HOW TO EVALUATE YOUR COMPETITION ON PAGE 1. HOW I DO IT

by Adam Roy 106 replies
For me, the main reason why I wasn't succeeding with my online websites, was the poor judgement of my competition.

Please rate this thread if you found this helpful.

All it is, is understanding whether or not you have and are willing to do what it takes to outrank that page.

  1. Can I optimize my web site ON PAGE better than they did?
  2. Can I build enough backlinks to compete with theirs without spending an arm and a leg?
  3. How much content do they really have about this subject?
  4. How much authority **pagerank** do these websites have over mine?
  5. What about authority in this particular subject? There have been times when I've outranked wiki's, ehow and such with pretty simple websites. They may have a high PR, but is their authority in this particular subject?

There's of coarse much more that goes into this, but understanding what it takes to make that spot takes time. Trial and error.

Read on.

Try to pinpoint why your competitors are ranking above you. And also try and pinpoint why you ranked higher than the sites below you.

Competition research truly is something that requires experience no matter how well it's explained. Something that works for me, may not work for someone else. It depends on your skill set, your experience.

If you can't effectively evaluate your competition, front page google rankings will be from sheer luck.
We can compete with sites who "got lucky"

If you can evaluate your competition according to your website building skills effectively, you're on a path to a 6 figures a year income.

Why? Because once you understand competition research, the sky is the limit and this becomes an infinitely scalable process.

So many people these days are putting so much emphasis on the number of competing pages on google.

Type your keyword into google in quotes "your keyword", if you have less than 50000, or 10000 competitors it's a good sign right? WRONG!

The number of competing pages is simply a tiny little nudge saying, "hey, there's not as many competing pages as some other popular terms".

The truth is, that even if there's only 7,000 competing websites, page one may still be EXTREMELY competitive. However a term with 100,000 competing pages can be pie to rank for.

It's not about the NUMBER of competitors, it's about the STRENGTH of the competitors.

Type your keyword WITHOUT quotes to search for your competition, because it's without quotes that you want to rank, you don't want people typing the keyword phrase in "" to find your website.


So taking the competing number of pages out of the equation, here's how I decide whether or not to fight for a great spot on page 1 SERPS.

Again these are some of the things that I look for, what seems to work for me. In the end it's all about what you're up against, what your skillset is, and how much work you're willing to put in.

This is my criteria for a semi small niche site. 5 or 6 pages, 5-10 posts size website.

  • Competitors on page 1 have page ranks between 0-4, a good mix is best.
  • Competitors on page 1 have less than 100 backlinks to the particular page which is ranking in the SERPS, not total number of backlinks to the site.
  • Competitors on page 1 have the keyword phrase missing in at least 3 of these 4 places, title tag - description tag - keyword tag - alt tag
  • Competitors on page 1 have domain ages of less than 4 years--I try not to put too much emphasis on this one.
  • Some competitors on page 1 are articles and/or web 2.0 sites
  • No competitor on page 1 has an exact domain match for your keyword.
  • ***The competitors' descriptions in the search results aren't relevant or look unintentional"**** This in particular along with some of the above, and excluding super authorities such as wikipedia and similar is a great indicator TO ME in most cases that there's slim competition for this term. To be quite honest, sometimes I dig around through keywords until I find one with a bunch of crappy descriptions in the search results.
Another quick tip is that if most of the websites on page one are not top level domains, it's a good indicator that they may have a low number of backlinks. Not always, but a lot of times this is true.

These are the things I look for in my competition research, and it has proven to work well for me. Good on page SEO, and a handful of backlinks, you can most likely rank for terms meeting the above criteria.

The number of competitors is way overrated. It's not about how many of them there are, the only thing that matters is what's on page one.

You may very well find keywords that can be ranked for EASY with 100,000 results, and you may find keywords with 5,000 competitors extremely difficult and time consuming to rank for. It goes both ways so try not to put too much emphasis on this little number.

Hope this helps some of you struggling with competition research.


Happy rankings,

Friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author prtt75
    Thank you for the great information but i still would want to see how long it would take me to bring my site on Page 1 for my target keywords before spending time optimizing it, thus, i try to look for the number of competing pages first by typing the kw with quotes or using intitle search.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by prtt75 View Post

      Thank you for the great information but i still would want to see how long it would take me to bring my site on Page 1 for my target keywords before spending time optimizing it, thus, i try to look for the number of competing pages first by typing the kw with quotes or using intitle search.
      It doesn't matter if there are a thousand, or ten million sites that come up for that key word. The only ones that you have to beat out are the ones on page one. They already did a better job than all of the others, so if you can do a better job then them, you win. It is as simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author techwarrior
    Originally Posted by friend View Post

    So many people these days are putting so much emphasis on the number of competing pages on google.

    Type your keyword into google in quotes "your keyword", if you have less than 50000, or 10000 competitors it's a good sign right? WRONG!

    The number of competing pages is simply a tiny little nudge saying, "hey, there's not as many competing pages as some other popular terms".

    The truth is, that even if there's only 7,000 competing websites, page one may still be EXTREMELY competitive. However a term with 100,000 competing pages can be pie to rank for.

    It's not about the NUMBER of competitors, it's about the STRENGTH of the competitors.

    Type your keyword WITHOUT quotes to search for your competition, because it's without quotes that you want to rank, you don't want people typing the keyword phrase in "" to find your website.


    So taking the competing number of pages out of the equation, here's how I decide whether or not to fight for a great spot on page 1 SERPS.

