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14 years ago

Page rank means nothing when it comes to SERP position. I have a 0 PR site outranking a PR5 and I am sure higher PR sites are behind me too, I don't have time to look.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

Page rank means nothing when it comes to SERP position.

That is flat out wrong. Sure you can outrank a page with higher PR but only because it is not targeting the same keywords you are. If on page SEO and keywords in the anchor text are the same a PR5 page it will spank your PR O like a puppy that just bit the baby. People forget that PR is derived from the quality of the backlinks that were there the last update its not some arbitrary number. You ought to know this as an SEO guy. Overstatements just confuse newbies or give them the entirely wrong impression.

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jimkirk1943

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

That is flat out wrong. Sure you can outrank a page with higher PR but only because it is not targeting the same keywords you are. If on page SEO and keywords in the anchor text are the same a PR5 page it will spank your PR O like a puppy that just bit the baby. People forget that PR is derived from the quality of the backlinks that were there the last update its not some arbitrary number. You ought to know this as an SEO guy. Overstatements just confuse newbies or give them the entirely wrong impression.

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Jordan Kovats

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

That is flat out wrong. Sure you can outrank a page with higher PR but only because it is not targeting the same keywords you are. If on page SEO and keywords in the anchor text are the same a PR5 page it will spank your PR O like a puppy that just bit the baby. People forget that PR is derived from the quality of the backlinks that were there the last update its not some arbitrary number. You ought to know this as an SEO guy. Overstatements just confuse newbies or give them the entirely wrong impression.

So, when I had a site built 2 years ago, before I knew anything about SEO, that had 0, yes ZERO inbound links, and the site had a PR of 2 once indexed. So tell me how then PR is being derived from quality of back links?

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

So, when I had a site built 2 years ago, before I knew anything about SEO, that had 0, yes ZERO inbound links, and the site had a PR of 2 once indexed. So tell me how then PR is being derived from quality of back links?

If you didn't know anything about SEO, how did you know how to properly check your backlinks?:rolleyes: Just because you didn't build any backlinks yourself, doesn't mean the domain didn't have any backlinks.

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Jordan Kovats

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

If you didn't know anything about SEO, how did you know how to properly check your backlinks?:rolleyes: Just because you didn't build any backlinks yourself, doesn't mean the domain didn't have any backlinks.

I knew how to check backlinks through sources such as yahoo site explorer, webmaster tools, etc. Once the site was indexed, I had a PR2 within 2 weeks. Must have been around an update. Regardless. It was a 60+ page, content heavy site with many internl links. I had not begun my first waste of time, which was directory submission. I had random pieces of information, that were not made clear to me until about a year ago, and since then, I haven't looked back.

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KEY 14 years ago

before plates and chairs start getting thrown ....

from my experience...

while PR is partly influenced by the keyword 'focus'
of that page AND the pages linking in? it is not tagged
directly as such. as in: you do not say "my front page
is PR 3 for keyword xyz, but is only PR 1 for keyword
abc."

so how can you compare it PR to a SERPage? this is
apples and oranges! or at least oranges and tangerines?

if a page is PR3, and you are 'beating' it in the SERPs
for a certain keyword? then it is more likely that that
page is more focused on a related phrase and not that
actual keyword.

off the top of my head: if a page was PR 3, and was
ranking well for "green hand axes" , another site was
about "hand axes", but was PR 0? if you searched for
just "hand axes" the PR 0 should have a better SERP
position than the PR 3 as it would only be 66% relevant
to the search "hand axes" because of the "green"

now if you had 2 sites targeting "green hand axes" and
one was PR3 and the other PR 0, generally the PR 3 should
rank better...but it does seem that a low PR site with
a lot (more) of relevant backlinks will trump a higher PR
site that is aquiring it's PR from only a few high PR
in-bounds. (more 'friends' basically)

... but not always, as sometimes the age of the domain,
the size of the site, the loading speed, and possibly the
phase of the moon. :p are factors.

I generally think that worrying over these things is a
waste of time. just too many factors to manage. if there
are enough monthly searches? I will take a stab at
nailing some of the traffic...

KEY (eric)
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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

That is flat out wrong. Sure you can outrank a page with higher PR but only because it is not targeting the same keywords you are. If on page SEO and keywords in the anchor text are the same a PR5 page it will spank your PR O like a puppy that just bit the baby. People forget that PR is derived from the quality of the backlinks that were there the last update its not some arbitrary number. You ought to know this as an SEO guy. Overstatements just confuse newbies or give them the entirely wrong impression.

Mike,

You are contradicting yourself.

You are stating that the backlinks matter for SERP rankings, not the PR (as the PR is derived from the backlinks, which may or may not help with the SERP rankings depending on the factors associated with those backlinks).

At the end of the day, PR doesn't matter, it is the backlinks that matter and that we should care about. Throw the PR out the window.

If .com domains, on average, had more and better backlinks than .net domains, .com domains wouldn't rank better because they were .com domains, they would rank better because they had more backlinks.

