Analytics and see what we can deduce (some of which might be disproven later):




      What conclusions can we make from these stats? Remember that after 123 hops, we switched to a different CB vendor though Tracking Code LWHEEL is still to the old vendor.

      I really should have changed all those to the new CB vendor AND given them all a unique Tracking Code. Shame on me.

      So far, the most successful type of link (in terms of getting hops to the order form) by far is the one like this between the headline and article itself:


      If you have a GoArticle, you really should try this type of link and also add a unique CB Tracking Code to it so you can track it.

      In a way, if you have picked up nothing else from following this experiment, this ONE tactic could make you a lot more money - IF you are driving CONSISTENT traffic to that GoArticle!

      You can buy me a beer when you visit London next!


      That's what I feel is necessary in IM instruction - "microdetails" like this and which I will (when I get the time in the next couple of days) go into more in my free SEO Backlinks Diary which you can join in right here.

      Even if this experiment stopped right now, that is something you could apply straight away and use to boost your IM income - the evidence is apparent up above there...

      So, from our CB Analytics for the entire experiment period, we can also see that:

      SENuke's Web 2.0 links ("lwheel" and "art3ow" for Outer Wheel) are not driving hops through to the Order Page at all.

      This is another crucial factor in your IM business model: finding traffic that converts well.

      For example, in my experience, I find YouTube traffic terrible for conversion. I'm not saying that's true on all products for all IMarketers, just my findings.

      I also find Amazon traffic outside of the Christmas period (when I get 30%+) disappointing in terms of conversions and the commissions are tiny. I'm actually getting out of Amazon Associates affiliate stuff for that reason. And a 24 hour cookie is just too stingy!

      Yes you do get incidental sales of unrelated items from affiliate links (e.g. someone comes through your jewelry aff link and buys an AC/DC CD) but I think to do it well requires total focus and long-term resources. Just my opinion there and if you're succeeding financially with Amazon, more power to you!

      Also our CB analytics show that Bio Boxes (they end in a "C") on ALL the articles in this test have failed to deliver 1 Order Form impression!

      Wow!

      How much potential value is lost from Ezine Articles where only a Bio Box link is permitted (or is it one link after the first 2 paragraphs? I forget as EZA isn't one of my business models).

      It would actually be interesting to see a similar kind of experiment to this one with EzineArticles.

      Site 5 (it's a secret and is actually using a strategy that involves no backlinking whatsoever) has delivered 19 hops BUT no Order Form impressions thus far. I''l reveal what's going on there soon.

      All in all, there are actually 7 experiments in all going on, not 4 (no wonder my girlfriend is grumpy!):

      #1: IRRELEVANT LINKS >> GoArticle
      #2: RELEVANT LINKS >> GoArticle
      #3: SENuke >> GoArticle
      #4: Warrior Ken Fry's Social BookMarking 101 >> New WP site
      #5: No Backlinking at all >> New WP Site
      #6: 12000 Mega Backlink Blitz Overnight >> New GoArticle
      #7: 1500 Backlinks over next 4 Weeks >> New GoArticle

      I've looked really closely at doing Free Traffic System too and definitely wanted to but my resources are already at maximum so I'll have to save that one for another time and document it for my free subscribers.

      Soon I will go into exactly how Tests 5, 6 and 7 are being powered.

      Two Final Points for tonight before I hit the sack:

      [1] IM guy Joe Lavery promotes a CB system "Response Dynamite" (you can watch his video here - this is not an aff link but you can learn some good stuff here; I don't know Joe personally and have never met him or corresponded with him) whereby he advocates AVOIDING ClickBank vendor's order forms and setting up your own copycat page of the vendor - ethically dubious I know but bear with me - BECAUSE his testing, according to him, shows that there is too much FAILURE in the tracking and reporting of sales from a CB vendor's order form.

      Now technically I don't quite know (yet) how Joe does this with a DIRECT order page to ClickBank but he argues that a much more accurate sales reportage takes place that way.

      When I look at my top affiliate link in Article 1 (Irelevant Backlinks) giving me 4 Order Form Impression Counts and only 1 sale, Joe might have something there (trying not get sued by CB here!) though that could be a little premature.

      Point 2

      In these 7 tests, I have deliberately avoided using my normal backlinking tactics but instead have gone with the 'normal', conventional method of building juice to these test sites. Why? Simply to avoid any later accusations of bias in the running of the experiment.

      Remember, we are focusing on the metrics here and learning from them. We are looking for "hops>order form impressions>order form submissions>sales>no/low refunds".