    • Competitors on page 1 have page ranks between 0-4, a good mix is best.
    • Competitors on page 1 have less than 100 backlinks to the particular page which is ranking in the SERPS, not total number of backlinks to the site.
    • Competitors on page 1 have the keyword phrase missing in at least 3 of these 4 places, title tag - description tag - keyword tag - alt tag
    • Competitors on page 1 have domain ages of less than 4 years
    • Some competitors on page 1 are articles and/or web 2.0 sites
    • No competitor on page 1 has an exact domain match for your keyword.


    These are the things I look for in my competition research, and it has proven to work well for me. Good on page SEO, and backlinks, you can most likely rank for terms meeting the above criteria.

    The number of competitors has been doing nothing but screwing me up, it's not about how many of them there are, but WHO they are.

    Hope this helps some of you struggling with competition research.

    Again, this method of evaluating competition is not set in stone, but it certainly works for me.

    Happy rankings,

    Friend.
    Very comprehensive guide, indeed!

    In summary, your guide tells us to "work smarter, not harder!"

    Thanks for this info...
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    No problem. Everytime something new works for me...I post it to the warrior forum...The super special stuff I put in the war room.
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverbee20
    I agree its all about the top 10. Its taken me 2 /12 months to get to top 3 with 489,000 competition with backlinks.

    When people say dont use keywords under 30,000 I never listen, its all about how much time and effort you put into getting there.

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    I agree as well, the number of competitors doesn't mean much to me anymore, as you said it's the competition on the first page that determines whether or not I will go for it.

    The best thing about it is that if you have Market Samurai you can tell all this at the push of a button!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Market samurai is certainly great to use. However, adding SEOquake and some backlink plugin to your browser works just as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    This is such great advice - I use a similar method myself, but I must say I like your criteria a lot .... I actually hadn't broken mine down into those areas (I just kind of looked for more green and yellow than pink in MS!).

    The thing is that by discarding keywords based on allintitle or "results in quotes" you could really miss out on a Gem of a keyword.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    It's almost unbelievable how much emphasis people put on that number. The number of competing pages.

    It's all about the competition of the page 1 ranked websites, nothing more nothing less really.

    It's almost like the number of competing pages is what determines whether or not some people EVEN CHECK OUT the competition on page one.

    So many beginners will look to these big internet marketers and see this "how many competitors" number, and start missing out on the huge ocean of keywords that you actually can rank for, regardless of that little number.

    I almost think this is a tactic of the big shots to keep the newbies from outranking where their websites really are

    But I don't know, that's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by friend View Post

      It's almost unbelievable how much emphasis people put on that number. The number of competing pages.

      It's all about the competition of the page 1 ranked websites, nothing more nothing less really.

      It's almost like the number of competing pages is what determines whether or not some people EVEN CHECK OUT the competition on page one.
      The sad news is that I have been stating that for the better part of a year and every week there are two or three posts back with that criteria for competing pages. Fantastic post.

      Never wrote it myself but I too look at the presence of an article directory page showing up in the first page as a big sign of hope. The only exception is when the article has managed to get a number of its own backlinks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Never wrote it myself but I too look at the presence of an article directory page showing up in the first page as a big sign of hope. The only exception is when the article has managed to get a number of its own backlinks.
        All you need in this case Mike, is MORE backlinks to YOUR article...if you write one.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Nice breakdown, well laid out.

          I do think there's the danger of introducing another absolute to replace the old "number og pages in quotes", though.

          There are people in the world who do actually look on page 2 and even page 3 when they don't find what they want on page 1. It depends on the term, though.

          If you're trying to rank for "buy cheap brain surgery", page one is where you want to be, for sure.

          If you're targeting something a step or two back in the buying process, and there's enough search volume, the top of page 2 could be almost as good as the bottom of page 1.

          I know that if I was selling a guide to, say, affiliate marketing, I would not carp about being somewhere on page 2 or 3 for "make money online"...
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          • Profile picture of the author bfas
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Nice breakdown, well laid out.

            I do think there's the danger of introducing another absolute to replace the old "number og pages in quotes", though.

            There are people in the world who do actually look on page 2 and even page 3 when they don't find what they want on page 1. It depends on the term, though.

            If you're trying to rank for "buy cheap brain surgery", page one is where you want to be, for sure.

            If you're targeting something a step or two back in the buying process, and there's enough search volume, the top of page 2 could be almost as good as the bottom of page 1.

            I know that if I was selling a guide to, say, affiliate marketing, I would not carp about being somewhere on page 2 or 3 for "make money online"...
            I disagree.

            98% of the clickthroughs happen on the first page. Of that, appx. 50% click on the first listing, another 25% on the 2nd or 3rd, and the balance divided among the remaining 7, in descending order.

            Very few click through to Page 2 - it isn't the same as the bottom of Page 1.

            If you are going after a market based on keyword phrases, you want to be on Page 1, and once there you want to reach the top half of the page.

            The rest is crumbs.

            bfas
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by bfas View Post

              I disagree.

              98% of the clickthroughs happen on the first page. Of that, appx. 50% click on the first listing, another 25% on the 2nd or 3rd, and the balance divided among the remaining 7, in descending order.

              Very few click through to Page 2 - it isn't the same as the bottom of Page 1.

              If you are going after a market based on keyword phrases, you want to be on Page 1, and once there you want to reach the top half of the page.

              The rest is crumbs.

              bfas
              If that were as absolute as you make it sound, Google and friends could save themselves a lot of overhead by only returning one page of results, maybe even limit it to five with a big note "we have a lot of other pages, but you wouldn't have clicked on them anyway."

              If your entire market is bounded by one phrase, you may be right. I wouldn't know, because none of the markets I go after can be defined by a single keyword.

              I'm not going to get into any kind of organ-measuring contest with you here. Your mind is obviously made up and you're dead certain you know the way, the truth and the light, so I won't bother arguing with you...
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            • Profile picture of the author seox
              Originally Posted by bfas View Post

              I disagree.

