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The Google Dance Thread

by Liam Hamer
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Every single day of the week there are threads here and on the main internet marketing section about our sites suddenly disappearing down the pages of Google and the other search engines. I thought it might be useful to have one thread where we could all share in our sweating and squirming over our sites ever important positions :p Basically, no naming of keywords or site urls are needed - just explain where your site is, where it was and how long it has been dancing. We can also post about our relief when our sites come back to the front page, stronger than ever This will hopefully put everyone else at ease who is currently experiencing the Google(or other search engines) dance for their site(s)

My first site is a new one - 4-5 weeks old. It was steadily on page 1 of Google for it's main keyword term, fluctuating between positions 8-10. 8 or 9 days ago, it disappeared from the front page and hasn't been back since. I don't know exactly where it is now, but my guess is it is back on page 10-20 or so. Interestingly, it appeared in Bing at the weekend, in the number 1 spot. It's disappeared from there too. I've been doing everything right in terms of backlinking and SEO so hopefully it'll be back soon.

My second site is almost 3 months old, and has been moving upwards in the SERPS quite rapidly in the last month, from position 420, to a high of 17 this morning. This is for a pretty competitive term too, with a strong top 10. Hours after I saw the 17th position, it disappeared The sooner it comes back, the better - if I could just get on the front page I'd be confident of getting some very good organic traffic. I'll keep this thread updated with any changes

(Just to point out in case anyone asks - both sites are still indexed by Google with the site: command, I've never had a site sandboxed )

OK, over to you Feel free to share your misery, worries and hopes for the future of your dancing sites
#dance #google #thread
  • Profile picture of the author InternetMarketingIQ
    In 2008 Google made 450 tweeks to their ranking algorithm. That's a whole lot of "dancing" to keep track of... so what's the point?

    Might as well watch the Dow Jones go up and down. Not a good use of time either.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by InternetMarketingIQ View Post

      In 2008 Google made 450 tweeks to their ranking algorithm. That's a whole lot of "dancing" to keep track of... so what's the point?

      Might as well watch the Dow Jones go up and down. Not a good use of time either.
      I figured it'd be better than having 5 threads on the same topic every day, and we can share our experiences in a light hearted kind of way
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        A number of threads on this very subject today, but no love for mine :p Both my sites are still dancing
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    One of my sites seems to be having the last dance right now. It was in position 3 for weeks, then suddenly dipped onto the bottom of page two, and now today, bang suddenly back on page one.

    All I did as just keep building steady, varied links, a blog post per day and a content page twice a week in the hope that it would come back as strong, and it seems to have done so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      One of my sites seems to be having the last dance right now. It was in position 3 for weeks, then suddenly dipped onto the bottom of page two, and now today, bang suddenly back on page one.

      All I did as just keep building steady, varied links, a blog post per day and a content page twice a week in the hope that it would come back as strong, and it seems to have done so.
      That's similar to my strategy - new content every few weeks, varied backlinks etc. When my sites dance they don't just drop down a page like yours though - I'm kinda jealous :p
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      • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
        I have a site about a year old and I have neglected it for a wee bit then started adding content and backlinking about 4 weeks ago and was site was nicely rising in the serps and had over 10 decent keywords on page 1.

        Then on sunday bamn, all that traffic dissapeared and it seems this is only happening to pages I am backlinking to...I have used rankcheker and for the keywords I was doing well I am now around position 150 or not even in the serps....

        Now I am just continuing with adding fresh content and building more backlinks and hopefully the site will bounce back again...

        I have also made a site reconsideration (even though I havent done any black hat) and site still ranks for some older more established post...
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        • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
          I read somewhere that most 'dancing' occurs in the last third of each month - can anyone shed some light on this?
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          • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
            It's coming up to 2 weeks now that one of my sites has been dancing The other one, almost one week. I know it's only temporary, but it's starting to concern me.
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        • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
          Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

          I have a site about a year old and I have neglected it for a wee bit then started adding content and backlinking about 4 weeks ago and was site was nicely rising in the serps and had over 10 decent keywords on page 1.

          Then on sunday bamn, all that traffic dissapeared and it seems this is only happening to pages I am backlinking to...I have used rankcheker and for the keywords I was doing well I am now around position 150 or not even in the serps....

          Now I am just continuing with adding fresh content and building more backlinks and hopefully the site will bounce back again...

