How to harden Adsense sites against competitors?

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Just a couple of questions I would appreciate input on but before I ask them let me just say that I am not obsessed with trying to protect my Adsense sites at the expense of continuing to build quality content and getting my sites ranked well.

I say that to hopefully avoid the usual bit of correction that seems to occur on this forum when people assume things about where I or others are coming from based on a thread post dealing with an isolated issue.

So without further adu....

I am thinking of removing the About Me page from all the Adsense sites I have built. I have placed such a page on all my Adsense sites. But it dawned on me recently that someone can simply take a unique sentence from my About Me page, search Google, and find all my sites thereby. Not good.

Do I need to have an About Me page? Is that necessary for an Adsense site?

Regarding the Privacy Page....I know that I MUST have one. And I do. But it too is uniquely written by me (no I am not going to go and copy a generic one off the internet).

If I list the Privacy Page in a robots.txt file I believe Google will be prevented from indexing it such that people can't find my sites.

Any downside to placing it in the robots.txt file? Will Google still see that I have a Privacy Page to meet Adsense requirements to have one given that it won't be in their index?

Call me paranoid or whatever you want to call me but if you would I would prefer to hear constructive input on what I have asked about if anyone has any. The pros and cons and possible consequences if you please.

Thanks.

Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author Vexo
    Just write a different about us page for every site. It only takes a few seconds
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by Vexo View Post

      Just write a different about us page for every site. It only takes a few seconds
      Appreciate the suggestion Vexo but is the About Me page even necessary? I mean it will not affect my Adsense clicks whatsoever so I figure taking it off entirely won't hurt my CTR rate. I am mainly asking from the standpoint of whether it serves any useful purpose to have one on an Adsense site?

      My About Me, Privacy Policy, Contact Me and other such pages never have Adsense on them anyway.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author zincOnline
        You need a privacy policy which properly states adsense is at work within the site, it is also necessary to be able to contact you from the site.

        other than that no an about me page isnt essential, just preferred.
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          I guess I will remove all About Me pages then.

          Interestingly I found out that the Privacy Policy or any other page crawled by the Adsense crawler will NOT be indexed in the regular Google search index.

          So I can let the Adsense crawler crawl around all over the site without concern that what it crawls will be searchable through Google search.

          So what I will do is remove the About Me page, use a robots.txt file to deny the regular Google crawler access to my Privacy Page and other pages which might be used to find all my Adsense sites through a unique sentence on them, and give the Adsense crawler unrestricted access. That should work.

          Here's where I found out about the no indexing of the Adsense crawler -> Inside AdSense: The AdSense Pub(lisher) Crawl

          Thanks for the input you all.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author zincOnline
            Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

            Interestingly I found out that the Privacy Policy or any other page crawled by the Adsense crawler will NOT be indexed in the regular Google search index.
            hmm, they definitely get indexed though - first sometimes annoyingly!
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by zincOnline View Post

              hmm, they definitely get indexed though - first sometimes annoyingly!
              According to Google the Adsense crawler does not index any pages into the regular search results.

              Only the regular Google crawler indexes pages such that Google searches will pull up the page.

              If you indicate that you do not want to have either crawler crawl your Privacy Policy through a robots.txt file...they won't.

              If a page still shows in the Google index it is most probably because it was crawled and indexed by the regular Google crawler -before- a command to not crawl the page was placed into a robots.txt file.

              Or the URL of the page in question might still show up (without a description) in the Google index if the URL is linked to from other web sites across the internet (in which case Google will respect the robots.txt file and not crawl it but will still show the URL in it's index).

              If one wants a page to be removed from the index after it has appeared there they can use a "noindex" meta tag in the page itself and Google will remove it from the Google index on the next crawl.

              In no case will Google simply ignore the robots.txt directives or the noindex meta tag short of their being a bug in their software. But with respect to such being the case that is highly unlikely since they have been using the same robots.txt file at their own domain for years without a glitch.

              At least the above is the way it is supposed to work. I have no reason to believe it doesn't work as I have described it.

              Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author zincOnline
    Ye don't sweat it just noindex it - if google comes looking the privacy policy is there for all to see.
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    I've got a lot of adsense sites and they all have a different about me page, I'm not sure what the hassle is of spending 5 minutes to think up something to write on it is. I use pen names on every site.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      I've got a lot of adsense sites and they all have a different about me page, I'm not sure what the hassle is of spending 5 minutes to think up something to write on it is. I use pen names on every site.
      It's a hassle for me in that it is one more page I have to track and otherwise re-generate whenever I make a change to my sites.

      Say for example that I add a new page at one of my Adsense sites on Blue Widgets or something.

      Well, the About Me page only has links to my home page and the rest of my existing pages on it. So to be consistent every time I add a new page to one of my sites I have to add the link to the About Me page at that site.

      I have 8 Adsense sites so far. Adding a link to each of those 8 for every new site page I create IS a hassle (even though my custom created CMS system makes it much simpler than it would be otherwise..still it IS some hassle). Even if I can add a link to all my About Me pages in 10 minutes flat which I can do with my CMS system...why should I?

