Google rank Stuck. REALLY stuck.

facebook and twitter to have any link power. it is just for the traffic.

and yes it happenes i`m also stuck in those places. you just have to continue build links everyday... it`s a hard job. i have almost 20 sites to take care of and some started to drop down...

Right, I know they don't, but they are powerful networks that Google likes to see, supposedly, plus both of them drive in human traffic. So we have a promotional FB group and a twitter page. I have only this one site I devote my time to. No others.

and all those people who push Hubpages for promotion really ought to know it's nofollow as well. I wrote my first and last hub tonight...

What is the keyword your targetting as looking at ur site i cant figure it out ?

Woc

Warrior Cats RPG

As in, my site's domain being warriorcatsrpg.com Proof that domain name does little if anything. ^_^ It is one of the busiest RPG forums on the net...or was...that may not be true for long unless I can get this turned around.

btw guys thanks for helping me out with this.

Hi there

Pretty simply it down to your content, as a lot of people do you have just overlooked how important it is.

For a start you dont have a very good introduction to your site, you should have a kick ass introduction, written properly and get your keyword in there right at the top of ur site

At the bottom you have a list of sites you seem to be linked to, this is very bad form, and probably why your domain is pr zeroed !

I could tell you what I think you need to do if you are prepared to listen, but you wont like it lol !

Woc

Tell me I've cross posted this to 2 other forums so I'm taking in opinions from many places

Those affiliate links down there are some of the highest PR links I have and also some of the most relevant. They'll drop me if I drop them.

I can write a "kickass intro" in the welcome box where it tells guests they should join. I could change that to whatever I need. Remember, this is a fan forum and it is a free service, its main aim is not to make money, though I would enjoy a little more revenue from Adsense on the side

Hi there

Well for starters your sites codes a mess with and its not a very appealing looking site at all
Result:583 Errors, 2 warning(s)
Thats probably the most errors ive ever seen in one page, and will cause you endless problems. So why youve got the validator icon at the bottom of your site ill never know.

The links at the bottom of the page aint doing you any good, has ur pr always been 0 ? im guessing it hasnt ?

Link exchanges are bad contary to what some people say and in some cases will be interpreted as you trying to manipulate your google pagerank.

Plus you have them on ever page, which is even worse lol.

Now this is the hard bit and its going to hurt lol.

1) You can either no follow the lot of those links, which will stop them from passing pr and will negate them, the problem with that is if the other sites find out they wont be happy lol

2) Or move them from your homepage having them on every page is just not going to work in the long term, select a few of the good ones and move them onto a links page.

Either way the links are holding you back, you probably think they are doing you some good, but they aint !

Ps i know what your going to say, other people do it blah blah and its worked in the past lol !

Woc

Okay, but how do I tweak the people who join us to search for another keyword? People who join our site, literally 9 times out of 10 searched "warrior cats rpg". Next common one is "warrior cats" and we're on the 2nd page for that one and get NO hits at all for that now. If I don't get back up on #1 for that keyword "warrior cats rpg" I may as well give up and close the site.

I posted to my forum software's help forum looking for help fixing the errors. Maybe they will be able to find them, because I cannot. I also asked if there is a designer who could replace my lousy design, logo and graphics with better ones.

We don't have time. The forum has died a huge amount in only a month.

Someone made me an offer from SEOofIndia that they could get me to the top spot. I don't know if I should accept.

You could always stop building spam links and go for some quality.

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I would LOVE to. Where do I go to do that? I need some direction.

Our old site had it outranked, though. That's what gets me. What do they have that we don't? Do they have a better look, better content? Because if I need those I will get them somehow if I can't produce them myself.

Basically, either we outrank them or we die.

I'm going to have a look at ezinearticles today. I got a bunch of directories I'm submitting to already.

Everyone tells me I have to get quality backlinks and that's what I've been running around for several hours every day trying to find, with no luck at all. Where do I go to find them? What do I do? I'm sorry to sound demanding but people telling me I have to do something is useless unless I know how to do it. I WANT to do it.

...Also lots of people telling me PR doesn't matter.

