My Page 1 Sites Vanished From Google Overnight, Was It Due To Backlink Work?

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Hey warriors, I hope someone can help me here, I am kind of freaking out, I noticed yesterday my main money site wasn't appearing when it was on page 2 for term home working jobs, page 5 for work from home and page 1 position 1 for term work from home dvds for the best part of a year as well as ranking for other long tail work from home terms, now its gone.

I thought it may just be the usual google search engine dance, but then I also checked some of my other sites, one I had ranking for terms like write an ebook which was also page 1 and a site ranking page 1 position 4 for term cat training book, all these sites have vanished from their page 1 positions and are not listing for their search terms. I spent a lot of time getting the sites where they are and not to long ago took advantage of a offer and had some back link work done which seemed to help boost the sites.

The thing about all my sites that have vanished is they are all the ones I had backlink work done on and my keywords were in the anchor text. It's almost like google has barred my sites from listing for the anchor text keywords.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar or can shed any light on this please or what they think may have happend.

Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
    I've read several blogs today claiming that Caffeine started to go live at a handful of data centres yesterday.

    If that's true, I would imagine some funky things are going to be happening with ranking over the next few days. I guess it will all depend on whether or not the new algorithm likes your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
      What is Caffeine?
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      • Profile picture of the author terryd
        Originally Posted by Information Publishing View Post

        What is Caffeine?

        The name of the latest google update.
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    backlink work?? those seo tricks usually work for the short term.. have you compared to where you were before you had the work done?? i never heard of you can be penalized for someone linking to you.. if seo company uses door way pages.. and other temp boost.. the effect could go away very quickly.. I know a friend who spent money on seo work.. his site could be #1 for a particular term.. then a short while later.. boom.. it is gone.. not a trace...
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    • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
      Hi digigo, thanks for the reply, the company that did the backlink work and authority site link work does good work I found them through a WSO and they are not one of the companies to watch out for, so nothing black hat was done. Blogs created, social accounts, RSS feed submission etc, so nothing dodgy.

      Before the work I was already ranking well for my terms, specially the long term of work from home, I had first spot for work from home dvds, work from home cds page 1, now I am not even listing for them. I was page 1 for write an ebook and writing ebooks, now no where to be seen.

      Page 1 for cat training book and now no where to be seen, these are all sites I did have link work done with in the end though and my anchor text for each had keywords in it, so whether the big Gs update is penalising incoming links related to the site I have no idea what is going on. My results only vanished within the last 24 hours though, so whether they will come back I have no idea, but like I say, 3 different sites, 3 different hosts in 3 different niches and all no longer ranking for their keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    Caffeine update... only logical explanation
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  • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
    Do you think it will go back to normal?
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  • Profile picture of the author digigo
    that would be next round of update.. I believe it is a 30 days cycle update.. not sure the timing of updates now as google can update in much higher frequency
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  • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
    Well my main money site is usually indexed and updated weekly so if I do something on the site it shows on google within a week. Last two changes though were different, instead of being a week, one update was 17th, other 24th and last 28th.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Google Algorithm for 2010 is now going to be based a lot on speed time of your site not links into it. your site will be compared to others for time of load they have incorporated a new tool to test and optimize your site in the webmaster tools section at google

    -WD
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    • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
      Thanks WD, that major sucks if you host your own videos or have streaming content, would that mean a text based site with no graphics would get priority over a site with rich multimedia content?
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      • Profile picture of the author digigo
        Originally Posted by Information Publishing View Post

        Thanks WD, that major sucks if you host your own videos or have streaming content, would that mean a text based site with no graphics would get priority over a site with rich multimedia content?
        I think what WD trying to say is .. google will take into consideration user experience.. if the site is slow.. if the site has too much down time.. google will take note
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  • Profile picture of the author theteach
    The same thing happened to me!!! I created some backlinks the past two days, and poof! My site, which used to be on the first and second pages for several search terms disappeared!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
    Originally Posted by Information Publishing View Post

    Hey warriors, I hope someone can help me here, I am kind of freaking out, I noticed yesterday my main money site wasn't appearing when it was on page 2 for term home working jobs, page 5 for work from home and page 1 position 1 for term work from home dvds for the best part of a year as well as ranking for other long tail work from home terms, now its gone.

    I thought it may just be the usual google search engine dance, but then I also checked some of my other sites, one I had ranking for terms like write an ebook which was also page 1 and a site ranking page 1 position 4 for term cat training book, all these sites have vanished from their page 1 positions and are not listing for their search terms. I spent a lot of time getting the sites where they are and not to long ago took advantage of a offer and had some back link work done which seemed to help boost the sites.

