How is possible for a phrase in quotes to turn up way more web site pages than without??

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I was looking at a particular keyword phrase just now and when I entered it into Google with quotes it turned up 5,130,000 pages but when I entered the same phrase without quotes it turned up only 218,000.

How is that possible?

I mean for the exact phrase to be found on 5,130,000 pages but for the words in that phrase to be found on only 218,000 pages? That makes no sense.

It's a 3 word phrase but still...anybody got any ideas as to how this is possible?

I almost missed it. But out of curiosity I checked it further and it turns out to be what looks like a winner.

Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author tguillea
    My guess is that the estimations are wrong. In my experience, Google messes up numbers every now and then.

    or maybe with quotes it will return multiple results from the same domain, whereas without it will only return one?

    Just guessing... that's bizarre.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlos123
    Yes it is bizarre. Just out of curiosity I have tried a number of other three word phrases and as expected the number returned with no quotes is larger, usually much, much larger than that returned by search for the keyword phrase in quotes.

    This is completely bizarre. Some engineer could probably use this to derive some reverse engineered tid bit of information about Google's algorithm.

    Carlos
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

      Yes it is bizarre. Just out of curiosity I have tried a number of other three word phrases and as expected the number returned with no quotes is larger, usually much, much larger than that returned by search for the keyword phrase in quotes.

      This is completely bizarre. Some engineer could probably use this to derive some reverse engineered tid bit of information about Google's algorithm.

      Carlos
      Those numbers are approximate numbers derived from a probability calculation using a relatively small sample dataset. If the sample dataset has an unusual concentration of certain words it could throw this calculation off by quite a bit.

      Just keep in mind that it's not a real number but just an educated guess. when you dig deeper you will find that those numbers are usually way overstated. It's better to think of them as indicators, not real data.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Out of curiosity Don how did you learn so much about all this? How long have you been doing this stuff?

        Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

          Out of curiosity Don how did you learn so much about all this? How long have you been doing this stuff?

          Carlos
          Hi Carlos,

          I'm actually a slow learner, I started in IM in 1995, but I think I've already forgotten way more than I currently know. I sometimes find myself saying "I used to know that."
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          • Profile picture of the author carlos123
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hi Carlos,

            I'm actually a slow learner, I started in IM in 1995, but I think I've already forgotten way more than I currently know. I sometimes find myself saying "I used to know that."
            Ahh...there's hope for me yet! I am a somewhat slow learner too Don. Unlike you probably had I have the benefit of this forum and the nuggets of experienced wisdom being shared with me that make my learning curb much easier.

            Of course the market has become much more competitive too.

            Carlos
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            • Profile picture of the author paulgl
              As usual, dburk is right.
              The numbers do not mean diddley when put in that "overall" context.
              Google is a search engine. In fact, they created that concept and
              ran with it. They pride themselves at not just coming up with
              a bunch of pages, but a bunch of pages that matter, then a select
              group of pages that matter to the searcher, then sifting that even
              more to be just "meaningful" pages. Too many people put too much
              stock in seeing something like "..found out of about 5,400,500 pages."
              When there is no way google would ever even give a second
              look at a fraction of those. And putting things in quotes does not
              always work as intended. Again, google runs it through its search
              engine brain and still tries to narrow it down. Even if you put things
              in quotes, and put two words together, some results will have a space
              because google thinks these are relevant for what you want. And many times the
              overall stats don't match up with the all important ones that google
              will emphasize. Remember as well that google will always say "out of about.."
              There's a lot that happens behind the scenes when people search on
              google. It's that behind the scenes stuff that makes google, well, google.

              Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Korona Studio
    glad that I'm not the only one experiencing this..
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    • Profile picture of the author mejohn
      I had the same problem with one of my targeted phrases. Much higher estimates with the quotes.
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