Did Your SERPs Take A Nose Dive?

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Hi Warriors

I just noticed all the sites that I created in the past 6 months that were ranking in the search engines took a massive nose dive in terms of rankings.

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a massive reduction in their rankings of late?

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    • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
      Originally Posted by waqas View Post

      No, I'm not talking about that video, but thank you for your response.

      The keywords affected are not long term keywords and plus the May day update that was mentioned in the video was referring to an issue in MAY. It's June now.

      Anyone else want to share their responses?

      I have found that my older sites, the ones that have been for a year or longer haven't been affected.

      Hmmmm...?
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    Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I just noticed all the sites that I created in the past 6 months that were ranking in the search engines took a massive nose dive in terms of rankings.

    I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a massive reduction in their rankings of late?

    Thanks
    Same thing happened to me yesterday, maybe some kind of Google dance, hopefully.
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    I never really noticed a change in where my site is/was. Still the same place, pretty much, where it was in early April when it launched. Maybe because I don't do long tail keywords? How many words long is considered 'long tail'? I know 'long tail' the term itself doesn't mean actual physical length of the keyword but a more specific search, still those tend to have more words in them right?

    Sorry for sounding kind of n00bish.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Gregory
      Originally Posted by Groovystar View Post

      I never really noticed a change in where my site is/was. Still the same place, pretty much, where it was in early April when it launched. Maybe because I don't do long tail keywords? How many words long is considered 'long tail'? I know 'long tail' the term itself doesn't mean actual physical length of the keyword but a more specific search, still those tend to have more words in them right?

      Sorry for sounding kind of n00bish.
      Usually 3 or 4 word is considered long tail, but it obviously doesn't stop there.

      Nikon D50 6.1MP Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm

      would be another example, doesn't get as much traffic as 'nikon cameras' or 'nikon digital cameras' obviously, but it is more targeted and usually easier to rank for. If you had a bunch of those tackled you'd be looking pretty good.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    The last 48 hours have been absolutely abysmal. I'm experiencing absolutely huge drops for my 'XFactor' type sites. non of these sites use the XFactor template, are all individually designed with their own WP themes, all unique content. All whitehat. This is VERY VERY worrying indeed!
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    So it's not only me that's experiencing these kind of weird results.

    My sites are not XFactor sites and it's happening across all the sites that I have created in the last 6 months or so.

    My sites are up to 50 pages per site and all of them are experiencing this weird SERP drop.

    Anyone else care to share?
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    • Profile picture of the author FrenchieATX
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      So it's not only me that's experiencing these kind of weird results.
      No, I've been working a site pretty hard for three months and have consistently been at 11-13 for 5 weeks, now I've dropped to the 16-18 range. Moderate competition, still working to get into the top 10, and i have been building backlinks (though i could be more consistent). This is irritating.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    When I say XFactor, I mean AdSense based sites using his methodology and tips. In no way are they using his templates etc.

    I've spent the last few hours doing some research and I think it may be the effects of the 'MayDay' Google Update. This seems to have really affected 'long tail keywords'. Ive just run SEO Elite and Im experiencing some SHOCKING drops. One of my main sites that makes me ok money has dropped off the 1st page and into position 281. ouch! The same with some other sites, from like position 40 down to 700+, not nice I know.

    However, Ive noticed some sites haven't moved at all. Quick question, the sites that have moved, have you made any updates in terms of content to them in the last few days?
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    I havent experience anything weird. any key aspects of yoru site you wanna share? that you may think is causing it
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    From what I've read it seems to be the Mayday algo, however most of what Ive experienced has only taken place in the last 48 hours.

    The only other thing I can think of is that I added a page of content to each of the sites which I think may potentially have caused a dance (wishful thinking), the only other thing is that I've noticed another site which I haven't touch completely drop as well.

    IN all my years of doing SEO, never seen anything liek this. Not across the board like this.

    All my sites are abive board, nothing dodgy, most of the inks come from Articl directories like EZA, GoArticles, maybe a few profile links but not too many!

    Maybe Google is discounting these type of links and giving back authority to the big players???? I can't back up any of this but just a some food for thought!

    Will keep analysing, monitoring and report back if I notice anything which may attribute to this!
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    • Profile picture of the author FTCNick
      I have a few landing pages and was doing pretty well with ppc. My landing pages had no title, desc, or keywords because they were purely for ppc traffic.

      Recently I missed a payment and did not fund any advertising, and realized my traffic that was converting wasn't ppc at all, and coming purely from the SE's.

      I didn't even know my pages were picked up by the SE's!

      Naturally, I targeted the keywords and search phrases I was receiving traffic from, and now I'm making more than I was with ppc for nothing. lol

      I think it all has to do with this google mayday. Some drop down, and some benefit. I lucked out with it I guess.

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I wonder if any of your sites looks like those i.e large database driven sites.

    Long tail keywords were particularly affected.

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    Can anybody tell me when did the Mayday update took place?

    My affiliate commissions were down, but they were mainly from skiing equipment sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author livemusic
    Without a doubt, in the past 24 hours, my main site dropped significantly. Other, newer ones, are okay. Very narrow niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Check out: www.yourmarriageangel.com

    That site hasn't been updated in terms of content on page in a while, but it has been getting backlinks constantly over a long time.

    It was previously ranked on page 1 for a lot of terms in the related niche, but now they are in the hundreds.

    There is no adsense on the site either.

    As you can see it's not a thin affiliate site and I don't know what has happened.
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    • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      Check out: www.yourmarriageangel.com

      That site hasn't been updated in terms of content on page in a while, but it has been getting backlinks constantly over a long time.

      It was previously ranked on page 1 for a lot of terms in the related niche, but now they are in the hundreds.

      There is no adsense on the site either.

      As you can see it's not a thin affiliate site and I don't know what has happened.
      Can I make a guess and say your keyword is cheating spouse lol !

      As you mention it so many times !

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      • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
        Originally Posted by usearchme2 View Post

        Can I make a guess and say your keyword is cheating spouse lol !

        As you mention it so many times !

        Woc
        It appears 17 times and the article length is 1557.

