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Two Seriously Dumb SEO Questions

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Q1: Re Wheel or Wagon Wheel Linking of Web 2 Properties

Could someone please explain to me why SEO practice currently favors the linking of supporting web 2 properties in a circular wheel or wagon wheel fashion - in support of a money site or target site?

Trying to understand where this practice comes from

Q2: Hypothetical Blog empire linking strategy

Say we own around 400 blogs and want to link these together in support of a number of money sites.
Also say these blogs focus on four niche areas in total - therefore 100 blogs per niche area.

Which linking model would you favor or follow to get the most link power out of these blogs?
Hub and spoke, pyramid, wheel, random, silo??

Appreciate your assistance with this concept.

Cheers

old man
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  • Profile picture of the author KenJ
    Well Old man

    There is no such thing as a dumb question.

    To answer the second question. There is an option better than all the options you have suggested and that is relevant linking from one site to another in a random way. I have followed advice and tried wheels,hubs and what have you. The results have been very poor. Rubbish in fact.

    I do not think you can beat Real links with Relevancy. Unfortunately it is not easy to do this quickly or cheaply no matter how many blogs you have
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    • Profile picture of the author 4514
      Originally Posted by kenj View Post

      Well Old man

      There is no such thing as a dumb question.

      To answer the second question. There is an option better than all the options you have suggested and that is relevant linking from one site to another in a random way. I have followed advice and tried wheels,hubs and what have you. The results have been very poor. Rubbish in fact.

      I do not think you can beat Real links with Relevancy. Unfortunately it is not easy to do this quickly or cheaply no matter how many blogs you have
      kenj

      Yay, at least there are some honest people - appreciate your reply.

      I have a feeling about this whole linking hype - will watch if this thread progresses at all.

      Thanks for reply

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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Link wheels: I made a video about this, so I'll just link to that instead of repeating everything I said in the video.


    Blog Network: As stated above, a blog-network will never beat "real" backlinks, but that's not to say you can't benefit from one.
    Ideally, the blogs need to be distributed over many different servers. Since links should be natural, I would say that the best way of interlinking a network would be something between a pyramid structure (several different pyramids) and just random interlinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4514
      Hi ShaneRQR

      Thank you for your very insightful video - very balanced perspective and I appreciate it.

      I must apologize about something I did not mention: Each of the hypothetical 400 blogs sits on its own IP and they are spread over 16 server farms

      I like the idea of several different pyramids - why would that be beneficial?

      Appreciated

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    • Profile picture of the author 4514
      Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

      Link wheels: I made a video about this, so I'll just link to that instead of repeating everything I said in the video.

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      Blog Network: As stated above, a blog-network will never beat "real" backlinks, but that's not to say you can't benefit from one.
      Ideally, the blogs need to be distributed over many different servers. Since links should be natural, I would say that the best way of interlinking a network would be something between a pyramid structure (several different pyramids) and just random interlinking.
      Thank you Shane - your "Strategic Backlink Building (4) - Link Pyramids" video makes a lot of sense.

      I would recommend a lot of people to watch this video and understand Link Pyramids better.

      Appreciated

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    • Profile picture of the author G Allan Roberts
      Link wheel I never heard of that before. But I wrote a book about the network effect a year ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    The 100 blogs per niche idea should work. There are however certain things you should take into account:

    1) Are these on multiple C Class Ips? The more Ips the better.
    2) The themes for each should be different. You could even go as far as having some of these as HTML sites.
    3) How aged are these domains? It doesn't bode well to have 100 websites linking to you all with newly bought domains.

    If you do set it all up the best way to link is using incontent links rather than blogroll and footer links.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4514
      Hi Davioli

      1) Are these on multiple C Class Ips? The more Ips the better.
      Each is on its own IP and they are spread over 16 server farms in US, Europe

      2) The themes for each should be different. You could even go as far as having some of these as HTML sites.
      Have not thought of this - why would this be important?

      3) How aged are these domains? It doesn't bode well to have 100 websites linking to you all with newly bought domains.
      The youngest domain is June 2008 and the PR varies between 2 and 5

      In-content links sounds like an excellent idea - thank you

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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    The pyramid linking style works best. There should be no linking between your "backlinks" blogs.
    Use a mass linking service such as UAW to link to your blogs so as to get them indexed and more stronger. A little bit of high PR blog commenting should also help get some PR to the blogs.
    As always.. make sure you're doing many other forms of backlinking. Article submission, Social Bookmarking, Web 2.0 properties, forums and more! Mix it up!
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    • Profile picture of the author 4514
      Hi again Davioli

      Again thank you very much for the comment.

      "The pyramid linking style works best "- Why would you support the pyramid style Davioli?.

      "There should be no linking between your "backlinks" blogs" - Appreciate if you could tell me why - just trying to understand better.

      cheers

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      • Profile picture of the author Davioli
        Originally Posted by 4514 View Post

        Hi again Davioli

        Again thank you very much for the comment.

        "The pyramid linking style works best "- Why would you support the pyramid style Davioli?.

        "There should be no linking between your "backlinks" blogs" - Appreciate if you could tell me why - just trying to understand better.

        cheers

        old man
        The whole point is to make them look natural to Google. Imagine a scenario where all your "backlink sites" link to each other as well as to your Main website. Wouldn't this be so obvious to Google?
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        • Profile picture of the author 4514
          Thank you Davioli, jaiganeshv, ShaneRQR and kenj - I really appreciate your input and it has cleared quite a few issues in my mind.

          It has also helped me formulate a model - will let you know re results in about 2-3 weeks.

          Have a great 2010 and happy new year.

          Thank you again

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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    I was about to reply to your question from above, but since you saw my link pyramids video, you already know my answer.

    To elaborate a little: You can use a "throw everything against the wall and see what sticks" approach with pyramids.

    For example, distribute an article to lots of different directories and make a squidoo lens and maybe a hubpage. Then, see which one of the articles ranks highest for your keyword (that's the one that "sticks") and build a pyramid to send more link-juice to that article.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv.com
    I would suggest to build a link wheel once and keep it updated regularly, inctead of going with too many link wheels with low value

    Say build 20 link wheels one time and keep them updated. It should really pass some value to your main website.

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