    The thing about all my sites that have vanished is they are all the ones I had backlink work done on and my keywords were in the anchor text. It's almost like google has barred my sites from listing for the anchor text keywords.

    Has anyone else experienced anything similar or can shed any light on this please or what they think may have happend.

    Thanks in advance.
    It's the same thing I tried to tell another guy on warrior forum yesterday. The Google staff has been warning and advising everyone about these changes for a very long time now.

    The content and amount of content your site has is way more important than a ton of backlinks these days. They are transitioning to a much better system that actually ranks sites on original content and volume of original content instead of links.

    This makes it harder to rank but it evens the playing field for people with real businesses that keep their ordinance updated constantly.

    Sucks for many, very good for the rest of us because eventually people won't be able to rank unless their willing to put in real work.

    It's how search engines were intended to function in the first place but the understanding was not there before like it is now.

    Thank all the people that use Google, allowing them to test and experiment to become who they are today. The ultimate engine!

    The user friendly site with massive original content on a particular topic topic will always be claim the top ranks, now then and forever(more now than ever).
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      If your sites are gone you need to figure out why. The data is there for you too, all you need to do is look. By this I mean look at what has taken your place. Do a full analysis of it all and you'll probably notice some striking differences in the new rankings. It's the only way.
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    • Profile picture of the author activetrader
      Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post


      The content and amount of content your site has is way more important than a ton of backlinks these days. They are transitioning to a much better system that actually ranks sites on original content and volume of original content instead of links.
      This is understandable. Google strives to provide positive user experience. It has become such BAU for marketers to manipulate rankings to spam sites that it makes perfect sense for google to change how it ranks web pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author HCLee
      I don' t think this is true going by what Matt Cutts said in a video. Here is the thread that has the video. Hope it's still there:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post1514301

      Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post


      The content and amount of content your site has is way more important than a ton of backlinks these days. They are transitioning to a much better system that actually ranks sites on original content and volume of original content instead of links.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjedda63
        In the last two days my rankings have been turned upside down. My sites with best rankings have most backlings/little content, but now my sites with little backlinks/ much content are overnight lifted up to #1-4.
        This suits very well to what Google told us they would do in 2010.
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  • Profile picture of the author theteach
    Wealthyclark, are you sure?

    Just the other day, I had over 250 original articles and less backlinks. Today, I have the same 250 or so articles and more backlinks, but, my ranking is almost non-existent.
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    • Profile picture of the author cmo140
      I had the same thing happen to me. My webmaster site has about 11 rankings for keywords that I never did anything for. All of them are on the first page of google which states from the webmaster. When I click on the link and look for my site its gone. Now I never did any SEO for these keywords. Google placed them for me. Why would webmaster be screwed up?
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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      Originally Posted by theteach View Post

      Wealthyclark, are you sure?

      Just the other day, I had over 250 original articles and less backlinks. Today, I have the same 250 or so articles and more backlinks, but, my ranking is almost non-existent.
      Yes, just as you said you have the same 250 articles and more back links. I wont say back links don't play a good part of the rankings but you need quality links from reputable sites.

      A lot of people say that there is no way Google penalizes for links because I others would just do it to their competition. Well that's bull, you do get penalized for the wrong links that come in too fast and too uniformed. There are other factors too but no one knows it all but Google. The key in in the original content.

      If I had to make a choice between building 500 back links from sites like ezine, squidoo........ or creating 50 new pages on my site all containing original content that complements each other I"d pick the 50 new pages and let the linking structure work it's self out.

      The problem is that most people want results now and that is not reality when building a business to last. You must show every person and network possible that your serious and in it for the long haul. To do this your must continue to produce quality content, it took a long time for this to sink into my head because I was like 99% of us, I wanted results so I looked for any easy way out I could find.

      Easy come and easy go, period

      Keep writing but stay original and on topic
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  • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
    This is really unfair to people on shared hosting who experience latency even from tiny files. There are a lot of really high quality pages that are on shared hosting, and many of those people can't afford to move to better hosting.
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by Taylor French View Post

      This is really unfair to people on shared hosting who experience latency even from tiny files. There are a lot of really high quality pages that are on shared hosting, and many of those people can't afford to move to better hosting.
      Hi Taylor,

      let me explain it this way . Google has caught on to the false inflation of sites so they flipped everything again. however this is not new a site load time should be under 6-8 seconds and if you want your visitor to remain you need to have some sort of links for them or text to capture them within 2.