      Party on and I WILL be starting my brief SEO Backlink diary notes in the next day or two - signup link above. These won't be affiliate link spamfests just brief diary notes on cool new tools, tactics and tricks I'm monkeying around with at the moment.

      See you there where my first 'diary entry' will be about a shocking new 'game changing' (sorry about the cliche there!) platform for backlinking that I will (hopefully) be launching in Q1 2010. It's top secret. Ssshhhhh.

      (the signup link is above).
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    Great work Terry. You are an information powerhouse. BTW how do you get thousands of backlinks overnight?
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hi

      How you have time to do these amazing, detailed posts, run your business AND see your girlfriend, I don't know.

      You're inspiring to all.

      I've learned a lot about seo from you!

      I'm surprised SE Nuke hasn't done better in the short term. In the long run, I figure Google will catch up to the link wheels and spun content.

      Marlon
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Hi Terry,

    Great thread...Just a few quick questions (and thanks for taking time to answer everyone"s questions)

    ~ On articles at an article directory: If I put two links in an article and point them at different pages on my own website, do I get credit for both. Or does it really only count as one since it is going to the same website and coming from the same article?

    ~ On Angela and other backlinks. Should these links be directed to page with the Keyword you want to be known for or the home page of the website or a mix? And how much do these links really count when they have no content with them? If you have 10 keywords for 1 website then you would need to post links for each of these keywords on each site?

    ~ Would blog and forum Commenting links count as much as other links?

    ~ Did you try backlinking from Go to Ezine articles? I tried it..cant get it to work.

    ~ Does Senuke have auto backlinking to different sites recommended in these packets each month or is their auto posting to directories and web2.0 only?

    ~If you through backlinks at an article that has not been indexed yet..do those links count later when it has been indexed?

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author slvrsrfr
    Hi Terry,

    Loving this thread. It is very informative and I'm looking forward to the results.

    In your previous post you mentioned that you aren't doing any of your usual backlinking strategy.

    Might I ask what your usual backlinking strategy is?

    Cheers,

    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Yes please ....we all want to know your usual backlinking strategy
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    • Profile picture of the author J smith
      Great thread Terry, lots of great info here.

      As for goarticle's signature box not delivering any hops, I find GA's ctr for the resource box is horrible compared to other 2 article directories I use. We are talking like 10% of EA's ctr for the exact same article. Not sure why it is that way, but that's been my experience with GA.

      I am curious how you are going to make 15000 links
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  • Profile picture of the author esh
    Terry,
    Did you use xrumer program to create those 12000 backlinks overnight? 'cause i heard people say its a spam tool that goes around creating links on all types of forums, blogs, guest books, photo galleries etc and can create 30,000 backlinks in 6 hrs. But the tool is expensive at $540!

    Regarding, backlinking platform that's on your mind, if you get to do one, i will be your first customer
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  • Profile picture of the author Big JP
    Great stuff Terry, thanks for clearing the RSS creation too.

    All the best

    JP
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  • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
    "I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP"

    Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?)

    I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this.
    According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore.

    I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps.

    I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree)
    #1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 110,000
    #2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 116,000
    #3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 | Age 12 | Back links 64
    #4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 | Age 1 | Back links 31
    #5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 | 7 months | Back links 12
    #6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 | Age 6 | Back links 9290
    #7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 | Age 9 | Back links 33,100
    #8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 | Age 1 | Back links 6770
    #9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 | Age 0 | Back links 2290
    #10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 | Age 6 | Back links 1210

    Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase.

    So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive. But, overall you could own that serps page if you incorporate backlinking to your site, article about your site, and video (youtube) about your site. Don't just try to get your site to number 1, try to take the top 5 spots through articles, blogs, and video-- that's how you dominate!

    SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson.

    Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.
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    • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely...
      I also agree. But a site should have a variety of backlinks and anchor texts to look more natural, but of course somehow the main keyword should be included on a number of incoming anchor texts... It's all a fine balance.
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    • Profile picture of the author oZestretch
      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      "I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP"

      Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?)

      I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this.
      According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore.

      I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps.

      I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree)
      #1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 110,000
      #2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 116,000
      #3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 | Age 12 | Back links 64
      #4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 | Age 1 | Back links 31
      #5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 | 7 months | Back links 12
      #6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 | Age 6 | Back links 9290
      #7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 | Age 9 | Back links 33,100
      #8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 | Age 1 | Back links 6770
      #9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 | Age 0 | Back links 2290
      #10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 | Age 6 | Back links 1210

      Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase.

      So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially in for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive.

      SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson.

      Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.
      Yes, I am Adam

      I believe google will display slightly different results depending on your location (or the location of the closest google server to you) even though we both searched on the exact same domain. I read this a long time ago in this forum. So where I see #2, you see #5... but I searched right now, and still see #2.

      As for the pending side, I have purposely not made the site 'known' until I knew where I was going with it (that and the coder stopped coding :S). I should have listened to Ryan Lee and not got a 'mate' on the job.

      Totally agree with backlinks being the holy grail, in 2002 my first website gained a pr4 status ... I had no idea what that was then or how to get it.. I figured every site was like that as I did nothing special, or did I? Turned out, all those little posts back to my site worked in my favor! I thought I was just killing time.

      BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
      Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon.

      #1 Rule for SEO - Keep it human!
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    • Profile picture of the author cringwall
      What a fantastic thread this is becoming! Thanks for all the fine work, Terry!
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        I've been reading this thread with great interest over the last few weeks - thanks for all the hard work you've put into this project Terry, and thanks for keeping us updated with the results
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    terry this is a great read on here without any bells and whistles you see on some other people's posts, i really like what you are doing, i actully copied one of your tactics on the feedage part to directory on the early page and now my site i used (which is in my sig link)has beaten 44 million webistes on 2 certain keywords, also have backlinked this month with a few warriors help like gang-buster's and just got outscourced up to 1,500 links a month also.

    without your help by this post i'd still be in the dark ages of seo so thank you for this infomation you hold on here you have helped me quite alot

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  • Profile picture of the author spaxton1
    "BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
    Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch


    Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

    BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

    Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

    P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)
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    • Profile picture of the author jcbradley
      You are right about PR not affecting rankings, Jerry West will always update when new PR drops and says look at your rankings and traffic. Most time they are never affected.

      As for your advice on continual backlinking, i know from my own experience you HAVE to. plus i think its common sense.

      I was doing angelas backlink packets for 2 of my main keywords and had #1 for both these keywords for a good 6 months but then "forgot" about these for a couple of months, didnt get any backlinks and then i dropped out of the #1 spot. in one keyword, i dropped to #7. but with more backlinks, gained #1 for both kws again.

      one note here...after getting #1, you do not need to be as aggressive as you were, i call this a maintenance phase.

      Chris

      Originally Posted by spaxton1 View Post

      "BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
      Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch


      Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

      BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

      Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

      P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Gosh - so many things to talk about!

        Incidentally, Article 3, the SENuke driven one is now holding steady at #6 on Page 1 of Google for its search term. That's a little low for traffic though and I've started this second strategy for it from the SENuke forum from Joe (I think), one of the SENuke creators/owners.

        I'm posting it here because I believe it shows the right level of 'microdetail' and may inspire you :

        Here's the steps I have given them, you might find these useful:

        1. Choose a product

        1. Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank ->Marketplace->Category->Pick product with grav at least 60
        2. Make sure alexa rank of product is less than 300,000
        3. Look over sales page and make sure it's good. if something has an alexa ranking of less than 100,000 then its good.
        4. Create hoplink->Clickbank nickname = [your clickbank id]
        5. Copy and save the link at the top... called the "affiliate link"

        2. Keyword Research

        1. Brainstorm a keyword that people would use to search for your product.
        2. Open up SEnuke and type that keyword (max 4 words) into SEnuke: "Keyword to research" box.
        3. Search for->Keywords on Google keywords tool.
        4. Type captcha and click "get keyword ideas".
        5. Wait for page to load... make sure keywords are relevant or try another keyword.
        6. Click on "copy keywords for batch research".
        7. Click on "Find competition".
        8. Now you will pick a keyword to target. Make sure difficulty rating is "extremely easy" or "easy". And search count is at least 100. Higher the search count, the better. ALSO, make sure that the keyword has a "Search count for the past month" associated with it. If a keyword has a search count for the previous month, this improves reliability of the average search count (from my experience). Even better, use this trick to find a great keyword: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1121
        9. Also, make sure keyword is relevant.
        10. Double click keyword that is either extremely easy or easy... with highest search count... to copy it to clipboard.
        11. Save this keyword for future reference.

