Don't WASTE Your Time with More than 1 Website

14 years ago

Ya know I was thinking of doing this myself and set up a domain name for this purpose. I can agree with what your saying here.

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Yes, I hope many people take your advice.
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- Steven Carl Kelly 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bgmacaw
  
  Yes, I hope many people take your advice.
  
  Agreed. I hope that lots and lots of potential IMer's follow the OP's advice.
  
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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ttomp13

I wanted to do a quick post here, because I really feel that mini-niche
websites are a waste of time. Before you jump down my throat, understand
that mini-niche websites are a waste of time, but the idea of promoting
multiple mini-niches on one website is not. I'll explain.

Multiple Mini-Niche Sites Can Be Good.

They are highly targeted and highly specific.
Ranking high for domain key term usually doesn't take much.
They usually result in good affiliate sales / highly relevant contextual ads.

Multiple Mini-Niche Sites Can Be Bad!

Not an authority site.
Ranking for key terms can sometimes take a month or two.
New domain for every new site.
Setting up a new website every time.
Worrying about being banned by AdSense for MFA.

Single Websites with Unlimited Mini-Niches Can be Great!

You're building an authority website.
When you become an authority, you can easily rank for mini-niche topics.
Easy on your wallet.
Don't need multiple websites.
Don't have to worry about being banned from AdSense for having 100 sites.
Authorities generally receive more links in than mini-niche sites.
High traffic.
More private advertising and link buying requests.

Single Websites with Unlimited Mini-Niches Can Suck.

Website has multiple categories.
Difficult for user to find information (unless you make it easy!)
Links into your home page are less likely. (Not a big deal.)

When it comes down to it, mini-niches are great to promote on a single
authority website. As time progresses, your authority site will begin to
easily rank for many mini-niche phrases, without even having to build
backlinks to those pages. Promoting mini-niches on a single authority site
saves you the time of building a new site, money, and the worry that Google
will shut you down for MFA website creating. If you look at your site like a
Squidoo or like an eZine, you will begin to see that you don't need a million
websites to be successful. Sure, building a butt load of mini-niche websites
on a butt load of different domains does work, but when you could build a
single authority with all of the above perks, there's not a reason to have
multiple sites.

Just remember, if you decide to stick with a single authority website, your
internal link structure is extremely important.

For example: If you choose the topic of "Home Acne Treatment," you'll
probably want to have the page "Home Acne Treatment," as a core post
to 10 sub posts. And if those sub posts have posts, that's alright too.
Basically, you want to tell Google that you're the most relevant result to
whatever it is you're talking about. And to be successful with relevancy,
you don't need an exact match domain. Yes. It can help, but when you
eventually have an authority, it's not necessary.

Also remember, using a single authority website is for people who know how
to build an authority website...

I have tried things both ways, folks, and I have never had more success
than I do now with my single authority website.

What part of me making more money is a waste of my time? How about DEFINITELY create more than 1 site. That way if your 1 site that is making money loses some ranking for awhile, you aren't F*&$ed. Having more than one site protects you from being too heavily dependent on your income from one source.

And why would Adsense ban someone with 100 sites? As long as the sites have substance and provide value, they aren't going to get you in trouble. Everyone worries about having too many sites and getting banned by Adsense. Adsense doesn't say, "Hey, this guy has too many sites, lets ban him!"

They ban people who are making MFA's and not providing value. I'll go with Crew Chief on this one. People getting banned by Adsense are or have broken the rules at some point. I have yet to see someone who was following the rules lose their account.

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

People getting banned by Adsense are or have broken the rules at some point. I have yet to see someone who was following the rules lose their account.

Well, some people did get kicked out of Adsense a couple of years or so ago when they cracked down on the Adsense Arbitrage method. They were following the rules as they were at the time but Google changed the rules on them. Unlike bans for click fraud and such, they did get paid what they were owed up to the banning.

Overall though, I do agree that generally it's going to be something like click fraud or other significant violation that will get one kicked out of Adsense. Basically the real rule is bring them honest traffic that converts well for advertisers and STFU about how you're doing it.
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- Jacob Martus 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bgmacaw
  
  and STFU about how you're doing it.
  
  Yep, I got that from that post by Grizzly which I found from a link on one of your websites. Something like Adsense in 2010 where he talked about that.
  
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ttomp13

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

What part of me making more money is a waste of my time? How about DEFINITELY create more than 1 site. That way if your 1 site that is making money loses some ranking for awhile, you aren't F*&. Having more than one site protects you from being too heavily dependent on your income from one source.

And why would Adsense ban someone with 100 sites? As long as the sites have substance and provide value, they aren't going to get you in trouble. Everyone worries about having too many sites and getting banned by Adsense. Adsense doesn't say, "Hey, this guy has too many sites, lets ban him!"

They ban people who are making MFA's and not providing value. I'll go with Crew Chief on this one. People getting banned by Adsense are or have broken the rules at some point. I have yet to see someone who was following the rules lose their account.

I can respect your opinion, and if you're making money, you're right,
creating 100 mini niche sites is great. From my experience, it's a pain in
the a$$ to handle, and creating 1 big site is way easier, plus provides you
with the ability to actually create an authority site.

If you're worried about it, you can have some mini-niche sites and one big
site. I mean, it's NEVER a good idea to put all of your eggs in one basket
with this business.

On the other hand, you're saying that "They ban people who
are making MFA's and not providing value." Last time I checked, someone
who has 100 + websites is usually making those sites for AdSense. Lol
But, you can correct me if I am wrong on this.