              98% of the clickthroughs happen on the first page. Of that, appx. 50% click on the first listing, another 25% on the 2nd or 3rd, and the balance divided among the remaining 7, in descending order.

              Very few click through to Page 2 - it isn't the same as the bottom of Page 1.

              If you are going after a market based on keyword phrases, you want to be on Page 1, and once there you want to reach the top half of the page.

              The rest is crumbs.

              bfas
              @bfas +1. I was disappointed when my site hit page one and there was NOT a meaningful increase in traffic. I was expecting a huge increase, but it never came. I'm self-taught at seo so I dug in and looked for stats on the top five spots and their respective traffic. Basically, if you're not first, you're last. I would be happy in the top five - top three for sure. I have a couple competitors with big brand names, but the rest in my opinion (not Google's) should be ranking below my site. If anyone thinks they can help me please send me a message.
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  • Profile picture of the author thobbs31
    It has basically been said in several posts in this thread. Whether there are 100 or 1 million results, you are only competing with 10. Those 10 are the only ones that matter. Focus your efforts there, and you'll be surprised how quickly you move up.

    That said, it gets tougher the closer you get to that top 10. That doesn't mean throw in the towel, that means refocus your efforts and keep moving. The work you have done has shown results. Keep doing it. Keep digging. Keep moving.

    -Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
    Originally Posted by friend View Post

    • Competitors on page 1 have page ranks between 0-4, a good mix is best.
    • Competitors on page 1 have less than 100 backlinks to the particular page which is ranking in the SERPS, not total number of backlinks to the site.
    • Competitors on page 1 have the keyword phrase missing in at least 3 of these 4 places, title tag - description tag - keyword tag - alt tag
    • Competitors on page 1 have domain ages of less than 4 years
    • Some competitors on page 1 are articles and/or web 2.0 sites
    • No competitor on page 1 has an exact domain match for your keyword.

    Thanks for the GREAT info.

    I do have a question. Is there a number that you use as a guide to determine if the competition is easy or tough? In other words, if 3 of the first 10 are articles or web 2.0 sites, do you look at it as being easy or tough? If 5 of the first 10 have the keyword phrase in the title tag, description tag, and keyword tag, do you look at as being easy or tough?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Everything I've mentioned should be taken into account.

    I personally believe that outranking articles and web 2.0 is easy. Why? Because it's easy to check and simply outdo the on page seo, and all you have to do is have more backlinks.

    Believe it or not, sometimes if an article is on page 1 for your term, you can write an article super optimized the best you can for the same term. Then simply get more backlinks than the existing article.

    With some time you should see results.
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  • Profile picture of the author NiyazK
    Excellent Post.. Also you should see that the top 10 result doesnt have any Top Level domain. If it does have then it shouldnt have high backlinks and pagerank and be well established. You may see TLD's In the top 10 but some have very few or no backlinks at all...
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  • Profile picture of the author oneims
    Nice tips. I just have one question. What are the top level domains? Can you please explain it more or give some examples.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    You can beat domains that have exact keyword domains so I wouldn't say don't compete in the keyword just because somebody else is doing the same thing..
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    Great post!

    I would have to disagree about domain age. I rank #1 on top of a brand website who's domain was registered 2000. My site was launched in April 2009.
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  • Profile picture of the author Writingman1421
    How big a role do DOMAIN backlinks play in your decision? I know the goal is to look at page backlinks, but I'd have to assume that overall domain backlinks play some sort of a roll
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  • Profile picture of the author Writingman1421
    I never actually thought of it that way, im not sure why to be honest, but you're absolutely right. I have out performed plenty of article directories, very true.

    My next question is, does the amount of pages indexed play any role? Will a website with more pages do better than a website with fewer pages, generally speaking that is? I know its possible and has been done before, but whats the rule of thumb when looking at those stats -- in say, market samurai. I just downloaded the trial and it has impressive information to say the least, but i feel a bit overwhelmed with the possibilities of evaluating the top 10 results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    In market samurai, you can pretty much check all of the above criteria.

    Your question regarding the number of pages-How many pages do article directories have?

    There is no SET IN STONE way to outrank any website really.

    What you have to do is be MORE RELEVANT, and have more QUALITY BACKLINKS saying your MORE RELEVANT to that keyword.

    It really is something that takes getting used to. Once you understand what the search engines look for when determining your rankings, simply do those things better than who's on the first page.

    It really is something you have to learn. Try it, fail at it, and learn from your mistake.

    Go find a keyword to the best of your ability, using all the knowledge you currently have with keyword research and competition research. You probably know more than you give yourself credit for.

    Here's the worst case scenario if you don't succeed with your first website.

    You'll see where your positioning was, so you'll know how much effort it took to get where you did.

    You'll be able to see who's ranking BELOW you in the SERPS and understand WHY you're higher than them a little better.

    You'll start to realize things you can improve on next time.

    Just go for it man, don't get nervous about keyword research. It's only $10 for a domain name, and if it doesn't work out after a month or two, move on.

    There's an infinite number of ways people can look for things on the internet. You'll surely come across a few great ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author getboris
    I always wondered on that "traditional" allintitle competition analysis. Just like you say friend, there could be only 20 sites so strong competing amongst 500 sites for that keyword that it simply doesn't make sense to put time and effort to get to the page #1 SERPs.

    And by the way, the latest... Google restricted the number of allintitle searches. It simply has become not only misleading SEO research approach but also quite annoying tool that kicks you out. I have ran allintitle searches at the beginning and then used SEO Quake to check the competition but now I don't bother with the first step. Waste of time.