          I have also made a site reconsideration (even though I havent done any black hat) and site still ranks for some older more established post...
          Hi Sherry

          I had something very similar to this happen to one of my sites too and it came back. I neglected the site for few months and it was doing pretty good. Then I decided to start promoting it a bit again and it completely disappeared... It came back eventually, but it took at least one month! Not just few days or a week as some people report. And I have not done any black hat thing at all, I built like 20 profile backlinks to it from HI PR web 2.0 properties.

          The moral of the story? Keep on building links naturally, even if you have been dropped...

          It seems to me even that Google wants to put you on the test...

          If you build some backlinks and your site is supposedly good quality... then you should still continuously get some backlinks from people who think your site is great... If you suddenly stop building links because you got scared... that may just be the sign for Google that something smells funky :-) So... keep building backlinks NATURALLY even if your site dances a bit.
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          • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
            I am one happy crazy woman today coz from the little traffic I am getting I now have about 90 subcribers and checking my stats today I have 2 sales worth about $60.

            Its just so encouraging and I cant imagine how it would be getting one thousand a day organic traffic....

            I have been getting a little discouraged because everytime I start building backlinks on a posts it just disappears off google and they havent resurfaced. But these sales man, they have given me a kick....Its like when I first made sale.

            Moral is, just to keep at it and more backlinking, surely google cant keep dancing with our sites. I notice on my old post which have been on site for atr least 6 months, when I build backlinks they are rising nicely so I am sure with time my site will really bounce.

            Off to building more backlinks. LOL
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            • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
              Update - my main site(the 2nd one I mention in my OP) has returned and is sitting at number 37 in Google. It danced for 8 days. I'm wondering if 17 was a false position, and it was that high due to freshness of content(I added a new article every few days a couple of weeks ago). I honestly feel the site deserves a place in the top 10, so I'm going to do my very best to get it there. It's pretty frustrating that Google can pull your site into oblivion like that though, but at least it was only for 8 days and not weeks/months The first site I mentioned in my OP has been nowhere to be seen for 17 days now
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  • Profile picture of the author carlo_sim
    Actually i am one of the guys that opened up a thread on this one. My site was a month or 2 months old and is in Google page 1 position 6 then just this month it suddenly disappeared too. I have experienced this with another site of mine too but my recent site hurt me the most since that site is converting...
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Few things to consider:

    1. Is your site new?
    2. Do you have duplicate posts or articles on your website?
    3. How many articles did you post when your site is new?
    4. Do you have many high PR authority links?

    If your site is only posting 2 or 3 articles / day, and no duplicate content, you should be concentrate to build authority back links.

    Building high PR backlinks is critical at initial stage, what you need is not just link juice, but "trust" rank from Google. That's why many new sites are not showing or staying on their ranking, because they lack of "trust"!

    Just keep building a lot of good links, high PR and if possible, related content links. These would help your site to gain "trust" fast and unlock the link power from other sites. Without the "trust", all link juice are ignored!

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  • Profile picture of the author carlo_sim
    My site has plenty of backlinks and i really dont know why it dispappeared... how many articles should we post in order to gain trust from google?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      What people call a google dance is just normal, everyday, search engine fluctuations.
      I do not believe there is a google dance, no more than a bing dance.
      On any given day, your competition may outrank you.
      On any given day, you may slack off, someone else picks up the pace.
      Google (and I suppose bing now) prides themselves on giving the most
      relevant, up to date, fresh, bold, fantastic, websites in the results. So why would
      you think for even one minute that your site is going to stay put?

      With millions of websites created each day, it is no wonder why some people
      go up and down. Seems rather normal to me.

      I think people are crazy when they think google does something nefarious with
      their website SERPs. Same is true for a sandbox, slap, etc.

      Did you ever think that it is actually your competition that is sandboxing,
      slapping, and making your site dance?

      If a doctor tells you to take this pill. You don't. And you die. Does that mean
      the doctor killed you? Is the NFL sandboxing the Detroit Lions? Or is it their
      competition? Or maybe even their own lack of skilled players? You signup for
      the Boston Marathon. You train hard. Unfortunately, your comp trained twice
      as hard. You finish in the back. Who sandboxed you? The Boston Marathon?
      Your competition? Or you?

      Put google in perspective.

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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by giansim View Post

        My site has plenty of backlinks and i really dont know why it dispappeared... how many articles should we post in order to gain trust from google?
        If you are relying on article directories, you need as many high PR directories you can have... Try Angela backlinks to your site, especially when your site is new, you need a lot of authority sites pointing to you to gain "trust", when you have trust, all links will be counted, beautifully !!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Artful Surfer
    "So Google, save the last dance for me"
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  • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
    When I build sites, I give it 3-4 possibly even 5 months for it to settle. You'll know whether your you've done a good backlink campaign.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      But what will you "know" after 5 months?

