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Profile backlinks vs real content backlinks...

by thobbs31
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As posted previously, since mid January I've managed to get my site to page 4 of Google. I am doing multiple things every day to try and get the site to page one. I'm writing articles, blogging, sending out press releases, and building profile backlinks using Paul's BLs and another provider. I check my backlinks and all other changes every single day in an effort to identify the stuff that is working.

That said, I'm starting to lean toward the "profile links are worthless" camp. Of all the links I've created through the various methods mentioned above only one profile link is listed for my site. This is despite pinging, rss feed, and other "boosting" of every single profile link. That's a little disappointing to me since I've spent so much time building them.

That said, I'm going to stick with my profile link subscriptions for another month or so and see what happens. I'll re-evaluate and then decide whether to continue with them or not.

I'm in no way saying that profile links don't work. I'm simply stating that they don't appear to be working for me. Is there something else I should be doing with them that I've missed somewhere along the way?

-Tom
#backlinks #content #profile #real
  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    Profile links work.

    You can't say "it's not working for you", search engines aren't choosy. They are robots that literally go by the rules. If it works for one, it works for everyone.

    Therefore, one of the possible reasons that profile links "aren't working for you" is that the competition is too tough.

    -Shaun
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    • Profile picture of the author thobbs31
      Shaun,

      Thanks for the reply. I guess my assessment is based on the fact that only one of the hundreds of profile backlinks I've created actually shows up in my stats. This is despite the fact I think I've done everything possible to have them indexed and counted. Maybe it takes longer than 3 or 4 months, and that's fine. However, the links built into blog comments, articles, press releases, etc. are all usually indexed within a week. So, wouldn't it make more sense for me to take the time I use building profile links and instead use that time to write additional articles, blog posts, PRs, etc.?

      Again, I haven't given up on profile links and I'll continue to build them for another month or two. After that, if I don't start seeing them indexed and counted (even the ones I built back in January), I'll have to conclude that my time is better spent on other methods.

      -Tom
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        First, in terms of showing up, make sure you do some sort of comprehensive search like using seo spyglass or something. Its not perfect, but its best that almost any other option out there. If you are looking for backlinks in Google (something like "links:", then that's a joke as typically maybe 1% of links show up as backlinks there.

        In any event, you should be doing something to your profiles after you create them to give them a "boost", imho. This has increased the indexing speed a lot. I use sean donahoe's backliink booster and it helps a lot, imho. The free way is to set up an account at ping.fm, and then send the link out through your ping.fm network.

        I typically get about a 5o% indexing rate after 30 days, although some platforms tend to be faster to index. In my experience, expressionengine is the easiest/fastest.

        Unfortunately, some of the packet providers sort of gloss of the "boosting" aspect and just tell you to put them up and forget about the links, which IMHO is a big disservice.

        Tom

        Originally Posted by thobbs31 View Post

        Shaun,

        Thanks for the reply. I guess my assessment is based on the fact that only one of the hundreds of profile backlinks I've created actually shows up in my stats. This is despite the fact I think I've done everything possible to have them indexed and counted. Maybe it takes longer than 3 or 4 months, and that's fine. However, the links built into blog comments, articles, press releases, etc. are all usually indexed within a week. So, wouldn't it make more sense for me to take the time I use building profile links and instead use that time to write additional articles, blog posts, PRs, etc.?

        Again, I haven't given up on profile links and I'll continue to build them for another month or two. After that, if I don't start seeing them indexed and counted (even the ones I built back in January), I'll have to conclude that my time is better spent on other methods.

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        • Profile picture of the author thobbs31
          Lee, it's the latter. When I use a tool to count my backlinks, only one profile link is in the list.

          Tom, I'll take your advice and try another tool to see if it shows more profile backlinks credited. Also, I do use Backlink Booster on every single link I create. It has certainly shown great results on all of my other links and I like the product.