      I have a video on my site a fairly big sized graphic but the load time is 2.6 seconds you can optimize your videos and images. Google is more content driven it loves content fresh real content mmmm yummy Google says Don't misunderstand the popularity of your site and the amount of sites linking to it are still relevant it just is not the main indexing aspect they are looking for now or rather the spider is looking for.

      Don't worry it is not like your not going to get indxed text based sites such as blogs etc get indexed whammo images video or not it just depends on the load time as to how it competes with others sites that will make it relevant in the top 10

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      • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
        Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

        Hi Taylor,

        let me explain it this way . Google has caught on to the false inflation of sites so they flipped everything again. however this is not new a site load time should be under 6-8 seconds and if you want your visitor to remain you need to have some sort of links for them or text to capture them within 2.

        I have a video on my site a fairly big sized graphic but the load time is 2.6 seconds you can optimize your videos and images. Google is more content driven it loves content fresh real content mmmm yummy Google says Don't misunderstand the popularity of your site and the amount of sites linking to it are still relevant it just is not the main indexing aspect they are looking for now or rather the spider is looking for.

        Don't worry it is not like your not going to get indxed text based sites such as blogs etc get indexed whammo images video or not it just depends on the load time as to how it competes with others sites that will make it relevant in the top 10

        HTH
        -WD
        Most of my blogs have a load time of 4-6 seconds. Google's Webmaster Tools says this is "slow" and that (as an example) one of my blogs loaded slower than 71% of websites (it loaded in 4.7 seconds). Is this a problem? I mean, do 71% of sites really load faster than 4.7 seconds?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I found them through a WSO and they are not one of the companies to watch out for, so nothing black hat was done. Blogs created, social accounts
    If you are having backlinks artificially created... this is black hat and spamming. No crying about it if you are penalized for doing this.

    What is Caffeine?
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    OK, let's throw some cold water on this thread. This is rampant speculation. I'm not being critical. I do it too. But we all need to realize that it's incredibly complex and we don't work for Google, especially in positions where this stuff really gets decided.

    I suspect that for at least the next several weeks, things will be in flux as data centers change and things shake out. I freak out too when rankings I've grown dependent upon are lost. So no stones in glass houses here, ok? Just saying, take a deep breath and don't come to any dire conclusions about the long-term over what you're seeing in the first few hours or even days of this change.

    This is when you put your head down and do what you know Google will ALWAYS love: make more original, interesting content and get it out there.

    Avoid the temptation to navel gaze about all of this, trying to figure out what you did "wrong." Again, stick to what you know is never going to be "penalized" in the rankings... content.

    OK, I'm off my high horse now. Feel free to flame me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post


      OK, I'm off my high horse now. Feel free to flame me.

      John
      Flame the voice of reason? No, what you say is right. It's too early to know how it will shake out over the next few weeks, and way too early to panic.

      Check back with me in a couple weeks, I'll let you know if it's okay to panic then.
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      • Profile picture of the author JimmyRose
        I've also copped a bit of a hit. It's weird though, that all my crappy throwaway adsense sites with a few hours work are still ranked well. It's my ones with lots of work, content and unique link wheels that are no longer ranked top 500...
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        • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
          Originally Posted by JimmyRose View Post

          I've also copped a bit of a hit. It's weird though, that all my crappy throwaway adsense sites with a few hours work are still ranked well. It's my ones with lots of work, content and unique link wheels that are no longer ranked top 500...
          That is exactly what I am experiencing. My quality sites with pages and pages of content have taken hits, but my small sites with very little content are stronger than ever.

          It's like my larger sites are being penalized and my smaller sites are being boosted. :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author HealthBuff
            Simon - I am self taught (web developing) and have been like an information sponge for the last 4 months. A very experienced web techie told me that if your web coding was not up to scratch Google et al can penalise the web site by dropping it down the ranks.

            He directed me to

            http://validator.w3.org/

            Run your website name ie http://www etc thru here and be prepared to be shocked.

            I managed to fix over 100 errors and then felt I couldn't cope with the next 350!

            I have just outsourced this work to Warrior Prashaant (you can search for his name in the advance search). He completed the work in less than three hours and his charge is extremely reasonable. I highly recommend his services.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mattk
              Originally Posted by HealthBuff View Post

              Simon - I am self taught (web developing) and have been like an information sponge for the last 4 months. A very experienced web techie told me that if your web coding was not up to scratch Google et al can penalise the web site by dropping it down the ranks.

              He directed me to

              http://validator.w3.org/

              Run your website name ie http://www etc thru here and be prepared to be shocked.

              I managed to fix over 100 errors and then felt I couldn't cope with the next 350!

