New google keyword tool is just ridiculous

@ ethanpol - No tool provide a correct or an exact data. All of them provide just an estimate.

It's always advisable to use a combination of tools and use an average of all.

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BigDaddys101 14 years ago

That is one hell of a number jump.

But I have to say the last few weeks Google exact counts vs Estimated ctr for 1st position has been right on time. To me the new Google tool is more accurate than it has ever been. Don't forget about Google's new instant feature.

This feature auto fills search's based on what your typing, IMO instant makes internet advertising a more commercial process leaving the advantage to people that actually have the money to spend on the keywords. And making it so much harder for us nubz.

Have you tried "apartments for rent in amsterdam" or "rentals in amsterdam"? I think if someone was looking for a rental with Google instant on they would most likely search these keywords instead of "apartments amsterdam"
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Brad Callen

14 years ago

There is going to be more searches than that on mobile alone!

Checking out the keyword in insights and it shows it is consistently popular and apartments in amsterdam is the most popular!

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giseo

14 years ago

does the new tool automatically give you an exact match? i can't see if there is a menu for broad and exact searches ...

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netmatrix 14 years ago

Originally Posted by giseo

does the new tool automatically give you an exact match? i can't see if there is a menu for broad and exact searches ...

The default search is based on broad keywords. You can select the match type from the menu on the left side of the screen.
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- giseo 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by netmatrix
  
  The default search is based on broad keywords. You can select the match type from the menu on the left side of the screen.
  
  see they moved it thanks.
  
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monkeygirl

14 years ago

I have found Google's keyword tool to be quite inaccurate myself ...

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netmatrix 14 years ago

Originally Posted by monkeygirl

I have found Google's keyword tool to be quite inaccurate myself ...

There's a quite a few discussions in the forums right now that the new tool is more accurate lately, but yes, I have witnessed some major inaccuracies at times.
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pauljyron

14 years ago

market samurai is much better

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netmatrix 14 years ago

Originally Posted by pauljyron

market samurai is much better

Market Samurai gets its data from the Google Keyword Tool.
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- Tom Goodwin 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by netmatrix
  
  Market Samurai gets its data from the Google Keyword Tool.
  
  faceplant. Perhaps some though MS had some super secret source for data:rolleyes:
  
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  Charles Harper 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin
  
  faceplant. Perhaps some though MS had some super secret source for data:rolleyes:
  
  So can we still trust MS?
  
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  netmatrix 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Charles Harper
  
  So can we still trust MS?
  
  CT
  
  Maybe the question should be...can we trust Google?
  
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freddy smith

14 years ago

i cannot access old google keyword right now, ? anyone can?

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FredJones 14 years ago

Looks like they have finally really taken it away. After they had introduced the new tool, the old one used to be here: https://adwords.google.com/select/Ke...rceLegacy=true

I tried now, but it did not work - it just redirected me to the new one.

Originally Posted by freddy smith

i cannot access old google keyword right now, ? anyone can?
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petercrouch

14 years ago

Google didn't show correct results

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skoh

14 years ago

did they really take away the old or previous interface?

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rypher21

14 years ago

dont just rely on one tool..use another one so you could compare the results

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miranon 14 years ago

Originally Posted by rypher21

dont just rely on one tool..use another one so you could compare the results

What other tool do you recommend?
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customsignsbanner

Banned 14 years ago

well this was surely enough a fail...

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RioNomad

14 years ago

I think the search volume is so low because you spelled "apartment" wrong.

kidding.

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miranon 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RioNomad

I think the search volume is so low because you spelled "apartment" wrong.

It's a localized search in Netherlands.
apartments = appartementen
homes = woningen

It's only an example. I have researched like 50 keywords, and they all dropped very heavily. Sometimes like 90-95% of the old traffic was gone.
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lstoops 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RioNomad

I think the search volume is so low because you spelled "apartment" wrong.

kidding.

LOL - that was funny!