      The bottom line is that if an About Me page will not increase or decrease my Adsense income one way or another why bother with it? Just take it off the sites.

      I am creating Adsense sites to make money not to inform the world about who I am or what I am about (I have other sites I do that through) .

      If a page or an object on any of my pages does not directly contribute to a site making me more in Adsense income it's history.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    I must admit you have lost me a bit.

    You would have an about me page as a Page on your wordpress site and it should show in the menu or sidebar of every page you have on your site, so why would you need to generate a new one regardless if you add a new page?

    I was under the impression that an about me page is for nothing more than "looking good" in the eyes of Google, nothing more nothing less.

    Both google sniper and Xfactor methods utilize this so I'm quite happy to do the same as I know both those methods work fantastically and who knows, just having that about me page on your site may help your rankings....
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Hi Terry,

      Sorry for any confusion. I guess I didn't explain myself clearly enough.

      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      I must admit you have lost me a bit.

      You would have an about me page as a Page on your wordpress site and it should show in the menu or sidebar of every page you have on your site, so why would you need to generate a new one regardless if you add a new page?
      I don't use WordPress to build my Adsense sites. I developed my very own CMS (Content Management System) that allows me to do a bunch of things that WordPress does not. Among those things is the ability to generate an entire site at will into stand alone HTML static pages. I can also run my sites under PHP control and make them dynamic.

      If I change the links at a site and am running as a static site then I must regenerate the About Me page to show the changed links (along with every other page on which site links are found). If I am going to have the same links consistently across my site.

      That is what I meant by having to regenerate a page if I add a new page to a site.

      I was under the impression that an about me page is for nothing more than "looking good" in the eyes of Google, nothing more nothing less.
      Of course I want to look good in the eyes of Google but quite frankly an About Me page does nothing in that regard. It doesn't do a thing with respect to convincing search engine visitors to click on Adsense ads on the rest of my site pages. It doesn't do anything to make my site look good to the Google crawler.

      And it's absence is not going to cause Google to cancel my Adsense account.

      So...why have it? I see no reason to continue including it and several reasons not to so it's history as far as my sites are concerned.

      Both google sniper and Xfactor methods utilize this so I'm quite happy to do the same as I know both those methods work fantastically and who knows, just having that about me page on your site may help your rankings....
      As far as helping my rankings...I prefer not to do things on my sites in the hope that something will work if there is no tangible logic to why it might.

      Maybe there is a logic to using an About Me page that will help either rank us better or have more people click on our Adsense sites but I just don't see it.

      I don't follow what others do just because they are successful with Adsense. I want to be even more successful which means that it has to make sense to me. If I do only what others do and don't just use what they have done as a starting point from which I can create my own success, I will never do more than those I am following do.

      By the way I do not believe John or sniper (whatever that is) tie their Adsense success to the presence of an About Me page . I think their methods work just fine without one if I am not mistaken.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author terryd
        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post


        Of course I want to look good in the eyes of Google but quite frankly an About Me page does nothing in that regard. It doesn't do a thing with respect to convincing search engine visitors to click on Adsense ads on the rest of my site pages. It doesn't do anything to make my site look good to the Google crawler.

        And it's absence is not going to cause Google to cancel my Adsense account.
        Well that's debateable, if Google does a manual inspection of your site and conclude it's just a MFA site then they will cancel your adsense account.


        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        I don't follow what others do just because they are successful with Adsense. I want to be even more successful which means that it has to make sense to me. If I do only what others do and don't just use what they have done as a starting point from which I can create my own success, I will never do more than those I am following do.
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        Personally I can't agree with you on this one, I would rather follow that those who are successful and have made mistakes so that I don't have to make those mistakes myself. Even if I follow their methods this does not mean I cannot be more successful than them, if I work harder and smarter than them and they decide to relax then eventually I will surpass their success.

        Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

        By the way I do not believe John or sniper (whatever that is) tie their Adsense success to the presence of an About Me page . I think their methods work just fine without one if I am not mistaken.
        I'm absolutely sure that they don't base their success on an About Me page but it's a part of the puzzle that they use and that's why a lot of their followers do the same because they want to have the same success. If they didn't think an About Me page was important then why would they include it as part of their formula?

        Anyway, good luck as to what ever you decide!
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by terryd View Post

          Well that's debateable, if Google does a manual inspection of your site and conclude it's just a MFA site then they will cancel your adsense account.
          If the difference between Google considering a site an MFA site that is of the junk variety and not is the presence of an About Me page then that site is...well...probably junk to begin with.

          If a site has quality content that is hand written and based on sound research into a topic so that it gives value to the site reader I seriously doubt that Google will cancel an Adsense account just because an About Me page is missing.

          My sites are all Made For Adsense in the sense that I make them to make money from Adsense but they are not MFA sites of the kind that Google is referring to since I don't scrape content, I link out to high authority sites in support of what I say on my sites, I write all the content myself and it's written very well...in short I create a quality mini-site. They are relevant, targeted, and perfectly in line with the kind of sites that Google wants Adsense on though a bit smaller than they might prefer.