        That's less than 2%.

        So it's not even close to being keyword spamming.
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        • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
          Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

          It appears 17 times and the article length is 1557.

          That's less than 2%.

          So it's not even close to being keyword spamming.
          Hmm pretty sure its on the site more than that.

          And Im only counting the instances where the 2 words are at teh side of each other.

          Its like reading a telephone directory reading that page.

          Woc
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          • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
            Originally Posted by usearchme2 View Post

            Hmm pretty sure its on the site more than that.

            And Im only counting the instances where the 2 words are at teh side of each other.

            Its like reading a telephone directory reading that page.

            Woc

            Count it again because I did.

            It appears 17 times in a 1557 word article.
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        • Profile picture of the author WareTime
          Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

          It appears 17 times and the article length is 1557.

          That's less than 2%.

          So it's not even close to being keyword spamming.
          Count your nav links too. Keyword keyword keyword

          Basically you have a thin affiliate site, plus a little adsense going on there. This is a site that no one would build on their own if they couldn't offer affiliate products or have adsense on it.

          Not saying this is what tanked you, but if I ever manually reviewed your site, I'd flush it.

          Sounds like google may have found a way to do some cleanup on the emd thin sites that so many make today. Oh well, another SEO chapter comes to a close.

          I'm telling you, pretty soon, we'll have to create real content for real users.
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          • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
            I'm telling you, pretty soon, we'll have to create real content for real users.
            lol yeah wouldnt that be a novelty !

            and as he said, count the navlinks and the rest of the times you mention the keywords, in fact just try to read the text, it sounds redculous.

            I dont think Google found a way to clean it up, just eventually you get flagged, especially if your close to the top of Google on some keywords.

            There are countless times ive seen people who have got to the top of google, with poor quality sites and have been doing well for so long, then one day, bang they are falling like a stone.

            And until people resolve their issues with their site, they will stay there.

            But what webmasters usually want you to do is say is ur sites brillient and Google is broken, obviously sites dont start to fall down google for no reason, people often say backlinks this backlinks that, but a lot of the times its down to simple content.

            Woc
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          • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
            Originally Posted by WareTime View Post

            Basically you have a thin affiliate site, plus a little adsense going on there. This is a site that no one would build on their own if they couldn't offer affiliate products or have adsense on it.
            I would agree with WareTime on this. MFA stands for "Made for advertisment" rather than just "Made for Adsense". Google will downgrade them all the same if found out. If there is no Adsense on them, it may make it harder for Google to find it. Your site does have an MFA appearance. For a start, you have more than 50 page links on the left sidebar and this does not create a good user experience. Again, I am not sure whether it was the problem or not.

            It seems that my own sites have been affected worse this day than the MayDay update. It seems that is a continuation of the MayDay updage with long tail keywords being particularly affected.

            I have been following Google for more than 10 years, right from my hobbyist days. I think this is by the far the most dramatic and important change that Google has ever made. It is small webmasters who have suffered most as many depend on long tail keywords.

            I think we need to summarize what we know about this update.

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          • Profile picture of the author commercee
            Originally Posted by WareTime View Post

            I'm telling you, pretty soon, we'll have to create real content for real users.
            Isn't the entire collection of content on the BIG WWW nothing but a bunch of Regurgitation. Just trying to get your PUKE in front of others. ME ME ME ME ME....

            Offtopic...

            But I've seen some drops too on specific keywords, while moving up on other keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author nplatt
    I've noticed some changes too. Some bad, some good.

    I don't know what your sites are like but I happened to read this post a few days ago and thought of it when I read this thread. It talks about Google going after small AdSense sites. I don't know if it applies to any of your sites but it could provide some insight into whatever G's up to. If they're going after AdSense mini-sites, they're probably going after some other things too.

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    • Profile picture of the author bitriot
      The one site I have going right now (trying to get a successful SEO plan in place before expanding), dropped from #37 to #68. Not sure if it is a mayday issue or something else but I thought I would share.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerreye
    Hey jacksonlin,

    Yes, about 90% of my sites took a complete nose dive today.

    The funny thing is that most of them didn't just lose a few positions or even a couple of whole pages. No, I mean they completely vanished into thin air!

    All of them are still being indexed somewhere as I tested them with a "site:" search, so none of them have been de-listed or banned.

    I am hoping this is just a typical temporary fluctuation. However, fluctuation usually happens one site at a time, not 90% of them on the very same day...

    Needless to say, my fingernails are startin' to disappear!!
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    • Profile picture of the author ajitv
      Hey guys,
      I was just looking some of the keywords I am targeting. What I can instantly see is that the HubPages, Ezinearticles, Squidoo etc. are still very much intact.

      And I cant say this for sure, but it seems that there is more of these Web 2.0 type sites now in the SERPS! So, has this update been kind or neutral to article marketers who try to rank with these articles? Anybody?
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      • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
        My sites are NOT MFA.

        Most of them don't even have adsense on it.

        So I don't think it's just targeting small sites that are MFA.

        The one I showed you doesn't have adsense on it and it has like 40 to 50 pages from what I remember, it's all high quailty unique content.
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    • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
      Originally Posted by jerreye View Post

      Hey jacksonlin,

      Yes, about 90% of my sites took a complete nose dive today.

      The funny thing is that most of them didn't just lose a few positions or even a couple of whole pages. No, I mean they completely vanished into thin air!

      All of them are still being indexed somewhere as I tested them with a "site:" search, so none of them have been de-listed or banned.

      I am hoping this is just a typical temporary fluctuation. However, fluctuation usually happens one site at a time, not 90% of them on the very same day...

      Needless to say, my fingernails are startin' to disappear!!
      I wonder what's going on, my sites are in the 100's now.

      I have 2 sites that haven't had this issue, but most of my sites have this issue and they are not MFA sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author jerreye
        Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

        I wonder what's going on, my sites are in the 100's now.

        I have 2 sites that haven't had this issue, but most of my sites have this issue and they are not MFA sites.
        Most of my sites do have a single Adsense block on them. However, all of the content is 100% unique and of high quality.

