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[Spamming Works] Gain TOP rankings by spamming.

by Karan Goel
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Hey Warriors.

Spamming works.

SHOCKED!!

Well, at least in the massive niches, it does.

Glen of ViperChill has proved it.

Affiliate SEO: How Websites Are Ranking in The Most Profitable Niches

1. Spammy Forum Links Work -- Some people laughed at me when I said that low-quality directory submissions and tools like Bookmarking demon still help me rank very highly in Google. However, the only reason I say that is because they really work. As proven here, spamming forums and membership sites are helping people rank in very profitable industries.
Glen looked at the Top 5 sites ranking for some of the top and most difficult keywords out there, and came to the conclusion.

Well, actually, this is true, too. People are using software like xRumer to spam the hell out of them. And this hurts the genuine marketer.

What do you think?

Karan
#gain #rankings #spamming #top #works
  • Profile picture of the author deloriagod
    I think spam results in websites transitioning to nofollow or just giving up and shutting down their websites. Not worth it, in my opinion. Plus I wouldn't want someone to know about my business because I was a spammer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by deloriagod View Post

      I think spam results in websites transitioning to nofollow or just giving up and shutting down their websites. Not worth it, in my opinion. Plus I wouldn't want someone to know about my business because I was a spammer.
      Oh! You misunderstood it. Spamming here is referring to building profiles at high PR dofollow sites for the sole purpose of getting a backlink.

      And if it work, then it's worth it (if you can take the risk).

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      • Profile picture of the author deloriagod
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        Oh! You misunderstood it. Spamming here is referring to building profiles at high PR dofollow sites for the sole purpose of getting a backlink.

        And if it work, then it's worth it (if you can take the risk).

        Karan
        My mistake, I was assuming you were referring to the usual spam of blasting links anywhere and everywhere without providing any decent content. As far as profile links go, I love them. Although I'm a bit lazy and can only build maybe 100 before I get fed up with it and hit up Fiverr to have someone else do it for me. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Sites allow you to create profiles. They do not say you have to participate or do anything else, then they get upset, along with other people when people put a link on the profile page they were supplied with.

    The people who have it wronf are those who think that there is some sort of code of conduct for sites that allow profile creation, when most of the time there is not.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      It's called the art of spamming without spamming.

      I don't choose to go there.

      Eventually things even out or fall like lead balloon.

      If you like building a house of cards...

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      • Profile picture of the author marky12345
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        It's called the art of spamming without spamming.

        I don't choose to go there.

        Eventually things even out or fall like lead balloon.

        If you like building a house of cards...

        Paul
        Listen to Paul, soon G is going to do something like devalue those links which is a shame as there are some people who do genuinely go to niche specific forums to participate and add links.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
          Originally Posted by marky12345 View Post

          Listen to Paul, soon G is going to do something like devalue those links which is a shame as there are some people who do genuinely go to niche specific forums to participate and add links.
          Google is too worried about releasing ridiculous features like Instant to worry about spam.

          Blog comment spam was supposed to be dealt with a long time ago but it's still around. I think it will be a long way coming before anything happens to profile spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post


        Eventually things even out or fall like lead balloon.
        ...just like blog comment spam which has been around for how long? ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        It's called the art of spamming without spamming.

        I don't choose to go there.
        Ummm Paul. You do realize they are talking about forum links too as in signature links. Haven't you gone there with 4 links in yours?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    I doubt link spamming is the only method those ones are using. Once they get penalized for that, then let them see where they rank
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  • Profile picture of the author JoseArmando
    Well of course... backlinking works
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  • Profile picture of the author new12world
    I think ranking with the spamming in search engine remains for short period only ... its not going to continue their ranking ..Soon they will be in sandbox when google detect them out
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  • Profile picture of the author J42
    But how long do the rankings last?
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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You guys go after the profile link, which is ok.

      The thing is, If you dig a bit deeper in most forums you can get a stronger backlink for free.