          I don't just put up a bunch of poorly written text and hope that people click on my ads because they can't stand reading what my site is about. I hope they click on my ads because the ads appeal to their interests while they are reading my valuable content.

          That might not be a way that is recommended for Adsense success in some circles but I chose to operate that way. Time will tell whether my approach works as well as the junk site made for Adsense approach (otherwise known as an MFA site).

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author terryd
            Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

            My sites are all Made For Adsense in the sense that I make them to make money from Adsense but they are not MFA sites of the kind that Google is referring to since I don't scrape content, I link out to high authority sites in support of what I say on my sites, I write all the content myself and it's written very well...in short I create a quality mini-site. They are relevant, targeted, and perfectly in line with the kind of sites that Google wants Adsense on though a bit smaller than they might prefer.

            I don't just put up a bunch of poorly written text and hope that people click on my ads because they can't stand reading what my site is about. I hope they click on my ads because the ads appeal to their interests while they are reading my valuable content.

            That might not be a way that is recommended for Adsense success in some circles but I chose to operate that way. Time will tell whether my approach works as well as the junk site made for Adsense approach (otherwise known as an MFA site).

            Carlos
            You can preach that you site is the best site on the earth and it won't matter if a Google review classes it as a MFA site does it?

            The FACT is many people on this forum have had their adsense accounts deleted despite taking the same approach as you (unique content, multiple pages, quality site etc).

            MFA sites are not just sites that scrape content, they are just that MFA whether they scrape or use unique content, it appears it doesn't mean a lot in the eyes of Google.
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by terryd View Post

              You can preach that you site is the best site on the earth and it won't matter if a Google review classes it as a MFA site does it?
              In the end you are right in saying no matter what I do if Google says my account is closed for whatever reason...that's that. Little any of us can really do about that.

              But I doubt they would shut down my account based on my sites having junk content. They don't have junk content. It takes me about 2-3 hours to write one site page. That's how much attention and effort I put into the content of each page.

              I am probably overdoing it but I would rather err on the side of writing quality content than come as close as possible to writing junk to save myself a few minutes time.

              The FACT is many people on this forum have had their adsense accounts deleted despite taking the same approach as you (unique content, multiple pages, quality site etc).
              Hmm...don't know about that. If Google was in the business of closing down quality sites they would put themselves out of business. I think they object to made for Adsense sites that are pretty much junk. With scraped content, duplicate content, poorly written, more Adsense ads than content on them, tons of spammy backlinks coming in, that type of stuff. We've all seen such junk pages. Maybe some of us actually create them.

              Such sites ad little value to visitors. Their only value lies in making Adsense money for the site owner (they hope). Visitors get annoyed with such sites since they are looking for information. They don't want to go clicking on a site page only to have Adsense ads shoved into their face where the majority of a site page is Adsense ad blocks. Top, left, bottom, all over the place. Adsense, adsense, adsense.

              MFA sites are not just sites that scrape content, they are just that MFA whether they scrape or use unique content, it appears it doesn't mean a lot in the eyes of Google.
              Other than hearsay around on forums like this one I have never known of a single Adsense account canceled by Google because the site was a quality site that had Adsense on it.

              Not saying it hasn't happened only that I have not read about such happening.

              Google likes relevant site pages. It helps their search engine to direct searchers to the best site pages that will fulfill their search interest.

              If Google ever does decide to start canceling Adsense accounts willy nilly for whatever reason they want. Reasons that have nothing to do with relevancy or quality of content and usefulness to searchers that will be the way I start looking for another line of business other than Adsense.

              So far...I haven't seen any evidence at all that they are doing that so I will continue with Adsense.

              Carlos
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              • Profile picture of the author terryd
                Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post


                Other than hearsay around on forums like this one I have never known of a single Adsense account canceled by Google because the site was a quality site that had Adsense on it.

                Not saying it hasn't happened only that I have not read about such happening.

                Google likes relevant site pages. It helps their search engine to direct searchers to the best site pages that will fulfill their search interest.

                If Google ever does decide to start canceling Adsense accounts willy nilly for whatever reason they want. Reasons that have nothing to do with relevancy or quality of content and usefulness to searchers that will be the way I start looking for another line of business other than Adsense.

                So far...I haven't seen any evidence at all that they are doing that so I will continue with Adsense.

                Carlos
                Buddy, do a search on this very forum and you will find many warriors who have had their accounts shut down for no apparent reason (and I'm talking about warriors who were making a good income) , the worse thing about it is that there is nothing you can do about it if they decide that your site is a MFA.

                Again, it doesn't matter how good you think your site is, if they don't like it your gone and they are judge and jury unfortunately.

                I'm in the same boat, even though I think my sites are good, if they don't then there's a few K going down the road!
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                • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                  Originally Posted by terryd View Post

                  I'm in the same boat, even though I think my sites are good, if they don't then there's a few K going down the road!
                  If I had a few K coming in from Adsense I would definitely be diversifying into affiliate sales, selling my own products, or any number of other things because you are right in saying that whatever quality our sites may have Google may get a burp one day and decide that our sites are junk and history just because...well..they think so.