        Even sites that have no Adsense have been deranked just the same so I don't think AdSense has very much if anything to do with this.

        Besides, I don't think Google would de-rank sites just because they have Adsense on them, especially since the Google content network is a HUGE portion of their revenue stream.

        I understand removing poor quality MFA sites (Adsense driven sites with little to no unique content) as they have almost no value.

        Like you, I also have a couple sites that have remained in the top ten. I'm looking forward to see what happens in the next couple weeks...
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  • Profile picture of the author sebas
    Same thing happened to me in the last 24 hours only 2 of about 30 of my websites are still at the same place.

    Most of those sites have really good content and don't have any AdSense on them. This doesn't look like MayDay because it happened yesterday for me.

    It would be nice if somebody had a clue about what's going on and if this is generalized and permanent or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author BestwaY
    me too i lost all my traffic, is this temporary situation or permenant ?

    my visitors dropped from 25K to just lower than 3K Per Day
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    Yes it looks like perhaps a large Google update is underway. Give it a few days before you panic.
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    It's the Caffeine. Pay special attention to the speed. I've said this previously.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    My sites are basic HTML and there are hardly any graphics. The loading time speed is a non issue.

    Also, my other sites that take a longer time to rank are fine.

    I don't think site speed is much of an issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hardi Wijaya
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      My sites are basic HTML and there are hardly any graphics. The loading time speed is a non issue.

      Also, my other sites that take a longer time to rank are fine.

      I don't think site speed is much of an issue.
      One of my experimental sites goes up in ranking. The no. 1 site is out. This site is having traffic jam all the time and thus, it suffers, I think.

      I think it's just not about the loading speed. Host speed and downtime are also possible causes.

      Another interesting thing is that sites with keywords in the domain name go up.


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      • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
        Originally Posted by Hardi Wijaya View Post

        One of my experimental sites goes up in ranking. The no. 1 site is out. This site is having traffic jam all the time and thus, it suffers, I think.

        I think it's just not about the loading speed. Host speed and downtime are also possible causes.

        Another interesting thing is that sites with keywords in the domain name go up.


        Hardi
        They are on the same hosts.

        The sites that are affected and not affected to me depends on the age of the site, because the ones that were not affected that much were my older sites.


        Also, I noticed that my exact match domain sites were hit the hardest.

        They are indexed, but not appearing anywhere close to the top of the SERPs where some of them used to be.
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        • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
          Just wanted to post that all my MFA sites took a dive as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeey
    This has happened to me too in the last week or so. I hope its just the dance because of the backlinks i have been doing. Not massive amounts of backlinks. Site was page 2 then to page 10 then to 3, 55, and so it goes, and it still is ? could be fun for the week ahead for us all to try and see what is going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    I've been reading up a lot since last night on this topic and even posted to another thread....in fact I haven't slept all night because this has the potential to really screw me.

    Anyway, it looks like we've been affected by the 'Mayday' Google update! From watching Matt Cutt's video, it looks like its here to stay. It basically affects long-tail keywords.

    I've just ran another ranking check and my rankings are still the same. I've noticed that the majoroty of sites in the top 10 are now known brands with PR etc. I'm not sure how much one shoudl read into this but it seems like all the pages I've seen have 'contact' information.

    Maybe Google is penalising sites with no contact details or somethign along those lines....sorry just clutching at straws and really need a way to get this resolevd!
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    • Profile picture of the author nettech
      Originally Posted by Philly View Post

      I don't believe that is the case because every single site I have has a contact-privacy-tos page..one thing I do think is that the exact domain name match boost is gone forever
      Ok so we can rule that out then!

      I agree on the exact domain match, maybe G have caught on. Id still like to give it another few days. Ive experiencex this for years however not as bad as this hence why I'm quite nervous!

      Lets hope the cache thing is true and they havent just devalued a bunch of linms from various sources like forum profiles, article directories and/or web 2.0 properties!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I just noticed all the sites that I created in the past 6 months that were ranking in the search engines took a massive nose dive in terms of rankings.

    I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a massive reduction in their rankings of late?

    Thanks
    It's just an update. They do it to their entire cache which is why some of us are having the same experience.

    All it is, is a mini google dance which happens periodically depending on...well who knows.

    It's all good though we'll be fine I've seen it happen before.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    After following Google for more than 10 years, I have become very cynical about Google's intentions.

    Basically, as small webmasters, you are suppose to buy traffic from Google using Adwords rather than to receive free traffic through the SERPS.

    One reason why big players are doing particularly well this time is that they buy high quality links to their inner pages that are optimized for long tail keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinetreason
    Keeping up with the changes is all you can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    Yeah I have noticed a drop in my sites as well. I will be reading up on this forum to see if anyone can figure out the Mayday change.
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    • Profile picture of the author sebas
      I think it's right on the money to say that exact domain match are affected, because almost all my sites where leveraging this technique. Now the're all gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerreye
    If this is not a temporary "Google dance" of some sort, this could be catastrophic for so many little guys like myself.

    Anyone need their house cleaned? (oh gag!)
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  • Profile picture of the author jerreye
    Originally Posted by sebas View Post

    I think it's right on the money to say that exact domain match are affected, because almost all my sites where leveraging this technique. Now the're all gone.

    Man, I hope not! I thought that Caffeine was giving extra weight to exact-match domain names?

    Check this article:
    hxxp://wwwDOTwmtipsDOTcom/seo/google-caffeine-what-you-need-know.htm
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    • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
      If you have bad content that's translated crap... Just change it to real, value providing articles... Just a few per site if it's a mini site. We haven't really seen anything except increases in our rankings.

      Some sites that had Caffeinated content but a slight drop in long tail traffic, but nothing serious.

      We've never experimented with over 4 word domains... So I can't speak for that...

      Stop freaking out about this, just get back to building!
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  • Profile picture of the author lexilexi
    Yeah, I've seen some surprising drops too. But only on recently constructed pages on fairly new domains. I'm not keyword stuffing, I'm not doing BH. My older stuff is still good. I'm wondering if Google is shifting weight more towards domain authority and big sites.

