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I see a tendency, REALLY strong links

by GeorgR.
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I love analyzing competition and their links + link strength.

I see a tendency that the really good links are NOT some stupid profile pages or blog comments. (As for blog comments, most of them are NF anyway)

What i see is many strong backlinks to sites from wordpress sites (which are not ALWAYS related to the subject) with articles posted to them which contain anchor links.

So basically it looks like that some distribution/blog networks are used.

To me those are incredible powerful as opposed to your usual waste of time "blog commenting"...seeing such a PR4+ link with a related article..just 1000x better.

Now i am currently only in ONE network where articles are distributed which is articleranks - simply because the others i know are subscription based and those wont work with my paypal.

So i am interested in kind of a list of such services....i really think this is where the REAL good backlinks are at the moment!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I love analyzing competition and their links + link strength.

    I see a tendency that the really good links are NOT some stupid profile pages or blog comments. (As for blog comments, most of them are NF anyway)
    Man I've been preaching that forever. I wish the mods would delete
    each and every thread with a list of forums and blogs to abuse.

    Just feeds the frenzy, and will hurt everybody in the long run when
    these things overall get devalued.

    But the blog comments and profiles are low lying fruit.
    Most times this fruit is rotten, but you can't knock sense into a lot
    of people's heads. No wise man has the power to reason away what
    a fool believes.

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    • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
      I,ve only really heard of Linkvana for this kind of linking.

      Maybe guest posting is another area to consider although I havent looked into it yet.

      My main efforts now will be focused on posting good quality articles and Link baiting.

      I figure I,m a crap writer so I have the articles written for me and then I tweak them for a personal touch but make sure the articles are already to a high standard before I touch them.

      Create headline grabbers and hope a few hit the mark (current strategy).

      If a few hit then for the cost of the outsourcing articles it easily outweighs buying profile links and all the hassles asscociated with them.

      Edit: I will still use link packs but hope to be able to generate organic links as a main source.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hardi Wijaya
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      But the blog comments and profiles are low lying fruit.
      Most times this fruit is rotten, but you can't knock sense into a lot
      of people's heads. No wise man has the power to reason away what
      a fool believes.

      Paul


      I once came across these words -- Never speak in the hearing of a fool, you will be like him yourself.

      Ok... stop teasing. I just can't help it.


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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    No way this method will work!!! Articles in different sites? Different IP's? Different anchor text?

    No way José!!

    Seriously, some of us work this exact system with private blog networks for years.

    But can't advice you any network cause I just use my private one.

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  • Profile picture of the author palms
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I see a tendency that the really good links are NOT some stupid profile pages or blog comments. (As for blog comments, most of them are NF anyway)
    I saw Matt Cutts doing site reviews at a WM conference and one guy ask him why his site with 100+ links wasn't ranking. After checking the guy's site out using Google's special tools, Cutts informed him that only 3 of his 100+ links were passing link juice --the rest were not passing any at all.

    I'm sure that has something to do with what you found during your backlink observations.
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  • Profile picture of the author inter123
    The thing is through, getting 10 different hosts and 10 different domains just for the backlink purpose cost money if you are starting out and on a budget.

    Strong backlinks from Wordpress sites - were these sites getting their backlinks from spam blogs and the like?

    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I love analyzing competition and their links + link strength.

    I see a tendency that the really good links are NOT some stupid profile pages or blog comments. (As for blog comments, most of them are NF anyway)

    What i see is many strong backlinks to sites from wordpress sites (which are not ALWAYS related to the subject) with articles posted to them which contain anchor links.

    So basically it looks like that some distribution/blog networks are used.

    To me those are incredible powerful as opposed to your usual waste of time "blog commenting"...seeing such a PR4+ link with a related article..just 1000x better.

    Now i am currently only in ONE network where articles are distributed which is articleranks - simply because the others i know are subscription based and those wont work with my paypal.

    So i am interested in kind of a list of such services....i really think this is where the REAL good backlinks are at the moment!
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  • Profile picture of the author limochicago
    Blog commenting is still useful. If only it is done properly. Yeah, some of the comments are no follow but there are still dofollow blogs so why don't you go to those dofollow blogs and make a comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
    It really isn't that expensive to build your own network of sites, IMHO. Much better than relying on others for posting. Obviously won't working for those counting pennies, but if you want something that will stand the test of time..

    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I love analyzing competition and their links + link strength.

    I see a tendency that the really good links are NOT some stupid profile pages or blog comments. (As for blog comments, most of them are NF anyway)

    What i see is many strong backlinks to sites from wordpress sites (which are not ALWAYS related to the subject) with articles posted to them which contain anchor links.