              I have just outsourced this work to Warrior Prashaant (you can search for his name in the advance search). He completed the work in less than three hours and his charge is extremely reasonable. I highly recommend his services.
              I just checked out a few of my sites with this tool, and got a few errors. Less than 100 for 2 different sites with 25 pages.

              Then for the hell of it, I checked one of my small blogger blogs, and got almost 400 errors. I bet I don't even have 500 words on the entire blog.

              Google better not be penalizing for bad code if blogger is worse than anything I have out there.:rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
                Originally Posted by Mattk View Post

                I just checked out a few of my sites with this tool, and got a few errors. Less than 100 for 2 different sites with 25 pages.

                Then for the hell of it, I checked one of my small blogger blogs, and got almost 400 errors. I bet I don't even have 500 words on the entire blog.

                Google better not be penalizing for bad code if blogger is worse than anything I have out there.:rolleyes:
                Haha! So Google's own blog system has more errors than your own pages. Funny. Way to go, Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Good point John,

    The thing I mentioned is true and accurate came from google and from webpro news I receive Google indeed has implemented this in the webmaster tools as well.

    Who knows exactly why as you say but it is there now
    -WD

    Edited |To Add.....
    Here is a couple links that speak about this more in depth
    HTH
    -WD
    http://blog.ineedhits.com/search-new...1-08SFDIYdiy2h

    http://blog.ineedhits.com/search-new...1-08SFDIYdiy1h
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  • Profile picture of the author theteach
    Thanks Wealthyclark. You're 100% right and that's exactly what I am going to do.
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    Waiting for James to pitch in with his anti google relying techniquies.
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  • Profile picture of the author roxstar
    Yup -.-' Happened to me too. I was ranked for "make money blogging" despite having other people tell me it's impossible, then poof - I'm gone. And what I'm getting at is content will be the overall decider of rankings?

    I thnk that on-page factors will be more important to SEO, but I also disagree to the link views. In the Google patent it shows that a site will also rank according to links - I'm going with them. I'm betting they're placing more importance on certain types of links, though. Probably viral links like Digg, and stuff because it's f'ing hard to get a lot of those.

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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
    I wouldn't worry greatly in the short term. Keep doing what you have been doing and you should be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbbiz
    Originally Posted by Information Publishing View Post

    Hey warriors, I hope someone can help me here, I am kind of freaking out, I noticed yesterday my main money site wasn't appearing when it was on page 2 for term home working jobs, page 5 for work from home and page 1 position 1 for term work from home dvds for the best part of a year as well as ranking for other long tail work from home terms, now its gone.

    I thought it may just be the usual google search engine dance, but then I also checked some of my other sites, one I had ranking for terms like write an ebook which was also page 1 and a site ranking page 1 position 4 for term cat training book, all these sites have vanished from their page 1 positions and are not listing for their search terms. I spent a lot of time getting the sites where they are and not to long ago took advantage of a offer and had some back link work done which seemed to help boost the sites.

    The thing about all my sites that have vanished is they are all the ones I had backlink work done on and my keywords were in the anchor text. It's almost like google has barred my sites from listing for the anchor text keywords.

    Has anyone else experienced anything similar or can shed any light on this please or what they think may have happend.

    Thanks in advance.
    Hi,

    Just was curious to know what happened to your rankings? Are you still of the map or did things change?

    Cheers,
    Richard
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    hmmm..interesting developments here

    Actually, i would welcome this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    I wouldn't rely on Caffeine's first days data to make assumptions. Just sit back, relax and give it a couple months to make adjustments.

    IF you really want to make tests, do them in spare sites/ old blogs, etc.

    BUT PLEASE... don't go changing everything just because your rankings gone away.

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  • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
    Thanks everyone for contributing to this thread, just a quick update after about 48 hours or so my main money site started reappearing for its keywords and some with better ranks, but it was real scary for a while there. Before it reappeared the last time it was crawled was 28th December 2009, yesterday jan 9th it has January 4th as its last crawl, so its still being spidered weekly. Here in the UK it is now ranking number 1 position for term work from home dvds and work from home cds as well as some other long tail keywords for term work from home. Could you all check and see what position my site appears on your version of google as I know it displays differently based on where people are.

    My cat training site has also reappeared and thats showing Jan 2nd as its last crawl but not sure how often that one is crawled, its dropped down the page to 7th from 4th but still page 1 for its term. My eBook site has not reappeared yet, but as the others have I guess that will pop back up on page 1 where it was before.

    Anyone here whose sites vanished for a while, has your site or sites reappeared yet?
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    better or worse?
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