    I'm also wondering if Google is shifting weight away from "comments" links. The new pages had links that mostly came from (good, unique) comments I had left on related sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    There is something else as well. Since May, Google had introduced a new left hand column with its search results. It is reducing traffic to everybody since it is diverting the surfer's attention from the main search results.

    I am a bit surprised to see that most people still think that it is getting easier and easier to make money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author NetWorth
    I'm glad that I'm not alone I saw a huge drop in my sites. Granted that many of them are smaller, newer sites with 1 adsense block but they also contain unique content, plenty of non affiliate outlinks and I don't think they are grossly ugly.
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    • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
      LOL how many times do you have to mention sony digital picture frame !

      Your page is full of ur keywords i feel like a parrot reading it.

      Woc
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by NetWorth View Post

      I'm glad that I'm not alone I saw a huge drop in my sites. Granted that many of them are smaller, newer sites with 1 adsense block but they also contain unique content, plenty of non affiliate outlinks and I don't think they are grossly ugly.
      Sony Digital Photo Frame
      But I'm sure you guys can tell me.
      Take off the sony digital photo frame above the ad block. That is asking to get in trouble. It's leading the visitor to believe those ads are actually links to other pages on your site if you ask me. There is no reason to have that big bold text right above the ad. Besides that the site doesn't look too bad. I would definitely add some more content though.
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    • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
      Originally Posted by NetWorth View Post

      I'm glad that I'm not alone I saw a huge drop in my sites. Granted that many of them are smaller, newer sites with 1 adsense block but they also contain unique content, plenty of non affiliate outlinks and I don't think they are grossly ugly.
      Sony Digital Photo Frame
      But I'm sure you guys can tell me.
      Perhaps you can write an e-book in a few months on "How To Get Sued By Big Corporations". You might be able to get some Clickbank affiliates to help you sell this e-book so you can make your money back after being sued.
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      • Profile picture of the author NetWorth
        Why would Sony want to sue me for promoting their product? I don't say anything derogatory about Sony or the product and I'm not pretending to be or represent Sony? Is there some rule of thumb to follow when it comes to this matter?

        Thanks in Advance,
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        • Profile picture of the author WareTime
          Originally Posted by NetWorth View Post

          Why would Sony want to sue me for promoting their product? I don't say anything derogatory about Sony or the product and I'm not pretending to be or represent Sony? Is there some rule of thumb to follow when it comes to this matter?

          Thanks in Advance,
          1. Sony doesn't need you.
          2. By having their name in your url you are "living off" their goodwill and representing them so to speak with your thin affiliate site. So mom and pop come along looking for something, run into your site and thinks wow, what an amatuerish spammy site sony has to try to sell their products to me.
          3. Copyright, Trademark issues intertwined with number 2.

          Sites like yours and the op's are going to have a tough time in Google unless you figure out the way around the new algo, which as stated appears to weigh more on site age and long tail phrase domains or emd's perhaps and when on the same site together maybe amplify.

          Looks like the famous redbottomshoes.net might have gotten caught in the net as well.

          It really isn't too hard to look at what sites are dropping and come up with with an approximation of the penalty

          BTW, just noticed your about page. Sure quality sign right here

          " About

          This is an example of a WordPress page, you could edit this to put information about yourself or your site so readers know where you are coming from. You can create as many pages like this one or sub-pages as you like and manage all of your content inside of WordPress.


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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

        Perhaps you can write an e-book in a few months on "How To Get Sued By Big Corporations". You might be able to get some Clickbank affiliates to help you sell this e-book so you can make your money back after being sued.
        Except in very rare cases (Dinsey comes to mind), a company is not going to just sue a joe schmoe who has some site that may be infringing their mark (i'm not talking about slander and stuff like that). in 99.999+% of cases you'll get one of those cute little take down emails/letters from the company first.

        Of course, even if you do happen to own a domain with someone else's trademark in it, there are exceptions there as well.

        Tom
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        • Profile picture of the author WareTime
          Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

          Except in very rare cases (Dinsey comes to mind), a company is not going to just sue a joe schmoe who has some site that may be infringing their mark (i'm not talking about slander and stuff like that). in 99.999+% of cases you'll get one of those cute little take down emails/letters from the company first.

          Of course, even if you do happen to own a domain with someone else's trademark in it, there are exceptions there as well.

          Tom

          Just had to comment on your sig Tom. Given Al's recent changes, perhaps a dating forum would be better than a backlinks forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Just some friendly advice from someone who has some experience in this area. I would remove the url and consider dropping the site altogether if I were you.

    sony corporation sue indonesian IT website sony-ak.com because the name similarity | daydaily

    There are a number of companies that you should not mess around with.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    @usearchme2

    @derekwong28

    Thanks for your opinions, but I have to disagree with what you have to say.

    I have other sites made in exact ways with bigger menus on the right and that have no problems whatsoever.

    But I'm not going to spend time arguing about.

    I just wanted to confirm that there has been changes in Google and it's not just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Can we please stay on topic of the thread?

    I think the pattern I am getting is this:

    The sites that are affected are NEWER.

    My older sites have not experienced a SERPs drop.

    Any other similarities we can come up with?
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    • Profile picture of the author NetWorth
      Sorry about the diversion.

      And yes across the board it seems to be newer sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author BestwaY
    no my site 3 years old and traffic dropped very strongly
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    I concur with Jackson, a lot of my older sites were 'ok'.

    About 99% of my newer sites dropped like flies, these were sites from SEptember 2009 onwards. All sites were whitehat, micro niche ranging from 1 page to 20 pages of unique quality content.

    1 site in particular did stand out though. Its abotu 2 months old and I have 7 pages of content.

    In all my sites I have 500 word articles, use a WP CMS with my own custom designed themes. In this case what I did was for the main homepage article (my main keyword) i had a 1,000 word article written which naturally linked to the other pages in the site. What was syrprising is that this term sits at 12-13 position...after the update, it didn't move. Still sittign at position 13 and actually made me a few clicks. All the internal pages also went up.