      You'll know where you are after 5 months. That's it.
      You won't know where you will be the next day.
      Then you'll come back and talk about the google dance.
      Oh don't get me wrong. Some of you will! But those who
      know will not be worried about any google dance.

      And we just go around and around.

      Ask yourself this: Why are the Dodgers not in the world series?
      Because MLB sandboxed them? Or maybe, just maybe, they just
      were not good enough? They are now back to square one.
      They need to improve during the offseason. They need to work harder.
      They need to scrap to get back up. MLB did not do any dance.
      Whoever wins the world series, they are #1. For a while. But if they
      don't keep up, keep improving, keep the same players, get other ones,
      they will not be #1 this time next year. And they cannot blame that on
      any MLB dance. And the Dodgers cannot cry foul over some MLB slap.

      But we continue to ignore the fact that people are working harder, or
      as hard as us. So when we lose out to better websites, we cry google
      slap, google dance, etc.

      So when google slaps you, sandboxes you, dances with you, you have
      nobody to blame but yourself. Google did absolutely nothing to you.

      How crazy would we be thinking of the Dodgers if they said, "We did
      not make the world series bacause of a MLB penalty."

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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    good to note at least something is happening. I too have been adding lots of content and continue building backlinks but my site is still in the doldrums...Hope I will have good news soon. I am planning on a major backlinking building campaign this month and just trying to see how best to do it and also try and outsorce some of it...

    regarding you first site which is new...it can be a battle to come back in the serps. With the site I am working on...I did lot of backlinking when it was new then a month later, it disappeared and must I say ignored it and it just reappeared after about 3months and now its disappeared off again but this time I am gonna see it through
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

      good to note at least something is happening. I too have been adding lots of content and continue building backlinks but my site is still in the doldrums...Hope I will have good news soon. I am planning on a major backlinking building campaign this month and just trying to see how best to do it and also try and outsorce some of it...

      regarding you first site which is new...it can be a battle to come back in the serps. With the site I am working on...I did lot of backlinking when it was new then a month later, it disappeared and must I say ignored it and it just reappeared after about 3months and now its disappeared off again but this time I am gonna see it through
      I think one of the keys(as others have mentioned) is to keep link building and adding content consistent. The very best of luck with your campaign and keep us updated

      In terms of the first site I mentioned, it's really frustrating because it's a seasonal(Christmas actually) site - it was getting 20-30 hits per day organically in early October when it was at position 10 for it's keyword. Right now, it could be getting double that and in December possibly in the hundreds if it was in the top 3. It's very frustrating, but all we can do is keep at it
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Did you try building links more consistently? Try to build the same or similar amount of links everyday for the next 7 days, should minimize the dropping effect?
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Did you try building links more consistently? Try to build the same or similar amount of links everyday for the next 7 days, should minimize the dropping effect?
      Before it was dancing, I was building links pretty consistently, each and every day via profile links, blog commenting, RSS, Directory Submissions etc. Admittedly, since it's been dancing I haven't been as consistent, but I'm getting back to it now
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        Within a couple of hours it seems my site has danced again, it's dropped from 37 to 52 :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

          Before it was dancing, I was building links pretty consistently, each and every day via profile links, blog commenting, RSS, Directory Submissions etc. Admittedly, since it's been dancing I haven't been as consistent, but I'm getting back to it now
          Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

          Within a couple of hours it seems my site has danced again, it's dropped from 37 to 52 :confused:
          Don't worry, trust me on this - Just keep building authority links, make sure your site don't have duplicated posts and not posting too fast.

          At this moment - NEVER EVER do any on page optimization to your problem page, it will trigger Google Filter and your site would be penalized for longer period!

          Just find out what is wrong with your site using web master tools, and meanwhile keep building links - consistently, again, trust me on this, your site will be back, very soon!
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          • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post


            At this moment - NEVER EVER do any on page optimization to your problem page, it will trigger Google Filter and your site would be penalized for longer period!
            I am getting a little scared now coz I did on page optimisation on quite a few of my pages and damn I hope my pages arent going to stay there too long...all i have power to do is just more backlinks as a revenge to google

            Liam dont you feel like not checking your stats and ranking. I have found myself addicted to checking rankings and stats and me thinks thats unhealthy but its just hard not to....maybe its time we stop checking the blooming rankings....they just distract and discourage our backlinking efforts
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            • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
              Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

              Don't worry, trust me on this - Just keep building authority links, make sure your site don't have duplicated posts and not posting too fast.