      I'm backlinking high PR forums with:

      1) I control the <h1> tag 100% (keyword)
      2) I can post unlimited anchor-text backlinks in a single post
      3) My entire page is themed for my specific keyword
      4) Google crawls the page with ease, G cache is proof
      5) It's not BH, the forums are setup for each member to do this, only most folks don't have a clue it exist.
      6) The forum page won't get deleted by anyone

      NOTE:
      This isn't Sig or profile backlinks.

      I know it sucks to post this without showing how. I also know it will have a chance to mess up my own backlinks If I post on an open IM forum, so all I can say is dig deeper in just about any forum.
      So you mean you start a new forum for every backlink?

      Something like a 'forum farm'?

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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
        Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

        So you mean you start a new forum for every backlink?

        Something like a 'forum farm'?

        Karan
        I'm pretty sure thats not what he's saying--he says its within existing forums. I think I've seen people do it here too and it exposes their stuff!
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        • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          No, I don't own the forums pages I post backlinks on.

          I start a new forum page for every new site I own, that way I can theme the entire page (title, h1, etc...) again not my forums.

          WF forums has the same pages, only they don't include the <h1> tag.

          It's well hidden.

          I wouldn't post my backlinks here anyways, lol, thousands of IMers looking to make $$
          OK. Something like blogs in the forums!

          OK.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nazbir.Bd
            Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

            OK. Something like blogs in the forums!

            OK.
            lols , that's a good catch Karan .

            Profile link building works and its working smoothly.
            There's a lot of people saying around that google will penalize this links or the rankings based on profile links will get vanished soon, I have a question for them - "On basis of which information they are saying this so strongly ??"

            Has Big G made any Press Conference that "We are going to penalize all Forum Profile Links" ????

            If you are smart just be a little bit careful when you are creating profile links , bring some variations , target some good forums on your special niche and it will work for you smoothly .

            And to add with this , blog commenting still works if you know how to do it.

            And to me spamming is something which is annoying for others .
            So what ever I do I keep it in my mind that I should not became a reason of annoyance for others.

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            • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
              Originally Posted by Nazbir.Bd View Post

              lols , that's a good catch Karan .

              Profile link building works and its working smoothly.
              There's a lot of people saying around that google will penalize this links or the rankings based on profile links will get vanished soon, I have a question for them - "On basis of which information they are saying this so strongly ??"

              Has Big G made any Press Conference that "We are going to penalize all Forum Profile Links" ????

              If you are smart just be a little bit careful when you are creating profile links , bring some variations , target some good forums on your special niche and it will work for you smoothly .

              And to add with this , blog commenting still works if you know how to do it.

              And to me spamming is something which is annoying for others .
              So what ever I do I keep it in my mind that I should not became a reason of annoyance for others.

              Nazbir
              Profile links work! And they work fast and good, if done with patience.

              If you go and register on 100 forums, all dofollow, with your link, then you'll probably hurt yourself.

              Blog commenting is somewhat tiresome for me. You have to find a relevant blog, read 2k words, think of something unusual to comment and wait for the approval. What a fag!

              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Ok, I'll tell you what it is.

              I hope I don't start something spammy, lol...

              It does deal with forum blogs, but not in the usual way.

              Your not posting blog pages to your forum blog, well you are but your not (If that makes any sense).

              Most Vbulletin forums include an option for members to have a simple forum/blog.

              One of the options on most of the Vbulletin forum/blogs is to post what they call "Blog Custom Pages". Now on most Vbulletin forums I post backlinks on, they include this as a hidden blog page, unless you dig deep, or know the direct url.

              Again, most of the forum/blogs I post on include 3 things, unlimited anchor-text, title-tag, <h1> tag. This is awesome because I can create a 100% relevant webpage in seconds, that has one-way dofollow anchor-text backlinks pointing back to my sites. You can't do this with the average forum member profile. I'm talking an entire page of content, anchor-text that is dofollow.

              I only deal with Vbulletin forums, most are setup very similar so it's easy to create new accounts & be posting ASAP!

              Here is how you find the forum/blog "Blog Custom Pages"

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              1) Go to the main forum/blog home-page that shows all the recent blog post from other members.

              2) Go to "Blog Control Panel" most times in the sidebar.