    I def think there is something to do with natural internal linking that needs to be looked at.

    I've also noticed that my Hubpages didn;t move either. I may start to write some content and get some backlinks to my sites.

    Just some food for thought!

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  • Profile picture of the author fortony
    It both hurt and helped me but mostly hurt. It seems to have favored the bigger sites that had been around longer. I suppose they had more of the right kinds of links.

    Funny thing is one site that went way up was the one site that used a company name that is rather thin. I did not do much for it because I started hearing of problems like those mentioned above about using company names in the urls soon after I built it.

    Overall though, this seems like it will hurt the smaller and less established sites. Think I will be concentrating on fewer and bigger sites with more emphasis on good linking from now on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      I updated the rankings for all of my sites once weekly (on the weekend) using Rank Tracker.

      I have ~50 xfactor type sites (using clickbump's template). They range in pages from 5 to 20 of content). The sites range between 1 and 8 months old. Each site is backlinked, even if the pages would have been on page 1 of google with zero links (and some were).

      Each domain is an Exact match (keyword) domain, either for a branded product (e.g., jimslawnmowerparts.com), or a type of specific product (e.g., redlunchboxes.org). Each site is either a .com, .net or .org.

      None of the pages on these sites lost more than 2 spots in Google, and more pages went up in rankings then down this week.

      Tom
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        I updated the rankings for all of my sites once weekly (on the weekend) using Rank Tracker.

        I have ~50 xfactor type sites (using clickbump's template). They range in pages from 5 to 20 of content). The sites range between 1 and 8 months old. Each site is backlinked, even if the pages would have been on page 1 of google with zero links (and some were).

        Each domain is an Exact match (keyword) domain, either for a branded product (e.g., jimslawnmowerparts.com), or a type of specific product (e.g., redlunchboxes.org). Each site is either a .com, .net or .org.

        None of the pages on these sites lost more than 2 spots in Google, and more pages went up in rankings then down this week.

        Tom
        What about traffic? Did you lose a huge chunk of traffic the past 2 days?
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        • Profile picture of the author searchnology
          I saw a dive for some keywords and a lift in others. Here's an excerpt from the article on redyflymarketing's site. It seems to corroborate what everyone is saying...


          "In every example of sites that I have seen "lose their rankings" those pages were overtaken by pages on domains with not much authority, but with a lot more backlinks to those individual pages. A lot of those links may be spammy, but they're still backlinks."
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

          What about traffic? Did you lose a huge chunk of traffic the past 2 days?
          Traffic to my microniche sites has remained the same. Of course, with my backlinking endeavors I am moving onto more profitable ways to make money these days so i'm not likely to be building any more sites in the near future.
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    • Profile picture of the author paul66
      Originally Posted by fortony View Post

      It both hurt and helped me but mostly hurt. It seems to have favored the bigger sites that had been around longer. I suppose they had more of the right kinds of links.

      <b>Funny thing is one site that went way up was the one site that used a company name that is rather thin. I did not do much for it because I started hearing of problems like those mentioned above about using company names in the urls soon after I built it. </b>

      Overall though, this seems like it will hurt the smaller and less established sites. Think I will be concentrating on fewer and bigger sites with more emphasis on good linking from now on.
      Same here I have a branded name in my url, and soon after I built it I realized that maybe it was not a great idea, so I left it. it was sitting at 12 position a few days ago and now it is up to 7th for the main keyword
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  • Profile picture of the author veronica178
    I guess this is the Caffeine thingy taking in effect.
    I decided to de-optimize my sites for a week and see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I have backlinks to ALL my pages, including the inner pages and I do linking indepth. So the blurb from Redfly marketing doesn't hold for me.

    I noticed this has the most profound effect on my sites that have domain names that are keyword related.

    At least we have come to a consensus something is happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I have noticed something very interesting.

    On the whole most of my bigger sites (40 plus pages) have lost their SERPs, but the ALL the pages are now ranking for something in the top 1000.

    So on average the first page results are gone, but at least I'm in the top 1000 for EVERY PAGE and the keyword it is targeted for - this wasn't the case before.

    This is very strange indeed.

    Anyone else getting something like this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rhythms
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      I have noticed something very interesting.

      On the whole most of my bigger sites (40 plus pages) have lost their SERPs, but the ALL the pages are now ranking for something in the top 1000.

      So on average the first page results are gone, but at least I'm in the top 1000 for EVERY PAGE and the keyword it is targeted for - this wasn't the case before.

      This is very strange indeed.

      Anyone else getting something like this?
      I have noticed the same thing. I use Market Samurai and where before, I had a page or two of results, now I have 5 or 6 times as many. Yes, it seems like every keyword I'm looking for (and many others) are ranking now.

      All of my sites have original content, with most pages being over 1,500 words long.

      I have noticed no drop in my rankings at all.

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      • Profile picture of the author PDLaughlin
        Has anybody noticed a difference between regular HTML sites and WP? Or are they all getting "penalized" just the same?

        Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
          Originally Posted by PDLaughlin View Post

          Has anybody noticed a difference between regular HTML sites and WP? Or are they all getting "penalized" just the same?

          Thanks!
          Drew
          My sites are made by XSP.

          So I think it applies to ALL sites.
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            Yes my sites are XSP too
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Originally Posted by Rhythms View Post

        I have noticed the same thing. I use Market Samurai and where before, I had a page or two of results, now I have 5 or 6 times as many. Yes, it seems like every keyword I'm looking for (and many others) are ranking now.

        All of my sites have original content, with most pages being over 1,500 words long.

        I have noticed no drop in my rankings at all.

