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Multiple Domains Pointing to One Site?

by exstatic
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Hey Guys,

I have a website that I am targeting a number of keywords for, lets just say the website is mywebsite.com, and they keywords I am targeting are keywordsaa, keywordsbb, keywrodscc.

All is going well and seo isnt doing too bad for mywebsite.com

However.. I want to domainate this market.. so I have been able to aquire the domains for my keywords

keywordsaa.com keywordsbb.com & keywordscc.com

What is the best strategy to use for these domains? Should I have them resolve to mywebsite.com and drive traffic to the keywords.com sites, or would it be better to make each of the induvidual domains a site in themselves with say RSS feeds or something back to the mywebsite.com

Is there any benefit of having keyword strong domains resolving to a website?
#domains #multiple #pointing #site
  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi exstatic,

    Definitely make separate sites! Pointing those domains at the same site would just be creating an undesirable canonical issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author madness222
      I agree make it separated with each other, because some reason, visitors want to make sure that they end up at the correct site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Ayres
    Unless you have inbound links to those domains, they are doing you no good in 301'ing them to your domain. My advice would be to build content on each of them... IF you have the time.

    But, I think that raises an important question. What's your bandwidth, personally? Really, I think your time would be better spent in creating one super-site... temporarily 301'ing them to your main site (even though they won't do you much good). And, then later, building content on them.

    Focus on the content and links of the main site. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author exstatic
      Originally Posted by Phil Ayres View Post

      Unless you have inbound links to those domains, they are doing you no good in 301'ing them to your domain. My advice would be to build content on each of them... IF you have the time.

      But, I think that raises an important question. What's your bandwidth, personally? Really, I think your time would be better spent in creating one super-site... temporarily 301'ing them to your main site (even though they won't do you much good). And, then later, building content on them.

      Focus on the content and links of the main site. Good luck.
      Thanks Phil.

      I agree with you 100%, basically my client registered a few domains related to the keywords we chose.. and was hoping that would help later down the track.

      We have concentrated soley on their primary site and that has worked really well, they just wanted to know what they could do with the keyword heavy domains and whether it would help further.

      From my experience it is a lot of work for little return.. and by the sounds of it, you guys agree.

      I might just get those domains parked, rss feed into them maybe and do some simple back linking.. what you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author viralclix
    very interesting...learned something today as i have five domains pointing at same
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by exstatic View Post

      Hey Guys,

      I have a website that I am targeting a number of keywords for, lets just say the website is mywebsite.com, and they keywords I am targeting are keywordsaa, keywordsbb, keywrodscc.

      All is going well and seo isnt doing too bad for mywebsite.com

      However.. I want to domainate this market.. so I have been able to aquire the domains for my keywords

      keywordsaa.com keywordsbb.com & keywordscc.com

      What is the best strategy to use for these domains? Should I have them resolve to mywebsite.com and drive traffic to the keywords.com sites, or would it be better to make each of the induvidual domains a site in themselves with say RSS feeds or something back to the mywebsite.com

      Is there any benefit of having keyword strong domains resolving to a website?
      The buzz phrase in your post is, "dominate this market" the key to doing so is establishing a well thought out strategy.

      All sites hosted on different hosting accounts
      All sites totally different layout and color scheme
      All sites totally different content (No spun content)
      Monetize the sites differently (even go so far as using one site to build lists)
      Use different Domain Name Registrars for each site

      As a rule, you don't point those sites to your main money site. There are plenty of other ways to get more powerful backlinks. The purpose of this strategy is getting all of the sites for specific keyword phrases on the 1st page of the SERPs.

      Is that a lot of work? Yes, but if you're in a highly competitive market that that has eager buyers - who when they type in the targeted keyword phrases - ARE BUYING, then it's worth it! It does no good to use this strategy with keywords that draw tire kickers, freebie searchers and pure information seekers.

      I'm in a number of such markets and not only do I target getting multiple sites on the 1st page in the top slots, I also push to get articles and videos to page 1 to supplement my domination. Just remember; none of the sites should leave any type of footprints when you are submitting to ADs, building BLs, building profiles, etc.

      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi exstatic,

      Definitely make separate sites! Pointing those domains at the same site would just be creating an undesirable canonical issue.
      undesirable canonical issue... wow dburk, you broke out the big guns on that description... Does that mean I need to add UCI to my SEO glossary?