              3) Go to "Blog Custom Pages" most times in the sidebar.

              4) click the "Add Custom Page" button

              5) Create your webpage with keyword title, anchor-text etc...

              6) Don't forget to click the "Save" button

              7) Copy the forum/blog "Custom Page" url from your browser

              8) find your best high traffic, high PR dofollow site that you use for backlinks, & create a new backlink that only points back to your forum/blog "Custom Page"

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              When I post backlinks to my forum/blog custom pages (from the high PR site) I use the punctuation backlink trick, so you don't have everybody & their brother copying your every move (competition, etc...)

              Now, for each forum member they are allowed a max of 5 "Custom Pages", I use a single custom forum/blog page with my backlinks for an entire site that I own. So with one forum member profile I can supply backlinks to 5 of my own websites. Each page is 100% themed to the keyword/website that I own.

              From this long comment it looks like a lot of steps, but it's not anymore work/time than creating a single non-anchor-text backlink on a profile page.

              I can create an entire page of relevant content have it live & backlinked from a high PR site in less than 5min.

              My forum/blog custom pages are all cached by Google. That's the reason I backlink my backlinks forum pages, so G can find the forum custom pages fast.

              Most times I'm getting the forum custom page cached by G in less than 24 hours.
              Hmm. Cool.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I ain't saying nothing more but that that blogger made a big blooper in his analysis.
              Blooper?
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              • Profile picture of the author Nazbir.Bd
                Originally Posted by Karan Goel View Post

                Blog commenting is somewhat tiresome for me. You have to find a relevant blog, read 2k words, think of something unusual to comment and wait for the approval. What a fag!
                If you don't like commenting on blogs , thats ok , but you shouldn't call others fag !!


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                • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
                  Originally Posted by Nazbir.Bd View Post

                  If you don't like commenting on blogs , thats ok , but you shouldn't call others fag !!


                  Nazbir
                  Others? I said fag to blog commenting. And that's what I think.

                  Cheers.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Ok, I'll tell you what it is.

              I hope I don't start something spammy, lol...

              It does deal with forum blogs, but not in the usual way.

              Your not posting blog pages to your forum blog, well you are but your not (If that makes any sense).

              Most Vbulletin forums include an option for members to have a simple forum/blog.

              One of the options on most of the Vbulletin forum/blogs is to post what they call "Blog Custom Pages". Now on most Vbulletin forums I post backlinks on, they include this as a hidden blog page, unless you dig deep, or know the direct url.

              Again, most of the forum/blogs I post on include 3 things, unlimited anchor-text, title-tag, <h1> tag. This is awesome because I can create a 100% relevant webpage in seconds, that has one-way dofollow anchor-text backlinks pointing back to my sites. You can't do this with the average forum member profile. I'm talking an entire page of content, anchor-text that is dofollow.

              I only deal with Vbulletin forums, most are setup very similar so it's easy to create new accounts & be posting ASAP!

              Here is how you find the forum/blog "Blog Custom Pages"

              ************************************************** ***

              1) Go to the main forum/blog home-page that shows all the recent blog post from other members.

              2) Go to "Blog Control Panel" most times in the sidebar.

              3) Go to "Blog Custom Pages" most times in the sidebar.

              4) click the "Add Custom Page" button

              5) Create your webpage with keyword title, anchor-text etc...

              6) Don't forget to click the "Save" button

              7) Copy the forum/blog "Custom Page" url from your browser

              8) find your best high traffic, high PR dofollow site that you use for backlinks, & create a new backlink that only points back to your forum/blog "Custom Page"

              ************************************************** ***

              When I post backlinks to my forum/blog custom pages (from the high PR site) I use the punctuation backlink trick, so you don't have everybody & their brother copying your every move (competition, etc...)

              Now, for each forum member they are allowed a max of 5 "Custom Pages", I use a single custom forum/blog page with my backlinks for an entire site that I own. So with one forum member profile I can supply backlinks to 5 of my own websites. Each page is 100% themed to the keyword/website that I own.

              From this long comment it looks like a lot of steps, but it's not anymore work/time than creating a single non-anchor-text backlink on a profile page.