        Rob...
        I have noticed the same thing as Jacksonlin and Rhythym.
        Many more pages now showing indexed in Market Samurai in the 400 - 700 SERPS positions. My main domain (index page) has been fluctuating between positions top ten (6-8) and around 400 for months now, but I get the feeling it will settle quite high sometime soon. This is a domain aged only since September last year with around 150 Google Indexed Content showing. I had put the fluctuation down to newness and backlinking efforts. It has never been stable at all, but picks up OK traffic from longtails (200 uniques a day) regardless of where I was ranking in the SERPS and this does not seem to have changed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Olson
    Yes my Pages and sites do that as well I went from the #3 spot yesterday to #43 today and an article posting went from 7 to 52 sucks but what are you gonna do? "I don't know"except to hang in there and make the posting better.
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  • Profile picture of the author ButterflyGarden
    It seems that the Google search results are experiencing a significant shake up. I'm personally giving it a few days before I begin to panic.
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    • Profile picture of the author maty
      I've got around 15 small sites all exact match domain, the majority have all dropped significantly around June 3rd/4th although some have been bouncing to the bottom of the results back up to the top and then back down again.

      Funny thing is one or two of them are sitting tight, the only difference with most of the sites which are dropping is I added 1 or 2 pages of content to them about a week and a half ago.

      I was going to buy up another load of domains today but I think I'll hang on and see how things shake out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    I wouldnt worry give it a couple months, seo is a tricky thing.

    Your sites will probably jump back up once things settle if you did things right.

    My site was top 3 when I first launched it... it then it dropped to 8th-10th for a couple months now has been steady at #2 (its real position I believe).
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I discussed this with a number of e-commerce merchants since the MayDay was particularly targetted at large e-commerce sites.

    It seems that most did not see any significant drop in traffic from Google. Most of them write the product descriptions themselves and/or user reviews for their products.

    However while their traffic remained the same, some reported a large drop in the number conversions. May and June are tradittionally very bad for most e-commerce sites but the drop was beyond what they would expect.

    There is some suspicion that they may be getting less traffic from long tail search terms but more from commonner search terms. e.g. "SD card" as opposed to "Toshiba 16GB SD Card". Since long tail keywords carry a much higher conversion rate, this may explain their drop in conversions.
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    • Profile picture of the author mistyone
      I too have lost traction and slipped into the depths of the serps for a number of my sites. I am receiving virtually no traffic from Google, most of it is now from Yahoo.

      I have quite a few exact match domains and they are the sites that have done the dive.

      On the exact match domain subject, I was trying an experiment with the last couple of domains where the keyword that I wanted to target was not available, so I took the plural option but set the sites up for the singular and yet although I have SEO'd the sites for my main keywords which are the singular version, I was ranking for the exact match domain name (the plural version) so it appears to me as though Google is still recognising exact match domains. Just my experience in the last two months.

      I believe I need to get more serious on working on my other projects

      Hi Terry, fancy meeting you here. Anyone would think we have been conferring on this
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    It's really hard to put a finger on what is happening, or the causes of it.

    Some of my sites have dropped while others have stayed the same and on the surface there appears to be no difference between the ones that have dropped and the ones that have stayed where they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    My results are so strange.

    I have one site that was affected that have half of the long tail first page rankings in tact, but the other half have lost their SERPs.

    This is so random!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Don't worry you guys.

    This is just one of G's scare tactics, the same reason why new website gets volatile when you build too many links too fast to it. You will get your rankings back.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    The guys are digital point are also experiencing this:

    WTF Is Google doing lately? - Page 3
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  • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
    My rankings for my EMD sites are actually UP....but the traffic and $$$ are WAY DOWN. Like from $70.00 per day down to less than $10.00. No fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
      Actually, check that.... My tracking software wasn't working.... All my EMD sites are gone down the tubes. Now that makes sense why the income went with it. Hmmm... Glad I have other sources of online income because it looks like a ton of time, effort, and money is down the drain.

      Originally Posted by Negotiator74 View Post

      My rankings for my EMD sites are actually UP....but the traffic and $$$ are WAY DOWN. Like from $70.00 per day down to less than $10.00. No fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author searchnology
    From what I have seen here and on other forums/blogs the SERPs changes seem to be a combination of the following:

    1. Newer sites were hit harder than older sites.
    2. Made for advertising sites (MFA) or very thin content were hit hard.
    3. Site that had backlinks to just the homepage and/or for a single keyword were hit hard.
    4. Sites that targeted exact keyword domains were hit hard. (most of these were in item #2)
    5. Slow loading sites were hit hard

    Anything else noticed?
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    • Profile picture of the author sebas
      Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

      From what I have seen here and on other forums/blogs the SERPs changes seem to be a combination of the following:

      1. Newer sites were hit harder than older sites.
      2. Made for advertising sites (MFA) or very thin content were hit hard.
      3. Site that had backlinks to just the homepage and/or for a single keyword were hit hard.
      4. Sites that targeted exact keyword domains were hit hard. (most of these were in item #2)
      5. Slow loading sites were hit hard

      Anything else noticed?
      That seems about right. What went down for me are new sites that are rather thin and had most of their backlinks pointing to the home page while also being exact domain matches.

      I seem to fit all the criteria that made me go way down the SERPS!
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  • Profile picture of the author BestwaY
    if i buy new domain and make redirect thats will be good ??
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    • Profile picture of the author Bcrewse1
      So the question now becomes HOW TO I GET NEW SITES I CREATE TO RANK? If Google is only going to give credit to big company sites just because they have a ton of back links (even if their content stinks compared to mine) which direction do we all go now in creating new sites and getting them to rank?

      Is it all going to come down to waiting 2 - 4 months of heavy link building just to see if you can make it to the front of the SERPS?

      I think Google has lost their frickin mind. I've seen some of my totally WH sites with great content ranking on the first page now replaced by SH** sites who's content doesn't really relate but who have a ton of spammy back links. Penalizing sites just because they have an exact domain name match is ridiculous as well. It was Google, who in the first place, drove people to getting those domain names because they just had to have "related content" in the URL, the description, the meta tags and on and on and on and now they penalize us all for doing it???

      Lol...the more I think about it the madder I get but I think this is the straw that breaks the camels back for me. I am seriously considering changing my entire marketing strategy and completely forget using Adsense and SEO as a way of monitization.

      Time for me to finally break down and focus on building lists and selling products that way and become completely independent of Google altogether. Maybe if more of us did that Google will learn an expensive lesson. It would be great to see the "marketers" penalize Google instead of the other way around for a change.