                  It would be nice to believe that Google is all reasonable and just and gracious and understanding but that would be naive of me to think that.

                  But then again it would be unreasonable and too much going the other way to believe that Google is completely arbitrary too.

                  I believe they do base their decisions around some measure of common sense. They do have to survive as a company. To do otherwise would be suicide.

                  It does strike me as odd though how some people seem to do nothing wrong by Google and get canceled and others are blatant about their violations and continue to roll in Adsense dollars.

                  I just read some stuff from one Adsense publisher yesterday, a really well known one though not in Warrior Forum circles, who was "suggesting" that people click on his Adsense ads to thank him for the free information he was giving out. I mean I have read a lot of his stuff and it's really, really good and this was the first time I ever heard him say such a thing which was quite surprising.

                  Right there in public on a page with Adsense on it! Unreal.

                  He's been doing Adsense for years and years and is still in good standing.

                  Go figure.

                  What can I say? If could figure Google out with any degree of certainty as to why they rank some sites better than others or why they cancel some hard working Adsense publishers and not others who may deserve to be canceled, I would make a fortune.

                  Sometimes I think all we can do is to the best we can and keep plugging away. Hoping that the money begins to roll in for long enough to allow us to diversify before we face the proverbial axe in the middle of our success.

                  Carlos
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                  • Profile picture of the author terryd
                    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                    If I had a few K coming in from Adsense I would definitely be diversifying into affiliate sales, selling my own products, or any number of other things because you are right in saying that whatever quality our sites may have Google may get a burp one day and decide that our sites are junk and history just because...well..they think so.
                    For sure, Adsense is only one slice of the pie and I would never rely on it solely.




                    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                    It does strike me as odd though how some people seem to do nothing wrong by Google and get canceled and others are blatant about their violations and continue to roll in Adsense dollars.
                    Yeah, I know what your saying. It worries me that for no reason that they might cancel my account but I can't just sit by and do nothing "just in case" they decide to and if I make good quality sites then hopefully they will never have reason to.



                    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post


                    Sometimes I think all we can do is to the best we can and keep plugging away. Hoping that the money begins to roll in for long enough to allow us to diversify before we face the proverbial axe in the middle of our success.

                    Carlos
                    Amen!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I don't use an about me page at all. I have a privacy policy that is quite generic - if you search that you'll find a lot of sites, not just mine. I have a contact page that just lists the email address for the site and the pen name of the "owner" . The email isn't a link but is an image that won't be harvested.

            I also don't spend much time on the analytics for this type site. I can go to cpanel and see how traffic is trending and get a lot of other info. I can see how much the site is earning.

            But, then, I don't build my sites to all look alike, either. I know there are some very smart people who have worked hard to find a method for max income - but logic tells me if all their followers use the same method, eventually it will lose its strength. So I mix it up.

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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I don't use an about me page at all. I have a privacy policy that is quite generic - if you search that you'll find a lot of sites, not just mine. I have a contact page that just lists the email address for the site and the pen name of the "owner" . The email isn't a link but is an image that won't be harvested.

              kay
              There you go. An Adsense success (I assume you are successful at Adsense Kay) that is doing pretty much what I have been talking about though a bit different in the particulars.

              Maybe I need to cut back on what I do even more Kay. My sites have a full all out contact form with a form to email script I wrote that sends me all those tons of wonderful comments people leave on my sites (I wish :rolleyes.

              As a web developer I just had to get something into my sites that was a bit more complicated than what you do for contact information Kay. Couldn't help myself LOL.

              I think I read somewhere that Google suggested a contact form so I scraped one of my own from another site that I had created and incorporated it into all my Adsense sites.

              They all send any email through just one of my Adsense sites that I have designated as the lead site through which all Adsense related emails are forwarded to me.

              It's tough to keep up with my fan mail from all those visitors that extol the virtues of my Adsense sites day in and say out I just wish they would click on some ads. Oh...wait...what am I talking about! I don't have many site visitors yet LOL.

              I'm still learning how to get my sites into the top ten spots. They improve every week but only one is there to date. Two others are close. The rest...well...they need some work.

              I still have limited funds so I can't afford to register domain after domain to see what sticks to the wall. I have to work with whatever sites I have the funds to work with. It's bad and good. Bad in that I can't put up a ton of sites. Great in that I HAVE to learn to how to make the one's I do register rank well. Adsense aside learning how to improve the ranking of sites I work on has been a tremendous and extremely valuable experience all on it's own.

              Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Hi Carlos,

            The Noindex meta tag is your friend!

            You may also want to look at writing a script that limits how many times an ad is displayed to the same visitor.
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by dburk View Post

              Hi Carlos,

              The Noindex meta tag is your friend!

              You may also want to look at writing a script that limits how many times an ad is displayed to the same visitor.
              Good suggestions Don. Thanks!