I am ready to go. I am ready to start. I am running in circles not knowing where to go to get these quality links. You want to know what happened when I actually signed up on the official Warriors site? They banned me for telling another member my link!

Are those sites high quality links? Ezinearticles seems to keep on coming up. It is a roleplaying game, so I write an article about that?

They are on wetpaint - that's what they have. If you look at the links to that page (yes, I know there is no program that shows all the links), there is not much going on so, it would seem that what they have is the authority of wetpaint itself.

It looks like they have been around for a while though so I wonder why they all of a sudden overtook you - were they always there lurking on page1?

They were #2 after us, our old site was deleted after we moved, without our say.

Wetpaint isn't specifically Warriors related. So if that is it, does that mean I could get a quality backlink on some really great authority site that is also unrelated to me?

i know i looked at their links back last year when I was working on keeping our old site boosted and noticed it was almost all unrelated small nothing backlinks. so i thought that's what i needed, too.

Well, the really baffeling thing is that it looks like you already have some nice quality backlinks and the other page does not appear to have any.

Of course, there could be links that I'm not seeing (I am using linkdiagnosis).

I was kind of thinking that it might be because they are actually on wetpaint - it's not that they have a link from it but this site is on that domain so I was wondering if that could be what caused them to get ahead of you?

Although you would think that since you have the exact match domain that would trump it.....

This illustrates the huge difference in traffic between #1 and #4 then.

Did the SEOofIndia people give you any kind of guarantee?

Your focusing on the wrong thing, backlinks backlinks backlinks !

Its not your backlinks that are the problem !

Its your site quality you can get all the backlinks u want, if your site quality isnt there your going no where !!

Woc

Yeah he did give me a guarantee.

However...if my site just plain sucks, what's a #1 spot going to do anyway for me?

I'm trying to think where we suck now that we didn't suck before. We have the same content as before. Same posts, members, and I update the table with a new announcement every couple days.

I posted up on SMF's help forum asking for some help sorting out the code errors but my programmers have sort of walked out on me. I can't afford to hire another one with the SEO issues being as bad as they are. I have to keep waiting on posts from SMF's help and that just takes days if it ever gets done at all.

As for it being ugly, I did my best, but I'm not a professional designer.

Are you using the same software to run the site that you did before?

When your old site was deleted, was it down for a long time?

Do a competition analysis - sort by page and domain PR and see where you can get links from.

I feel like I'm going to die, or go crazy.

Everybody is telling me different things! Someone told me that Twitter and Youtube and Facebook are all useless. After I told them what I have been doing up to now {see top post I listed all I am doing, I have my friends helping too on the site with youtube video contest we got like 20 out so far and making more and we announced the facebook group and deviant art groups, trying to get everyone there to join those}.

A Press Release? lol that wound be funny, are you serious? i mean, it is an RPG and the news is stuff like one character is planning on killing another character, etc. you know that stuff, the news sites would actually print that? haha. XD

Ok but what is controversial about it? we are rated PG remember, all ages, mostly teens on the site.

cashcow - Proboards didn't like it when we moved our site from their server to our new one and so they up and deleted the old one that had the #1 spot.

It has been gone for 3 weeks now.

We are using SMF now.

now someone told me my backlinks are dragging me down well i asked, if putting them in iframe would help, nobody said whether it would, would it?

Hi Groovystar,

Check out my website One Way Links | Link Exchange Rate Based On PR | Free Membership! to find quality, relevant one way links for your site! Before everybody jumps in and says that link exchanges are bad... please consider the following.

Monopolinks:
A. is patent pending... so you've NEVER seen a link exchange like this before.
B. enforces quality, relevant link partners both systematically and culturally.
C. is a one-way link exchange... not reciprocal. We don't do 3-4 ways either.
D. credits members for posting and debits them for getting posted based on a Page Rank Exchange Rate.
E. appears totally natural because of the 'non-linear' linking strategy.

I'll let you learn about the automated distribution and link publishing system at the monopolinks site.

I am interested in what the more experienced warriors think about the new linking paradigm at monopolinks! My goal is to create the perfect environment for finding relevant partners. My long term business plan includes even more high quality webmaster services all provided without charge.