              At this moment - NEVER EVER do any on page optimization to your problem page, it will trigger Google Filter and your site would be penalized for longer period!

              Just find out what is wrong with your site using web master tools, and meanwhile keep building links - consistently, again, trust me on this, your site will be back, very soon!
              Thanks Kok - sounds like great advice To be honest, I have been tweaking my sites on page SEO - altering meta tags, editing posts to put more instances of keywords etc No more though

              Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

              I am getting a little scared now coz I did on page optimisation on quite a few of my pages and damn I hope my pages arent going to stay there too long...all i have power to do is just more backlinks as a revenge to google

              Liam dont you feel like not checking your stats and ranking. I have found myself addicted to checking rankings and stats and me thinks thats unhealthy but its just hard not to....maybe its time we stop checking the blooming rankings....they just distract and discourage our backlinking efforts
              I don't think I'd be exaggerating when I say I probably check my rankings 20+ times per day I think we should try to limit ourselves to just once a day, it'll probably reduce the stress too. I'm going to try and do it on a morning only, what you say is absolutely right
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              • Profile picture of the author Mgriff
                google dance vs. sandbox

                So, I have a new small affiliate site, made it to #3 on page 1 of google for my keyword within 1 day, stayed there for a few days, now is completely de-indexed (doesn't show up even when search domain name.)

                Could this still be the google dance? Most people on here say their sites drop to like page 20 or something, not completely de-indexed.:confused:
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                • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                  Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

                  I am getting a little scared now coz I did on page optimisation on quite a few of my pages and damn I hope my pages arent going to stay there too long...all i have power to do is just more backlinks as a revenge to google

                  Liam dont you feel like not checking your stats and ranking. I have found myself addicted to checking rankings and stats and me thinks thats unhealthy but its just hard not to....maybe its time we stop checking the blooming rankings....they just distract and discourage our backlinking efforts
                  If damage is done, let it go, just concentrate on building more authority links, I found that Google just love links, and it seems like every time build more links, the site back in order ... a lot faster! Just my sense, not sure if this is real?


                  Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

                  Thanks Kok - sounds like great advice To be honest, I have been tweaking my sites on page SEO - altering meta tags, editing posts to put more instances of keywords etc No more though

                  I don't think I'd be exaggerating when I say I probably check my rankings 20+ times per day I think we should try to limit ourselves to just once a day, it'll probably reduce the stress too. I'm going to try and do it on a morning only, what you say is absolutely right
                  I would suggest once a week is enough Just do more constructive work like creating content or backlink building...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
                    Update - my main site has jumped from position 59 to 22 in the last 24 hours I'm hoping this time, it's going to stay and go even higher. (I know I've gone back on my promise to only check my rankings weekly ) I'm doing the following on a pretty consistent basis:-

                    -Posting fresh content to the site
                    -Social bookmarking the fresh content
                    -Angela/Paul profile backlinks
                    -Posting content to Web 2.0 sites
                    -Submitting articles to EZA with keyword anchor text

                    The way I see it, it's MY job to show Google my site deserves to rank high. I'm making sure the site is full of quality content, and I'm creating a presence for it in as many places as possible. A few weeks ago, if it was in the top 10 I'm not sure it would have deserved to be - the top 10 is very strong in terms of the quality of the sites and their popularity. Now though, I feel my site would fit nicely in there - and mark my words, it's going to be there very soon

                    *prays for no more dancing*
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                    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                      Great job Liam! Finally seeing some encouraging result, I bet you will rank on page 1 in 2 weeks, let's keep the finger cross!



                      Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

                      Update - my main site has jumped from position 59 to 22 in the last 24 hours I'm hoping this time, it's going to stay and go even higher. (I know I've gone back on my promise to only check my rankings weekly ) I'm doing the following on a pretty consistent basis:-

                      -Posting fresh content to the site
                      -Social bookmarking the fresh content
                      -Angela/Paul profile backlinks
                      -Posting content to Web 2.0 sites
                      -Submitting articles to EZA with keyword anchor text

                      The way I see it, it's MY job to show Google my site deserves to rank high. I'm making sure the site is full of quality content, and I'm creating a presence for it in as many places as possible. A few weeks ago, if it was in the top 10 I'm not sure it would have deserved to be - the top 10 is very strong in terms of the quality of the sites and their popularity. Now though, I feel my site would fit nicely in there - and mark my words, it's going to be there very soon