              Speaking of such scripts, I've been seriously thinking of incorporating a script into my Adsense sites to not show Adsense for any traffic coming from anywhere other than a search engine too since only search engine traffic is said to convert well for Adsense.

              For now I am mainly focused on just getting them into the top ten spots

              Carlos
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Hmm...that's odd. I placed the noindex meta tag inside all site About Me, Privacy Policy, and Contact Me pages and they are still showing up in the index after the last Google crawl for several of my domains.

              Anybody know how long it takes Google to remove noindex pages after a crawl? Is it supposed to happen more or less immediately?

              Has anyone ever had Google not noindex a page?

              Their last crawl at one such site occurred on January 9th. Some of the changes I made did not show up until today (changes to the title, description, and other such things) so maybe I am not giving them enough time.

              Don't know.

              Carlos

              Originally Posted by dburk View Post

              Hi Carlos,

              The Noindex meta tag is your friend!
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              • Profile picture of the author dburk
                Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

                Hmm...that's odd. I placed the noindex meta tag inside all site About Me, Privacy Policy, and Contact Me pages and they are still showing up in the index after the last Google crawl for several of my domains.

                Anybody know how long it takes Google to remove noindex pages after a crawl? Is it supposed to happen more or less immediately?

                Has anyone ever had Google not noindex a page?

                Their last crawl at one such site occurred on January 9th. Some of the changes I made did not show up until today (changes to the title, description, and other such things) so maybe I am not giving them enough time.

                Don't know.

                Carlos
                Hi Carlos,

                If you wait a while they will eventually remove them. If you want to expedite the removal you can do so using the removal tool inside of Webmaster Tools.

                Removing my own content from Google - Webmasters/Site owners Help
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                • Profile picture of the author carlos123
                  Thanks Don. I think I will just wait. It's not pressing that my pages be removed right away. I guess I just wrongly assumed that as soon as Google read the noindex that presto...poof...my pages would be gone in line with my wishes.

                  Oh well. Not a big deal.

                  Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by terryd View Post

          If they didn't think an About Me page was important then why would they include it as part of their formula?
          Don't know. I've never seen any of them explain why them might include an About Me page so I can't say why.

          There are lots and lots of internet marketers, good one's, that do all kinds of things on their sites just because they have seen others do it where they would not be able to adequately explain why it's good to have it. Just because they do something doesn't make it worth doing if they can't explain why it's good to do it.

          I am not knocking what John and others here do in particular only saying that for me...I chose not to include an About Me page since I see no logic or reason to include one.

          My sites are not so thin that not having an About Me will not make any difference.

          Anyway, good luck as to what ever you decide!
          Thanks. I wish you all the success in the world with your own Adsense sites.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author terryd
            Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

            Don't know. I've never seen any of them explain why them might include an About Me page so I can't say why.
            Actually if you have read the Google Sniper book he explains exactly why he includes an About Me page.
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  • I would leave everything as it is. I have bad experiences with changing things on websites. If someone finds you through your About Me page, so what. You already have many thousands of competitors for your keywords and new ones will come without even knowing that you exist. What harm could do one more?
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  • Profile picture of the author juzanobo
    Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

    Do I need to have an About Me page? Is that necessary for an Adsense site?
    No, it's not necessary.

    Regarding the Privacy Page....I know that I MUST have one. And I do. But it too is uniquely written by me (no I am not going to go and copy a generic one off the internet).
    If you are using wordpress, you can download privacy policy plugin and put it on your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by juzanobo View Post

      If you are using wordpress, you can download privacy policy plugin and put it on your site.
      Thanks for the suggestion juzanobo but I don't use WordPress on my Adsense sites. I created my own CMS system to spit out Adsense sites for me. All I do is feed it content and it generates everything for me to end up with either a dynamic PHP controlled web site on the fly or a static HTML site that doesn't need any updating and is otherwise super secure. My choice.

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  • Profile picture of the author Manivannan
    just create different 'aboutme' pages for the corresponding sites using different ip addresses.
    I recommend you to use a proxy.
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  • Profile picture of the author TJ Cox
    You can't hide with adsense. If someone finds one of your sites they can find them all. There's even a plugin to help with this task. "There are 82 other sites listed under this adense account."

    I assume it's based on the pub-id that is listed on all of your adsense sites.

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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by slash30 View Post

      You can't hide with adsense. If someone finds one of your sites they can find them all. There's even a plugin to help with this task. "There are 82 other sites listed under this adense account."

      I assume it's based on the pub-id that is listed on all of your adsense sites.
      Google does not index the pub-id. I've tried. It's simply not there or at least it does not make that id public through a Google search.

      In order to find all of one's sites a person would have to be able to search for sites with that id.

      Since you can't do a Google search for that id the only other way that I know of being able to find all sites with a given id would be to crawl the whole internet processing the source code of sites but I seriously doubt anyone is going to bother to do that not to mention that there are very few Adsense publishers who would even have the capability to even know how to use a crawler much less create one.

      If there is a plugin that finds Adsense sites it most likely does that by searching on Google for unique strings of text content found on the sites.

