Are keywords surrounding anchor text in a backlink important?

by aprilm
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When creating backlinks, do search engines place any weight on the surrounding text of the anchor terms to determine value of link?
Hope that makes sense.
For example, if I was promoting wax dental floss, and I am creating a profile signature link, should I be concerned about placing LSI keywords before and after 'wax dental floss' to give the link more weight?
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  • Profile picture of the author shaktimaan
    Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

    When creating backlinks, do search engines place any weight on the surrounding text of the anchor terms to determine value of link?
    Hope that makes sense.
    For example, if I was promoting wax dental floss, and I am creating a profile signature link, should I be concerned about placing LSI keywords before and after 'wax dental floss' to give the link more weight?
    I say No.

    I also had this in mind when i started creating profile links for my site. i thought specially for yahoo seo surrounding keywords does matter.

    But even after 6 months my site is not getting much traffic from yahoo though it is ranking at page 1 in google.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielSanderson
    it depends on the kind of webpage you're getting a link from

    on a normal webpage it would make a difference yes because if your keywords are around your link then the page you're getting a link from is more relevant

    I have a site in the free online games niche (pr5) and i''ve found the high pr links i have are worth way more when they're from other game sites

    however if you're getting low quality links like profile links then it probably won't make any difference because Google is clever enough to realize that it's a profile link rather than a link from a related page
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Originally Posted by DanielSanderson View Post

      however if you're getting low quality links like profile links then it probably won't make any difference because Google is clever enough to realize that it's a profile link rather than a link from a related page
      Thanks Daniel. Is a profile link still considered low quality if it comes from a high PR site?
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      • Profile picture of the author DanielSanderson
        Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

        Thanks Daniel. Is a profile link still considered low quality if it comes from a high PR site?
        yes profile links are very poor

        while the home page may be around pr5 your profile page is pr n/a

        plus Google is well aware that they're easily spammed and easily obtainable

        Im guessing you aren't in a competetive market so they will still help you
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        • Profile picture of the author shaktimaan
          Originally Posted by DanielSanderson View Post

          yes profile links are very poor
          Then which links are strong?

          Originally Posted by DanielSanderson View Post

          while the home page may be around pr5 your profile page is pr n/a
          I have a profile that has page rank 5. I commented on a page that has page rank 6 and my profile got the page rank 5.

          Originally Posted by DanielSanderson View Post

          Im guessing you aren't in a competetive market so they will still help you
          She may not in competitive market but i am and my site is ranking in top 3 in google and my niche is related to mortgage.
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          • Profile picture of the author DanielSanderson
            Originally Posted by shaktimaan View Post

            Then which links are strong?



            I have a profile that has page rank 5. I commented on a page that has page rank 6 and my profile got the page rank 5.



            She may not in competitive market but i am and my site is ranking in top 3 in google and my niche is related to mortgage.
            I have a link on the following page to one of my sites

            greatbridgelinks [dot] com

            I class that as a strong link

            I have many more like it

            you say you have a pr5 profile page and that comes from a comment on a pr6 page?

            that I would love to see, can't help thinking you're talking a load of BS
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            • Profile picture of the author shaktimaan
              Originally Posted by DanielSanderson View Post

              you say you have a pr5 profile page and that comes from a comment on a pr6 page?

              that I would love to see, can't help thinking you're talking a load of BS
              Here is the profile, Member Profile: Oliver Kilb - Adobe Acrobat Connect Pro User Community it is not mine. He is also getting page rank from same page. Mine has page rank 5.

              I also have profiles that have page rank 4,3 etc from different sites.

              I do not know how much link juice is these profiles passing to my site. In fact page rank of profile does not matter much.

              To clear my point i would like to share this blog post, Backlink Myth 1: Pagerank Mass Confusion
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by DanielSanderson View Post

          yes profile links are very poor
          Compared to, say, a homepage link that is PR7? Sure, so are almost all other links. But in terms of time and cost effectiveness, profile links can't be beat, at least that is the experience of MANY of us on here. And yes, for competitive terms.

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  • You need to look at this from their perspective.

    How many link lists do you see ranking high?

    Google crawls a page and evaluates the entire page. Thus "Page Rank" and not "Site Rank".

    Now if a page has unrelated links pointing all over the place what does this tell Google about your link?

    So if you place "relevant" keywords around your link... but the other links are still unrelated what does this tell Google about the page?

    That's your answer.

    Focus on linking from places that drive real relevant targeted traffic to your site and people will reward you by visiting and SEO results will follow.

    There are millions of people out there just placing links... and it's not relevant and won't make them money.

    You need targeted traffic that is relevant. Develop a marketing plan that targets people not machines.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    Huh?

    Originally Posted by CodyTemke View Post

    I would also say no, they do not but try your best to keep your anchor text on topic with the overall article / paragraph.

    Ok - logic.

    Do we know if google crawls the content of the whole page or just your anchor text/links? The whole page right?

    So ... if they crawl your links anchor text - and thats important that the anchor text be or contain your keywords for effectiveness... AND we know google is crawling and analyzing the whole page, AND we know that google gives credit for on page seo for keyword density [ # of times kw's on your page ] and if those keywords are in titles/header tags ....