    So basically it looks like that some distribution/blog networks are used.

    To me those are incredible powerful as opposed to your usual waste of time "blog commenting"...seeing such a PR4+ link with a related article..just 1000x better.

    Now i am currently only in ONE network where articles are distributed which is articleranks - simply because the others i know are subscription based and those wont work with my paypal.

    So i am interested in kind of a list of such services....i really think this is where the REAL good backlinks are at the moment!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    No, but there are some technical problems, mainly IP diversity.

    I do have reseller hosting with different IPs, but those are also only like 10 on different subnets , far not enough to really build an own blog network.

    I really think getting those IPs would be the biggest problem - rest is making those sites and of course time which needs to pass to get some PR to those sites.

    Some of the blogs i examined have PR4 and are 3+ years old....so i need to say those blog networks are VERY interesting to me.

    I think one very competent guy in this regards is Dan McGonagle, good stuff on his site..although i dont know whether he has relationships with the link services he promotes and reviews (beyond being affiliate).
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      No, but there are some technical problems, mainly IP diversity.
      I don't know. You can pick up c-class diverse IPs for around $3 a pop. I have a 100 IP package (c-class unique, spread across 8 a-class ip addresses) for $300. Not necessarily inexpensive, but not bad when you really consider what people spend money on these days.

      You can also pick up PR3s for around $25-ish and PR4s for around $45 these days.

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      • Profile picture of the author Chucky
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        I don't know. You can pick up c-class diverse IPs for around $3 a pop. I have a 100 IP package (c-class unique, spread across 8 a-class ip addresses) for $300. Not necessarily inexpensive, but not bad when you really consider what people spend money on these days.

        You can also pick up PR3s for around $25-ish and PR4s for around $45 these days.

        Tom
        Hi Tom,

        Care to share the resources? The only place I know of such hosting is SEO Hosting - SEO Web Hosting with cPanel and Multiple Class C IP Addresses They charge more than what you've mentioned.
        1. $3/pop hosting - ??
        2. PR3 and 4 domains for $25-45 - Digital Point?
        Thanks a bunch.
        Chucky
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          For hosting, I use http://www.seo-host.com. I initially bought the 10 IP package, and have upgraded to 25, then to 50, then to 100 as I added domains.

          For domain acquisition,

          For PR3s, I typically buy them from GoDaddy, either as a closeout domain or an otherwise expiring domain. Due to the number of domains up, I find I can get the best deal there for the PR3s. Lots of times the closeouts only go up to PR2s (as others snap up PR3s), but I pick up maybe 1 PR3 there a week as a "closeout" with good backlinks. The closeouts rock because they only run $6-9.

          I use freshdrop to search for domains. Not cheap, but it was recommended to me by a friend. I believe there are significantly cheaper alternatives out there but I'm used to their setup.

          For PR4s, its a mixture of GoDaddy (expiring domains), SnapNames (bough via freshdrop), and DP. DP, on average, probably has the cheapest PR4 domains I think, but their backlink portfolio doesn't tend to be that diverse.

          Tom

          Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

          Hi Tom,

          Care to share the resources? The only place I know of such hosting is SEO Hosting - SEO Web Hosting with cPanel and Multiple Class C IP Addresses They charge more than what you've mentioned.
          1. $3/pop hosting - ??
          2. PR3 and 4 domains for $25-45 - Digital Point?
          Thanks a bunch.
          Chucky
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          • Profile picture of the author Chucky
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            For hosting, I use http://www.seo-host.com. I initially bought the 10 IP package, and have upgraded to 25, then to 50, then to 100 as I added domains.

            For domain acquisition,

            For PR3s, I typically buy them from GoDaddy, either as a closeout domain or an otherwise expiring domain. Due to the number of domains up, I find I can get the best deal there for the PR3s. Lots of times the closeouts only go up to PR2s (as others snap up PR3s), but I pick up maybe 1 PR3 there a week as a "closeout" with good backlinks. The closeouts rock because they only run $6-9.

            I use freshdrop to search for domains. Not cheap, but it was recommended to me by a friend. I believe there are significantly cheaper alternatives out there but I'm used to their setup.

            For PR4s, its a mixture of GoDaddy (expiring domains), SnapNames (bough via freshdrop), and DP. DP, on average, probably has the cheapest PR4 domains I think, but their backlink portfolio doesn't tend to be that diverse.

            Tom
            Thank you Tom, very much appreciated. I checked out http://www.seo-host.com and I see they have a 15 IP package for like $45 which I think is really reasonable. Probably a good starter package for someone getting in to their own private networks.
            I have read a little bit on how to populate such private networks with content (free from places like AMA and now ArticleRanks as recommended by George); but if Tom or someone can point me to a stronger resource, that would be greatly appreciated.