      But in line with what has been talked about on this thread if one makes sure there is no such unique text string on the site and prevents Google from indexing pages where such a string might be found (such as the Privacy Policy or About Me pages) there is no way that I know of to find all of one's Adsense sites.

      About the only other way would be to find out what the ezine author name of someone using ezine for article backlinks is, sign up to receive notification of new articles from that author, and find some sites that way. But if an Adsense publisher does not write articles on ezine for all their sites it's again near impossible to discover their sites.

      Which of course brings up the question of whether it is worth hiding one's sites.

      Certainly Google knows who has what Adsense sites.

      I personally like to keep my Adsense private so as to not give any of you on this forum the benefit of whatever keyword research I have done for free

      Likewise I don't want content scrapers falling in love with my content and going around finding my other sites to scrape them for additional content.

      And I don't want the hassle of having someone who ends up not liking me for some reason going around trying to cause me trouble with Google on all my sites. It's much easier to defend against attacks on one site than at all of them.

      I for one will certainly be able to sleep better when I have secured my sites as much as they can be secured . They're not quite there yet but soon will be.

      Oh and one other reason to secure my sites from prying eyes. If I use methods like linkwheels and other such methods to improve the ranking of my sites the more hidden they are the less likely that a competitor will be able to discern what I am doing and possibly complain to Google about me and my tactics for improved search engine ranking.

      Not saying that I am using such methods mind you but I may. And if my money sites and feeder sites all have good content I doubt that Google would cancel my account for promoting my own sites through my own sites. Regardless I like the idea that I can do things like that and not run afoul of competitors who will resort to anything and everything to keep me from outranking them.

      If you don't want to take steps to keep your sites private that's up to you. But I suspect that like most people who say it can't be done or that it's not worth it...your actions with respect to keeping your own sites private even on this forum say volumes about why it's important even for someone who says they can't be hidden to...well...keep them hidden LOL.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author TJ Cox
    Well I guess... But I know someone can steal my car, that doesn't mean I leave it unlocked with the keys inside.

    There's only a certain amount one can do. It's the same with any product. You can spend your hours trying to protect your product from being stolen or focus on making a better product.

    You do what you can and move on.

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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by slash30 View Post

      There's only a certain amount one can do. It's the same with any product. You can spend your hours trying to protect your product from being stolen or focus on making a better product.
      It's a matter of balance. Why not both take reasonable steps to protect your product AND focus on making a better one? I recommend we do both with an emphasis on continuing to build new Adsense sites.

      I think we would agree on that.

      How do you feel about click protection? Do you use it or recommend it? Without it couldn't a random stranger could do some damage?
      I haven't really done anything about click protection though it may be worthwhile to install a script (or for me to create one for my sites) that will prevent someone from the same IP clicking more than, say twice, on any ad block at a time. It would certainly be easier to fiddle with that than trying to convince Google that one my competitors or someone who just had it out for me was doing all the clicking.

      One thing at a time though. First things first. Hide and protect my sites as best I can. Build some more. Work some nice scripting into my sites.

      Eventually I'll get to where I want to be.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author TJ Cox
    Yep agreed. Balance is key.

    Great comments btw.

    It will be interesting to see what will take place if the adsense market gets overcrowded. (IF that's even possible.)

    Will "the bad guys" drive people out of the best markets?
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      We'll see I guess.

      One thing that I have become more or less convinced about lately is that Google's algorithm is fatally flawed. They dug their own hole and now they are suffering the consequences.

      What I mean is that they set up search to depend a great deal on backlinks. Quality, keyword relevant backlinks yes...but backlinks nevertheless. They turned backlinks into a commodity that is now sold, traded, and manipulated.

      And there is little Google can now do about it short of suffering through a massive overturning and redoing of their algorithm which I don't believe they will do.

      Instead of returning relevant and valuable content Google now returns the pages with the most backlinks. Junk is rising to the top as people game the search engine. And even pages that should not be at the top are.

      People use linkwheels, link farms, spam blog posts, you name it to get more backlinks. The sites that make it to the top are those with the most backlinks.

      If you think about it none of our Adsense sites are going to make it to the top on their own. They are too small and lack the kind of content a big, authoritative site has and content which people would naturally link to. We are all manipulating Google to get to the top.

      Just the other day I outranked an authority site by the name of familydoctor.org by far with my two page site on a health topic. I should not have been able to do that on content alone. On the quality and breadth of the content I mean. I'm not even a doctor. But...I outranked them by a mile and then some.

      How can that be? I mean my content is very good. Almost great. But not so much that I should have been able to outrank a site filled with professional medical opinion.

      It's because Google's algorithm is deeply, deeply flawed and there is little of anything they can do about it. Google is getting overrun with spam and SERP SEO manipulation.

      Good content is no longer king. Backlinks are the King and Queen and the whole kitchen sink. I mean as long as you have some content that is at least half way readable.

      All the stuff that passes for SEO is mostly hot air. SEO is really, really simple it seems to me. Whoever has the most keyword relevant, quality backlinks wins. It's that simple. That's SEO in a nutshell. No need to pay anyone to do any SEO. There's the secret. In one word. Backlinks.