              I can create an entire page of relevant content have it live & backlinked from a high PR site in less than 5min.

              My forum/blog custom pages are all cached by Google. That's the reason I backlink my backlinks forum pages, so G can find the forum custom pages fast.

              Most times I'm getting the forum custom page cached by G in less than 24 hours.
              Do you just use old articles you've written for the content or make it unique?

              That's a great idea and something I'm going to add to my arsenal. I've always put a paragraph in my profiles just to add some in content to my links but this takes that to another level.

              I've got like 20 or 30 articles at Ezine that I could use for this as well.

              Thanks for the tip dude.
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Ok, I'll tell you what it is.
              Thanks for this tip!

              I checked 5 random vB forums I use for backlinks, and none seems to have this blog option. I did not see it in UserCP. Either it is well hidden, or simply rare option.

              I am also wondering where you source the content. Is it just a paragraph from your website / article / blogpost?

              Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author JWilson
    Spammy backlinking goes on in all niches and will likely continue to happen... there is only so much Google can control and there will always be ways to game the engines. If they could manually review every site then it may be different, but the algorithm isn't nearly as sophisticated as one might think.
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    • Profile picture of the author docsulo
      Originally Posted by JWilson View Post

      Spammy backlinking goes on in all niches and will likely continue to happen... there is only so much Google can control and there will always be ways to game the engines. If they could manually review every site then it may be different, but the algorithm isn't nearly as sophisticated as one might think.
      Thing is they don't use just an algorithm and they DO have people manually reviewing pages on sites. They use LIVE PEOPLE to check pages for spam, relevance, etc. and they do it on a MASSIVE SCALE.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by docsulo View Post

        Thing is they don't use just an algorithm and they DO have people manually reviewing pages on sites. They use LIVE PEOPLE to check pages for spam, relevance, etc. and they do it on a MASSIVE SCALE.
        Maybe in terms of actual web pages looked at by reviewers, but certainly not in terms of pages indexed. In any event, they seem pre-occupied with other things, like creating the joke that is called Google Instant.
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        • Profile picture of the author docsulo
          Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

          Maybe in terms of actual web pages looked at by reviewers, but certainly not in terms of pages indexed. In any event, they seem pre-occupied with other things, like creating the joke that is called Google Instant.
          That's accurate. I posted too fast. I suppose even with the website reviewers it would be tough to figure out back link spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
        Originally Posted by docsulo View Post

        Thing is they don't use just an algorithm and they DO have people manually reviewing pages on sites. They use LIVE PEOPLE to check pages for spam, relevance, etc. and they do it on a MASSIVE SCALE.
        As much spam, and relevance as they can spot in a 30 second quality review. I'm not very certain how much they actually review. From what I've read and heard, it's a look and feel type thing. Meaning if your website looks spammy or doesn't meet a specified set of standards at first glance then it's gone. If it does meet those specs, it moves on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by DaveJohnson View Post

      Spammy links are just for a short time happiness. LIke what Google have noticed before they have made a new algo that give penalties to those comments that only says "great post", "thanks for the post" something like that. I'm sure they will also noticed these spammy links and will turn then down soon. Still nothing can get high quality manual linking.
      Sweet! So in order to completely demolish my competition I need to go build backlinks to their sites from blog comments that say, 'great post' and 'thanks for the post'?

      Great new anti-seo method right there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by DaveJohnson View Post

      Spammy links are just for a short time happiness. LIke what Google have noticed before they have made a new algo that give penalties to those comments that only says "great post", "thanks for the post" something like that. I'm sure they will also noticed these spammy links and will turn then down soon. Still nothing can get high quality manual linking.
      For the 18th time in this post, Google will not penalize. They might devalue, but they wont' penalize. why can't people get that through their thick skulls. If you don't believe me, i'll give you a list of my sites and you can comment to blogs with "great post" on every single one of them and see where that gets me.
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  • Profile picture of the author likesaSwirly
    I have quite a bit of experience with forums and dealing with spam. Here is some advice I have for anyone planning on spamming. Yes you can get a boost by spamming your links randomly. But if you do it on a large scale and don't do it by hand / post different content in each place *ie do it the right way*, it will most likely catch up to you.

