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What happens with Sidewiki and pages you've tagged with "noindex" so they don't get indexed by Google?

Can someone still leave a Sidewiki comment on that page?

If so, will Google then index that page?

In other words, will your content then be indexed even though it has been tagged as "noindex"?
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  • Profile picture of the author designfuschion
    I don't know enough about noindex..but this is an interesting idea.

    Does noindex mean pages don't get indexed in google,but will for other SE's?

    In my opinion,if google manages to index pages that aren't indexable,once again thats encroaching on the right to choose to use a search engine. especially if the use the iframe. (iframe example page 5 or 6 of the If you want to take a stand against google..sidewiki thread)
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by designfuschion View Post

      Does noindex mean pages don't get indexed in google,but will for other SE's?
      Yes for Google. Yahoo also obeys the noindex tag. Don't know about Bing.

      But, you might be able to display the noindex tag based on the spider. So, when Google's crawler comes along, your site shows the "noindex" tag. When another crawler comes knocking, you don't show it.

      In my opinion,if google manages to index pages that aren't indexable,once again thats encroaching on the right to choose to use a search engine. especially if the use the iframe. (iframe example page 5 or 6 of the If you want to take a stand against google..sidewiki thread)
      Exactly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    If someone comments with sidewiki on your noindex marked page...

    That sidewiki comment shows up in their sidewiki profile along with a hyperlink to that page.

    The sidewiki profile is indexed by google and public so anyone can find your pages that have been commented on via a sidewiki profile...

    So if you are using noindex to hide thank you pages etc...

    Good luck ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      If someone comments with sidewiki on your noindex marked page...

      That sidewiki comment shows up in their sidewiki profile along with a hyperlink to that page.

      The sidewiki profile is indexed by google and public so anyone can find your pages that have been commented on via a sidewiki profile...
      But, will they see the page? For example:

      Google Sidewiki entry about Vaccine controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      If that Wikipedia page was mine and I had it set to "noindex", would it display alongside the comment as it does in the above example, or will someone need to click a link in order to view my page, and then they'd see it without the comment?

      So if you are using noindex to hide thank you pages etc...

      Good luck ;-)
      I use DLGuard for that.

      But then what's to stop someone from sharing their download link on my front page until time and/or download attempts run out?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Maybe I need to rephrase the question...

        Say what you want about the Sidewiki toolbar feature, but, when it comes to the way the Sidewiki comments are indexed, I do not think it is right at all that our page is trapped within an iframe in the search result. The way I see it, they're using my content to rank their content plus my content potentially (and probably) higher in the search results.

        I don't want my page trapped in an iframe.

        Is there a way to prevent that from happening? Will noindex do it? Is there an iframe breakout script that will do it? Do I need to add password-protection on the page? Block Google's spiders? Do I need to tell Google to de-index my site and keep it out to do it?

        Anyone know what can be done?
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  • Profile picture of the author designfuschion
    I wish i knew more about iframes/javascript. etc.

    From the sounds of it,it doesnt sound like it can be possible to break out of the iframe..if the toolbar isn't optout and the content from the sidewiki is used in iframe.

    I don't think securing every page would work..imagine the number of potential readers/rss subscribers on blogs..if you had to approve every reader? Not to mention complicating setting up sites.

    From my limited coding knowledge..the only way (apart from courts telling google they can't frame..) is to boycott google/deindex all sites on google..and market madly to everyone the reasons or at least marketers can start telling their own audience(perhaps before dumping google) to use another search engine etc.

    I'm not familiar with what third voice could do,and whether the same tech was used..or even if what google is doing is the same as a website owner framing a site.
    From the looks of it,i'm guessing google from all the spidering,has duplicated the site,and hosting it on thier own server.

    How on earth do you stop a search engine,thats not just a search engine from hosting copies of your site on their server?

    Too bad there wasn't a hacker somewhere on this planet that could do it -rofl!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by designfuschion View Post

      I don't think securing every page would work..imagine the number of potential readers/rss subscribers on blogs..if you had to approve every reader? Not to mention complicating setting up sites.
      My thought would be to put the whole thing behind a membership site.

      The way I see it, Google is moving away from being a partner in helping to provide you with an audience and is now moving toward being a competitor for the interaction and community you have built.

      I'm thinking a solution might be to build a "gated community" around your website. Something like the club house little boys used to have in their tree house; only instead of "No Girls Allowed", it would be "No Google Allowed".

      The question is what is the most effective means of doing that?
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  • Profile picture of the author designfuschion
    I agree. It does indeed look like google is forcing this "gated community" approach.

    effective means could be-
    *educating the public why "your/the site" is moving towards a membership. (i.e. we need to inform any customers why they need to sign up becuase google is forcing this change / i/we the site owner supports a freedom from harrasment internet etc etc)

    The problem with gated communities(if this then occurs with all current sites/blogs)..alot of smaller operators will have to close,essentially leaving the 'bigger boys' in town so to speak, becuase of the so called trust factor.

    Any current memberships will benefit becuase it then creates a situation in the customers mind "why would i want to leave example1.com for example2.com?" Which further makes a mockery of google wanting to clean up trash on net,becuase then there would be all out wars on spamwiki,trying to convince people to come to their sites.
    Don't forget about what the possibilities with Wave are. I was reading this
    Google Wave of the Future Revolutionizing the Web

    This is interesting also. Google's Sidewiki Profiles Internet Users? | InventorSpot

    The problems we're facing arent just with sidewiki,but with wave also.
    Will wave be able to blocked? will it be delivered via the sidewiki?
    It's looking obvious that google wants to data mine everything we're saying.

    Then,looking even further ahead,once the majority of sites are gated..things will evolve to a point where customers/visitors will resent it and websites will have to open once again..and if the whole sidewiki thing isn't resolved..google wins. (if it get's to the point where site's have to be gated.)

    Imagine the data google will get..if everything a person does is centralised on their servers.
    We're heading towards a monopolised and censored internet.
    I just hope enough marketers wake up to it.

    hmm..the only other effective solution that i can think of right now is,we start promoting other search engines.

    Pretty much this is what everyone would need to do-
    1. There are already people working on blocking/redirecting scripts.
    2. Promote other search engines
    3. Educate the masses
    4. boycott all google products.
    5. petitions and making organisations aware of whats happening.
    6. Educate your own customers on goog is doing/pitfalls and why the site/s is changing.
    6. Change all our sites into 'gated communities'.

    BUT- what about those of us who have salespages? Is this the death of the ebook?
    No one would want to get a password just to read a salespage on a product they might or might not want.

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