                      *prays for no more dancing*
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                      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
                        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                        Great job Liam! Finally seeing some encouraging result, I bet you will rank on page 1 in 2 weeks, let's keep the finger cross!
                        Thanks Kok, and thanks for all your helpful and encouraging words in this thread and others I plan on buying your Nuclear Link Booster 3 hopefully in the near future - right now I'm backed up a little with Angela and Paul's and have spent a little too much on various WSO's recently
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                        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                          Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

                          Thanks Kok, and thanks for all your helpful and encouraging words in this thread and others I plan on buying your Nuclear Link Booster 3 hopefully in the near future - right now I'm backed up a little with Angela and Paul's and have spent a little too much on various WSO's recently
                          Thanks for your support! No rush, we'll be there when you need it!

                          I also don't encourage you spend too much before the returns, hopefully you can make some good money in these 2 week!
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    • Profile picture of the author HCLee
      This could be a good approach. My niche site was on no. 1 in Google and I was doing lots of backlinking for a sub-page and that triggered the Google dance. I could not find the SERP anywhere although it's still indexed and not sandboxed. It came back only after 3 long weeks. That's a long wait and wasn't even sure it would come back. I encountered Google dance before but never this long.

      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Did you try building links more consistently? Try to build the same or similar amount of links everyday for the next 7 days, should minimize the dropping effect?
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I think you need to check webmaster tools if your site encounter such problems...

    For articles, I think more backlinks to it will push it up again, just don't do any on page stuff or it might take longer to get back.
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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    Great news Liam, its really encouraging. Just hope it sticks this time

    Well I havent checked my rankings but I am still somewhere in google doldrums and dont even fancy checking where I am right now. My site comes first when I type the unusual site name when all is good with google, now the site for its site name is not even in the top 50 so its still all loose for me here and the traffic keeps getting down daily. Google seem to only send me traffic on just one keyword and its variation. Getting a bit more love from yahoo.

    I have continued with the buidling backlinks, need I say I have been doing it aggressively, just getting a little let down by some freelancers. I have also continued adding fresh content on the site at the minimum 5 a week and my pages get indexed pretty much in minutes since the site has loads other backlinks...

    Hope to be have Champaigne soon when we finally reach the top Liam. I have stopped being angry and annoyed about google and realised I just have to work my way to the top. SEO is no different from building a business, it doesnt happen overnight...who knows it could be weeks or months but I bet thou shall reach the top
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by sherry_d View Post

      Great news Liam, its really encouraging. Just hope it sticks this time

      Well I havent checked my rankings but I am still somewhere in google doldrums and dont even fancy checking where I am right now. My site comes first when I type the unusual site name when all is good with google, now the site for its site name is not even in the top 50 so its still all loose for me here and the traffic keeps getting down daily. Google seem to only send me traffic on just one keyword and its variation. Getting a bit more love from yahoo.

      I have continued with the buidling backlinks, need I say I have been doing it aggressively, just getting a little let down by some freelancers. I have also continued adding fresh content on the site at the minimum 5 a week and my pages get indexed pretty much in minutes since the site has loads other backlinks...

      Hope to be have Champaigne soon when we finally reach the top Liam. I have stopped being angry and annoyed about google and realised I just have to work my way to the top. SEO is no different from building a business, it doesnt happen overnight...who knows it could be weeks or months but I bet thou shall reach the top
      You've got more willpower than me in terms of checking your rankings :p It sounds like you're doing all the right things - I'm sure your work is going to pay off in the coming days and weeks

      There'll certainly be champagne if I reach the top for my main site(pretty big niche with pretty big search volume - not weight loss, dog training or dating though), but I'll feel like celebrating even if I can break into the top 10. My other sites are more mini sites, but if they were in the top 10(top 3 especially) for their keywords I think each of them could bring in sales each and every day.

      You're totally right to think of it like building a business and to not get angry - unfortunately we can't control the search engines, we can only leverage the odds in our favour
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        It appears Google has decided to do the Salsa with two of my sites as they're no where to be found for the keywords they were ranking for previously. All pages are still indexed, though.

        Although it's very discouraging when this happens, in my experience it's usually a good thing as your site will generally come back ranking higher than it was previously.

        I hope this is the the case in this instance.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Although it's very discouraging when this happens, in my experience it's usually a good thing as your site will generally come back ranking higher than it was previously.
    Tell me about it.

