Indexing Worries, Again

14 years ago

Hi george
I had the same issue with a .info domain. I done everything in my power to make sure i get indexed but it took 12 days or so. Not too sure why.

When i do this with .com domains i tend to get indexed very quickly but for the .info it took ages.

Is yours a .com or .info domain?

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Kay King

14 years ago

i have a few unique articles on there but was going to wait adding more content until its indexed.

This is where I differ on this.

I've wondered if you can push too hard when you first upload a site. It seems those who worry most about slow indexing often are perplexed becuase they have

bookmarked and SEOed the **** out of it, i submit RSS feeds, stat blasted the site, have articles on Goarticles and Articlesbase, Yahoo answers, bookmarked it on a lot of sites, bookmarked single articles, digg, reddit and whatnot.

I notice a lot of marketers are using that strategy. What it does is just keep repeating "look at my site". If you are worrying about indexing again and again, change the strategy you are using.

I upload a new site with at least 10-15 full pages of good content, submit a few articles and then add new content to the site daily - and the sites are indexed rather quickly. After they are indexed I start doing the other stuff you list above to start work on ranking the site.

My feeling is that indexing will happen - whether its fast or slow it will happen. What is most important is moving the site up and getting traffic after its indexed.

I don't claim to be an SEO expert but when I upload a site it totals at least 25 pages and usually more when it is launched. Larger sites are often indexed in as little as a few hours and others show up in a couple days.

Point is - if what you are doing is not working as you want it to, change what you are doing and see if that works better.

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

*.com, always

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

so i will just add more content then..glad i have some articles here just waiting to be posted.

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debra

14 years ago

Depending on the content of the site you built, I also use commenting on major news channels to get decent spider attention. I also target web2.0 magazines that are available for the niche and offer enough traffic flow for the effort.

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GazD

14 years ago

Have you built a sitemap and pinged the engines with it?

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

sure, analytics, webmaster tools...have the sitemap plugin, made sitemap and submitted to webmaster tools also.

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

sure, analytics, webmaster tools...have the sitemap plugin, made sitemap and submitted to webmaster tools also.

Ouch...why don't you just swing by 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway for a quick visit while you're at it.

Well, here's the scoop on your domain, at least my best guess as to what you're seeing. Your domain was previously owned during 2008 and used as a thin affiliate site. The previous owner did something of a dark nature that got the site deindexed and they dropped the domain, a common thing on the dark side. The domain was deleted but the penalty deindexing flag remains in Google's databases (so much for the theory that Google actively tracks domain registrations, right).

So, today, you've registered what you think is a brand new domain but, it really isn't. It has a history and not such a good one. Since you've already registered it with Webmaster tools, request reinclusion, explaining that you're the new owner blah blah blah. Make sure your content is squeaky clean and can withstand a strong visual inspection. You should get reincluded within about 1-3 months, maybe sooner if you're lucky.

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halfpoint

14 years ago

Wow, that's interesting, bgmacaw.

How did you find out they did something black hat?

Do you always check the history of the domains you're planning on registering? I've never bothered and so far haven't had any problems. I suppose I have just been lucky.

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Kay King 14 years ago

One simple way - wayback machine (just google it and you'll find the archive"

I don't always check domains but if they are in a niche where questionable practices are rampant (dating, weight loss, etc) I do check them.

If you have a problem with a new site the answer isn't just to keep madly trying to juice it up with links, etc - sometimes you have to step back and analyze the situation instead of over-analyzing the stats for the site.

BG made a good call - keep adding to the site and stop worrying about the stats for now and eventually you'll overcome the problem. If you are in a hurry, find a clean domain name and put the site on that one.

Personally, I'd just add a new page a couple times a week and ignore the site for now while I started another one.

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Pat Jackson

How did you find out they did something black hat?

Do you always check the history of the domains you're planning on registering? I've never bothered and so far haven't had any problems. I suppose I have just been lucky.

It's just a hunch but given the wayback machine content and the niche on top of it being deindexed, this makes it very likely. Usually what will have happened is that the domain was used as a gateway page and had 10000+ low quality links to it built overnight. It would jump up to the top of SERPS until Google caught on and blew it away.

Like Kay said, I only check in high competition niches before I buy although I've run across a number of product/hobby domains that have problems getting indexed since they were used with thin affiliate scripts like BANS in the past.

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BethanyTbloosky 14 years ago

Be patient. My best suggestion to this: as soon as you set your site to be indexed- don't touch it until it is. The more changes you make, the longer the process and you might trigger the algorithm to send your site to the back of the line if you change certain things. Be patient... it will come around
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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Ouch...why don't you just swing by 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway for a quick visit while you're at it.