          -Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Megafoo
    If they aren't showing up then your probably creating links on bad/low traffic forums.
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      This is a high traffic forum (or is it?) and I can't see my profile page indexed

      Originally Posted by Megafoo View Post

      If they aren't showing up then your probably creating links on bad/low traffic forums.
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      • Profile picture of the author Megafoo
        Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

        This is a high traffic forum (or is it?) and I can't see my profile page indexed
        That could be because Warrior forum prevents SE bots from visiting member profiles..
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          Is there any way of determining it?

          Originally Posted by Megafoo View Post

          That could be because Warrior forum prevents SE bots from visiting member profiles..
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

        This is a high traffic forum (or is it?) and I can't see my profile page indexed
        Well, my Warrior Forum profile is currently sitting on page 3 of Google for a search of my name, and there was even a pretty good baseball player of the same name (most of the results).

        My profile on my 3 month old VB forum is sitting on page 4 of Google as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    In my experience, only a small fraction of the backlinks you toss out there will ever stick.

    There a way to submit those pages to Google directly for indexing? Would sure increase efficiency.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Sorry to sound stupid, but when you say "Of all the links I've created through the various methods mentioned above only one profile link is listed for my site" does that mean that when you search Google for some keyword phrase that you put in your profile links that only 1 of them shows up?

    Or is it that when you search the backlinks to your site with some tool, that you only see one of them as a back link.

    I'm confused because you say only 1 shows up in your stats - are you talking about your referrer stats?

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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Profile backlinks work.

    Not all backlinks show up in Yahoo Sitexplorer and almost none in Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmom07
    I think it depends on what forum you are creating profile links to...I did around 35-40 last week through roboform and about 10 of them are showing up as backlinks already in yahoo site explorer...and all i did was ping them....i dont bother doing rss or whatever backlink booster there is...i just leave it as it is and hope for the best....i dont want to make things any more complicated...well, thats just me...
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    As Jack said, most of the links you build will never show up in Google. Google knows they are there and you will get credit for them, but they will not reveal the existence of them because they don't want anyone to reverse engineer their algorithm.

    Just keep building them and eventually it should pay off, depending on the strength of the first page results and how many back links they have.

    I don't know were backlinkwatch.com gets their data from, but try them and see if you find more of your links. They probably get it from the search engines, so probably will not show anything different. But it is worth a try, just in case.
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    • Profile picture of the author chattervine
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      As Jack said, most of the links you build will never show up in Google. Google knows they are there and you will get credit for them, but they will not reveal the existence of them because they don't want anyone to reverse engineer their algorithm.

      Just keep building them and eventually it should pay off, depending on the strength of the first page results and how many back links they have.

      I don't know were backlinkwatch.com gets their data from, but try them and see if you find more of your links. They probably get it from the search engines, so probably will not show anything different. But it is worth a try, just in case.
      SEO is not something that you can see it by rough eyes, what timpears said is true. as me, i do makes a lot of backlinks towards my site. unfortunately, when i check by yahoo and google, there is only a few backlinks. in the beginning, i started to give up because it is useless to make such huge backlinks but there are no results found.

      but a few day later, my site have spotted in 2nd page in google and that gives me an inspire to improve my effort to increase the backlink.
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      • Profile picture of the author Orkhan Ibad
        It is much more helpful to have content backlinks rather than having profile backlinks. Content backlinks have more chance to stay there while having more quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author xops
    Have you considered maybe some of the profile links are no follow?
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I had a case study detailed how I mix profile links and other automated backlinks to rank on almost all my targeted keywords, this might be a good reference for you. Check out here <=.

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      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      I had a case study detailed how I mix profile links and other automated backlinks to rank on almost all my targeted keywords, this might be a good reference for you. Check out here <=.

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      Thanks for that link, a great reading mate!
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  • Profile picture of the author manishrawat
    don't make profiles for the sake of back links only. If you are making profile by the name of your company than why limit yourself up to back linking and seo only. Look what lies ahead may be it is more fruitful than one back link with a very little Link Juice in it.