    In SEO it is not the number it is the quality of the competition that counts. That simple.

    Thank you for your thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    You need to use the keyword tool first, and find keywords which get traffic.

    AND THEN, evaluate the competitors on page one.

    Start with finding trafficked keywords first. Evaluate page 1 for those keywords after that.
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  • Profile picture of the author KateD
    Hey Guys....

    Totally agree about the need to focus on Page 1 competition. Whenever I start to see competition with less than 5 backlinks to them, my mouth starts to water.

    And yes, there are a lot of listings with 0 Page Backlinks (think Ezinearticles).

    Even if a keyword phrase has hundreds of thousands of competitors, if those first ten are weak, you still have a good shot at outranking almost all of them, especially by using a few SEO tricks and quality backlinking.

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  • Profile picture of the author cpa-money
    i go always to see how much back links the competitors have.
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  • Profile picture of the author t3ch
    well, there will be a rare situation if you can find a keyword, high competitor sites let say 10 mill, will have a weak strength. In my experience a nice spot (weak competition) is under a 1.5 mill competitors. That's mean that total of competitors is still important to determine the competitor strength of a keyword.

    Age of site? I disagree...

    Backlinks under 100? I disagre. This should not put as the guideline to determine competition strengh, if you think with this cateria, you can up a site and get on ttop 10 of google serps without doing anything, then your wrong. The total competitor backlinks is depends on you, if you have time and money to build many backlinks then 100 backlinks is nothing to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author evertd
    The number of competing page is also misleading because that isn't the number of pages that rank for that keyword. Ok, this is my opinion, but try this experiment.

    Type your keyword into google, then at the bottom op the page click on the 10 to go to page 10 of results. In the URL you'll see &start=90, now change that to &start=990. In almost all cases, you'll just to like page 60 or so. That shows me that there are only about 600 pages that actually rank for the keyword.

    Does this actually mean anything? I don't know, but it is kinda interesting to note. I've seen keywords that have 12millon "competing pages", but if you go to the last page of serps, there are only about 500 that rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author ltgreenenergy
    That is great it is really good that you must check first a niche before you enter the fight for it because there are thing that you can always beat and if there is a chance to beat these authority sites, you'll need first to spend lots of money and efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    For me, the main reason why I wasn't succeeding with my online websites, was the poor judgement of my competition.

    All it is, is understanding whether or not you have what it takes to outrank that page.

    Can I optimize my web site ON PAGE better than they did?

    Can I build enough backlinks to compete with theirs without spending an arm and a leg?

    How much content do they really have about this subject?

    How much authority **pagerank** do these websites have over mine?

    What about authority in this particular subject? There have been times when I've outranked wiki's, ehow and such. They may have a high PR, but is their authority in this particular subject?

    Competition research truly is something that requires experience no matter how well it's explained.

    If you can't effectively evaluate your competition, front page google rankings will be from sheer luck.

    If you can evaluate your competition according to your website building skills effectively, you're on a path to a 6 figures a year income.

    Why? Because once you understand competition research, the sky is the limit and this becomes an infinitely scalable process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Thank you, thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    This was very helpful. It gave me some direction in all the problems I've been having.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberskyfox
    Thanks friend for this great info...
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Man, this is the mist useful thread I've read so far here at Warrior. Thanks for the info, friend. Hey, that works on two different levels!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Wow I would have never thought this thread would be so useful to so many.

    I appreciate everyone's feedback and hopefully this thread will continue to help others down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author Romona
    Question: What if all your #1,2, 3 are large businesses like, Amazon...how do you get to #1. That is where I find my site at for some my major kw phrases..#4

    Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by Romona View Post

      Question: What if all your #1,2, 3 are large businesses like, Amazon...how do you get to #1. That is where I find my site at for some my major kw phrases..#4

      Thank you.
      Similar to outranking articles and forums with higher page ranks and more backlinks can be done. Alot of times when a site like that ranks for a term, it really is that one page with that little bit of information that ranks.

      Because often times the authority of these sites is not in the particular subject/terms you're trying to rank for, over time with more relevant content, and backlinks you can out rank Amazon. But like I said it depends on the term you're going for which will determine how much work it will take to climb in rankings.
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      • Profile picture of the author sixstring
        @Friend - Thanks for the great thread my man...One of the more useful ones I have read here on the WF in a while.

        There is one thing I have learned since I started the IM gig about a year ago is that you have to have Patience and keep plugging away in order to see results.

        However, it would be good to get some feedback on when you should just give up on a keyword(website) and move on to better things.

        Here is a current scenario I am working on:
        • Registered a domain name with my exact keyword phrase, but had to add 3 additional letters to it
        • There is only one TLD in the 10 top
        • 1 article(buzzle) and a couple of youtube videos
        • Only one of these sites has over 100 backlinks
        • Per Market Samurai, only 2 are 100% SEO'd (kw in Title,URL,Desc & Head)
        • None in top 10 have any .edu or .gov backlinks
        • There are 5 domains that have a domain age above 8
        • Top 10 include sites with a PR mix of 0-4
        The site is a bit over 1 month old and I am buried in the high 200's when it comes to keyword ranking, but I know that SEO on average takes around 3 months to fully take hold, so I know I need to at least work my butt off on it for 2 or 3 more months.

        So did I do a good job of analyzing on this keyword? It seems that over time you can lose focus and forget the exact reasons you picked your keyword and then start to doubt yourself that you can actually rank it. At least I tend to do this.

        Cheers,

        Six
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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
          Originally Posted by sixstring View Post

          @Friend - Thanks for the great thread my man...One of the more useful ones I have read here on the WF in a while.

          There is one thing I have learned since I started the IM gig about a year ago is that you have to have Patience and keep plugging away in order to see results.