Best of Luck!

I was just wondering if the fact that your site was down for a while made you slip from #1 and that it is only temporary. Perhaps you are banging your head against the wall for nothing... Of course, there's no way to tell for sure - SEO is so frustrating!

Did you have the same backlinks when you were #1?

Thanks...but I already said, I'm bursting at the seams with over 50 links on my site that are reciprocal. If one of those drops us or gets dropped for whatever reason I'll see if I can put yours in. But thanks for letting me know.

Okay...back to the discussion about my site full of fail XD I DO feel I am getting somewhere with your help guys so I want to continue on and see what I can do to turn this disaster around.

The site was not "down for a while" maybe I wasn't clear. We were a Proboards subdomain that wanted our own freedom of our own site so we moved. The old site was intended to remain up to refer people to the new site, but Proboards deleted it.

...Yes, we did actually we had even more of those link exchanges than we do now.

And I guess there's no weight to the claim that domains are better than subdomains, therefore?

Oh, I see. I thought you meant the site was down like as in nothing there for a while.

Still a bit confused though because I don't really know what a proboards subdomain is. But in your sig it looks like you have your own top level domain, right? Did that top level domain rank at #1 or was it some other domain. Sorry if I am sounding dense.

If you already had those link exchanges when you were #1 it seems unlikely that they would be harming you now - IMHO.

You didnt mention.any article marketing which is an absolute MUST! Also use social bookmarking sites to give your site some power!

Zaheer

I tried hubpages and they're nofollow. It was rather discouraging to write a huge giant article that then turned out to be pretty much useless. And there's the subject material. I could write about roleplaying Warriors, etc. something pertinent to the game or republish the guides and articles we already have on our site, but if it's nofollow, isn't it useless for solving our problem?

Cashcow--A subdomain on proboards is any Proboards forum. We didn't have this domain when we were there. We had warriorcatsarpg.proboards.com

Oh. Then you must have just redirected your domain to the warriorcatsarpg.proboards.com site, right? So, really the only difference is your on-page stuff.

Hubpage links inside your text area appear to be dofollow. Looks like comments are nofollow. (I just discovered you need to have a hubscore over 75 to your links to be dofollow).

I saw that they're all nofollow according to my Firefox plugin. How do you get a score over 75?

Do I get the score first then have to resubmit my entire article?

And is any of this so far, that I am doing, quality links?

Edit: Been submitting to several directories today. That seems white hat to me!

I think you dismissed the press release idea a little prematurely. What Palo said was good advice. You have a decent site ranking in the top 5 in the GAMING RPG niche. You could put out all sorts of press releases that will help you attract new visitors and create backlinks. Honestly, if you don't want to do the written work, outsource it. Articles and press releases ROCK!

PM me - I'll write you one for free. I'll interview you as site owner and we'll put out an interesting PR to the gaming fraternity.

Oh no, i'd be more than willing to do the written work myself. I've got the time. I just didn't get how it would really go with the news releases...I'm entirely unfamiliar with it. It seemed strange to me and I figured there was something I wasn't getting. I apologise if that was unclear.

That's it--I have time and lots of it in terms of day by day. What I don't have is a clear idea of where to go or what to do so that's why I opened this thread. Thank you for any offer to help, if you also have a gaming site maybe we could work together with that!

Seems like it would just be a matter of time then until Google recognizes all the backlinks and does whatever it does to float you to the top.

They automatically get made to dofollow when you get the score of 75. Here's some info on hubscore:

How Hubscore Works

Not sure though if it would be worth your while to spend time on that as it doesn't seem to be a factor here since you never had a dofollow from them in the first place.

Thanks for the link. It has the potential to go dofollow definitely, but I'm not going to break my back over it. Like you said, I never had a link from there before.

My best links have all been redirected. We just have a lot of others mostly low quality that accumulated over time that didn't get a redirect. But I'm creating many new ones, including my posts here. as for waiting to "float" it seems strange that it would suddenly halt like that and go nowhere despite all that I'm doing.

If I got one really really good high PR link, would that instigate a sudden jump?