    If you are active and participating well in the forums or any other site and sharing good knowledge than you are boosting your brand image, and people will take you more seriously, which is worth far more than just making profile juts for the sake of a back link.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Lee, it's the latter. When I use a tool to count my backlinks, only one profile link is in the list.
    Yeah, like Tom Goodwin says above, the tools don't always show all the back links. His advice is probably about the best you will get - sounds like he knows a lot about these types of links from his own testing (as opposed to a lot of advice that you will get from people who just repeat what they have heard in some other forum!).

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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    There are Warriors offering profile link services. I tested Jeremy Kellsal's service and it definetly gave my site a boost.

    These links should be outsorced imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by thobbs31 View Post

    I'm in no way saying that profile links don't work. I'm simply stating that they don't appear to be working for me. Is there something else I should be doing with them that I've missed somewhere along the way?

    -Tom
    You are right. They do NOT work. Others are right that they DO work.
    the problem is you may be talking about two different things.

    I have seen profile sites push pages to the top of Google for long tail well researched terms. I have not seen any very competitive term rank just on profile backlinks.

    You see a lot of people say that this or that backlink service gave them a boost. What you seldom see is anyone say they are ranked number one for a compettive search term. Oh they claim it but when they finally give you the term isn't really competitive.

    So if you are planning to JUST use profile backlinks and you intend to use them on a very compettive term then good luck. IN my eperience Profile backlinks are there to get you up the ranks to get noticed and as a little booster after that.

    The long term use of thousands of profile backlinks i s garbage for an established website in a competitive niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I am 100% against creating profiles just to create profiles.
      It is useless to create hundreds of profiles. You are never
      going to be an active member, so all those profiles will either
      never count, or get deleted before they do.

      The profiles that work are on high profile forums that you
      remain active.

      What is the sense in spamming, er, joining a forum just for a
      link? Why should google choose a site based on a bunch of
      profile links?

      If people keep preaching about spamming profile links, even
      publishing a list of hundreds to spam, eventually google will
      devalue the whole lot of you.

      Forum owners should not have to be subject to spam based on
      someone's list. Unfortunately, we keep getting people who say,
      "who does it hurt? So what?" It does hurt. It hurts people by
      promoting a bad way of getting links. It hurts forums by turning
      them into profile link farms.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        You are never
        going to be an active member, so all those profiles will either
        never count, or get deleted before they do.
        You can argue against the ethics of the practice (each person's right), but that statement is just plain wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
          Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

          You can argue against the ethics of the practice (each person's right), but that statement is just plain wrong.
          Definitely. Just about every forum has heaps and heaps of members without posts or who are rarely active.
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          • Profile picture of the author inter123
            If all your backlinks are mostly from forum profiles, is it all possible competition can report you and the result is losing SERP?
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            • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
              Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

              If all your backlinks are mostly from forum profiles, is it all possible competition can report you and the result is losing SERP?
              You should always look to diversify your links as much as possible, however, the chances of what you suggested are pretty low, in my opinion.

              Google isn't interested in penalising our sites. They are simply asking people to report spam so they can constantly know what types of things people doing SEO are doing so they can make changes to their algorithm accordingly.
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              • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

                You should always look to diversify your links as much as possible, however, the chances of what you suggested are pretty low, in my opinion.

                Google isn't interested in penalising our sites. They are simply asking people to report spam so they can constantly know what types of things people doing SEO are doing so they can make changes to their algorithm accordingly.
                Agree. I never bother people reporting me to Google, as I can do the same. Do you know how much time Google need to go through all the complaints and report?

                Google hate the most - people who build doorway page and mess up the SERP! SERP must serve the purpose of the searchers, or they will not use Google anymore! That's why Google don't care about people doing SEO, using SEO service to rank their website, as long as those website are helpful to searchers, they are leave alone.