          However, it would be good to get some feedback on when you should just give up on a keyword(website) and move on to better things.

          Here is a current scenario I am working on:
          • Registered a domain name with my exact keyword phrase, but had to add 3 additional letters to it
          • There is only one TLD in the 10 top
          • 1 article(buzzle) and a couple of youtube videos
          • Only one of these sites has over 100 backlinks
          • Per Market Samurai, only 2 are 100% SEO'd (kw in Title,URL,Desc & Head)
          • None in top 10 have any .edu or .gov backlinks
          • There are 5 domains that have a domain age above 8
          • Top 10 include sites with a PR mix of 0-4
          The site is a bit over 1 month old and I am buried in the high 200's when it comes to keyword ranking, but I know that SEO on average takes around 3 months to fully take hold, so I know I need to at least work my butt off on it for 2 or 3 more months.

          So did I do a good job of analyzing on this keyword? It seems that over time you can lose focus and forget the exact reasons you picked your keyword and then start to doubt yourself that you can actually rank it. At least I tend to do this.

          Cheers,

          Six
          What about backlinks? How many do your competitors have? You left that out in your criteria above. This part is very important.

          Think about backlinks as "votes" The more backlinks you have the more votes you have from other websites.

          By being in a situation where you can get yourself more "votes" than your competitors youll have a better chance of ranking.

          Competition research takes time, and out of all things involved with SEO, keyword research and competition research are the most time consuming and important things you must learn.
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          • Profile picture of the author sixstring
            Originally Posted by friend View Post

            What about backlinks? How many do your competitors have? You left that out in your criteria above. This part is very important.

            Think about backlinks as "votes" The more backlinks you have the more votes you have from other websites.

            By being in a situation where you can get yourself more "votes" than your competitors youll have a better chance of ranking.

            Competition research takes time, and out of all things involved with SEO, keyword research and competition research are the most time consuming and important things you must learn.
            Here are the backlinks from page 1 - 10:

            109
            10
            319
            15
            9
            10
            1
            19
            69
            2
            54

            In my initial estimation, I thought that these numbers were pretty low.
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            • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
              Sounds like this is a battle you can win. Get as many backlinks as you can. Keep adding content for a while and you should rise up in rankings.

              The more work you put in, the higher in the SERPS you''ll climb.
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              • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
                Dang it.

                Now, I see where I've gotten tripped up.

                This really is a whole different thing to wrap your head around...to look at the strength of the page #1 competition, rather than the number of competing pages. Seems like common sense. Which I'm guilty of lacking.

                Why don't more "gurus' make a big deal about this?

                I've seen references to the strength of competition before, but it was never EMPHASIZED this way.

                In other words, no one hit me over been the head with a two by four to make me see how important it is. Maybe I just haven't been clued into the right people.

                So, many thanks to you, for this information and guidance.

                By the way, are you really only 21??? If so, how did you get so smart so young???


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                • Profile picture of the author FredJones
                  Hi "Friend",

                  There is much more to it. Would it help to read the first couple of posts of this Warrior Forum thread of mine?

                  Here is the thread

                  It is too long to repeat it once more, but I have tried my best to capture it there.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
                    Originally Posted by FredJones View Post

                    Hi "Friend",

                    There is much more to it. Would it help to read the first couple of posts of this Warrior Forum thread of mine?

                    Here is the thread

                    It is too long to repeat it once more, but I have tried my best to capture it there.
                    I read your thread. I'm not too keen on outbound links aside from wiki's and about.com type of stuff. Maybe WebMD or similar you get the drift. I keep my external linking to a minimum.

                    And bolded and italicized content in the competitors sites is a good indicator that they may be targeting the term you're researching.

                    However the impact of that particular feature of a competitors website doesn't have a huge impact as far as increased competition because of it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
                      All said and done, I must say that the method you have given is awesome for practical purposes. It gives you a well-defined framework using which you could rank your possible choices of niches in the SEO context. So personally I like your original post. And totally agree with most of the points with a few exceptions here and there (for example, articles being on the first page may not necessarily be a strong indicator).

                      Originally Posted by friend View Post

                      I read your thread. I'm not too keen on outbound links aside from wiki's and about.com type of stuff. Maybe WebMD or similar you get the drift. I keep my external linking to a minimum.

                      And bolded and italicized content in the competitors sites is a good indicator that they may be targeting the term you're researching.

                      However the impact of that particular feature of a competitors website doesn't have a huge impact as far as increased competition because of it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
                        Originally Posted by FredJones View Post

                        All said and done, I must say that the method you have given is awesome for practical purposes. It gives you a well-defined framework using which you could rank your possible choices of niches in the SEO context. So personally I like your original post. And totally agree with most of the points with a few exceptions here and there (for example, articles being on the first page may not necessarily be a strong indicator).
                        Sometimes articles can be a bit stubborn. Depends on whether they have link juice to it.

                        I do typically outrank articles eventually. As far as articles I try to copy their backlinks to level the playing field a bit.

                        Articles aren't a big obstacle but do sometimes require a teeny bit of work to outrank them.
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                • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
                  Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

                  Dang it.

                  Now, I see where I've gotten tripped up.

                  This really is a whole different thing to wrap your head around...to look at the strength of the page #1 competition, rather than the number of competing pages. Seems like common sense. Which I'm guilty of lacking.

                  Why don't more "gurus' make a big deal about this?

                  I've seen references to the strength of competition before, but it was never EMPHASIZED this way.

                  In other words, no one hit me over been the head with a two by four to make me see how important it is. Maybe I just haven't been clued into the right people.

                  So, many thanks to you, for this information and guidance.

                  By the way, are you really only 21??? If so, how did you get so smart so young???