      It's a joke. Really.

      It's all about how many quality backlinks we can create for our sites through methods that the normal person who is naturally backlinking would never, ever use.

      I mean who in their right mind would write an ezine article to share a link to a neat site with the world? Certainly not the average user of the Internet. It's mainly internet marketers or webmasters wanting to promote their own sites that do that.

      Same with forum signatures and all manner of other techniques we use.

      Makes me wonder if Google is just downright stupid or something. I mean how easy is it to rank for things with such techniques...pretty simple really. That shouldn't be.

      They are either stupid for allowing us to rank better than others using such internet marketing techniques or we are stupid for thinking they are stupid. Maybe they're not as stupid as they seem but how am I supposed to explain how anybody can get any traction at all from something like ezine articles?

      If I was Google I would devalue ALL links coming through places like ezine since they are mostly created by spammers, internet marketers, and those wanting to promote themselves. No natural backlinking there at all.

      Yet...they seem to count such backlinking to some degree, though to what degree is debatable, while decrying artificial ranking improvement attempts otherwise. Go figure.

      It's hard to say how long all this is going to last. I mean it seems to me that Google is becoming worse as a search engine. Not better. Great for me and you in that we can become mini-experts at manipulating it but not so good for the average searcher who eventually is going to get tired of all the junk and thin sites appearing at the top of the SERP's.

      In some respects I think Adsense is ruining the Internet. Everyone seems to have gone after Adsense these days in one way or another. Adsense is everywhere. And it's dumming down the content as Adsense publishers fall all over each other to spin the same content. It's tough to find any original, unique content anymore.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Hi Carlos,

        I don't think it has become as bad as the picture you have painted.

        Google has always ranked SERPs based on relevance. There are many web pages with great content but poorly optimized for relevance. It is easy to outrank such pages by doing just a bit better on relevance.

        Backlinks play a role in influencing relevance and they can often compensate for poorly optimized content. Google doesn't really try to judge the quality of content, only the relevance and link popularity. They do a very good job of this and I don't see anyone that has rivaled their competence in this regard.

        It's not their fault if a webmaster has done a poor job of clarifying the relevant keywords for otherwise great content. Those pages have to compensate with extra targeted promotional efforts or languish in obscurity. Google does their part , but they can't be expected to compensate for lack of effort on the part of the content creator.
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          I don't think it has become as bad as the picture you have painted.
          Perhaps I did go too far in saying Google is stupid Don. But from my perspective I don't know how else to explain all the seeming junk showing up in Google these days. Or the way in which it allows black hat SEO's to manipulate the SERP's at will.

          It's not their fault if a webmaster has done a poor job of clarifying the relevant keywords for otherwise great content.
          Agreed Don but I was referring more to the way that great content is beaten in the SERP's by SEO manipulation. Mostly from artificial, self-promoting, backlinking. I don't call that poor quality clarifying of relevant keywords. I call that poor search engine judgement when the primary way in which it determines relevancy and quality of content is not from the content itself but from the quality and relevancy of backlinks to that content.

          It is the whole notion that backlinks can determine relevant quality content that I dispute and have a problem with.

          At least in the sense that backlinks have become an item that we who are in the know can manipulate artificially to give us higher ranks in the SERP's than the quality of our content would otherwise warrant.

          People on this forum for example are not getting to the top in Google by the excellence of their Adsense site content. They are getting there on the whole because of their growing skill at search engine manipulation.

          Don't get me wrong. I love that I can manipulate my way to the top in the SERP's through backlink manipulation. It gives me as the little guy a way to beat competitors who put in less effort into doing their own manipulation of Google ranking.

          But again it's all manipulation. The quality of content has very little bearing on whether my page or that of my competitors will rank at the top.

          Those pages have to compensate with extra targeted promotional efforts or languish in obscurity. Google does their part , but they can't be expected to compensate for lack of effort on the part of the content creator.
          I generally agree with what you are saying Don. But what I am saying is that most people on this forum, as internet marketers using Adsense, are not focused on creating great content. They are focused on making money through Adsense and manipulating the search engines through SEO techniques that have little to do with the quality of page content (i.e. as in well written, informative, useful content).

          That such techniques actually work, even for substandard and low quality content, is a testament to a failure on the part of Google's algorithm and not so much a testament to a lack of effort on the part of those web site owners who pride themselves on great content.

          Google's algorithm puts pressure on all of us, whether we are great content creators or not, to resort to SEO manipulation (which mainly involves creating keyword relevant anchored backlinks for ourselves in an artificial manner without waiting on natural backlinks to occur). That's the problem. Their algorithm does not recognize and promote great content. It recognizes and promotes those with the most polished SEO manipulation, great content or not.

          To the degree that this is so...it cheapens search by causing content that should not be rising to the top, getting to the top. Artificially so.

          I suppose that great content creators could use a dose of SEO training in how to manipulate their way to the top too but my whole point is that a search engine should not force web site owners to have to resort to SEO manipulation techniques to have their great content recognized. It's algorithm should be such that great content gets recognized.