Tom

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Ehsan_am

14 years ago

Obviously PR doesn't play any role in ranking your website however it can be an indication of amount backlinks pointing to that page. Nevertheless very often you find a page with almost no backlinks with a PR 2 or 3. this is mainly because of some on site interlinking. Are those PR 2-3 websites an article on a web 2.0 proprety?

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nettech

14 years ago

Agree with theSEOguys but just to make sure, take a look at the number of pages linking into the domain and ensure you carry out a bit of due diligence. PR alone is not a measure of if you can outrank a site or not.

I'd install SEO for Firefox of SEO Quake and take a quick look at the top 10 to gauge things like age, domain PR, page PR, incoming links to the domain and page etc.

Hope that helps.
Zaheer

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paulgl 14 years ago

PR does play a very important role. I seriously wish people would do
research and find what it does in the google SERP game. I'm too
tired to keep doing it, however. Why do you think google has pagerank?
For the heck of it?
http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html

You never know how easy any site is to beat. Never. You do not
in any way, shape, or form, know anything about the owner, the
authority, the history, whatever, that google may or not give
to it. We don't know your history, your authority, what you plan
to do, where you plan to do it...

Nobody can ever tell you to do a,b, then c, and there ya go!

Yours (and theirs) sites are not in vacuums. The search game is dynamic.
Not static. What you perceive your competition to be today, may not
be your competition tomorrow.

Do as many good things as humanly possible for your chosen keywords
and keep on keeping on. There are no guarantees.

"How easy" questions are pure speculation.

Paul
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bonkgo

14 years ago

Would inbound links be a better gauge as too whether or not you can beat a site in SERP?

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Jordan Kovats

14 years ago

Not necessarily. You could have a 1000 inbound links from junk sites, and a couple from fantastic sites, and those couple will be better than the 1000. Inbound links is a combination of quality and quantity. Just to say Site x with 10,000 links will out rank Site y with 5,000 is not true.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bonkgo

Would inbound links be a better gauge as too whether or not you can beat a site in SERP?

Originally Posted by theseoguys

Not necessarily. You could have a 1000 inbound links from junk sites, and a couple from fantastic sites, and those couple will be better than the 1000. Inbound links is a combination of quality and quantity. Just to say Site x with 10,000 links will out rank Site y with 5,000 is not true.

I think you are misreading bonkgo.

He didn't say the NUMBER of inbound links, he just said the inbound links would be a better gauge, which is an entirely accurate statement. When one doesn't state a specific factor relating to X and said person just says "x", all of the relevant factors of X are implied.

Tom

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Jordan Kovats

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

I think you are misreading bonkgo.

He didn't say the NUMBER of inbound links, he just said the inbound links would be a better gauge, which is an entirely accurate statement. When one doesn't state a specific factor relating to X and said person just says "x", all of the relevant factors of X are implied.

Tom

I maybe misread inititially. I agree with you in principle Tom, our brains may work differently, hence the different way of explaining things. All I have ever used inbound links from other sites, is just a guage as to how much work I have ahead of me. I don't let it discourage me. inbound links have always been a combination of quality and quantity, and I think we can agree on that.

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jtpada

14 years ago

@fated82

There is more to the competition´s PR when you want to determine if you can beat them:

- check if the competing sites have the keyword you will tackle in their url
- check if they have it in the site title
- check if they have the keyword in page titles

If not, you are good and won´t have a problem to outrank them.

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jimkirk1943

14 years ago

Originally Posted by fated82

Hi all,

I have found a keyword with most competitors on PR 2-3 (1 site is 0 PR while 2 sites with PR6).

Do you think it's easy to create a new niche site and rank on the first page with such a competition?

It could be done i bet but just off the top of my head without knowing the sites your talking about that does seem like a lot of work to beat these sites.

But with the right backlinking and other SEO you might be able to do it but the competition does sound fairly strong to beat so your backlinking would need to be quite strong and to do that you would need a domain thats aged more then just a few months i find that domains 1 year plus can take strong backlinking or else your site could be penalised and out the serps for months if you dont know what your doing.

If your really just starting out i might not go for this with the PR6 ect ect in the top ten but hey its up to you no better way to learn.

jim

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Ken Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by fated82

Hi all,

I have found a keyword with most competitors on PR 2-3 (1 site is 0 PR while 2 sites with PR6).

Do you think it's easy to create a new niche site and rank on the first page with such a competition?

If it is easy, then the return probably is not very much.
Most have to work hard to get something of quality.
So screw the competition's PR, but how much are you willing to work to get what you want? If it has to be easy, then it probably isn't worth pursuing.

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Suka

14 years ago

I have a site on number 2 beating 4 PR5's (the product website itself haha) and 2 other PR4's and i have a 0PR. Its all about the backlinks and KW relevancy..

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Wi

14 years ago

It matters!!
Link: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ter-serps.html

Simple as that!

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Tom Goodwin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Wi

It matters!!
Link: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ter-serps.html

Simple as that!

As I noted in your thread, no it doesn't Backlinks matter, not the PR.
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sax.sunny

14 years ago

In my opinion, Only PR isn't the factor to rank on a first page of Google for any keyword.

There are a lot of factors you need to consider. So, it wouldn't be fair to say YES or NO based on just PageRank.

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