                  Catherine
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                  Lol yes I'm really 21. I'll be 22 on June 20!

                  I just learn from my mistakes, try new things until I find something that works for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author junkdna
      Originally Posted by Romona View Post

      Question: What if all your #1,2, 3 are large businesses like, Amazon...how do you get to #1. That is where I find my site at for some my major kw phrases..#4

      Thank you.
      Although I would, in theory, agree with 'friend's' recommendations, in practice life is much more complicated. Much more like what Ramona described.

      I am on the 7th position of the 1st Google page. I have something like 500 links for that page, while all the guys above me put together have something like 100 links. So I have 5 times more links than all the higher ranking competitors put together (for the page in question). But those above me are very big companies, with huge sites, whose domains attract massive number of links. Amazon is one of them, and other are similar. Each one of them has a domain links 100 times higher than my domain. Plus, my site is only one year old, while each one of them is at least 5 years old.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
        Originally Posted by junkdna View Post

        Although I would, in theory, agree with 'friend's' recommendations, in practice life is much more complicated. Much more like what Ramona described.

        I am on the 7th position of the 1st Google page. I have something like 500 links for that page, while all the guys above me put together have something like 100 links. So I have 5 times more links than all the higher ranking competitors put together (for the page in question). But those above me are very big companies, with huge sites, whose domains attract massive number of links. Amazon is one of them, and other are similar. Each one of them has a domain links 100 times higher than my domain. Plus, my site is only one year old, while each one of them is at least 5 years old.
        That doesn't quite fit the criteria I stated above. Again though it depends on your skill set and what you're willing to put in.

        But anyways as you just stated, you're on the first page of google fighting a fight you think you can win.

        And it sounds like you may eventually win if you keep working at it.

        Also the above criteria is not set in stone. But for me those things are how I personally judge my competition for a website of a particular size. A website in which I only WANT to put in X amount of work.

        But of coarse evaluating competition is EXTREMELY difficult to explain with words, or even videos. It's one of those things, like driving a standard, that you just have to get a feel for. IMO

        However the point is that it depends on what your skill set is, and what level of competition is in your "ballpark" so to speak.

        You can rank for any term in the world you want, you just have to understand what and how much it will take to get there.

        Sounds like you're doing alright with your site, working your way up
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    • Profile picture of the author lselvon
      You have pretty much covered it all here which is exactly what I look for also. I use Market Samurai to look at all of this with a breeze.
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  • Profile picture of the author adam westrop
    I cant believe people still look at the number of competitiors etc....That is funny, I have never done that.

    You have also missed out some major important ranking factors in your post, but overall you are there... Especially if you are focusing niche... You need to learn a lot more to join the big leagues though.
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    • Profile picture of the author madzseo
      Thanks 'friend'. This is what WF is all about. I have learned more in two years reading posts from people like you on WF than what I have read from copycat ebooks and "secret formulas" of "gurus".
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      • Profile picture of the author jvvlimme
        What makes a page rank?

        Trust/Authority of the domain

        This is why for so many keywords you find wikipedia, amazon, yahoo, ... on the first page. Google knows these publishers and knows that the information on their pages are relevant to what the searcher is looking for. Thanks to this new pages on for example wikipedia will rank fast and high even if it has no or little backlinks.

        Building trust and authority is something that takes alot of time and you will probably never get the same level as those huge sites. You can gain authority by obtaining quality backlinks and expanding your site beyond a few pages. This is why most automated link building operations will damage your reputation for Google as the links you obtain come from low quality locations.

        The trust and authority is often reflected by the pagerank but don't attach too much value to it.

        Link popularity of the specific page

        The actual backlinks a page receives. The more do-follow links a page receives, the higher it will rank. Also links from quality, trusted sources are worth a lot more than low quality links. One link from bbc.co.uk is worth several hundreds of links from spammy blogs.

        Also the diversification of the link sources plays a big role. If they come all from the same root domain, they carry less value than if they all come from different websites. Google does look if sites are related by checking if they are on the same hosting website or on the same class C block of IP addresses.

        Does the link come from a source that is about similar topics or is it on something completely different?

        Anchor text of external links to the page

        This is probably one of the most important factors. If there are tons of external links saying that your site is about rubber ducks, then for google, your site most likely will be about rubber ducks.

        This is one of the main factors where you can beat your competitors as most of them will not have that many exact matches in their anchor texts.

        On page keyword use

        Does the keyword appear a healthy number of times on the page? Does it appear in the title tag, in heading tags? Can you find it in the meta description? Can you find it in image alt tags?

        As a general rule of thumb you should include your main keyword no more than 2 to 3 times in short texts and 4 to 5 times in longer texts not to appear spammy.


        Those are the main 4 ranking factors for Google. While there is little you can do to immediately influence the first, there is enough you can do on the latter to increase your rankings and beat sites like Amazon or Wikipedia as they only score on the first.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
        Originally Posted by madzseo View Post

        Thanks 'friend'. This is what WF is all about. I have learned more in two years reading posts from people like you on WF than what I have read from copycat ebooks and "secret formulas" of "gurus".
        Thank you I really appreciate that.
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        • Profile picture of the author cummins cowboy
          friend, do you have some contact info, I would like you to look at my situation if that is what you do, however I don't have the post count to send you a PM
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          • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
            Originally Posted by cummins cowboy View Post

            friend, do you have some contact info, I would like you to look at my situation if that is what you do, however I don't have the post count to send you a PM
            Well I don't do consultations lol. But you can feel free to ask me here in this thread.
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            • Profile picture of the author cummins cowboy
              Originally Posted by friend View Post