            Because I'm planning on getting the 15 IP package, I thought may be I could break down the 15 in to 3 sets of 5 IPs where I can make each set of 5 websites specific to 1 niche. Do you think that's necessary or should I use the whole 15 as 1 batch without making them niche/theme specific? So basically I'll be getting links from these 15 to all my money sites irrespective of a niche match?

            George, I hope I'm not hijacking your thread...I think I'm still within the area of your original query.

            Thanks Tom, your time is very much appreciated!
            Chucky
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

              Thank you Tom, very much appreciated. I checked out http://www.seo-host.com and I see they have a 15 IP package for like $45 which I think is really reasonable. Probably a good starter package for someone getting in to their own private networks.
              Agreed. I think that even if someone creates, say, a mini-network of 10 domains and they can get them (either through acquisition or building up the links yourself) to PR2-4 range, that could help out a lot.

              Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

              I have read a little bit on how to populate such private networks with content (free from places like AMA and now ArticleRanks as recommended by George); but if Tom or someone can point me to a stronger resource, that would be greatly appreciated.
              There are several options, and I think it depends on how you plan to use your network.

              If you plan on doing sort of an auto-blogging setup (maybe setup adsense, maybe place some blogroll backlinks to your sites, etc.), then you could use one of the many RSS feed to article converters out there. I actually just picked up Carty's autoblogger WSO and it looks pretty sweet so far (I don't actually plan on using it on my own hosted network though...more of a blogspot.com adsense network). It does a great job of pulling full content from summary feeds, and will do things like language translation to help make the content unique (i.e., convert an article to German and back to English).

              There are also scraping programs out there I know, for articlesbase, yahoo answers and what not, but i'm not really familiar with those.

              There are also ways you get get preloaded articles I think where it will just drip feed them out.

              For me personally, this is not what I'm trying to accomplish:rolleyes: I find an article on articlesbase or whatever, use the best spinner (works really great, IMHO) to spin it to >50% uniqueness, and send it to my network. I usually pick something sort of on topic and include a link or two to my money sites in each article.

              For posting, I use the ferrari of blog posting (LOL), Link Farm Evolution, but there are various blog posters out there.


              Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

              Because I'm planning on getting the 15 IP package, I thought may be I could break down the 15 in to 3 sets of 5 IPs where I can make each set of 5 websites specific to 1 niche. Do you think that's necessary or should I use the whole 15 as 1 batch without making them niche/theme specific? So basically I'll be getting links from these 15 to all my money sites irrespective of a niche match?
              There are many different opinions on this. Personally, I'm not a big believer that you get a boost depending on whether a domain is the same niche or not. Would you turn down a link to your site on dog leashes from CNN or ESPN?

              So, for my blog network I try to find a related article on that page to link back to my site with a contextual backlink, but the entire blog contains articles on different topics.

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              • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
                [QUOTE=Tom Goodwin;2004109
                There are many different opinions on this. Personally, I'm not a big believer that you get a boost depending on whether a domain is the same niche or not. Would you turn down a link to your site on dog leashes from CNN or ESPN?

                So, for my blog network I try to find a related article on that page to link back to my site with a contextual backlink, but the entire blog contains articles on different topics.

                Tom[/QUOTE]

                I think this is a good strategy. Big general sites are just as good as smaller niche sites I would think, for the reason that a newspaper will have tons of backlinks from related sites anyway. I wouldn't think a link from a completely unrelated site would be that great though for competetive keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    doesnt the site's PR drop if owner changes and you put something else on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      doesnt the site's PR drop if owner changes and you put something else on it?
      The content of the domain shouldn't matter and neither should who is listed as the owner. The backlinks give the site the PR.

      You just need to make sure that the site wasn't dropped. If the site gets dropped, that is, it is officially released and anyone can buy it from a site like name.com, godaddy or namecheap, then in most instances the PR will go bye-bye. But, sites like GoDaddy doesn't actually drop expired domains that they host unless no one buys them at the end of the auction.

      All of my domains that I purchased prior to the April 2nd PR udpate maintained their PR. I make sure the sites have a broad backlink portfolio before I buy them, so they don't rely on a single source for backlinks.

      Even with dropped domains....

      Here is a site of mine:
      Elegance Masculine

      It used to be a PR4, but was dropped back in February. I really liked the backlink portfolio though. I purchased the domain as a new domain from namecheap in March. When you went to the domain, it showed the PR as 0.