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        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        undesirable canonical issue... wow dburk, you broke out the big guns on that description... Does that mean I need to add UCI to my SEO glossary?

        Giles, the Crew Chief
        Hi Giles,

        One man's "big guns" is another man's basics.

        SEO advice: url canonicalization
        Canonicalization - Webmaster Tools Help
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          dburk, my response was satirical and I attempted to note that with the...

          The reason I pointed it out because his question did not relate to undesirable canonical issue simply because all of the domains would be different, (i.e.,..

          InkjetPrinterPros.com
          InkjetPrinterExperts.com
          InkjetPrinterSales.com
          InkjetPrinterReviews.com
          InkjetPrinterDiscounts.com

          But as they say, "No harm, no fowl"
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            dburk, my response was satirical and I attempted to note that with the...

            The reason I pointed it out because his question did not relate to undesirable canonical issue simply because all of the domains would be different, (i.e.,..

            InkjetPrinterPros.com
            InkjetPrinterExperts.com
            InkjetPrinterSales.com
            InkjetPrinterReviews.com
            InkjetPrinterDiscounts.com

            But as they say, "No harm, no fowl"
            Hi Giles,

            I did notice your and included a with my snarky quip (PETA members: No chickens were harmed during the reply to this thread. ).

            Perhaps I'm looking at this wrong, but when all of those domains are pointed at the same website aren't you creating multiple URLs that point to the same document, and isn't that the precise definition of canonicalization? Same website, same document, different URLs => Canonicalization. If I got this wrong then please accept my apologies.
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            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
              Originally Posted by dburk View Post

              Hi Giles,

              I did notice your and included a with my snarky quip (PETA members: No chickens were harmed during the reply to this thread. ).

              Perhaps I'm looking at this wrong, but when all of those domains are pointed at the same website aren't you creating multiple URLs that point to the same document, and isn't that the precise definition of canonicalization? Same website, same document, different URLs => Canonicalization. If I got this wrong then please accept my apologies.
              Be careful dBurk, I sure hope this thread doesn't get PITA riled up. For goodness sakes man, I'm thinking about putting some shrimp on the barbie.

              On a more serious note, in order to present an undesirable canonical issue, all of the URLS would have to be from same domain and then all point to the same content on that domain like this...

              Example Web Page
              Example Web Page
              Example Web Page
              Example Web Page
              http://www.example.com/index.php
              Example Web Page
              Example Web Page

              Of course that example is in the most simplistic form. Many webmasters and IMers actually launch websites without addressing this undesirable canonical issue. Meaning, no matter which one of the above URLs your type in, you will get to their home page; same content, different URL. Not realizing that Google classifies these extraneous URLs as duplicate content.

              In the OPs case, as long as he keeps all of the domains as separate entities, he'll be fine.
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      • Profile picture of the author livemusic
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        1 All sites hosted on different hosting accounts
        2 All sites totally different layout and color scheme
        3 All sites totally different content (No spun content)
        4 Monetize the sites differently (even go so far as using one site to build lists)
        5 Use different Domain Name Registrars for each site...
        6 Just remember; none of the sites should leave any type of footprints when you are submitting to ADs, building BLs, building profiles, etc.
        Hi, thanks for your post. I have numbered some of your comments so I can ask questions.

        1. This matters? Are you meaning each site having a different IP or why do you say this?
        2. Does this matter for SEO or another reason?
        3. Understood.
        4. I don't do any ads, so, I suppose this is irrelevant for me.
        5. Really, this matters? How?
        6. Explain the footprint issue, please. I see footprint mentioned from time to time, don't understand what that means. Trying to keep Google from catching me at my dirty SEO deeds?

        Thanks, I hope you will reply.

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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

          Hi, thanks for your post. I have numbered some of your comments so I can ask questions.

          Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

          1. This matters? Are you meaning each site having a different IP or why do you say this?


          2. Does this matter for SEO or another reason?
          3. Understood.
          4. I don't do any ads, so, I suppose this is irrelevant for me.
          5. Really, this matters? How?
          6. Explain the footprint issue, please. I see footprint mentioned from time to time, don't understand what that means. Trying to keep Google from catching me at my dirty SEO deeds?

          Thanks, I hope you will reply
          Gotcha!

          Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

          1. This matters? Are you meaning each site having a different IP or why do you say this?
          If your objective is to dominate a niche and your plan is to launch multiple sites in that niche to reach your goals, then you want each of those sites to be STAND ALONE. The easiest way to accomplish that objective is to: (a). Have different Class C IP addresses (b). Use reseller account (c). Use Class C IP hosting. (d). Use different hosting companies. Your decision all boils down to economics.

          Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

          2. Does this matter for SEO or another reason?
          That's one of the primary reasons.

          Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

          5. Really, this matters? How?
          If all of your domains are registered with the same registrar under the same name, you are essentially leaving an "IF" Internet Footprint.

          Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

          6. Explain the footprint issue, please. I see footprint mentioned from time to time, don't understand what that means. Trying to keep Google from catching me at my dirty SEO deeds?
          An Internet Footprint can be both good and bad. It's good when you are intentionally building a brand name, establishing an authority site and/or building an online reputation.

          An Internet Footprint is bad when you are an IMer with five, ten, fifteen websites or more in varying niches. For example, lets say you have websites on nuclear science, horseback riding, dating tips, making money online, legal divorce tactics, car repair tips, digital cameras, tattoos and about twenty five other niches.

          How many people are experts in all of those areas of specialization? Some of which you need licensing. By connecting all of the sites to one person as the author, spokesperson and information portal, it's easy to out that person as a fraud.

          There are numerous ways to leave footprints. Here are two examples; if you use these search terms...

          "Affiliate Theme by UBD"
          "Powered by Niche Site Script"

          ...you can quickly determine how relevant these software applications are in terms of their ability to perform as stated. And, you can also see the footprint they have left.

          Other examples of leaving a footprint would be:

          • Using the same email address on all of your domains and none of the domains have privacy
          • Using the same registrars for all of your domains; all on the same account
          • Using a hosting account with the same Class C IP addresses
          • Having the same profile attached to all of your domains, profiles, bookmarking accounts, Warrior forum account, RSS feeds, Web 2.0 properties, etc., etc.
          • Using scripts and software applications that leave easily identifiable snippets of code in your source file.
          • Using WP Themes, scripts or other software applications that demand that you leave their link in your footer
          There are other ways to leave footprints with those being the most prominent. The point being, when you set out to dominate a niche, DON'T LEAVE ANY FOOTPRINTS!
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          • Profile picture of the author livemusic
            Crew Chief, this is important to me... as I definitely want to dominate my very narrow niche. It's all so confusing! And here's proof... I have done all of it wrong, according to your last post... and I am amazed at my success. Just this morning, I sent an email to a friend, bragging. I sent him a screenshot of my having spots 1,2,3,4,5 in Google for a keyphrase. It's an obscure phrase but I'm doing pretty well with all of my key phrases.

            I built about ten sites two years ago in this VERY narrow niche. Narrow but it pays very big when I do make a sale. I make a sale maybe once a month. About six sites are hosted on a shared IP at hostgator, three are on a shared IP at Godaddy and one is at Ipower. Registrar for all of these is Godaddy and Ipower. My sites link to one another here and there with very few backlinks and only a very few outlinks, a handful. I did a little blogging at blogger.com and such two years ago and linked to some of my sites. I didn't do that much, maybe a dozen blogs.

            EDIT: Couple more questions.

            1. If I believe you, haha, and want to do what you suggest... I would have to buy another year from a different Registrar for each domain so they would all be different. Would that work or is it too late since I have already done it 'wrong?'

            2. If I want to buy a new domain right now (they are all related to my business niche), if I host each new site at a different host, even though, for instance, the new one is on "shared hosting" at Examplehost... is that okay? I mean, if I have 20 sites at 20 different hosts, that's 20 different IP addresses, right? Reason being, shared hosting is cheaper than hosting with a dedicated IP. If each site at each host must have dedicated IP, that's about $30/year more per site.

            If all of this makes a difference, I am willing to spend the money to do it. Of course, this will all be a lot of labor, too.

            So, I have done pretty well but I want it to continue. I keep fearing I will get outed, haha. Do you know that what you say is necessary? People have such different opinions on how to do things. Some people say each site should have a dedicated IP, some say it doesn't make a bit of difference. According to what I have achieved, it does not.

            So, color me confused. Appreciate all your comments very much, hope you respond again, because it is certainly important to understand this.
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            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
              First and foremost remember K.I.S.S.!? Keep It Super Simple!

              You're making it too complicated.

              All we're doing is making each domain Stand Alone. I've already showed you the most common ways of accomplishing that objective.