              Well I don't do consultations lol. But you can feel free to ask me here in this thread.
              I am new here so I don't know all the rules or codes of conduct, so bear with me. your method of operation sounds EXACTLY like what I need, look at the competition and see what its going to take to beat them. I am a business owner, I don't consider myself very tech savvy, but after being ripped off. I am here trying to learn all I can myself so if nothing else I don't end up spending money where I don't need it or with the wrong people. what I think I need is someone to look at my site, look at my competitors and say ok here is a plan to beat them. its going to take this much work. if someone else is reading this and thinks they can help me out. PM me I am not sure if I can respond yet as my post count is nothing.
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              • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
                Originally Posted by cummins cowboy View Post

                I am new here so I don't know all the rules or codes of conduct, so bear with me. your method of operation sounds EXACTLY like what I need, look at the competition and see what its going to take to beat them. I am a business owner, I don't consider myself very tech savvy, but after being ripped off. I am here trying to learn all I can myself so if nothing else I don't end up spending money where I don't need it or with the wrong people. what I think I need is someone to look at my site, look at my competitors and say ok here is a plan to beat them. its going to take this much work. if someone else is reading this and thinks they can help me out. PM me I am not sure if I can respond yet as my post count is nothing.
                I'll try to help you out,

                what is your domain
                what keyword are you trying to rank for?


                I'll take a look and see if I have any brilliant advice for you.

                I don't believe anyone will try and steal your spot if you mention it here, people are pretty helpful here so I wouldn't worry about putting your info in this thread.
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                • Profile picture of the author junkdna
                  It would be great if there was a software that would tell you how many links you need to build, in order to get to the G.1, G.2 etc. position.

                  One thing that is often missed is quality of links. It actually had happened to me to get to the G.5 position with just one high quality link. My jaw dropped on the floor, but it was true. And keyword was related to 'life insurance' that is not piece of cake industry either.

                  I have this program called SEO SpyGlass and one column has variable that somehow calculates a 'strength' of each link. 95% of my links are 0.000 strength :p, few are around 0.025 and maybe one on 0.3.

                  A friend of mine holds G.1. for several important phrases, owing to just one link, that according to the SpyGlass has strength of 1.5

                  I haven't got a clue how SEO SpyGlass calculates this strength.
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    Very cool post thanks for all the free info
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    awesome post and tips. its wierd how someone would use proof such as position 5 in google out of 500,000 competing sites to sell a seo course. a lot of crap out there.
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    I now think that i can't win but i still have hope
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Originally Posted by friend View Post

    How much content do they really have about this subject?
    Number 1 thing I really look at when it comes to competition. Most of the time their websites aren't based around the niche you are going after especially if you have a good niche. Put out more and better information on the keywords and you can outrank much easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Don't worry about that. The more relevant of a place you can put a link, and the higher the page rank the better.

    Crappy Profile links>>>Minimal link juice...IMO

    A high PR directory listing with a good description>>>>>>Huge link juice

    A great optimized high PR blog/web 2.0 site with a link back>>>>>>>Huge link juice

    A relevant and detailed blog comment with a link back>>>>>>>>Medium link juice

    This is all IMO but for the most part, it depends on where your link is, the PR, the surrounding text, the anchor text, follow/no follow, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author junkdna
      Originally Posted by friend View Post


      Crappy Profile links>>>Minimal link juice...IMO
      Agreed 100%. Out of 100 crappy Angela back links, on which I toiled for two months, 3 got indexed. Over hyped rubish.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
        Originally Posted by junkdna View Post

        Agreed 100%. Out of 100 crappy Angela back links, on which I toiled for two months, 3 got indexed. Over hyped rubish.
        I wouldn't bash on angela too much, as these links DO carry SOME link juice. They're not very valuable per say but they do have a slight impact especially if your competitors don't have many backlinks, sometimes it's just that little "nudge" that makes the big difference.

        Even though Angela's backlinks have low value or relevancy to your keyword, they're still backlinks and they're EXTREMELY easy to implement fast.

        Personally I go for the more valuable backlinks but depending on your situation Angela's may help.
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      • Profile picture of the author culvers
        Originally Posted by junkdna View Post

        Agreed 100%. Out of 100 crappy Angela back links, on which I toiled for two months, 3 got indexed. Over hyped rubish.
        Did you do anything to get them indexed? Obviously not. I get 70% indexing rate with profile links, and they are extremely effective at improving rankings, considering how many can be produced per hour versus other linkbuilding methods.
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        • Profile picture of the author junkdna
          Large percentage of Angela's links gets deleted by webmasters, even before you can index them. As well, I do not have any effective method, for indexing a large number of links.

          I can index my site ok, but how do you index 100 links? I am trying BIE now, but got stuck with a first step, because auto-blogs themselves can not get indexed.
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          • Profile picture of the author culvers
            Originally Posted by junkdna View Post

            Large percentage of Angela's links gets deleted by webmasters, even before you can index them. As well, I do not have any effective method, for indexing a large number of links.

            I can index my site ok, but how do you index 100 links? I am trying BIE now, but got stuck with a first step, because auto-blogs themselves can not get indexed.
            Create the profile, then wait at least 1 week. Then log in, and add your links. Once you have added the link, ping the profile URL. You can also use automated tools like BIE and there are some other more advanced methods, but doing the above basics will prevent most of your links being deleted, and should ensure that at least 50% are indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    awesome post What are the best free tools for figuring this all out if you dont mind me asking? Sounds like this is something to use for sure for some of the smaller niches to see fast results
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  • Profile picture of the author areaK
    This is exactly why I love Market Samurai. Lets you easily evaluate the top 10 competition!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    I use a combination of

    the page rank toolbar for firefox

    SEO Spyglass

    and any WHOIS resource for domain age, however I don't pay much attention to it.