                We need to stay away from technique that are used by many spammer, because those guys don't build good site and content, they are there to consume and not contribute, Google will trace their pattern and implement new filters to counter those sites, if you happens to use those techniques for ranking, your site will drop... even if they are great content!

                However, if you observe and modify their techniques, cover your tracks and plan properly, you not only benefit from their skills, but your site will last long, because you are blending yourself with many other legitimate sites, Google can't "KILL" you without taking out those proper sites...!

                That's why despite profile links are used by many spammers who disregards Google interest, we still can use it for our own good, but in a very different way.
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                • Profile picture of the author Piscola
                  So where do you take your backlinks, if we use the same logic as you do blog commenting is also unethical because honestly you are not an "active member" of the blog, if that is the case if you had 100 backlinks, you would be an active member of 100 different blogs.... i don't think anyone have some much time for this... So for me blog commeting is the same as profile backlinks, taking your way of thinking.... so there is not so much left for building backlinks.. i honestly would change my strategy if you could share with us your technique for adquiring backlinks in ethical and correct way....


                  Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

                  I am 100% against creating profiles just to create profiles.
                  It is useless to create hundreds of profiles. You are never
                  going to be an active member, so all those profiles will either
                  never count, or get deleted before they do.

                  The profiles that work are on high profile forums that you
                  remain active.

                  What is the sense in spamming, er, joining a forum just for a
                  link? Why should google choose a site based on a bunch of
                  profile links?

                  If people keep preaching about spamming profile links, even
                  publishing a list of hundreds to spam, eventually google will
                  devalue the whole lot of you.

                  Forum owners should not have to be subject to spam based on
                  someone's list. Unfortunately, we keep getting people who say,
                  "who does it hurt? So what?" It does hurt. It hurts people by
                  promoting a bad way of getting links. It hurts forums by turning
                  them into profile link farms.

                  Paul
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                  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
                    Its easy silly ...

                    You merely flood the article directories and press release sites with your "quality content" about acne creams, penis enlargement, reflux cures and **** berry wonder-ments.

                    Isnt that what the serps need? A 1000 renditions of spun tripe [ often referred to as quality unique content ] on hemorrhoids from 147 glorified spam repositories .... errrrr... I mean - "article directories"?

                    Kinda sick of the bountiful freakin hypocrites trolling on these boards - screaming from the mountain tops about "backlink spam" - blk hat this, and white hat that ... blah.

                    But hey - go right ahead - steal that dudes RSS feed, convert it to polish, german, russian and back to english - and now of course - its your content. And - just because ya can - strip out all his backlinks and inject yours. Bravo ... you are now a "REAL" marketer by the new WF standards.

                    Congrats to all ...


                    Originally Posted by Piscola View Post

                    So where do you take your backlinks, if we use the same logic as you do blog commenting is also unethical because honestly you are not an "active member" of the blog, if that is the case if you had 100 backlinks, you would be an active member of 100 different blogs.... i don't think anyone have some much time for this... So for me blog commeting is the same as profile backlinks, taking your way of thinking.... so there is not so much left for building backlinks.. i honestly would change my strategy if you could share with us your technique for adquiring backlinks in ethical and correct way....
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                    • Profile picture of the author culvers
                      You should be writing link bait about 4 slice toasters, then people will naturally link to your 4 slice toaster micro site. Word will spread about your great 4 slice toaster related content, and soon you will getting natural high pr backlinks and you will rank number 1 for lots of keywords
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
                        Ha ha, classic advice, matt cutts would be proud

                        Originally Posted by culvers View Post

                        You should be writing link bait about 4 slice toasters, then people will naturally link to your 4 slice toaster micro site. Word will spread about your great 4 slice toaster related content, and soon you will getting natural high pr backlinks and you will rank number 1 for lots of keywords
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                      • Profile picture of the author Gavin Abeyratne
                        Originally Posted by culvers View Post