As far as I'm concerned Google will always have the best data to go off of. Most keyword tools get their data from Google anyway. Why? They are the largest search engine with most of the market share...sooo whatyagonnado?
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

There is no other source for Google searches but Google. All of the tools pull from the same data. Some pull from other search sites but since google is the most popular search engine they are a better gauge.

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erazer

14 years ago

The new search results (and the old ones too for that matter) were never accurate but the new tool is way off on the low side. I'm basing this on some of my sites that have the top positions in the serps and which uniformly receive as many searches (exact) in 3-4 days as Google says they should in a month--if I got 100% of the clicks.

The broad results are closer but still off by a factor of 2 it seems. The sites in question are 3 each in #1, 2, and 3 positions with an estimated 56%, 13% & 9% of the clicks/impressions respectively per Google's SERP click distribution chart.

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Tommy Perez

14 years ago

100% agree...the new tool sucks a lot!

Plus...I find it kinda irritating with the captcha thing before you can actually use the tool...

I mean, the old one had a captcha...but it just felt smoother you know...

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seba7619

14 years ago

Hey Guys,

This is why the results are so low now:

"In addition to these improvements, we’ve also changed how we calculate Global Monthly Searches and Local Monthly Searches. Statistics in these columns are now based on Google.com search traffic only. Previously, they also included traffic from search partners. We've updated these statistics based on advertiser feedback, and hope you find them more helpful for keyword selection."

It sucks, looks we'll just have to manage.

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BigDaddys101

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

faceplant. Perhaps some though MS had some super secret source for data:rolleyes:

LOL, Tom thats twice in the last couple days you got a chuckle out of me

Originally Posted by netmatrix

There's a quite a few discussions in the forums right now that the new tool is more accurate lately, but yes, I have witnessed some major inaccuracies at times.

I am sticking with my theory, but I live in the US. The tool is far more accurate now than it has ever been. Based on estimated ctr for first place I have the statistics to prove it

Originally Posted by Tommy Perez

100% agree...the new tool sucks a lot!
I mean, the old one had a captcha...but it just felt smoother you know...

If you have an adwords account and log in under that name there is no captcha

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Tommy Perez

14 years ago

Looking at it now more closely...the new tool does give us a lot more data to play with like ad share/search share.

And many more filters.

But I must say I'm surprised at some of the search volume numbers...I mean one term I had kept in mind for a possible project just decreased from over 1M/month to just 250,000/month.

Kinda weird.

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kyleb

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tommy Perez

Looking at it now more closely...the new tool does give us a lot more data to play with like ad share/search share.

And many more filters.

But I must say I'm surprised at some of the search volume numbers...I mean one term I had kept in mind for a possible project just decreased from over 1M/month to just 250,000/month.

Kinda weird.

Just read Seba's answer to get the lowdon on why the varying results:

Originally Posted by seba7619

Hey Guys,

This is why the results are so low now:

"In addition to these improvements, we’ve also changed how we calculate Global Monthly Searches and Local Monthly Searches. Statistics in these columns are now based on Google.com search traffic only. Previously, they also included traffic from search partners. We've updated these statistics based on advertiser feedback, and hope you find them more helpful for keyword selection."

It sucks, looks we'll just have to manage.

So it looks like the results now may be more accurate but I think they should bring back the simplicity of the old Tool.

Also what I mean is more accurate in the sense that the searches are "supposedly" what is being searched for only through Google.com. But that really doesn't give you an entirely accurate estimate of how many searches there are a month for that particular keyword. Google has lots of search partners and if you take a look at any of your search results data you will see people are coming from all over, like aol.com to name one. So it will be interesting to see how this is going to affect what keywords people go after.

Anyhow it ain't gonna change so looks like we all just have to deal with it.

I don't use Google Keyword tool for my in depth research but it is nice if I just want to check some numbers really fast. Also works well when showing my clients search volume for their keywords. Only most of them have no clue you really need to view the exact match results to get a good estimate of the search volume.

