Angela's and Pauls Packet ?

Getting links to content can be seen as any traditional marketing effort, like advertising you're letting the world know that you exist by placing links where you are allowed to do so.


It's possible to abuse anything and if one does, he/she would thereby turn a white hat method(where you actually provide some value) into a black hat method. If you actually contribute something and not abuse the "advertising space" it might just be fine to put your link there.

Most of us know that Angelas backlink strategy is about putting links in profile pages on high quality forums, and It works well if done correctly.

One TIP that can help from getting your links removed from these profile pages is to make sure your profile has all the information filled in and to have a photo in the profile. But also one more important that could help you getting your link to stay in the profile, is to NOT add it when you create the profile but rather do it a week later when the profiled has been reviewed.

I would'nt consider putting links on profile pages a black hat strategy, if done with care i.e.

/Daniel

If getting links (using any method) from an external site was considered black hat or could damage your site, then there would be nothing to stop your competitors doing this.

So the worst case would be that a link would not count towards your ranking.

Cheers,
Suzanne

Personally I think it's sort of a mix of the both making a gray area of SEO. I don't feel bad doing it, but it's not something I'd want someone else doing on one of my own sites.

If you are interested in the long run, don't even consider the above.

If you do, make sure you have a backup plan, and also the you don't run all your websites from a single adsense account. In case you are banned.

Also a lot of the links in the packages don't work, more than a half for me.

I don't use Angela's or Paul's, but I do hire people to build these profiles for me, but on sites where they aren't overun with spam. I also only put one or two links per profile. So the chances of mine getting erased is slim to none. You could have the argument of long term links over any method of getting backlinks. These just happen to be high PR and work the best.

Also why would you get banned from Adsense for having profiles on websites? There are plenty of other spamming methods people do online with Adsense that would get them banned well before someone who just has a lot of profiles on legit websites.

I think people who put 10+ links on a profile are being very obvious in their work, but that will at most just likely get their account on each site deleted.

Yeah that's true, but I think every internet marketer would be banned if they took that to the extreme. Someone with profiles on websites (that allow and sometimes encourage you to put in signatures and your own links in your profiles) is not going to raise a red flag with Google, and will likely be fine even with a human reviewer.

I just pay people because it saves me a good deal of time. I agree with you as well that mass available backlinks are not worth the time or energy to get. They will be the first to be nulled by Google, and the webmasters are likely to delete them anyway.

If you submit 1000 articles with the same authorbox, it is not "black hat" but will definitely not be natural for google eyes. So, Black Hat, White hat, but, what looks like more natural for link building?

This is the same argument all over again.

A lot of SEO efforts are considered "gaming the search engines", which Google says they do not like.

However, if making a bunch of profile links will get you banned, then everyone would be doing it to their competitors trying to get them taken down. Don't be silly, read some more threads and find out before you make assumptions.

It's douchebag SEO
Exactly. See my above comment.

It works. I do it. Guess I'm a douchebag too. But the sites you are adding your links too do not like it.

If you don't mind pissing in the pool then go for it.

just do as much as you can build, and of cource you must do it all kind backlink including angela method.

I do try to NOT just stick with one type of backlink building method. I do use these packets, and believe they do work pretty good. Of course there are some people out their that abuse them. I got some good tips about not adding your links in their too quickly. Awesome tip! However, I guess I have come to the conclusion that these are not black hat techniques. They are more on the lines of gray market strategies. Not really bad, but need to be done correctly in order to not annoy other webmasters.

To me, it's grey hat. Although not necessarily the worst thing in the world for a forum, it is definitely taking advantage of the situation.