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Blackhat Competitor - please help

by gboyce
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Hi All

I was ranking top 3 for a search term until a new site came out of nowhere and took the top spot.

This new site is Chinese based and while its white hat onsite but has over 30,000 backlinks. Of the ones I've looked at they have all been comments and blog spam.

I've tried posting on the google webmasters forum. People have told me that a spam report wont do anything because technicaly I could have posted the links and be trying to set the site up.

I've said this is pretty frustrating as this site has been able to come out of nowhere to take the top spot while its engaging in black hat SEO.

The problem is, a lot of the contributors on google webmasters wont even entertain the idea that any blackhat method could ever help a website. They tell me that the black hat links dont count. Or they say that this site must actually have some really great genuine links. However this site wont have got these genuine links 'naturally' or in any kind of white hat way.

There is absolutley no way that the contributors on Google webmasters are right. All they seem to be doing is spouting googles own messages at me.

This site has been at the top of google now for over a month of the main selling season. It is clear that Google is going to do nothing about it. Will someone please tell me what the truth is regarding Google and its treatment of black hat sites.

Thank you
#blackhat #competitor
  • Profile picture of the author claytons
    I don't think you should think about having to compete with the sheer number of links there...as undoubtedly , most of those are trash and don't count for much in the rankings.

    The only way to combat this is to simply beat them in the link building...by building more high quality links.

    Small numbers of links from higher PR and trusted sites will compete with 1,000's of garbage links.
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  • Profile picture of the author firstdandy
    I guess the site that took your place using high PR backlinking for your keyword. It's white hat I guess. You should try high PR backlinking as well I think
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  • Profile picture of the author ramprof
    What I have found in my Black Hat research is that Google tends to rank them well - for a while. If the links are truly bad then Google will penalize or ban the site, but it may take some time.

    In the meantime take the advice above and start building quality links to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
    Originally Posted by gboyce View Post

    Hi All

    I was ranking top 3 for a search term until a new site came out of nowhere and took the top spot.

    This new site is Chinese based and while its white hat onsite but has over 30,000 backlinks. Of the ones I've looked at they have all been comments and blog spam.

    I've tried posting on the google webmasters forum. People have told me that a spam report wont do anything because technicaly I could have posted the links and be trying to set the site up.

    I've said this is pretty frustrating as this site has been able to come out of nowhere to take the top spot while its engaging in black hat SEO.

    The problem is, a lot of the contributors on google webmasters wont even entertain the idea that any BlueFart method could ever help a website. They tell me that the black hat links dont count. Or they say that this site must actually have some really great genuine links. However this site wont have got these genuine links 'naturally' or in any kind of white hat way.

    There is absolutley no way that the contributors on Google webmasters are right. All they seem to be doing is spouting googles own messages at me.

    This site has been at the top of google now for over a month of the main selling season. It is clear that Google is going to do nothing about it. Will someone please tell me what the truth is regarding Google and its treatment of black hat sites.

    Thank you
    I read through this 3 times and unfortunately, I still don't see the black hat or bluefart site.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjcocker
    IF it didn't work so well, people wouldn't do it, would they? Don't believe everything you read. Some of those techniques work. And they might not get deindexed or go away, ever.

    How do you know ALL the links they have are blackhat, or spam links? Sometimes they start with some good links, then throw all the rest at it after a short while. If enough are real, you'll have to beat them with better links, or at their own game.

    I know it can be frustrating. Consider it a learning experience and step up your game. Otherwise move on to another niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Royalking
    Black hat do not work all the time. But how do you say your competitor is using black hat method he might have used an article distribution network and banner exchanges to make those many number of links to his site.
    I think you should concentrate more on pr 6 and above backlinks to rank higher do not forget edu and gov backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaktimaan
    Depending on others/google is a wrong policy. Google reporting will not work. Outrank him by building more links.
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