Help! Quoting SEO and Micro Niche Project

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Hey Guys, long time lurker and first time poster in need of some advice.

A prospective client of mine saw a micro niche site that he really liked on Flippa and wanted how much it would cost to replicate that type of site and performance (sharp design and custom logo included) for a variety of niches based on a contingency agreement. This is my first time working on a project of this nature and I'm looking for advice on what you guys would quote for the project and also on terms that won't leave me holding the bag on a perfomace contingent agreement. I saw a good article at bit.ly/9Mh5sD about this type of contract but need help on the specifics and advice from the good community here at WF.

Background info on the project:
1. The model site along with background info on the ranking and SEO behind it can be found at bit.ly/bDO3Nd

2. He has purchased some exact match domains already though I don't know how well researched the keywords are. If it goes well in the future I may be doing all the research and domain selection.

3. From what we've discussed so far he wants pay only if the site's perform within some parameters we define but is willing to make a deposit up front.

4. He is looking to target the typical micro niche product keywords that get anywhere from 3,000 - 15,000+ exact searches and wants a top 3 spot.


So here are my questions for you guys:
1. Would you refuse to enter a contengincey agreement?
I'm pretty sure he will back out if its not done this way but if it is simply a bad idea I'd like to know.

2. How much would you charge per site with everything included and 5 - 10 content pages and target phrases on a flat fee basis?

3. How much per site with a flat fee and profit sharing agreement?

4. Would you demand that the deposit be non-refundable?
If so, what percentage of the final cost would you request for the deposit?

5. If you were to enter a profit sharing agreement, what be the development charge and percentage if the profit sharing was limited to a period of months effectivly buying me out at some point?

6. What would you charge as the devlopment fee and what would be the shared percentage if the profit sharing and maintanince of the site were for the lifetime of the site?

As I type this I am realzing that the client is more of a silent investor as I could simply build out the sites and keep them as I already do since the risk involved would be the same on a contengincy basis (less the deposit if it is non-refundable). Any adivce will be greatly apperciated as well as any relevant comments because I really need as much info on this as I can get and I am sure I'm missing some important points. If you are not a site developer and strictly an SEO guy/gal feel free to just chime in on the SEO costs.

Thanks so much for your help,
Salah
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
    Here's how one might price it, depending on client's standing and requirements. But remember that this is your price, and every SEO's price and value are different. They depend on what you can do.

    Originally Posted by SalahStudios View Post

    1. The model site along with background info on the ranking and SEO behind it can be found at bit.ly/bDO3Nd
    Design and Dev:
    Low end: $900-$1,100
    Mid range: $1,200-$1,900
    High end: $2,000-$5,000

    (Of course, custom application development with extensive requirements and coding can cost a lot more.)

    2. He has purchased some exact match domains already though I don't know how well researched the keywords are. If it goes well in the future I may be doing all the research and domain selection.
    Domain research:

    Low end: $500-900
    Mid range: $1000-$2,000
    High end: $2,000-$50,000

    3. From what we've discussed so far he wants pay only if the site's perform within some parameters we define but is willing to make a deposit up front.
    Well, this depends hugely. Be very careful about what you promise. How confident are you of achieving results? What kinds of results? Typically, do not promise sales. Sales are not the SEO's responsibility. I have sometimes boosted clients relevant traffic and rankings, but the sales did not increase proportionally because their crap didn't sell.

    You will find it's very common for people to expect you to bear their risk. There is not reason you should: it's their business and therefore their risk.

    That said, one might charge as follows:
    link development (from avg. PR5 level sites), resulting in likely eventual domination of the keyword market, though no guarantees can be made. Neverhteless, the client will see a tremendous within a few months, and will be able to see measurable results in traffic and rankings within one month, and in many cases as quickly as within 5-7 days (now, with Google Caffeine, possibly even faster). Can you promise something like that? If so, pricing might be as follows:
    low end: $1,500-$2,000 month
    mid range: $2,500-$5,000
    high end: $5,000+ (usually not necessary, but would depend on specific requirements. If the client wants you to run a full publishing platform in a cutthroat industry like gambling, it can be as much as $50,000/month)

    Note: I am not talking about low-level link building here. It costs less but can prove a waste of money, IMHO.

    4. He is looking to target the typical micro niche product keywords that get anywhere from 3,000 - 15,000+ exact searches and wants a top 3 spot.
    Who is the SEO, he or you? Why is he telling you which keywords to target? This is something YOU should control, and you can honor his wishes only so long as they are reasonable. Warn him that he is likely to be disappointed f he goes for the high volume terms first. The correct way is to unlock the long tail first and grab the low-hanging fruit. There are methodologies for doing that correctly. Eventually the client will rank for his top-level terms as well.

    The way I tend to go is to promise traffic rather than specific rankings, though I can easily provide specific rankings if the client insists, but I can require a specific bonus for them. Feel free to propose a base rate to your client and set bonuses for specific landmark.

    So here are my questions for you guys:
    1. Would you refuse to enter a contengincey agreement?
    I'm pretty sure he will back out if its not done this way but if it is simply a bad idea I'd like to know.
    It depends if you agree on the kinds of results you reasonably promise and expect. SEOs have varying degrees of confidence. If you are very confident, go for it. But since you have to ask, I would be cautious.

    2. How much would you charge per site with everything included and 5 - 10 content pages and target phrases on a flat fee basis?
    3. How much per site with a flat fee and profit sharing agreement?
    I don't take on my client's business risk unless I really believe in the model and there's a chance of making a huge profit. Ask them to make you their best offer. The vast majority of startups go out of business within a year or so.

    4. Would you demand that the deposit be non-refundable?
    If so, what percentage of the final cost would you request for the deposit?
    Yes. And for one time services I ask for 50% up front and 50% on completion. For recurring services I charge a monthly rate with 36 hours cancellation notice. Since results are felt quickly, I don't have to lock clients into a long contract. But again, this depends on your confidence, and suck flexibility is not something that I recommend. A 6 month contract sounds pretty reasonable, perhaps in 3 payments of 1/3 each, or monthly.

    I hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author SalahStudios
      Philip thank you so much! I don't have thanks button (I guess cause I'm under 15 posts) but any rate I want you to know I really appreciate your incite and it has given me a good baseline.
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    • Profile picture of the author SalahStudios
      Lauryn and James, thank you for your incite as well. I did a little moral test with him via few emails and crafty questioning and he is giving me a little cheapy type vibe so I will be demanding my fair price and non-refundable deposit, if he backs out I'll be better off not wasting my time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lauryn
    He needs to understand that every business is a risk and it shouldn't be at your fiscal expense if the campaign doesn't work. To me, it sounds as if he'll use any reason not to pay you ... and even when the money does come in... he'll tell you it's his work AFTER you messed everything up that made the performance lucrative.
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    I Go Hard = "Slanguage" for putting forth a lot of effort.

    Don't be an arse and try to flip something you clearly have no knowledge of against me.

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    My thoughts are that if you're able to do the work and hit the targets he sets then you're probably better off doing the sites for yourself. If the client is looking for guarantees before significant payment then you're carrying all the risks for little reward.

    If you're going to have to wait before getting paid why not just DIY and see returns for years to come?
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    If this post has been helpful please click the "thanks" button ;-)

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