      Ok...rant over...time to move onward and upward. Good luck to all....=) Time will tell how this all pans out.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I'm not seeing much difference. If anything, it is starting to improve on conversions. I think before google was not as good at targeting long tail keywords, but now I seem to convert visitors better with the algorithm change.
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    • Profile picture of the author searchnology
      Same here....rankings are mixed for keywords...up, down, unchanged....but much higher conversions from Google....almost double.

      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I'm not seeing much difference. If anything, it is starting to improve on conversions. I think before google was not as good at targeting long tail keywords, but now I seem to convert visitors better with the algorithm change.
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      • Profile picture of the author dvduval
        Originally Posted by searchnology View Post

        Same here....rankings are mixed for keywords...up, down, unchanged....but much higher conversions from Google....almost double.
        What I am finding also is the stickiness of pages matters more. I'm not sure how google could be getting the bounce rate algorithmically, but I almost feel like google is saying:

        Show pages built for keywords that people bounce right off of and we will not rank those pages so well.

        I can't say for sure, but I think this is their intention. How successful they are becoming at this remains to be seen, but I do believe they are working on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I think some of my SERPs came back up again?

    RANDOM!
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  • Profile picture of the author mpx305
    I noticed that some of my wordpress sites took a hit and other sites not using wordpress remained unaffected - I don't know what this means if anything...
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    • Profile picture of the author examineseo
      Originally Posted by mpx305 View Post

      I noticed that some of my wordpress sites took a hit and other sites not using wordpress remained unaffected - I don't know what this means if anything...
      Wow that's kind of scary! Anyone got any insight on this? Has the wordpress affected others?
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      • Profile picture of the author fortony
        My Wordpress sites when up, down or stayed the same. Do not think this change will affect WP for better or for worse.
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      • Profile picture of the author terryd
        Originally Posted by examineseo View Post

        Wow that's kind of scary! Anyone got any insight on this? Has the wordpress affected others?
        It's not wordpress based, I've got wp sites that stayed the same while others plummeted.....no idea why!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Antoni
    I actually found an example of MayDay in action. I was doing some keyword research with a longtail keyword. I only got 5200 results for the broad search. I thought I had hit something special lol.

    Then I did a search for the exact phrase and more than 1 million results came up. It's then I figured this must be part of Google's new algorithm.

    I wrote a post about it on my blog with screenshots on the search and a few links to some good SEO guys talking about it all and what it could potentially mean.

    If you want to read it, here's the link:

    Death Of The Long Tail Keyword? Mayday Alert... | Mike Antoni's Blog

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    PS - I'm just being dramatic with the title. I don't really think that.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    During the first week, my traffic was horrible, but then it improved again now.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    My SERPs have improved only a little.

    Let's say if I lost 100 rankings, I got back 50.

    My old sites (1.5 years old) have no problems though, just my newer sites (sites newer than 1.5 years old) have this issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      My SERPs have improved only a little.

      Let's say if I lost 100 rankings, I got back 50.

      My old sites (1.5 years old) have no problems though, just my newer sites (sites newer than 1.5 years old) have this issue.
      Is this site one of the sites which got affected?
      how-to-get-your-ex-back-today dot com/how-to-get-her-back dot php

      I think the "May Day" update was aiming at long-tail keywords and in particular those sites with long-tail domain names...

      Your site seems to have way too many of these kinds of links and pages (3 dozen to be exact), all aimed at promoting the same two affiliate products. Looks way too spammy and the content just a masquerade. The content is probably not the real problem, it could be those long-tail links, or the pure concentration of them.

      No offence, but if I was looking for information on this topic, I'd be put off by your site to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I'm sure this is not the Mayday update.

    Read this:

    Over Optimization June 2 Penalty - steps to reverse it

    This happened to me exactly pretty much.
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  • Profile picture of the author -Jericho-
    I'm having some odd changes. Up until about 2 weeks ago I was steadily going up in ranking for a site. I was at number 11 and then all of a sudden the main page is ranking somewhere over 600. I stopped looking after that. What's weird is I have some pages in the website that are just WPRobot posts from amazon ranking higher then the main page. How the hell is that ranking above my site when that page isn't even optimized for the keyword?

    Very odd.

    I also was ranking well for 4 other sites all keyword rich domains, all of which are a couple of months old and none have adsense. They have a 3-6 of pages of unique content and are wordpress blogs. Up until about a week ago 2 were on the first page and still moving up. 1 was on the second page and the other on the fourth page.

    Now, 3 of them are between pages 12-15 and the fourth is on page 35. Nothing has changed. I've been building backlinks to them and next thing I know they just got crushed. I have anywhere from 150-200 links to each site, nothing crazy and yet I look at the first page and they have significantly less links and nothing spectacular about the links.

    I don't get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeswarrior
    It's not a Google dance. This is permanent, caffeine. Google is not the same ole Google anymore. Also, what was number 1 organic listing before, now it is number 4 thanks to Google Adwords ads at the top. So even if you are number 1 on Google organic, amount of traffic will never be the same. Also Google lately is an irrelevant mess and very unstable!

    It is time to end the Google love affair my lovely big G. fanboys. Google is very evil. It is time to give big G. the ole Microsoft treatment. I see Microsoft now as Mother Theresa compared to evil Google. God, I've never liked ole Billy so much! My site is getting more traffic from Bing than Google! Amazing!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
      Originally Posted by -Jericho- View Post

      I also was ranking well for 4 other sites all keyword rich domains, all of which are a couple of months old and none have adsense. [...] I've been building backlinks to them and next thing I know they just got crushed. I have anywhere from 150-200 links to each site, nothing crazy and yet I look at the first page and they have significantly less links and nothing spectacular about the links.

      I don't get it.
      Jericho, I can't speak of experience but 150-200 backlinks ... are these in relation to the sites you mention that you created a few months ago? If so, how did you create those backlinks? What type of sites are they coming from? Any authority sites, i.e. what page ranks do these sites have? I think if you created that many links for each sites within a couple of months, that could be a problem, especially with that type of mini/micro sites...Google's new (permanent) changes seems to crack down on those, Matt Cutts (Google) has made this pretty clear just a few weeks ago.