      Between the time I purchased the site (as a new domain) and the April 2nd PR updated, I added 0 backlinks. Well, Google gave the site back a PR3. So, I basically got a free PR3 site. The key was picking a recently dropped domain with a good backlink portfolio.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chucky
    Hey Tom,

    Thanks for sharing your website Masculine Elegance. I'm not as experienced as you are when it comes to backlinks. But I heard from StomperNet that you should have a variety of outgoing links from these sites, which they call 'Juicer' sites, rather than taking links to your websites only. If you make links only to your money pages, Google will 'detect' the network and you lose the benefits.
    At least that's what they said and I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing. I brought this up because I didn't see any outgoing links from this site other than 'backlinks'.
    So what's your experience with such situations? You can have just your links and Google won't penalize you?

    Thanks again!
    Chucky
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

      Hey Tom,

      Thanks for sharing your website Masculine Elegance. I'm not as experienced as you are when it comes to backlinks. But I heard from StomperNet that you should have a variety of outgoing links from these sites, which they call 'Juicer' sites, rather than taking links to your websites only. If you make links only to your money pages, Google will 'detect' the network and you lose the benefits.
      At least that's what they said and I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing. I brought this up because I didn't see any outgoing links from this site other than 'backlinks'.
      So what's your experience with such situations? You can have just your links and Google won't penalize you?

      Thanks again!
      Chucky
      Hi there,

      I think there certainly may be some benefit, but I think there is really 2 different points here.

      (1) should you link out from your site to an established "authority" site in your niche to help boost its own authority? I don't really have an answer to that one. I know many SEO folks argue this, but I haven't seen anything definitely (for me at least) on this point.

      (2) should you add outgoing links to differentiate the sites on your network and give your network more power? I don't think Google will "penalize" you (I really hate that word with respect to Google btw, as I think it is way over-used:rolleyes, as you aren't doing anything that isn't white hat, but certainly it is possibly that Google may decrease the power of the links at some point. For small networks, I don't think that's an issue. The bigger the network the bigger concern I would think. A few links to Wikipedia, CNN and about.com might do the trick I think. Thanks! :-)

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    Thank you Tom for your comprehensive answers. Learned a lot. Not gonna bother you with anymore questions.
    Good night and have a great week coming up!
    Chucky
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    It might (at the end) still be cheaper and less set-up hassles simply to sign up with one of those services, even if they're like $97/month. Just my $0.02. Making such a blog network, purchasing domains etc...its nothing you can do in a couple days really...
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    kinda agree with georger on this...unless you are planning to sell some kind of linking service with all these IPs, it's easier - and better imho - to just buy into some blog farm from different wsos for example. That way you get rid of the footprint issue and don't have to deal the monthly fees, updating etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by emigre View Post

      kinda agree with georger on this...unless you are planning to sell some kind of linking service with all these IPs, it's easier - and better imho - to just buy into some blog farm from different wsos for example. That way you get rid of the footprint issue and don't have to deal the monthly fees, updating etc.

      Its a marathon, not a sprint:rolleyes: If people don't want to have their own high PR real estate that will have $$$$ value for a long time, just like buying up houses on your block, and keep relying on other's sites, than there will be more sites for me

      In my opinion, long term, its the same difference between those that rely on posting articles on sites like EZA, and those that post the content on their own domains that they own and can control
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Hello Tom,

    just signed up on your forum, seems pretty interesting.

    Question: Why are some signature links NF and some are not? Just out of curiosity .)
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Hello Tom,

      just signed up on your forum, seems pretty interesting.

      Question: Why are some signature links NF and some are not? Just out of curiosity .)
      Glad you found our PR4 forum. A few extra sig links never hurt anybody

      Terry and I set the signatures as nofollow by default (yea, I know, pretty funny coming from me and Terry:rolleyes. Once someone has 10 posts they can PM either me or Terry and we'll change your settings to make them do-follow. I actually did some tweaking of my own settings last week and accidentally switched mine back to no-follow, lol, I guess I better change that back.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        Glad you found our PR4 forum. A few extra sig links never hurt anybody

        Terry and I set the signatures as nofollow by default (yea, I know, pretty funny coming from me and Terry:rolleyes. Once someone has 10 posts they can PM either me or Terry and we'll change your settings to make them do-follow. I actually did some tweaking of my own settings last week and accidentally switched mine back to no-follow, lol, I guess I better change that back.
        ok, makes sense!
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Hello Tom,

      just signed up on your forum, seems pretty interesting.