Well, here's the scoop on your domain, at least my best guess as to what you're seeing. Your domain was previously owned during 2008 and used as a thin affiliate site. The previous owner did something of a dark nature that got the site deindexed and they dropped the domain, a common thing on the dark side. The domain was deleted but the penalty deindexing flag remains in Google's databases (so much for the theory that Google actively tracks domain registrations, right).

So, today, you've registered what you think is a brand new domain but, it really isn't. It has a history and not such a good one. Since you've already registered it with Webmaster tools, request reinclusion, explaining that you're the new owner blah blah blah. Make sure your content is squeaky clean and can withstand a strong visual inspection. You should get reincluded within about 1-3 months, maybe sooner if you're lucky.

WOW! Nice find!!! Heading to webmaster tools right now...

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Ouch...why don't you just swing by 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway for a quick visit while you're at it.

Well, here's the scoop on your domain, at least my best guess as to what you're seeing. Your domain was previously owned during 2008 and used as a thin affiliate site. The previous owner did something of a dark nature that got the site deindexed and they dropped the domain, a common thing on the dark side. The domain was deleted but the penalty deindexing flag remains in Google's databases (so much for the theory that Google actively tracks domain registrations, right).

So, today, you've registered what you think is a brand new domain but, it really isn't. It has a history and not such a good one. Since you've already registered it with Webmaster tools, request reinclusion, explaining that you're the new owner blah blah blah. Make sure your content is squeaky clean and can withstand a strong visual inspection. You should get reincluded within about 1-3 months, maybe sooner if you're lucky.

Just an update, the site losethatweightfast.com got NEVER indexed, even after reconsideration request.

Got tired of it, got new domain (better even IMHO)...and moved the site to the new domain. 5 Minutes after i tweeted the new site it was indexed in Google.

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Just an update, the site losethatweightfast.com got NEVER indexed, even after reconsideration request.

I've bought a few like that too. The choice is to waste time on it or move on to another domain. I usually throw these clunkers into Google Adsense parking and turn off automatic renew. Out of about 600 domains purchased, I've only encountered 8 that I couldn't get reindexed by getting good links alone.
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14 years ago

That's some real good information, bgmacaw. Shows how important it is to do proper research before purchasing a domain.

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Ouch...why don't you just swing by 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway for a quick visit while you're at it.

Well, here's the scoop on your domain, at least my best guess as to what you're seeing. Your domain was previously owned during 2008 and used as a thin affiliate site. The previous owner did something of a dark nature that got the site deindexed and they dropped the domain, a common thing on the dark side. The domain was deleted but the penalty deindexing flag remains in Google's databases (so much for the theory that Google actively tracks domain registrations, right).

So, today, you've registered what you think is a brand new domain but, it really isn't. It has a history and not such a good one. Since you've already registered it with Webmaster tools, request reinclusion, explaining that you're the new owner blah blah blah. Make sure your content is squeaky clean and can withstand a strong visual inspection. You should get reincluded within about 1-3 months, maybe sooner if you're lucky.

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goginoo

14 years ago

building a sitemap, and pinging to the search engines, submitting links in social bookmarking like reddiet or digg this will help you a lot!

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Agz21

14 years ago

It takes 1 month for google to update their database, so dont panic. Just keep on building backlinks, as long as you dont spam anyone

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

I am getting desperate, i NEVER had a site taking 7+ days simply to get indexed. NEVER. Needless to say i add content now, i bookmark and do/did everything mentioned in the thread. I am putting my link in here now Weight Loss although i bookmarked and submit it already at any known place to men..maybe google picks it up from here.

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debra

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I am getting desperate, i NEVER had a site taking 7+ days simply to get indexed. NEVER. Needless to say i add content now, i bookmark and do/did everything mentioned in the thread. I am putting my link in here now Weight Loss although i bookmarked and submit it already at any known place to men..maybe google picks it up from here.

You could easily create a profile at Fitness Magazine: Weight-loss plans, video workouts, abs exercises, diet plans, beauty tricks, and health advice and participate just a tad in the community and make comments on some of the blogs to bring attention to your site. That would probably do it.

btw- I have a bunch of this sites.

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

yeah its my first in that niche, but it seems already doomed

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Kay King

14 years ago

It's not doomed - but it is slow.

I wonder if the slowdown might be due to it being so close to another url that is already online. Don't know if that would delay indexing.

You have
losethatweightfast.com

and they have "losetheweightfast.com"

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debra

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

It's not doomed - but it is slow.

I wonder if the slowdown might be due to it being so close to another url that is already online. Don't know if that would delay indexing.

You have
How To Lose Weight Fast (one more link ain't gonna hurt)

and they have "losetheweightfast.com"

Well..just for grins...