    It sure stands to reason and seems logical to me - that the offsite page where you backlink and its anchor text reside will be weighted based upon the other related words/content on that page being related to your links.

    I am referring to the content on or near your anchor text backlinks - not the name or url or theme of the site your on. So ... if you post a blog post on a Basket weaving site, with content about your keywords which might be weight loss - you want some more content on hte basket weaving site about weight loss near your keyword link.

    So the theory goes.

    If you "can" make a full content post [ like a blog or forum post ] on a site and add additional relevant content about your keywords on a site that is NOT relevant to your keywords - i view that as an advantage.

    anchor text link on non relevant site - pretty good.

    anchor text link surrounded by "relevant" content on a NON Relevant site - better.

    anchor text link [weight loss ] surrounded by "weight loss" content on a weight loss authority site - likely the best.

    Any of the 3 above you can get fast cheap and easy that will stick and not get deleted - better still.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by aprilm View Post

    For example, if I was promoting wax dental floss, and I am creating a profile signature link, should I be concerned about placing LSI keywords before and after 'wax dental floss' to give the link more weight?
    My gut would say yes but that would be the wrong answer. SEO is about testing. Not what we think is logical or practical or whatever. One point I'd like to make to you since you said in another thread you were new is don't buy every theory that people push UNLESS they can back it up.

    Doing a test on that would be extremely difficult to isolate out the other factors. There are a few people who try to push this idea of links only from related sites and surrounding context but as far as I know no one has shown any test results.

    So do i think its logical? Yes but I also think its logical that if I write on a poetry blog that i really like this site (Fill in a site name) because its so cool Google may very well decide that its not fair to think that my poetry site can't recommend a cool non poetry site and treat a vote as a vote. Thats entirely possible too.

    Actually I think it s probably far more likely that the entire sites LSI content has apart to play than putting a few words around a link but thats not tested either. Just anecdotal that I tend to see Some sites rank high for some terms when those words just seem to be in their niche (internet marketing terms here on warriors tend to show up higher than similar terms on a parenting forum for example).

    But again if you want to do well don't concentrate on what hasn't been proven.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Prove it wrong.

      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      My gut would say yes but that would be the wrong answer. SEO is about testing. Not what we think is logical or practical or whatever. One point I'd like to make to you since you said in another thread you were new is don't buy every theory that people push UNLESS they can back it up.

      Doing a test on that would be extremely difficult to isolate out the other factors. There are a few people who try to push this idea of links only from related sites and surrounding context but as far as I know no one has shown any test results.

      So do i think its logical? Yes but I also think its logical that if I write on a poetry blog that i really like this site (Fill in a sit name) because its so cool Google may very well decide that its not fair to think that my poetry site can't recommend a cool non poetry site and treat a vote as a vote. Thats entirely possible too.

      Actually I think it s probably far more likely that the entire sites LSI content has apart to play than putting a few words around a link but thats not tested either. Just anecdotal that I tend to see Some sites rank high for some terms when those words just seem to be in their niche (internet marketing terms here on warriors tend to show up higher than similar terms on a parenting forum for example).

      But again if you want to do well don't concentrate on what hasn't been proven.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Prove it wrong.
        You need to do some logic classes. You never start out with proving a negative. If you have a theory you prove it right not require that others prove it wrong. In real SEO if you have a theory you go out and test it not require others to prove it wrong unless you think you are some authority that is

        By your "logic" prove it wrong that if you sprinkle glitter on a server the pages on it will rank high.

        Go ahead. I'm waiting.
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  • Profile picture of the author LancelotX
    what is the best way to build backlink?

    reprocial link, or one way link?..............
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  • Profile picture of the author milo_pl
    If I understood the theories discussed here correctly then it might not just be anchor text or text surrounding the anchor text, but all the on page factors of the pages linking to a site. Something like: If the majority of the pages listing the keywords of the query agree that this page is an important source then it must be number one.
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  • Profile picture of the author COBSolutions
    Yes, the google filed patent also clearly states this, the worth of backlink is counted with the help of freshness of content around the backlink as well as how well the anchor text of the backlink is related to the content around it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by cashisfilthitakecheck View Post

      Yes, the google filed patent also clearly states this, the worth of backlink is counted with the help of freshness of content around the backlink as well as how well the anchor text of the backlink is related to the content around it.
      ..and google is full of sh*t too on lots of things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by cashisfilthitakecheck View Post

      Yes, the google filed patent also clearly states this, the worth of backlink is counted with the help of freshness of content around the backlink as well as how well the anchor text of the backlink is related to the content around it.
      I'd love a link on that. Besides Google has stated that they don't actually have real life applications for all their patents. Like I said makes sense but needs to be proven or at least some evidence given
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    • Profile picture of the author shaktimaan
      Originally Posted by cashisfilthitakecheck View Post

      Yes, the google filed patent also clearly states this, the worth of backlink is counted with the help of freshness of content around the backlink as well as how well the anchor text of the backlink is related to the content around it.
      I noticed you made 5 posts in different threads in almost 5 minutes. I doubt you read the thread before posting.
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