        3. Writing article

        1. SEnuke->Social Network Nuke->Type in keyword at top
        2. "Download article from Ezinearticles"
        3. Go to preview tab.
        4. Keep clicking button until you find an article between 300-400 words.
        5. Read that article, and make sure that you can talk about the product in the article.
        6. Once you find a good article that you can use to promote the product, you will change the article.
        7. Go to "Create spinner article" tab.
        8. Select a sentence, go into "edit box", press Enter after the initial sentence and type in a replacement for that sentence. Type 2 sentence variations and press "Apply". All sentence variations should say the same thing.
        9. Repeat this for the entire article, re-writing every sentence 3 times.
        10. After this, click the "Check Uniqueness" button. Make sure uniqueness is at least 30%.
        11. Copy the "title" into the beginning of the article and add 2 sentence variations. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 appears exactly as it is written in the title of the article, preferably twice. For example: "Phone reversal, Use phone reversal to find out who that cell phone belongs to."
        12. Cut and paste the title out of the article into the "title field" again.
        13. Write a sentence at the top of the article to motivate people to click and go to product sales page.
        14. Right-click on sentence and click on "add link to selected anchor text".
        15. Paste your affiliate link in here.
        16. Now select everything from <a... to </a> and right click and click on "Bold selected text".
        17. Click on "preview sample article" tab to make sure you get a bolded link.
        18. Now copy that link and paste it to the bottom of the article as well.
        19. Find an image to use for the product (like a box cover or something) and add that near the top of the article by right clicking in the article editor and selecting "Add image.." and pasting the image URL. This image can be usually found on the product sales page.
        20. Underneath the image, write 5 key problems that the product solves. Underneath these 5 points, add your affiliate link again, with a "click here" anchor text.
        21. ALSO, near the bottom of the article, write a statement like "Other sites worth checking out".. press Enter and on the next line add this piece of code:
        Quote:
        #randurls[4|1|new line|]#
        This piece of code adds random links to other submissions that you've done in the past, to build backlinks for them.

        19. Think of 5 words to put in tags that are related to your product/article and make SURE that the keyword you chose in step 2 is the first of these words. (separated by comma).
        20. Take your keyword and change it to one word without spaces (copy it into the article body). Re-write this word 4 different times using hyphens, numbers, and letters. The keyword MUST appear in here exactly as you chose it. Click apply and cut and paste this back into the domain field.

        4. Submit article.

        1. Select "blogspot". Make sure nothing else is selected, and click Start.
        2. Wait for captcha and enter it and press continue. Let the program finish.
        3. Click on "copy URL list" after submission is completed, and save this for reference. This is your blog URL.
        4. Go back to the article, delete the link at the top and the link at the bottom.
        5. Now write a sentence at the bottom which is inviting, something like: To perform a reverse cell phone lookup and find out who that number belongs to, please check out this phone reversal website.
        6. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 is in that sentence exactly as it appears. Now add 2 variations to this sentence as well using the edit box.
        7. Right click on the keyword + a couple other words if required and click on "add link to selected anchor text" and paste your blog URL.
        8. Now you are ready to submit the article.
        9. Click on the "select all" checkbox at the top and select appropriate categories for the article. Update: DON'T select the article directories, only the social networking sites.
        10. Then click on "Start!"
        11. If border turns yellow, it wants you to enter the captcha and press "Continue". Use the "pause" feature at the top if you can't enter the captcha easily.
        12. Once submission report comes up click on "Save report" and save it somewhere.
        13. Now click on "Send to pinger". Then click on "Start pinging!" and wait for the pinging to finish.

        5. Submitting social bookmarks and RSS feeds.

        1. Click on "social bookmark nuke" tab. Click on "use sites from last social network nuke submission".
        2. Change setting: Bookmark 2 random websites.
        3. Copy title and tags from social network nuke to social bookmark nuke.
        4. Type a small one or two sentence description. Something like: Ever wanted to know who that certain cell phone number belongs to? Then check this out.
        5. Select all websites, choose a Digg and Propeller category, and click Start!
        6. Make sure you have about 6 browser windows running at the same time by clicking the "New browser" button repetitively. Then click on "Tile Vertically" So that you can see all the windows.
        7. Every time a window turns yellow, click on "Pause" at the top to stop everything and enter the captcha. Then press continue. After entering all the captchas, press Unpause.
        8. Wait for all windows to turn blue.
        9. Click on "Rss nuke" tab.
        10. Copy tags over, change setting to submit 2 RSS feeds.
        11. Click on "use RSS feeds from last social network nuke submission." Make sure all the websites in the website list have to do with your keyword.
        12. Select all the websites, choose categories, and hit Start!
        13. If border turns yellow, enter captcha, and do everything else like you did before. Wait for all windows to turn blue.

        ALL DONE!
        One final step: Go into social network nuke, save project. Now wait about 1 week to start seeing affiliate sales in your clickbank account. Rinse and repeat


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