In the end, there are always risks in this business. I have chosen to use
the methods I use, because I believe that it is what will work best for
me. If you think that making a new website once a week will work for you,
great. I've used this method and it does work, but I felt like creating a
new site every week was pretty repetitive and unnecessary. Especially
when I had to purchase a new domain for each site.

PS: CENTRAL FLORIDA IS WAY TOO DAMN MUGGY LOL

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ttomp13

Last time I checked, someone
who has 100 + websites is usually making those sites for AdSense.

You need to check again.

Originally Posted by ttomp13

If you think that making a new website once a week will work for you,
great.

Only one a week? :confused:
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paulgl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ttomp13

I wanted to do a quick post here...

That's not exactly a "quick post," if you know what I mean.
But I'll leave my comments at that.

Paul

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wordpresstrainingpackage

14 years ago

Creating multiple-mini niche sites is good if you only want to be identified in those niches. In terms of income earning, there is no difference with creating one authority site to manage all the niches. I have also tried both and I came to realize that maintain one site for the different niches make me have time for other things. I no longer need to bother updating all the sites one by one. From a single site, you can do whatever you want and all the sites are update.

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Joseph Then

14 years ago

I think the key to whether to have multiple sites or one authority site is: balance.

Yes, having multiple mini-niches has its good and bad. Having a single authority site has its own good and bad too.

I rather have 50 mini-niche sites + 10 authority sites in my portfolio than to have 100 mini-niche sites or 1 authority site.

To put it in another famous quote: "Don't put all your eggs in one basket"

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Mohsin Rasool

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

I think the key to whether to have multiple sites or one authority site is: balance.

Yes, having multiple mini-niches has its good and bad. Having a single authority site has its own good and bad too.

I rather have 50 mini-niche sites + 10 authority sites in my portfolio than to have 100 mini-niche sites or 1 authority site.

To put it in another famous quote: "Don't put all your eggs in one basket"

Nice take on this subject. I was also thinking in the same lines.
For the topics I am really committed I want to create authority site to cover whole market.
But for sites in Niches I am not much committed I do not want to build big site, just mini site is good and easy to manage or flip if I need to.

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Mohsin

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Nick Stuart 14 years ago

New here but my view is it obviously depends on what you are trying to achieve. The real question is how much time you have, ie if it is only you there is only so much time in the day but you have a team to delegate to then you might want some niche sites as well. At the end of the day it all comes down to cost effective use of you time not something I have done that well over the last 2 years.
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tiptopmovie

14 years ago

nice post i love it

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coreytucker

14 years ago

yea the thing that worries me is Google will label your sites as "MFA" when they see you have 50 of them. Then they realize you made the 50 only because you wanted to profit from adsense. Thats a worry of mine....not sure if the concern is legit or not though.

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paulgl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by coreytucker

yea the thing that worries me is Google will label your sites as "MFA" when they see you have 50 of them. Then they realize you made the 50 only because you wanted to profit from adsense. Thats a worry of mine....not sure if the concern is legit or not though.

Google does not label sites as MFA. They label sites as good-decent for adsense, and
those that aren't. Google would actually love you to make 50 sites that are
great for adsense. Why people see the opposite is beyond me. Contrary to popular
belief, google needs websites to show adsense. And lots of them. And needs a
continuing new supply.

seems in most of these cases, the length of the post is exponentially
proportional to the number of posts one has made.

Paul

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wendymay1

14 years ago

Thanks for this information as I have never thought of having multiple niches sites on 1 authority site. Makes sense.

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BestwaY

14 years ago

i have a big website alexa Rank 12000 But Google Put My Site In SandBox then Dropped In alexa Rank And Visitors I want to say U Must Have more Than one Site to be safe

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DrGUID

14 years ago

I have a big site with all kinds of diverse topics on it from fish to databases. It's OK but if one subject gets wildly popular then you get database ads all over your fish pages (or the other way around). A big site is very useful for launching side projects though.

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jijaybajay

14 years ago

How many pages do you think will be counted as authority sites?

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darthtoon

14 years ago

I agree with the OP - have found it best to focus efforts on one site.

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sabun

14 years ago

Yes, and it's easier to focus and optimize just one website than trying to run an entire network. A good authority website can bring home more money than a bunch of third class websites.

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Why people insist in use the "Best" ideology?

What's best for YOU might not be the best for ME or others. Maybe you suck with niche sites, maybe WE don't understand big sites.

BUT please, understand there isn't ONE way: there ARE several ways.

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jeswarrior

14 years ago

I strongly advice people against building that many minisites. You'll get frustrated and quit IM for good. Management of that many minisites, especially with Google's tantrums is not easy. Authority site is better. Use your head. You cannot handle effectively that many minisites. If you outsource you will go in the hole. Use your head. Domain renewal time then comes up and you get farther in the hole thousands of dollars. Also adsense has banned a ton of people for having a ton of sites under one account. At least that's what a lot of banned adsensers have claimed. Somebody asked the question why Google would ban a user with 100 sites. Why would they delete Adword accounts that make them money. Why would they use a stupid quality score which keep advertisers from spending millions on Adwords... They have a lot of money in the coffers and can have the luxury of doing so.

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jeswarrior

I strongly advice people against building that many minisites.

I strongly advise people to follow this advice...

...especially if they're thinking about competing in the same niches I am.
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Jacob Martus

14 years ago