      Originally Posted by jeswarrior View Post

      It's not a Google dance. This is permanent, caffeine. Google is not the same ole Google anymore. Also, what was number 1 organic listing before, now it is number 4 thanks to Google Adwords ads at the top. So even if you are number 1 on Google organic, amount of traffic will never be the same. Also Google lately is an irrelevant mess and very unstable!

      It is time to end the Google love affair my lovely big G. fanboys. Google is very evil. It is time to give big G. the ole Microsoft treatment. I see Microsoft now as Mother Theresa compared to evil Google. God, I've never liked ole Billy so much! My site is getting more traffic from Bing than Google! Amazing!
      Well, I agree with your first paragraph, as caffeine and may day will still take some time to settle. However, I would not call them evil. To be honest, look at it from an Internet user's experience point of view:
      Someone types in a certain keyword combination and gets all these crap sites, just because they happen to be EMD's or near EMD's that more times than not do not provide a great deal of value. So they are trying to improve the chances that more quality sites with *relevant* content make it to page 1. It's great to be able to get to page 1, but from now on I would not count on staying there for long, at all just because you have managed to buy an EMD and done some backlinks. If you have a flimsy 5-10 page website, with weak content, potentially stuffed with keywords and plenty of affiliate links - then this is not exactly the best user experience and all that Google is doing is protect their asset, which is a high quality search engine predominantly.

      You may have seen the interview with Matt Cutts (Google) from a few weeks ago - but if not than go to the second post in this thread, and after watching you may conclude that it's essential to:

      -build quality sites
      -provide valuable content
      -show that you are an authority in your market
      -provide regular updated content (a 5-10 page mini site will no longer work)
      -don't stuff your site with too many affiliate links
      -build your links naturally over time
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by Rolliesworld View Post

        Jericho, I can't speak of experience but 150-200 backlinks ... are these in relation to the sites you mention that you created a few months ago? If so, how did you create those backlinks? What type of sites are they coming from? Any authority sites, i.e. what page ranks do these sites have? I think if you created that many links for each sites within a couple of months, that could be a problem, especially with that type of mini/micro sites...Google's new (permanent) changes seems to crack down on those, Matt Cutts (Google) has made this pretty clear just a few weeks ago.
        My experiences are in direct contradiction to this philosophy. For my new sites, I typically start them on a stead stream of profile backlinks and some automatic blog commenting. It's not uncommon for a new domain of mine (in tougher niches) to get maybe 2-5k links show up in Spyglass in the first month. Some of my microniche sites of course only need a few backlinks to rank well. Guess what happens? Every single time they rank well. If I'll feel like they need it, I throw in some higher page PR links (I own >200 PR3+ domains as I do a fair amount of high PR domain buying as well), and after a couple of months if I feel like they need the boost and they are already on the first page of google for their desired term.

        That's what I was doing 12 months ago, and that's what I do today, with the same exact good results. In my experience, updated content is certainly not necessary to rank well, neither is "great" content. Heck, I can take a crappy 300 word article, ram it through the best spinner, and put up that crappy spun article on a 1 post WP blog and get it to rank well. Of course, I don't really recommend that, but a double-indented ranking of 13/14 for "backlinks" says that it can be done ;-).

        Tom
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        • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
          @Tom Goodwin

          Interesting. So you have not been affected by Google's algorithm changes in recent weeks, with any of your sites?
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by Rolliesworld View Post

            @Tom Goodwin

            Interesting. So you have not been affected by Google's algorithm changes in recent weeks, with any of your sites?
            Not one bit. I continue to pound Google and will continue to do so
            I love keyword heavy domains, keyword heavy post titles all focused heavily on one targeted keyword, I only backlink to a given page using ONE anchor text (my experience has been than randomizing the anchor texts only decreases your overall rankings), etc.

            My newest sites i'm continuing to backlink like I normally do and they continue to improve at crazy rates in Google (in fact, I would say at better rates than before...but of course the sample size is way to small to draw any conclusions from that).

            I also check my sites religiously at least once a week using link-assistant's Rank Tracker so I log all of my site's rankings over time.

            Tom
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                Originally Posted by mistyone View Post

                Tom

                Are your domains hosted on separate IP addresses?

                Viv

                My "money" sites are hosted between 1 standard bluehost account and 1 standard hostgator reseller account. I personally don't feel IP diversity is necessary on a money site basis, assuming that one is not using these sites for backlinks and you aren't interlinking them too much.

                I have a dedicated server with hostgator that at the moment only hosts backlinksforum.com, as I was maxing out the juice on the HG reseller account with the forum.


                I do have have about 150 c-class unique IP addresses that I have through a combination of seo-host.com and seohosting.com, but those host my high PR domains that i use solely for backlinking power to my money sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author fortony
      Originally Posted by marksmanruler View Post

      The last 48 hours have been absolutely disastrous. I have experience big drops in my type sites "XFactor. none of these places use the model Xfactor are all individually decorated with their own themes WP, all unique content. All whitehat.
      I have not seen any unusual fluctuations in mine. I would not sweat 48 hours regardless. It is just too short of a time period.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by marksmanruler View Post

      It also happened to me last week. I hope this is just dancing by the fact i backlinks. Not a huge amount of backlinks. The place was then page 2 on page 10, then at 3, 55, and so on, and it is yet? It can be fun for the whole week in advance for all of us try to see what happens.
      Originally Posted by marksmanruler View Post

      The last 48 hours have been absolutely disastrous. I have experience big drops in my type sites "XFactor. none of these places use the model Xfactor are all individually decorated with their own themes WP, all unique content. All whitehat.

      What kind of backlinks are you building and how are you varying your anchor text?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Remember, for each site that drops, a new one takes its place.

        So, the other people are jumping for joy...

        When one person says my SERPs are dropping, a corresponding person is
        saying my SERps are rising.

        We can never say that everyone is experiencing drops. In fact, all things
        being equal, half are dropping, half are rising.

        Paul
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