                        You should be writing link bait about 4 slice toasters, then people will naturally link to your 4 slice toaster micro site. Word will spread about your great 4 slice toaster related content, and soon you will getting natural high pr backlinks and you will rank number 1 for lots of keywords
                        HAHAHA... Im sorry but this made me LAUGH OUT LOUD. love it
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                        • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
                          Originally Posted by daedalus1 View Post

                          HAHAHA... Im sorry but this made me LAUGH OUT LOUD. love it
                          Yes, truly the laugh I needed to end my day on a good note.:p
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                    • Profile picture of the author Piscola
                      I thin been sacarstic is not the way to contribute here, friend i dont support any of what you say regarding to the method of article submitting, i you have read good, I only stated to paul, to give a suggestion of where we can get backlinks beside blog commeting and profile backlinks....

                      Honestly i dont do any of the market or niches you mentioned and i totally disagree with that sort of spam.

                      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

                      Its easy silly ...

                      You merely flood the article directories and press release sites with your "quality content" about acne creams, penis enlargement, reflux cures and **** berry wonder-ments.

                      Isnt that what the serps need? A 1000 renditions of spun tripe [ often referred to as quality unique content ] on hemorrhoids from 147 glorified spam repositories .... errrrr... I mean - "article directories"?

                      Kinda sick of the bountiful freakin hypocrites trolling on these boards - screaming from the mountain tops about "backlink spam" - blk hat this, and white hat that ... blah.

                      But hey - go right ahead - steal that dudes RSS feed, convert it to polish, german, russian and back to english - and now of course - its your content. And - just because ya can - strip out all his backlinks and inject yours. Bravo ... you are now a "REAL" marketer by the new WF standards.

                      Congrats to all ...
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                      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
                        Piscola,

                        Sorry if you felt I was directing that towards you or your post - I wasnt. Actually has nothing to do with you at all ... more about the new trends here on the forums by the "herd" ... to justify their SPAM by rebuking others' spam.

                        Its perfectly legit marketing in this forum now to spam article directories with your bulls#!t penis enlargement creams or **** berry wonder weight loss scam ... or CPA adverts and e-whoring tactics ... but god forbid you put a promotional link in your profile on somebodys SACRED forum.

                        Its fine to me if you feel backlinks spamming is off limits - but seriously dont try and tell me that pre-ejac pill, viagra knock off or enlargement sauce / exercise and weight loss juice - that just going to steal other dimwitted, desperate people's money is any less putrid of a marketing method.

                        There's several ways to get backlinks besides profiles or blog commenting, and article writing, but - alas, its now frowned upon to discuss them - so it looks like your relegated to "quality content"

                        Again this is nothing about you PISCOLA - its more about the new forum rule enforcement [ i dont mind that actually - its the piling on by so many ] and the "spam" police hypocrites running rampant at the moment.


                        Originally Posted by Piscola View Post

                        I thin been sacarstic is not the way to contribute here, friend i dont support any of what you say regarding to the method of article submitting, i you have read good, I only stated to paul, to give a suggestion of where we can get backlinks beside blog commeting and profile backlinks....

                        Honestly i dont do any of the market or niches you mentioned and i totally disagree with that sort of spam.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

                      But hey - go right ahead - steal that dudes RSS feed, convert it to polish, german, russian and back to english - and now of course - its your content. And - just because ya can - strip out all his backlinks and inject yours. Bravo ... you are now a "REAL" marketer by the new WF standards.

                      Congrats to all ...
                      We disagree on a lot of points but you have a seriously good point here. have to wonder if pages upon pages of this spun content garbage isn't worse for everyone's experience than a forum profile link that will never litter the streets of serps where people are looking for real content.

