Question on .edu backlinks.

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I just read a report on getting backlinks from .edu sites. Nothing in there that I was not already aware of, but it did pose something that I had not considered.

The writer suggested that when you leave your links, that you use your name and not a keyword as if you use a keyword you will get the comment deleted. I asked him about this but did not receive any response. So I thought I would bring the question to the forum.

What is the point of leaving backlinks to your site and using your name as the keyword? Don't you want the link to get you credit on your keyword? This will not accomplish that as far as I know.

Tell me where I am wrong, if I am.

On another point, can .edu and .gov backlinks really be wroth more than any other link? This doesn't seem to be that logical to me. I know that Google and the others don't necessarily follow logic with their algorithms and rules. So does anyone REALLY have any proof of this theory?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    If you or any other common marketer/SEO/spammer can leave your link on a .edu or .gov site it's not worth that much. However, you can be sure that Google will devalue links coming from that page pretty quickly as spamm..., er, profile exchangers get wind of it being open for commenting.

    Now, if you have a contextual link on an authority page from one of these domains that you get for being president of the alumni association or having the right political credentials, then it might be worth quite a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      If you or any other common marketer/SEO/spammer can leave your link on a .edu or .gov site it's not worth that much. However, you can be sure that Google will devalue links coming from that page pretty quickly as spamm..., er, profile exchangers get wind of it being open for commenting.
      Not true. If you can leave a relevant anchor on a .edu site then that's awesome, but using your name is fine too. Either way it still counts as a backlink. I've tested this countless times across multiple domains. DOFOLLOW links from these types of sites are the best to have though, and it still doesn't matter what the anchor text is. If you're smart about how you leave the link then the less likely it is that the link will be considered "spam" and the less likely other "spammers" will catch on.

      SVLABS- It's not so much that having outbound links is bad, but it DOES matter WHO you're linking to when you create outbound links. By creating outbound links, you're potentially giving your link juice away to another site...and your PR may drop. If you link to the right sites though, this won't happen.
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      • Profile picture of the author michealcdz
        Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

        Not true. If you can leave a relevant anchor on a .edu site then that's awesome, but using your name is fine too. Either way it still counts as a backlink. I've tested this countless times across multiple domains. DOFOLLOW links from these types of sites are the best to have though, and it still doesn't matter what the anchor text is. If you're smart about how you leave the link then the less likely it is that the link will be considered "spam" and the less likely other "spammers" will catch on.

        SVLABS- It's not so much that having outbound links is bad, but it DOES matter WHO you're linking to when you create outbound links. By creating outbound links, you're potentially giving your link juice away to another site...and your PR may drop. If you link to the right sites though, this won't happen.
        .gov and .edu websites are considered good for good backlinks
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      • Profile picture of the author SVLABS
        Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

        SVLABS- It's not so much that having outbound links is bad, but it DOES matter WHO you're linking to when you create outbound links.
        So assuming that people are not all idiots, and realise by now that linking to bad sites will give you a bad reputation, that's a big difference to the statement "if they have a lot of OBL that BAD".

        In fact for the most part the opposite is true. The entire Google system, from the day it was thought up, is completely built upon a citation system. Hence the value of a link. You are citing someones work by linking to them. Just like you would see in a book. Go to the bibliography and you'll see a bunch of references and citations of the supporting texts and information.

        Google then realised the errors in that method and began introducing steps to combat self promoting citations, or what we like to call spam.

        Google as a business is only interested in providing THE MOST relevant document available, on any topic, upon request. They are also interested in providing extension to that document, other citations, cross references, or other supporting information. Just like a bibliography (outbound links).

        Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

        By creating outbound links, you're potentially giving your link juice away to another site...and your PR may drop.
        So if you've read all of this so far you'll quickly realise that if you consistently link out to other authority sites/pages that provide more/other/extended/related information on the topic that your own web page is about then effectively you are building a better user experience for the searcher.

        This is exactly the reason the wikipedia has such authority. Every post, every page, every topic, has sources of reference to other pages, which also have sources of reference and this goes on looping over and over. On top of that you have millions of other pages on specific topics that cite the wiki page on that same topic, which again continues down a rabbits hole, offering more and more supporting information and citation.

        You see how it works? Linking out is one of the best things you can do. Just do it within reason or you'll be bleeding PR like shark attack victim.

        I see all the time people confusing the idea that Google cares about you, your site, or your content. They don't. All they care about is the best user experience for their own customers. By linking out you are giving more of what Google wants to deliver to its customers. They will thank you for that by offering your page as the best source of information on a particular topic.

        Linking out to authority sites that provide supporting information on your topic will, over time, increase PR not drop it.
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        • Profile picture of the author OmarBriones
          Wow... VERY Nice reply! Thanks a bunch man!

          ~Omar

          Originally Posted by SVLABS View Post

          So assuming that people are not all idiots, and realise by now that linking to bad sites will give you a bad reputation, that's a big difference to the statement "if they have a lot of OBL that BAD".

          In fact for the most part the opposite is true. The entire Google system, from the day it was thought up, is completely built upon a citation system. Hence the value of a link. You are citing someones work by linking to them. Just like you would see in a book. Go to the bibliography and you'll see a bunch of references and citations of the supporting texts and information.

          Google then realised the errors in that method and began introducing steps to combat self promoting citations, or what we like to call spam.

          Google as a business is only interested in providing THE MOST relevant document available, on any topic, upon request. They are also interested in providing extension to that document, other citations, cross references, or other supporting information. Just like a bibliography (outbound links).