I pinged the site and submitted the feed to some health and fitness only related rss directories. Using the term "Fast Weight Lose" for the title.

Oh..and...

I took the feed and did the same thing but used "Fast Weight Lose Full Feed".

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Stephen Crooks

14 years ago

As an experiment a few weeks back, I bought several domains based on reasonably popular keywords with low to average competition in the top 10 of Google. My experiment was to throw in around 5 articles per domain and just ping them to pingomatic every time a post is made.

The full results of this experiment will go up on my blog when I eventually find the time. After 4 days, all of them had every post indexed in Google albeit varying in ranking quite wildly. Most of them were in the top 100 however, with the best post at number 8 in Google.

On the strength of this and the post from bgmacaw, I wouldn't worry. I have certainly proved to myself conclusively now that it is possible to get a good keyword domain with all the right on-page SEO indexed in Google with no real promotion.

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Every time i make a new site i am getting worried if the indexing is delayed.

I made a new site about a week ago with the first article on it on Jan, 8th.

I already bookmarked and SEOed the **** out of it, i submit RSS feeds, stat blasted the site, have articles on Goarticles and Articlesbase, Yahoo answers, bookmarked it on a lot of sites, bookmarked single articles, digg, reddit and whatnot.

I did everything my SEO knowledge tells me, i have a few unique articles on there but was going to wait adding more content until its indexed.

Its now 5 days ago since i put the first article on there and i can find my links already on quite some places on the net - BUT STILL NOT INDEXED.

Starting to freak out really since i am at wit's end with this.

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zoobie

14 years ago

a .info domain was on the spammer or hacker list I think... probably it is too cheap

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MusicisMagic

14 years ago

I find there has never been any uniformity ...sometimes one hour sometimes a week...and yeah info is a bit longer...quite certain.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Every time i make a new site i am getting worried if the indexing is delayed.

That's the last thing you should worry about! It will drive you crazy. SEO is a process it is not something that happens instantly and yet sometimes it takes 8 - 14 days to get indexed.

Just concentrate on creating good high quality content, build links in the right pace and you'll be fine.

Besides if it happens to you time after time and you get indexed anyway then why worry?

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

I am "concerned" since i do the usual SEO, nothing "black", but still never know whether this or that i am doing is getting my site(s) into trouble. Because w/ Google you never know. Does submitting to a bunch of social BM sites get me in trouble? If i leave a bunch of comments "too early"...does it get me into trouble? I am promoting an affiliate program..does it get me into trouble? Things like that. Just the usual paranoia

Anyway i filed a reconsideration request.

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

since the content on the "new" site is literally 1:1 identical to the site which never got indexed...makes you wonder why on earth does google not take the penalty (from the former owner of the domain) away if a domain has a new owner?

That old site had one pciture and the rest were affiliate banners, so i told google i am the new owner, i made a totally new site on that domain....inclusion request...nothing. Doesnt make too much sense.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I already bookmarked and SEOed the **** out of it, i submit RSS feeds, stat blasted the site, have articles on Goarticles and Articlesbase, Yahoo answers, bookmarked it on a lot of sites, bookmarked single articles, digg, reddit and whatnot.

I think you are overdoing it. You need a few quality links and some content and then chill. I recently did a test on this with a new domain, I put about 4 backlinks on it and it was indexed within 48 hours. Once the bot crawls from a high authority site it records what it finds. If your on page content is optimized then you will see results. If it visits 200 times more and doesn't like what it sees then theres no real benefit.

I'm not going to tell you that you get penalized by Google long term for overdoing it. I don't think thats the case but we have to realize google couldn't care less if a new site gets indexed fast. Perhaps it sees some dodgy activity and has a subroutine that just puts those sites in time out until the site shows something undetermined.

Because I used the site as a test of some principles I took my time (week between changes at least) and low and behold its been one of my easiest sites to rank.

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dotslash 14 years ago

And I'm sure you've checked this but just in case as I haven't seen anyone mention it - the default on some versions of wordpress under the privacy settings is "I would like to block search engines." You won't get indexed ever with that set

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GeorgR. 14 years ago

I'm not going to tell you that you get penalized by Google long term for overdoing it.

in this case, the domain had a penalty since the old owner had a horrible site on it and probably also did some bl@ckhat stuff. It simply irked me i didn't get the penalty removed as new owner with a 100% different site.

As for "overdoing it"...yes usually i am careful, i run it through bookmark poster..maybe tweet, thats it. I dont do "serious" link building on a brand new site.
But with the old domain,...it was just obvious that it simply didnt get indexed, even with a couple EZA/goarticles. (I didnt build hundreds of links, just some bookmarking and the articles. Enough to make sure it gets indexed.)
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