    It is fairly easy for webmasters to find and discover spam on their sites. Eventually you may discover that your links have been removed and you have been blocked from a lot of these sites.

    Search engines are smart and might one day deal with these massive spammers, as they should. I mean how hard would it be for them to detect 10,000 links on various forums that all say something like "Hi, I hope that I posted this in the right forum, if not I am sorry but please move it to the proper spot. Can you please review my website blahblahblahDOTcom"

    Anyway I hope that some of you understand what I am trying to say, spamming can get you ahead of the game for the short term but don't expect the links to be stable and it can come haunt you in the future.

    Pure spam is really only advisable for black hat projects and throw away domains in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by likesaSwirly View Post

      But if you do it on a large scale and don't do it by hand / post different content in each place *ie do it the right way*, it will most likely catch up to you.
      Actually with the way some automation works these days, the only difference between automation and "manual" is the speed. I'm not sure why to some automation=evil, and manual=good.

      Originally Posted by likesaSwirly View Post

      It is fairly easy for webmasters to find and discover spam on their sites. Eventually you may discover that your links have been removed and you have been blocked from a lot of these sites.
      That is why it is good to always keep track of previously placed links. The vast majority of webmasters are not as gung-ho as you. Hell, there are always other fish in the massive internet sea.

      Originally Posted by likesaSwirly View Post

      Search engines are smart and might one day deal with these massive spammers, as they should. I mean how hard would it be for them to detect 10,000 links on various forums that all say something like "Hi, I hope that I posted this in the right forum, if not I am sorry but please move it to the proper spot. Can you please review my website blahblahblahDOTcom"
      How long as blog comment spam been around? ...probably since the very first blog. Does blog comment spam still work? Yep. Google seems to be more pre-occupied with doing things like creating Google Instant

      Originally Posted by likesaSwirly View Post

      Anyway I hope that some of you understand what I am trying to say, spamming can get you ahead of the game for the short term but don't expect the links to be stable and it can come haunt you in the future.
      If by "haunt you in the future" you mean "have a lesser or no value", i'm OK with that statement. If you mean penalties, than nope.

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    If anyone wants to penalize my sites with blog commenting and forum posting, just PM me and I will give you some URLs. I'm in the mood to take a drop in rankings, I already make too much money.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Of course it does work, although Google is trying its best to clamp down.

    Interview with a link spammer ? The Register

    Sam's code gets hundreds of open proxies to obediently spam blogs and other sites with the messages he wants posted. They usually target comments to old posts, so they won't show up to people reading the latest ones, though search engine spiders will spot them and index them. And here's the surprising thing: link spamming is not outsourced. These people do it on their own behalf. (Does this mean it's an immature business? Reg readers please advise.)

    Here's why. When Sam spams tons of blogs and sites with links to his sites - which are affiliates of bigger PPC sites - people see the links and, seeking some porn, pills or casino action, click through to his site, and from there to the parent site, which pays Sam for each person landing there. The PPC sites can see revenues of £100,000 to £200,000 per month, says Sam. He gets a slice of that - and he wants it to stay that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Of course it does work, although Google is trying its best to clamp down.

      Interview with a link spammer ? The Register

      Sam's code gets hundreds of open proxies to obediently spam blogs and other sites with the messages he wants posted. They usually target comments to old posts, so they won't show up to people reading the latest ones, though search engine spiders will spot them and index them. And here's the surprising thing: link spamming is not outsourced. These people do it on their own behalf. (Does this mean it's an immature business? Reg readers please advise.)

      Here's why. When Sam spams tons of blogs and sites with links to his sites - which are affiliates of bigger PPC sites - people see the links and, seeking some porn, pills or casino action, click through to his site, and from there to the parent site, which pays Sam for each person landing there. The PPC sites can see revenues of £100,000 to £200,000 per month, says Sam. He gets a slice of that - and he wants it to stay that way.
      Great article there. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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    Anything worth doing just to get a noticed by search engines is worth doing. I guess spamming that way is not that bad...
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