    One of my sites I've been aggressively building links for is going through the same thing... dropped down to the 200's for my primary keyword. Long-tails are all good so traffic isn't dead.

    It'll come back, I just hate the wait.

    And yeah, from what I've experienced in the past, the site will drop for the keywords I'm pushing and then a couple of weeks later will come back at a higher ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Tell me about it.

      One of my sites I've been aggressively building links for is going through the same thing... dropped down to the 200's for my primary keyword. Long-tails are all good so traffic isn't dead.

      It'll come back, I just hate the wait.

      And yeah, from what I've experienced in the past, the site will drop for the keywords I'm pushing and then a couple of weeks later will come back at a higher ranking.
      Same experience here, sometime I just don't like to wait, shoot bunch of links to the articles, one by one and let it rank in 3 weeks.

      If I can build the links more consistently over time, the chances of Google dancing would be minimize, sometime I just don't care, as the article have yet rank, I got nothing to lose !
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        My main site is today at an all time high of number 13 Top 10 - I'm coming for you :p

        I hope this encourages some of you that aren't seeing results as quickly as you'd like. To put it into perspective:-

        -Site is not yet 3 months old
        -The keyword term I targeted is very competitive - Micro Niche Finder gives it a 'red' and a score of 524
        -In early October the site was in the 400's(page 40+)

        I always knew I'd get it up there though, I think I targetted the top 10 by Christmas as I remember, almost there now I've kept on building backlinks, varying my link building, adding fresh content to the site etc. In the last few weeks, my mindset has changed for the better(mostly thanks to the great advice here) - my priority is to give Google what they want, not to try and get what I want Keep on keeping on, and remember the Google dance is only temporary
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        • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
          Congratulations man!

          Key here:

          - Varying anchor texts in link building
          - Consistency
          - Relevancy

          Combine this with the right niche and there is no reason why you can't get a 1st page listing!
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          • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
            Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts View Post

            Congratulations man!

            Key here:

            - Varying anchor texts in link building
            - Consistency
            - Relevancy

            Combine this with the right niche and there is no reason why you can't get a 1st page listing!
            Thanks I actually don't vary my anchor text a great deal, probably 80-90% of my backlinks have the same keyword. However, I do make sure to vary my content and titles when it comes to articles, web 2.0, social bookmarking etc.

            The sky is the limit, as long as you're prepared to consistently work at it - my financial rewards from IM have merely been OK up to now but I'm willing to keep on working every day until I reach my goals Being on page 1 for this particular site would be one small step to where I want to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
    And once you get some consistent money coming in...

    You start outsourcing... bit-by-bit...

    And then the promotion starts working on autopilot... and you get another project going... and...

    The sky is your limit after that :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts View Post

      And once you get some consistent money coming in...

      You start outsourcing... bit-by-bit...

      And then the promotion starts working on autopilot... and you get another project going... and...

      The sky is your limit after that :-)
      I use outsource all the time! Love the simplicity of getting work done. Just the writing spec for outsource may take a bit more time, you should keep all outsourcing tools ready, save a lot of time!
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  • Profile picture of the author sherry_d
    Liam you know I am a stoker of your progress and I am really happy for you. After all the hard work, the only way is up and keep going for it. Congrats and here's me wishing you some great rewards from that term you have worked hard for...So encouraging and just gives me a glimmer of hope too...

    Keep going for that top position now. Just being curious how is the competition like ie how many site are you competing with in "quotes" an without coz I too have some super competitive terms I am going for even though the bulk are more medium competetive terms
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    • Profile picture of the author bluefoot
      Hi Liam,

      I thought I'd report my experience with a site losing it's Google ranking. It happened a week ago today. The domain is 2 months old. The site is an xFactor Adsense one page of content site (along with privacy policy, about us, contact us and site map pages). It was ranking #4 in Google for my primary keyword and a steady earner. About 80 backlinks reported by Yahoo, mostly Angela's, Backlink Goldmine 6 and a few Ezinearticles and GoArticles links.

      All of a sudden last Monday, it's Adsense earnings was $0.00. Then I saw it wasn't ranking. It was indexed because it ranked #1 when keyword searched with quotes. I considered adding a page or two of content and changing the page title slighty. But then I decided to ride it out and do nothing to see what would happen.

      Lo and behold, it came back today, one week later at #3 and ahead of "Shopping results for". Not really enough information to draw definite conclusions, but it looks like if your SEO (including content) and backlinks are in order, sites stand a good chance of coming back on their own.

      Phil
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