                      I can't recall when last I read a good ezinearticle. Thats not a post condoning breaking any forum's TOS its just a balanced look at the downside of article marketing. BOTH practices need fixing
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                      • Profile picture of the author Piscola
                        There we totally agree about that, i also feel that quality content is missing over the net, and spam form viagra **** berry, etc... has ti much domination, seriously i try to contribute with qaulity content even when i make blog commeting , i read the post and then comment about it.. but i really would love to know what other backlinks methods are there available..
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          You are never
          going to be an active member, so all those profiles will either
          never count, or get deleted before they do.
          Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

          You can argue against the ethics of the practice (each person's right), but that statement is just plain wrong.
          Most forums worth their weight will delete the inactive members,
          profiles, as well as threads that have seen no posts in a given
          amount of time. If you don't stay active on a forum that's worth
          it, all your stuff will be gone in time.

          If a forum does not do the above, then they are probably not
          worth putting anything on anyway.

          And the biggies, real biggies, put a lock on your account until
          you do make so many posts and stay a member for a certain
          amount of time.

          And the biggies are all the forums I need. 5 at the moment.

          Forums are for posting, interacting, building relationships, and
          learning.

          Get 5 high PR backlinks. That will trump 1,000 silly forum profiles.
          Unless you can join and stay active at 1,000 big, high traffic forums.

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          • Profile picture of the author culvers
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post


            Get 5 high PR backlinks. That will trump 1,000 silly forum profiles.
            Unless you can join and stay active at 1,000 big, high traffic forums.

            Paul
            You seem to be missing the point, you talk about getting 5 high pr links as though it is an option for everyone. Most websites simply are unable to attract legitimate high pr links. It is much easier for most webmasters to simply go out and get 1000 profile links. They may not be as good as 5 high pr links, but its a damn sight better than nothing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by culvers View Post

              You seem to be missing the point, you talk about getting 5 high pr links as though it is an option for everyone. Most websites simply are unable to attract legitimate high pr links. It is much easier for most webmasters to simply go out and get 1000 profile links. They may not be as good as 5 high pr links, but its a damn sight better than nothing.
              high page PR links grow on WF trees, didn't you know that? Of course, you can always buy your own high PR domains, but that isn't exactly an option for a lot of people around here. Plus, for those of with lots and lots of domains, we can only fit so many links on any given domain
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          • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Most forums worth their weight will delete the inactive members,
            profiles, as well as threads that have seen no posts in a given
            amount of time. If you don't stay active on a forum that's worth
            it, all your stuff will be gone in time.

            If a forum does not do the above, then they are probably not
            worth putting anything on anyway.

            And the biggies, real biggies, put a lock on your account until
            you do make so many posts and stay a member for a certain
            amount of time.

            And the biggies are all the forums I need. 5 at the moment.

            Forums are for posting, interacting, building relationships, and
            learning.

            Get 5 high PR backlinks. That will trump 1,000 silly forum profiles.
            Unless you can join and stay active at 1,000 big, high traffic forums.

            Paul

            Paul, are you actually basing this on something , or merely guessing? Because I can guarantee the experiences of most people on this thread speak otherwise..
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Most forums worth their weight will delete the inactive members,
            profiles, as well as threads that have seen no posts in a given
            amount of time            . If you don't stay active on a forum that's worth
            it, all your stuff will be gone in time.

            If a forum does not do the above, then they are probably not
            worth putting anything on anyway.
            I almost glossed over that. Why on earth would the forum owner delete older threads? That just doesn't make sense. Also, why delete out old members who are inactive? That doesn't benefit the forum, and lowers the member count number. That doesn't make sense either. I can assure we we're not clearing out older inactive members on our VB forum.

            One only has to look at Angela's backlinks to see the forum profiles that have been there a long, long time. I guess those forum owners weren't doing there civic duty to clean out members.

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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Most forums worth their weight will delete the inactive members,
            profiles, as well as threads that have seen no posts in a given
            amount of time. If you don't stay active on a forum that's worth
            it, all your stuff will be gone in time.

            If a forum does not do the above, then they are probably not
            worth putting anything on anyway.

            And the biggies, real biggies, put a lock on your account until
            you do make so many posts and stay a member for a certain
            amount of time.