              If your competitors or any other individual spying on your websites did an in-depth research, they could probably tell that all of the sites in your network all belong to the same person/company. I once uncovered a very popular comedy company that built an awesome network, with one problem; all of their sites, including their backdoor pages and redirects were ALL tied together. It was sloppy SEO work, for such a large company.

              By making ALL of the sites Stand Alone - that will never happen!

              When I have multiple sites on page 1, a person can search high and low, but they will never connect those sites together because of how I've set up the networks.

              You mentioned that you're in a narrow niche. I don't do narrow niches; in addition I stay away from the low fruit hanging on the tree. All of my markets fiercely competitive but they pay handsomely and there is no way one sale a month would be acceptable to me. That being said, when you are in competitive markets, the competition acts different. Meaning every time someone fires up Market Samurai, Keyword Elite, Spyfu, and other keyword tools, the first person they see is YOU!

              If you don't have your act together, they will come gunning for your perch. When they look at my perch, I want them to scratch their heads and say, "Dang, gunning for these keyword phrases will be a waste of time!"

              Giles, the Crew Chief

              Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

              Crew Chief, this is important to me... as I definitely want to dominate my very narrow niche. It's all so confusing! And here's proof... I have done all of it wrong, according to your last post... and I am amazed at my success. Just this morning, I sent an email to a friend, bragging. I sent him a screenshot of my having spots 1,2,3,4,5 in Google for a keyphrase. It's an obscure phrase but I'm doing pretty well with all of my key phrases.

              I built about ten sites two years ago in this VERY narrow niche. Narrow but it pays very big when I do make a sale. I make a sale maybe once a month. About six sites are hosted on a shared IP at hostgator, three are on a shared IP at Godaddy and one is at Ipower. Registrar for all of these is Godaddy and Ipower. My sites link to one another here and there with very few backlinks and only a very few outlinks, a handful. I did a little blogging at blogger.com and such two years ago and linked to some of my sites. I didn't do that much, maybe a dozen blogs.

              EDIT: Couple more questions.

              1. If I believe you, haha, and want to do what you suggest... I would have to buy another year from a different Registrar for each domain so they would all be different. Would that work or is it too late since I have already done it 'wrong?'

              2. If I want to buy a new domain right now (they are all related to my business niche), if I host each new site at a different host, even though, for instance, the new one is on "shared hosting" at Examplehost... is that okay? I mean, if I have 20 sites at 20 different hosts, that's 20 different IP addresses, right? Reason being, shared hosting is cheaper than hosting with a dedicated IP. If each site at each host must have dedicated IP, that's about $30/year more per site.

              If all of this makes a difference, I am willing to spend the money to do it. Of course, this will all be a lot of labor, too.

              So, I have done pretty well but I want it to continue. I keep fearing I will get outed, haha. Do you know that what you say is necessary? People have such different opinions on how to do things. Some people say each site should have a dedicated IP, some say it doesn't make a bit of difference. According to what I have achieved, it does not.

              So, color me confused. Appreciate all your comments very much, hope you respond again, because it is certainly important to understand this.
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                Crew Chief... nobody, I cannot conceive of any individual spying on me. My niche is not internet marketing; it has nothing to do with that. I cannot conceive of any of my market figuring any of this out. As far as I know, if your strategy does not enhance SEO, it does not matter. All that I care about is SEO. Can you point me to any hard data that backs up what you say? I would like to implement what you spouse, but only if it works. I mean, proven to work. How can you convince me your technique works... for SEO?
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                • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                  Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

                  Crew Chief... nobody, I cannot conceive of any individual spying on me. My niche is not internet marketing; it has nothing to do with that. I cannot conceive of any of my market figuring any of this out. As far as I know, if your strategy does not enhance SEO, it does not matter. All that I care about is SEO. Can you point me to any hard data that backs up what you say? I would like to implement what you spouse, but only if it works. I mean, proven to work. How can you convince me your technique works... for SEO?

                  You are obviously missing something. REMEMBER, the stated objective of setting up Stand Alone websites is for the purpose of getting three, four maybe even five entirely different websites ranked on page one in the SERPs for highly competitive markets.

                  If you're not targeting highly competitive markets this isn't for you. It's simply not worth the effort, time, money and energy. Just so you know, I'm not trying to convince you nor persuade you to employ these strategies or utilize these tactics.

