Question about beating a page on a PR 5 site that has no backlinks

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Hi guys,

Just wondered about how hard it is to beat a page on a PR 5 site that has 0 backlinks showing on YSE.

Is that page just as difficult to beat as the homepage or is it actually less difficult to beat than the homepage ??

Thanks Jim
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  • Profile picture of the author webstrategistpk
    less difficult


    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,

    Just wondered about how hard it is to beat a page on a PR 5 site that has 0 backlinks showing on YSE.

    Is that page just as difficult to beat as the homepage or is it actually less difficult to beat than the homepage ??

    Thanks Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
      Originally Posted by webstrategistpk View Post

      less difficult
      LOL how less difficult is there anyway of telling ?
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  • Profile picture of the author lukemeister
    I can maybe give you a little perspective from somewhat the flipside of that question -

    I manage the SEO of a site that has a PR of 5 on the home page - and I still have to battle sometimes with backlink building to inner pages to get them to rank where I want them to, and some of them have been particularly tough - so from that perspective I've seen many of our pages on that site not rank so easily even though it's basically a pr5 site - we still have to feed backlinks to our inner pages that we want to rank if it's competive

    So - I would say that in my experience, you probably could go head to head with inner pages with no visible backlinks from a pr5 site - maybe give it a shot and see what happens?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      It's a question that cannot be answered.
      We know nothing of the authority of the site, niche, best keywords,
      trustworthiness, etc.

      It's possible to for a PR n/a to beat a PR5 site. But probably not
      for what the PR5 site is in actuality shooting for.

      If they are optimized for red cars, rank #1, you probably cannot beat it
      for red cars. But you could beat it for red cars in hawaii.

      When people talk about "beating" a site, they should ask themselves,
      beating for what?

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post


        When people talk about "beating" a site, they should ask themselves,
        beating for what?

        Paul
        Hi Paul,
        Emm dont want to sound stupid here but i asked the original question because i wanted to beat the site that was number 1 in google , For the keyword i was looking at the number 1 spot i taken by a page with no backlinks but the homepage is PR5 so.. To beat the site for its number 1 spot
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
          Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

          Hi Paul,
          Emm dont want to sound stupid here but i asked the original question because i wanted to beat the site that was number 1 in google , For the keyword i was looking at the number 1 spot i taken by a page with no backlinks but the homepage is PR5 so.. To beat the site for its number 1 spot
          Lol, ignore that guy.


          It'll be easy to do with proper on-page seo and a few backlinks.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

            Lol, ignore that guy.


            It'll be easy to do with proper on-page seo and a few backlinks.
            Touche! And your advice is ? On page SEO and a few backlinks?
            Add the word abracadabra and you might have something!

            Clarifying, if you mean a page linked off the PR 5 site, that still is
            hard. Obviously that site has authority. Seems to me I read something
            about authority before here...hmmmm.

            Problem when people ask these questions is that you get cargo replies
            from wannabes, "toss a few links, it will get there," when they have
            no idea what kind of authority the site has, what kind of age and
            trustworthiness. It's not as simple as 1-2-3, but that advice is why
            this forum gets filled with google bans, de-indexes, failures, sandboxes,
            you name it.

            For a competitive niche as that sounds like it is, you have your work
            cut out. There is no simple way other than building the same authority.

            And eventually, google will or has already passed PR to the site.

            Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
          Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

          Hi Paul,
          Emm dont want to sound stupid here but i asked the original question because i wanted to beat the site that was number 1 in google , For the keyword i was looking at the number 1 spot i taken by a page with no backlinks but the homepage is PR5 so.. To beat the site for its number 1 spot
          There could very well be some powerful internal links. I think what Paul was asking is if the page is optimized for the term or not. Does it have the term in the title, content, url, etc. If so, then they are trying to rank there. Sometimes sites with PR will rank for things they didn't expect to just because they have authority.

          So if they are specifically targeting the phrase you may have some difficulty. Especially if they have some good internal links pointing towards it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,

    Just wondered about how hard it is to beat a page on a PR 5 site that has 0 backlinks showing on YSE.

    Is that page just as difficult to beat as the homepage or is it actually less difficult to beat than the homepage ??

    Thanks Jim
    Hi Jim,

    PR is not assigned to sites, it is assigned to URLs, So it may help you to think of each page URL having its' own ranking, which it does, and then look at the signals used by search engines to rank that page/URL.

    Since pages are not ranked based on PR, the PR of the page plays no direct role in where it will rank. So a page could have PR0 and still be just as difficult to outrank as a page with PR5.

    Additionally, since pages are not ranked based on the number of backlinks, using that number by itself does not indicate how difficult it would be to outrank a page.

    This doesn't mean those factors aren't of importance in the correct context, they are, just not in the context of your question. Pages are ranked based on relevance and backlinks may play a role in influencing relevancy scores, but not necessarily so. PR plays a role in influencing the power of outbound links, not inbound links, so again it doesn't apply to the context of your question.

    While you may find that high ranking pages often have high PR, the PR is not the cause of it, nor is it a reliable indicator of ranking strength on its' own. It is just that the promotional activity that can influence rankings tends to influence PR, not the other way around. Likewise, the number of backlinks does not influence ranking, backlinks can affect relevancy, so some backlinks may help a page rank for a particular keyword while other backlinks play no direct role.

    To understand how difficult a page may be to outrank for a particular keyword, you need to look at the strength of the signals that make that page relevant for that same targeted keyword. It is the relative strength of relevant signals that determine difficulty.
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  • Profile picture of the author kposs
    It'd be helpful to also know details about the sites in say spots 2 through 10.

    I usually use WebCompAnalyst software which essentially pulls the URL, PageRank, site backlinks and page backlinks for the top sites of any given keyword. It's a nice overview of the competition for me and then I can start digging into details.

    I'm looking for general patterns. Are all of the URLs home pages or sub pages? What is the pattern of PR and backlinks. It's a little bit 'science', a little bit 'art' and alot of experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author jijaybajay
    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,

    Just wondered about how hard it is to beat a page on a PR 5 site that has 0 backlinks showing on YSE.

    Is that page just as difficult to beat as the homepage or is it actually less difficult to beat than the homepage ??

    Thanks Jim
    What is YSE?

    Editted:
    Oh nvm, Yahoo Search Engine I guess?
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