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TheAdsenseGuy 14 years ago

[QUOTE=seba7619;2645210]"In addition to these improvements, we’ve also changed how we calculate Global Monthly Searches and Local Monthly Searches. Statistics in these columns are now based on Google.com search traffic only. Previously, they also included traffic from search partners. We've updated these statistics based on advertiser feedback, and hope you find them more helpful for keyword selection."[QUOTE]

This makes perfect sense. I build a lot of websites and many times (20%) I'll get a website to the top of page one of Google and despite the fact the Google keyword tool had originally told me the keyword gets 5000 searches per month using Exact Match, the website gets no traffic!!

So I went and checked these keywords in the Google Keyword Tool again today, and sure enough, previously (couple months ago) Google keyword tool said the keyword gets 5000 searches per month (exact match). Now, it says it gets 880 searches per month (exact match).

So based on going through about 50 of my sites I can tell you that the New Google keyword tool data is correct. The old data was wrong.

Thanks Google for wasting so much of my time with your B.S. keyword tool! I've probably built about 30 websites based on faulty keyword research that get no traffic.
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terrapurus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by miranon

The drop from 246k to 260 is just crazy and unbelievable. The new google keyword tool doesn't make sense at all.

Its not 246000. It is 246 but is showing 3 decimal places for some reason. Commas are separators in numbers (you can see that in use in the PPC price). But full stops are universal.

There is nothing wrong with the data.

(If the .000 was a bug, it obviously was cleaned up in the new version).

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BigDaddys101

14 years ago

Originally Posted by terrapurus

Its not 246000. It is 246 but is showing 3 decimal places for some reason. Commas are separators in numbers (you can see that in use in the PPC price). But full stops are universal.

There is nothing wrong with the data.

(If the .000 was a bug, it obviously was cleaned up in the new version).

LOL, wow your right too, and the only one that caught it

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Fraggler

14 years ago

Originally Posted by terrapurus

Its not 246000. It is 246 but is showing 3 decimal places for some reason. Commas are separators in numbers (you can see that in use in the PPC price). But full stops are universal.

There is nothing wrong with the data.

(If the .000 was a bug, it obviously was cleaned up in the new version).

The Netherlands use a decimal point as the digit grouping separator. The first group of values are right (> 100,000).

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freddy smith

14 years ago

sorry, wrong thread posting
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lexilexi

14 years ago

Funny, I just posted on this exact topic, then I saw this thread. Great, Google's previous statistics were BS, and from the looks of the comments, so are their new ones. Yup, I too have built a mountain of content based on their flawed data. I guess it's a rough indicator but shouldn't be taken too literally.

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stephane

14 years ago

I'm sure we will be going to guess on the keywords soon as Google adwords tool is giving inaccurate results. I experienced a similar issue with a keyword having about 40,000 exact local volume traffic per month and when bidding on the keyword in my adwords account the traffic estimator tool said "Not enough traffic"

I also noticed very different results in the adwords tool for the same keyword in the same day.

Personally I'm going to run to Yahoo, MSN, Facebook and MySpace.

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Zeb

14 years ago

Well i do believe that the new gakt is more accurate. Like some others, i have sites that ranked top 3 in google for a phrase that supposedly gets 3k searches per month (old version) but i'm getting hardly that traffic. New tool gives me approximately 1k a month and that is more of what i'm experiencing with my sites. It's an improvement if u asked me.

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14 years ago

Market samurai may can help better I think.

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waterman262

14 years ago

market samurai won't help any more at estimating this. Really at the end of the day, take all this as an estimate of how much traffic is available. You should be evaluating a bunch of other factors first when evaluating a niche.

If you really need to know, i recommend writing a horrible ad for the product in adwords that will get 0 clicks, but then bid high so it at least gets displayed on page 1 for a day. take that number and multiply by 30.

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jeffjohnson

14 years ago

Yeah..i agreed the previous interface of google kw tool was pity much user friendly and showing correct results..Although, i did not face the problem as mentioned above still i dont like the interface..

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Ian25 14 years ago

So basically we are stuck with the "new" google keyword tool.
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Domenic Carlson

14 years ago

You can always use multiple tools and average the results. I do this because I never trust any one source. Also, it's better to use these as either ranges or relative traffic (one term has more than another).

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New google keyword tool is just ridiculous

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