            And the biggies are all the forums I need. 5 at the moment.

            Forums are for posting, interacting, building relationships, and
            learning.

            Get 5 high PR backlinks. That will trump 1,000 silly forum profiles.
            Unless you can join and stay active at 1,000 big, high traffic forums.

            Paul

            While there are certainly a LOT of PR5 sites out there on the "inter webs", finding those that will give you a link - like say to your penis pump article ... for example [ btw - a fully legitimized, and perhaps even revered marketing niche now on warrior -unlike those filthy scummy slimely backlinks products ] ... pretty hard to come by.

            The other methods extolled here are to go become a domainer and BUY your onw high PR domains.

            For all the hoopla over high pr backlinks - I often hear this - get 5 High PR backlinks - they are far better than your silly little putrid 1,000 [ insert derogotry term here ] backlinks.

            But yet - im not Im seeing much evidence that PR-"X" backlink is = 457 PR0 backlinks.

            I "believe" it may be true ... but Im just not "seeing" the evidence. Nobody seems to be too willing to produce it either. They talk about it alot tho'.

            There's an abundance of PR3-4 sites to perhaps try this with though ... but the funny thing is - what was used to get those to PR3-4 - most of the time? Ya, u guessed it - thousands of PR0 -1 backlinks - LOL.

            Quite a interesting issue.


            PS - Oh yeah - what I also meant to say before my Penis Pump Article Marketing wisecrack derailed my train of thought - was - ... this is a pretty bad ass forum filled with lots of deliscious google bot food ... and IT only manages to eek out a PR5 [ and that's recent too ]

            Put that into context when telling people to go get PR5 backlinks
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            • Profile picture of the author HCLee
              Profile links work because I've seen them work for me. Don't worry too much if you don't see them in whatever tools you have. Try to index them but don't fret if not all of them get indexed. I usually use a method to get them indexed but a few at a time, then moved on to the next few profile links for getting them indexed.
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              • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
                Originally Posted by HCLee View Post

                Profile links work because I've seen them work for me. Don't worry too much if you don't see them in whatever tools you have. Try to index them but don't fret if not all of them get indexed. I usually use a method to get them indexed but a few at a time, then moved on to the next few profile links for getting them indexed.
                You should always have some system in place to try and get them indexed initially but, as you said, some still won't get indexed. At that point it's often easier to create more profiles rather than trying to get the pre-existing ones indexed.
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            • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Get 5 high PR backlinks. That will trump 1,000 silly forum profiles.
              Unless you can join and stay active at 1,000 big, high traffic forums.

              Paul
              Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

              high page PR links grow on WF trees, didn't you know that? Of course, you can always buy your own high PR domains, but that isn't exactly an option for a lot of people around here. Plus, for those of with lots and lots of domains, we can only fit so many links on any given domain
              Hey Paul, Although I agree with you in theory, but I must agree with Tom as well!

              You see, here are the problem with high PR links, they are hard to come by as compared to low PR profile links.

              Like it or not, as forum owner you can disable public profile, it does no harm to your "real" subscriber but keep those "spammer" like us away.

              Having said that, we still can use profile link to rank for many keywords without the hassle to find them, and ask for a link... this makes profile links valuable for me!

              Here are some ways I can think of getting high PR links:

              1. Blog commenting - Page must be high PR, comment must be relevant, on topic and dofollow.

              2. Link exhange - You need to offer similar valuable links...

              3. Purchase Link - How much money do you have?

              4. You own link network - By far, this is the best and my favorite way, but building them is really a pain...

              Can you name others...?

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  • Profile picture of the author stefffff
    JackPowers is right, profile links can get you quite a good amount of traffic
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
      Last year profile links worked incredibly well, not any more at least for me.