                  If you truly understand SEO, SOC and your goal is dominating/monopolizing competitive markets, then having multiple Stand Alone websites becomes a crucial and potent strategical objective. How you accomplish that objective tactically is vital to your long term sustainability. If you need empirical data to convince you of that fact, leave it alone; you're not ready for it.

                  When IMers use these tools and similar software applications...

                  Traffic Travis
                  Keyword Elite
                  Market Samurai
                  Spyfu
                  Keywordspy
                  Wordtracker
                  SEOBook

                  ...they are looking at the top ten to twenty sites, essentially measuring their SEO Optimization, backlinks, age, WHOis data, etc. Aside from the backlinks, the next thing they look at to determine if they are going to target those keywords - is the PR rank of the sites in the top ten spots.

                  Most IMers, if they see six to eight sites on the first page with PR 5's to PR 6's, and tons of BLs, they usually decline from attempting to target those keyword phrases. That's what I want them to see; the only thing is, all of those sites they are spying on belong to me!
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    take these sites, put content on them, get 100 of backlinks to each, link to your site. In the long run, as they age - they will bring tremendous value to your overall ranking efforts.
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      Originally Posted by FiverrGuru View Post

      take these sites, put content on them, get 100 of backlinks to each, link to your site. In the long run, as they age - they will bring tremendous value to your overall ranking efforts.
      How does one get hundreds of back links? That sounds daunting. I know links are important, I wish I could learn the best way to do this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

        Crew Chief, will you kindly answer this?

        If I want to buy a new domain right now, if I host each new site at a different host, even though, for instance, the new one is on "shared hosting" at Examplehost... is that okay? I mean, if I end up with 20 sites at 20 different hosts, even if my site is on their el cheapo shared hosting, that's 20 different IP addresses, right? Shared hosting is cheaper than hosting with a dedicated IP. If each site at each host must have dedicated IP, that's about $30/year more per site. Is that necessary? And dang, I bought about 20 more domains already in the past two weeks at Godaddy and I cannot transfer them because of a 60 day rule. I would need to buy a brand new domain.
        Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

        How does one get hundreds of back links? That sounds daunting. I know links are important, I wish I could learn the best way to do this.
        livemusic - you need to take a step back and learn:

        On Page SEO
        Off Page SEO
        Keyword Research
        Building your own network

        Trying to figure these crucial IM strategies and tactics on the fly (While buying domains, hosting, etc.) is like trying to learn how to swim in the Pacific Ocean while your boat is sinking.

        Check out the Linkwheel attachment, that's a blueprint of how to set up a network for your money website. But again, if you're dealing with low traffic keywords, this won't be necessary.

        My point being, with each site, you need to have a blueprint/diagram/mindmap as to how that site is strategically mapped out and then build it!

        The questions you're asking about - costs, shared hosting and dedicated IPs - only you can answer based on your personal economics; either you can afford it right now or you can't. Plain and simple. If you can't build up your income until you can!
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        • Profile picture of the author livemusic
          I don't see anything about "Linkwheel." I'd sure like to read it, were you going to include a link to it?

          By the way, I do know more than a rank beginner. As I have stated, I have done amazingly well over the past two years in my very narrow niche. I am not tooting my horn, I am just saying that whatever I have done, though a ton of reading, has worked. I just want to make it work better and long-term. Things you are saying make sense and I am not somebody who is afraid to spend some money. I just don't want to spend unnecessary money.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

            I don't see anything about "Linkwheel." I'd sure like to read it, were you going to include a link to it?

            By the way, I do know more than a rank beginner. As I have stated, I have done amazingly well over the past two years in my very narrow niche. I am not tooting my horn, I am just saying that whatever I have done, though a ton of reading, has worked. I just want to make it work better and long-term. Things you are saying make sense and I am not somebody who is afraid to spend some money. I just don't want to spend unnecessary money.
            Here it is... sometimes I get trigger happy.
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    Crew Chief, will you kindly answer this?

    If I want to buy a new domain right now, if I host each new site at a different host, even though, for instance, the new one is on "shared hosting" at Examplehost... is that okay? I mean, if I end up with 20 sites at 20 different hosts, even if my site is on their el cheapo shared hosting, that's 20 different IP addresses, right? Shared hosting is cheaper than hosting with a dedicated IP. If each site at each host must have dedicated IP, that's about $30/year more per site. Is that necessary? And dang, I bought about 20 more domains already in the past two weeks at Godaddy and I cannot transfer them because of a 60 day rule. I would need to buy a brand new domain.
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