          So if you've read all of this so far you'll quickly realise that if you consistently link out to other authority sites/pages that provide more/other/extended/related information on the topic that your own web page is about then effectively you are building a better user experience for the searcher.

          This is exactly the reason the wikipedia has such authority. Every post, every page, every topic, has sources of reference to other pages, which also have sources of reference and this goes on looping over and over. On top of that you have millions of other pages on specific topics that cite the wiki page on that same topic, which again continues down a rabbits hole, offering more and more supporting information and citation.

          You see how it works? Linking out is one of the best things you can do. Just do it within reason or you'll be bleeding PR like shark attack victim.

          I see all the time people confusing the idea that Google cares about you, your site, or your content. They don't. All they care about is the best user experience for their own customers. By linking out you are giving more of what Google wants to deliver to its customers. They will thank you for that by offering your page as the best source of information on a particular topic.

          Linking out to authority sites that provide supporting information on your topic will, over time, increase PR not drop it.
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          • Profile picture of the author nucleus
            I went from #3 to #1 on google in a week for a mildly competitive term by adding 6 edu backlinks.

            Nucleus
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            • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
              Originally Posted by nucleus View Post

              I went from #3 to #1 on google in a week for a mildly competitive term by adding 6 edu backlinks.

              Nucleus
              How do you know the that the same thing would not have happened if those 6 links were from .com sites rather than .edu?
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

        Not true.
        Sorry, but it is very true. Any .edu/.gov page where anybody can leave a link without knowing somebody will get spammed and devalued eventually. There are simply too many people searching for places to do this and selling them to others. There is also plenty of evidence that suggests that links from student or faculty pages on these domains have no more value than similar links elsewhere. Strangely enough, most people who say different are usually selling lists of these links.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    No opinions on .edu back links? Am I in the wrong forum by any chance?
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  • Profile picture of the author praveenkumar
    But where can I find the .edu and .gov sites from the internet. Some internet marketer sell these links but I don't want to pay just for list of websites.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by praveenkumar View Post

      But where can I find the .edu and .gov sites from the internet. Some internet marketer sell these links but I don't want to pay just for list of websites.
      I want beer, but I don't want to pay for it or brew it myself, so where can I get for free?

      You can find all the sites to place your backlinks on by doing a search for 'site:.edu' and follow that with your chosen paramiters. You can find more information on this by doing a search through this forum or going to the WSO forum and paying for the information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan6
    Your desired keywords in the anchor text is ideal, but a link is a link. When people usually link to articles/sites they may use such randomised anchor text as "here is the article" or something along those lines. Such links look natural to Google and if you use a name perhaps on a blog comment then it'll looks less spammy, meaning that it'll have a higher chance of sticking.
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  • Profile picture of the author SVLABS
    Not all links are created equal.

    Obviously having your keyword as anchor text is ideal and will provide you the greatest SEO benefits no matter what. But as was pointed out, on a blog comment, better to get the link with bad anchor text than to have no link at all and a comment author link that is a keyword has a high chance of being deleted.

    Also consider the link reputation of the domain where the link is coming from. Link reputation is essentially the overall authority that any link from a given domain will carry. If the domain is strong, then the link reputation, with or without perfect anchor will carry you a long way. Get the anchor text in there and you're killin' it.

    But, having said all that, I'd have to agree with christopherNV and say that it's never actually been proven in any test that I am aware of that .edu or .gov links carry any more authority than any other strong, authoritative TLD.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Matt Cutts made in clear in one of his video that Google do not weight any particular tld over another.

    If you want some evidence that and .edu domain does not really carry any extra weight, check this Google search:

    viagra site:.edu - Google Search

    (that search is not as bad as it used to be and G appearedto have cleaned it up a lot)
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  • Profile picture of the author FreshPLR
    I think getting the backlink to stick is far better than having a proper anchor text keyword in the comment name, which as a result gets deleted because it is considered spam. If in doubt just put a boring unrelated word in the hyperlinked comment name box.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    Both .edu and .gov backlinks are seen as trustworthy links by Google so having a backlink form these sites would help you a lot in building trust with Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by seoforu View Post

      Both .edu and .gov backlinks are seen as trustworthy links by Google so having a backlink form these sites would help you a lot in building trust with Google.
      So you are saying that Google should give more trust to all those viagra sites that have links on .edu domains?
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

        So you are saying that Google should give more trust to all those viagra sites that have links on .edu domains?
        I think the whole .edu and .gov backlink hype is just a lot of BS. I am not going to spend any more time or effort on it. Just go for high PR sites and forget the rest. It is all a bunch of old wives tales in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author SledgeHammer
      Originally Posted by zk5182 View Post

      No weight age over .edu domains anymore
      Are you having any valid proof ?
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  • Profile picture of the author e-service
    The most important with any blacklink types (include .EDU and .GOV ) is how many OBL that the website have . If they have a lot of OBL, that bad . In almost case .EDU links is the best way to get backlinks, but get backlinks on .EDU or .GOV is not easy
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    • Profile picture of the author SVLABS
      Originally Posted by e-service View Post

      The most important with any blacklink types (include .EDU and .GOV ) is how many OBL that the website have . If they have a lot of OBL, that bad . In almost case .EDU links is the best way to get backlinks, but get backlinks on .EDU or .GOV is not easy
      Why is having outbound links bad?
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