    That's about it.

    Aside from that just look through their site for relevance/amount of content on the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    Thanks, guess it would be easier with marketing samurai. So Friend do you think ranking in small niches could be pretty easy with your outline? I have ranked in small niches within only 3-5 days but didnt know all of this information you stated really
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by coreytucker View Post

      Thanks, guess it would be easier with marketing samurai. So Friend do you think ranking in small niches could be pretty easy with your outline? I have ranked in small niches within only 3-5 days but didnt know all of this information you stated really
      Yea IMO. But what is a "small" niche site to you, may be different than me.

      I typically shoot for 10 500 word articles/posts, or 20 250 word articles with 2 different articles targetting only 1 keyword.

      I found that splitting a single post into 2 related posts with different subjects but with the same keyword, helps me write content easier

      But I found that both ways work for me as far as SEO goes

      And as far as my pages I typically just create the the typical "about" "contact" "privacy policy" and maybe a forum or something related.

      As far as backlinks I look for less than 100 because that's what I'm willing to build "MANUALLY". I hate backlinks but 100 is reasonable as some things do take "some" work.
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    Thanks. When I say small niches im talking about the really small ones that are sub niches of a bigger niche. My current thinking is this strategy could work well for say 10 page content sites with adsense on this.

    Of course your SEO technique works well for any niche im sure. But I was thinking this would be a good way to locate some smaller niches that you could "dominate" and make some profit with either your own products or adsense in a fairly short time period of say a week or two. Well I hope anyways
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Brown
    It's always bothered me that people say check your competition by searching in quotes. Most people don't search in quotes, so why would it matter if you're in the top ten? You want to be in the top ten results without quotes.
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    • Profile picture of the author junkdna
      A good, but FREE tool for evaluating competition is SEO Quake, add on for the Fire Fox. It gives you all the info as Market Samuray, but it is free.

      Both SQ and MS give you a big picture. If you want to drill in, than you need SEO SpyGlass. SpyGlass pulls out every link your competitor has. Than you go, if you are not lazy, and get links from where your competitor got them and bingo you are above him!

      Sometimes that strategy is called 'offsetting'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    You should ping each link you create...copy the url and paste at pingomatic.com

    That helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    Thanks for the advice - you've made some good points there
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  • Profile picture of the author techwarrior
    The overall strategy to land in Page 1 has been laid out very well in this thread.

    Well appreciated, friend.

    And it's good that there was mention about pinging the backlinks created.
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  • Profile picture of the author kokoeslamkoko
    thank you very much , your thread is so fine I have a question

    does the .info domain rank well as .com , .net , etc ? or what ( please replay from your own experience )

    and for the back link what kind of it I should built and can I use the same anchor text for the 100 backlink I have to built ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by kokoeslamkoko View Post

      thank you very much , your thread is so fine I have a question

      does the .info domain rank well as .com , .net , etc ? or what ( please replay from your own experience )

      and for the back link what kind of it I should built and can I use the same anchor text for the 100 backlink I have to built ?
      I have never registered a .info domain. So I couldn't say.

      I've never come across a .info site while evaluating competition so I can't say I've ever even seen a .info rank in the search engines.

      Backlinks are best in variety IMO. For ever 1 link I build to my main site, I'll also build one to a deeper page within my site.

      If I only have the option to use one backlink at a particular source and it's a high PR great source for a backlink I'll use my main keyword to my main page.
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  • Profile picture of the author kokoeslamkoko
    I wondered If I start applying this steps and start a site how long will It take to get at least 10$ daily from it using adsense ?? and the best approach for working on it
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by kokoeslamkoko View Post

      I wondered If I start applying this steps and start a site how long will It take to get at least 10$ daily from it using adsense ?? and the best approach for working on it
      It totally depends on your niche. Some niches have $20+ per click, some have less than $1.

      In general though, if your site is directed towards driving people through to click on your adsense ads, it's typically pretty easy to do.

      A typical CTR for Adsense if that's mainly what you're promoting, for me is around 5%.

      So if you get 100 visitors per day, and 5 of them click through, if you get $2 for each click you'll be making $10 per day.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemiller1
    great post!
    my competitor
    -has the main home page for my keyword
    - is PR 5
    -most of his backlinks r to the home page, some from high PR

    I selected my keyword mainly on the number of searches! (started about a month ago, my 1st site)
    Im screwed now..lol
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    I`l start a new niche website, but continue with the above one.
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    In some of the new niches, I get local directories in the search
    - friend /or anyone one - how hard is it to beat local directories? Any opinions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by mikemiller1 View Post

      great post!
      my competitor
      -has the main home page for my keyword
      - is PR 5
      -most of his backlinks r to the home page, some from high PR

      I selected my keyword mainly on the number of searches! (started about a month ago, my 1st site)
      Im screwed now..lol
      --------------------------------
      I`l start a new niche website, but continue with the above one.
      --------------------------------
      In some of the new niches, I get local directories in the search
      - friend /or anyone one - how hard is it to beat local directories? Any opinions?
      Why not submit your URL to the directory on the first page? That's an easy first page ranking.
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    extremely valuable info... i am really very impressed.
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  • Profile picture of the author edwin92
    Thank you for your information.. that is nice thinking...
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  • Profile picture of the author salma66
    thanks for the info...before this, i thought the hardest part is optimizing the blog...then i built a blog...after less than one month, i check the blog...ranked at 1st page of google search with ===> "mykeywords" search, compete with 49k other blog...but when check it with ===> mykeywords, it's not even in the 50th page....

    then i realize, i'm i doing something wrong with the keywords?...then you answer my question...thank you so much...
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    thanks for this great info
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