          In my opinion Google's algorithm has ceased to be one that recognizes great content as much as one which recognizes SEO effort and SEO manipulation on the part of those like us who would use such techniques to get to the top.

          Not that Google is purposely setting out to recognize and reward SEO manipulation but that is what is rewarded in the SERP's it seems to me.

          Again I am not knocking this for my purposes. I like that I can manipulate and claw my way to the top. I can make more money that way. But it also leads me to believe as I do that Google's algorithm is seriously, seriously flawed with respect to recognizing great content.

          In the last few weeks I have been reading a lot of black hat stuff to see what I can gleam from their techniques. I won't use many such techniques for me that cross a line in the sand that I will not cross. I won't lie or cheat or otherwise throw all right and wrong to the wind in a desire to make money.

          But my eyes have been opened to how easily Google can be manipulated. With impunity. At will. Whenever one wants.

          There are whole series of link wheels and armies of sites supporting some of the highest ranking sites in very competitive niches. Not because those sites have such great content but because the site owner is an expert on how to game Google.

          There are layers of feeder sites feeding link juice to other feeders which in turn feed link juice to money making sites. It's an entire underground network. Vast and highly effective.

          And it's got very little to do with great content.

          Like I said...Google's algorithm is fatally flawed and the proof is in how easily it's algorithm can be manipulated to achieve high ranking. I don't mean easily in that it doesn't take anything to do it. I mean easily in that one does not have to actually go through the hassle of having to create great content. One can just create so-so, even somewhat poor content and still get great ranking by creating a whole series of feeder blogs and sites to feed link juice to the site(s) that we want to rank highly for.

          Carlos
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          • Profile picture of the author carlos123
            The problem with what I consider to be Google's broken algorithm is even worse than I described above.

            I just got through reading several long posts with comments at Blogger detailing the frustrations of trying to deal with spam or at least what they consider to be spam.

            The essence of the problem is that they can't tell 100% which blogs are splogs (or set up for purposes of spamming) and not. So they end up with false positives (labeled falsely as spam) and false negatives (spam blogs labeled falsely as legitimate blogs).

            The more they tighten the algorithm to detect spam the more false positives they get with the resultant consequence to Blogger of coming to be viewed by legitimate bloggers as not being a good blogging platform.

            The more they free it up the more false negatives they end up with which results in more splogs coming into existence.

            There is no way from an algorithmic standpoint that they can entirely avoid either side of the same coin. They will either end up with more false positives (ticking off more and more legitimate bloggers) or false negatives (allowing more and more spam blogs to be legitimized).

            If we create legitimate blogs with a goal of using those blogs to build legitimate and relevant backlinks...guess what? Google cannot tell per their algorithm what our motive in creating said blog is! In other words their algorithm cannot detect motives!

            It's broken or should I say imperfect in detecting spammers based on content alone because the spamming content is getting closer and closer to looking like regular content if not actual legitimate content.

            If you read the posts at Blogger you see a microcosm of what the internet as a whole is becoming at least on Google. The problem blogger is experiencing will spill out into the internet as a whole (it already has).

            Now in the case of blogger they are fighting against spammers who literally create thousands of blogs for the purpose of spamming. I am talking literally thousands of blogs through the use of automated scraping software.

            In our case we might create 10 blogs to feed link juice to our sites.

            In Google's eyes it's all spam or spammy at best if our motives are to create artifical link juice for self-promotion.

            But they can't tell who is spamming and who is not based on content alone when the content created is scraped from legitimate blogs or sites and reworked a little so as to be unique but still maintain the appearance of being legitimate.

            The net result is that Google's index is getting overrun with spammy sites (i.e. scraped content sites, fake sites set up just for the purpose of providing backlinks, etc.) Cheap content sites that rise in the rankings with a whole army of other cheap sites supporting them and giving each other link juice.

            And their algorithm is to blame in that it prizes backlinks as the means of determining value of content. The base value put on backlinking and the ability to game the search engine through such value has caused the problem.

            And there is no solution in sight. At least not from an algorithmic standpoint.

            If Google cannot tell through their algorithm what is spam and what is not (and they can't...at least not anywhere near 100% of the time despite having the best engineers working on the problem) then spam and spamming techniques (or should I say black hat link farming and other such techniques) will continue to win the day with respect to search engine ranking.

            They have dug their own hole and are sitting squarely in it and good content, excellent content is in many cases left unrecognized in the rankings as a result of spammers winning the day through their SEO manipulation techniques. With the end result that cheap sites continue to appear at the top of search results or where some top ranking quality sites (hard to say how many) are in part getting there as a result of legions of feeder sites artificially set up just to give them link juice.

            Now I realize that perhaps I am painting a very negative picture of Google search results. It's not that bad yet. But I have also seen a lot of junk at the top of SERP's. And I have seen great content buried in the SERP's by those who have become experts at manipulating Google. What I have said hints at their being some truth in what I am saying though it may not entirely support my belief that Google's algorithm is rather broken .

            Carlos
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