      I could throw 50 profile links at a page last year and see it go in the top 3. This year i could throw a 1000 at a page and see very little movement. I have done all the boosting, publicly viewable profiles, dofollow etc. Don't give me any guff about competition strength or anything else either as I've tested all types. Profile links will still benefit but nowhere near what they used to.
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  • Profile picture of the author BillWilson
    When you all are talking about back links I'm wondering how many of you are posting yourself vs hiring a company to do it. Which way do you all feel is better. Is it even possible for a person posting themselves to compete
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    • Profile picture of the author thobbs31
      Bill,

      I post all of them myself. When I hit a page that appears to be related or that offers an open forum or personal blog, I post an article in addition to the profile links.

      -Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Aspiring Guru
    It's a combination of factors more than likely. As some people have said, not all backlinks you build will show up, but Google should still be indexing them. High PR backlinks do work better because they give your site better authority. As for profile links vs. content links, I mostly stick with content links. The majority of mine show up when I view them on SEO Quake. Good luck, whatever route you decide to take!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    finding those that will give you a link - like say to your penis pump article
    How'd you know my niche!

    There's an abundance of PR3-4 sites to perhaps try this with though ... but the funny thing is - what was used to get those to PR3-4 - most of the time? Ya, u guessed it - thousands of PR0 -1 backlinks - LOL.
    so, not exactly what you are saying but... one could buy 10 - 100 fresh domain plus something like say... backlinks goldmine and use it to boost those domains up to PR 3-4 range and by doing such be creating their own little PR backlink network to in turn boost up their real money sites?

    What a crazy idea

    Wait, nevermind... I'm already doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Filter
    Just a thought, but have you thought about checking the robots file to see if the profiles are even allowed to be crawled by the juicy search bots?

    I've never actually tried it or actually know if it stops the profiles being indexed, even if they're publicly viewable. But if a webmaster sets a no go in the robot file for forum profiles, even if they appear to be dofollow, then surely even pinging or socially bookmarking it would have little / no value once the bots get there. Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author oneims
    Can I ask a question? Sorry if it may sound stupid. Are these profile links are also the links in the signature in a forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
      Originally Posted by oneims View Post

      Can I ask a question? Sorry if it may sound stupid. Are these profile links are also the links in the signature in a forum?
      Yes. IE, View Profile: oneims
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  • Profile picture of the author hilaryy
    Hey,


    Shaun Lee is right that profile link works and you can't say that they don't work. so i think you have to use them also.you will definitely get advantage of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanvroman
    I've found Profile links to be worthless.

    The best bet is to actually post a few threads on a high PR forum. Those stick all the time. Spend an extra 20 minutes and write a couple responses or posts after you create your profile. Carefully use your link in your signature.

    However, I've found 2.0 profile creation to be WAY more effective, web 2.0 properties like Weebly, Squidoo, Webs, etc. You can make highly relevant backlinks very quickly on these sites.

    Right now my entire strategy is blog commenting (bots), link systems like 1waylinks, bookmarkwiz, and link builder pro. I consistently hit top 5 for almost everything I go after, including very highly competitive keywords.

    One way to build high quality, relevant links is to quickly build a ton of web 2.0 properties, just use spun content. Then build a ton of quick backlinks to those (blog commenting bots, bookmarking, 1waylinks, etc.) - thse web 2.0 links will give you a lot of boost as they are highly relevant with relevant backlinks.

    Depending on what you are promoting, I do "real" business sites as opposed to adsense/affiliate stuff. So I tend to do mini-site strategies and auto-blogs as well.

    These strategies work. And I completely stopped doing profile backlinks as they are time consuming, ineffective, and there are WAY faster ways to build quality links.

    You can always automate forum profile making too: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ly-easily.html

    I just would highly recommend against counting on it for much of anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Originally Posted by thobbs31 View Post

    That said, I'm starting to lean toward the "profile links are worthless" camp.
    They are worthless on all forums where I am an administrator. You can register, but there is not going to be a link on my forum until you have been a member for a while, and the post count reaches a set minimum. I did not build me site to be junked up with stuff like this, and I'm sure 99.9% of other forum owners feel the same way.
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