      Question: Why are some signature links NF and some are not? Just out of curiosity .)
      Me too just added it to my spam arsenal (J/k)

      Seriously with you Georg I agree with you. I LOVE using a tool I have to root out gold (quite expensive though)

      You look at the members list on these spammed to death forums and it is oh so obvious Google will eventually devalue these links. They are not even close to that stupid. I think it's just a matter of time before profiles without any posts are devalued if not ignored completely be the big G.

      Some have 60,000 members and only 100 or so have ever made a post lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author adam westrop
        Originally Posted by Christian Fox View Post

        Me too just added it to my spam arsenal (J/k)

        Seriously with you Georg I agree with you. I LOVE using a tool I have to root out gold (quite expensive though)

        You look at the members list on these spammed to death forums and it is oh so obvious Google will eventually devalue these links. They are not even close to that stupid. I think it's just a matter of time before profiles without any posts are devalued if not ignored completely be the big G.

        Some have 60,000 members and only 100 or so have ever made a post lol.
        You would think that, but if that was the case, blog comment spam wouldnt work and nor would Xrumer... But they do!

        Google is very very very smart not because of discounting links, which I dont think they do much of anyway, it is for other reasons which I am just beginning to understand..
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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
          You would think that, but if that was the case, blog comment spam wouldnt work and nor would Xrumer... But they do!
          Yeah I am not saying they will penalize, but downgrade the link authority. I could be wrong but it seems way to obvious to me when I look at any forums member list.

          For now it works well but I would not count on mass profile links for a long term strategy, especially if they are all on the same platform and anchors and url's are not spun worth a damn.

          I have also heard forum owners are beginning to weed out members with no posts ever... I would if it were my forum Google could look at it as a spamming paradise.
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          • Profile picture of the author adam westrop
            Originally Posted by Christian Fox View Post

            Yeah I am not saying they will penalize, but downgrade the link authority. I could be wrong but it seems way to obvious to me when I look at any forums member list.

            For now it works well but I would not count on mass profile links for a long term strategy, especially if they are all on the same platform and anchors and url's are not spun worth a damn.

            I have also heard forum owners are beginning to weed out members with no posts ever... I would if it were my forum Google could look at it as a spamming paradise.
            Agree with you.
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            • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
              Tom - question for you:

              If you buy a reasoably PR'd domain from Godaddy or wherever, and you're only getting the domain and not the site (which I gather is what you do), then surely when Google has crawled the domain a few times and realizes that the content which previously exist and attracted or commanded those links that gave the domain its PR has disappeared, the backlinks themselves will no longer pass PR to that site?

              Or in the event of a 404 error to the backlink destination, does the PR get passed to the homepage?

              I always presumed that what people did upon buying a used / PR'd domain was to check where the strongest (if not all) backlinks were pointing to within the domain, and then setup those pages at the same URL they'd have previously existed? That way, when Google comes back the content is still there (albeit not the same as before) and the backlinks are actually pointing to something. Then they'd sustain whatever PR they previously received?

              I hope that makes sense. Perhaps I'm missing something? Is recreating the pages (or at least setting up 301 redirects in their place, pointing to the homepage or another page) a necessary step, or not?

              Cheers.
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    Hostnine.com has packages too which are good for getting an IP diverse portfilio. $19.95 start pack with additional IPs $1ea. You can select the Country you want the IP from or something. I haven't used them personally but I know they are popular in the bh community.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
    I think one of the keys is to do link exchanges with other bloggers in your related niche.

    Not sure if you know this but when you have a link exchange with someone you get a link everytime they post! So if you have exchanges with 10 other bloggers and they all post 3 times per week that's like 30 backlinks per week of very high quality!

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author bethrobinson
      Back to the OP's original question.... Two services I'm aware of are Linkracer and Article Slingshot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chucky
      Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

      I think one of the keys is to do link exchanges with other bloggers in your related niche.

      Not sure if you know this but when you have a link exchange with someone you get a link everytime they post! So if you have exchanges with 10 other bloggers and they all post 3 times per week that's like 30 backlinks per week of very high quality!

      Cheers!
      But then are you not giving them links from your same blog and they become reciprocal?
      I think Jeff Johnson has this kind of WP plugin right? I recently installed a similar plugin that I got from Sean Donahoe as a bonus for one of his products. I see outgoing links from my site, haven't seen any negative results from it, so I just let it be.
      Which reminds me, got to go install it on a couple other blogs as well to see what it does! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
    If I understand correctly you talk about article submission networks.
    You have AMA, UWA, Isnare, .. If you want a more complet list just ask and I'll send a complet list of these networks.
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  • Profile picture of the author govi5
    Google is so professional in everything regarding ranking. They are changing their systems and algorithms and we cant even guess something about it.
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