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Lot of backlinks but no rank

by alaltaieri
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I used a linkbuilding strategy based on senuke + xrumer. I created a pyramidal structure with money site(cb product)-tier1-tier2.
I used:
article submissions
directory submissions
rss feed submissions
forum signatures
blog commenting

I blasted with xrumer only tier2 web 2.0 sites
This happened in about 2-3 weeks.
This is the result from market samurai: (my website is first)



Still, I am on the second page of google for my primary keyword and on the 3rd page for other 2 keywords. This is my first project and I don't have much experience.My question is. why I am not on the first page yet ? because of the small number of pages of my domain indexed by google ? (only 7)
#backlinks #lot #rank
  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    How old is the site, how much unique content is on it, how is it setup, how is it optimized... these are just a few more things you need to consider.

    Shannon
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    • Profile picture of the author TIPSY TOES
      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      How old is the site, how much unique content is on it, how is it setup, how is it optimized... these are just a few more things you need to consider.

      Shannon
      how do i get backlinks, have a site but im stuck with getting it seen
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      • Profile picture of the author adenclark
        Originally Posted by TIPSY TOES View Post

        how do i get backlinks, have a site but im stuck with getting it seen
        You can start off with writing articles and submitting them to ezine articles and go articles. Ensure you use your keyword as anchor text within your backlink.

        Or you can outsource it and find an seo company.
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  • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
    the site is 1 month ago. is 100% unique content, seo optimized with keywords and few plugins.is a one page clickbank money site with a "real story" (wordpress)
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      That's your problem, you site is thin on content.

      Build some pages around some LSI keywords and related topics, show Google your not only trying to make sales.

      This is why many people who do MFA sites never rank well, thin on content.

      Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

      the site is 1 month ago. is 100% unique content, seo optimized with keywords and few plugins.is a one page clickbank money site with a "real story" (wordpress)
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  • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
    you are the funny guy ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    You'll be fine if you keep up your link placement frequency and slowly trail off. Whatever you do, don't STOP building links after you've been so aggressive. I've had sites dive off the first 100 results after being on the 1st/2nd page of Google doing that.

    As far as your progress, that's not bad at all. Sometimes it's pretty instant, sometimes a couple or a few weeks, and sometimes even months. Anyone who says "do this and you'll always hit the front page in x amount of time" is not telling you the truth. Sometimes Google wants to see consistency over time before giving your site the almost 'permanent' boost.
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    • Profile picture of the author maesil
      Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

      You'll be fine if you keep up your link placement frequency and slowly trail off. Whatever you do, don't STOP building links after you've been so aggressive. I've had sites dive off the first 100 results after being on the 1st/2nd page of Google doing that.

      As far as your progress, that's not bad at all. Sometimes it's pretty instant, sometimes a couple or a few weeks, and sometimes even months. Anyone who says "do this and you'll always hit the front page in x amount of time" is not telling you the truth. Sometimes Google wants to see consistency over time before giving your site the almost 'permanent' boost.
      Google does want to see long term consistency and that's why I want to share with another really good tip. Make sure you only get links from sites that have relevant keywords as your site does. You should never compete with sites that have nothing to do with your industry. Also, never link with a webpage or website that looks like it won't be around forever. You want webmasters that are Always updating their website with fresh and unique content.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianeBrandt
    Are you using the keywords? How new is your website? How's your on page optimization?
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    For a new domain, it usually takes about 1 - 4 months to rank in the 1st page of Google. Also if you used xrumer, it's going to create thousands of backlinks instantly. I don't know if you pinged all your backlinks but a big surge of backlinks like that wouldn't put your site in the 1st page right away. You need to wait a while.

    The question is were you able to use "exact" anchor text as your backlinks? If not, it's not going to help your ranking significantly.

    Hope that helps.

    Joe
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    • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
      Originally Posted by Super Affiliate View Post

      For a new domain, it usually takes about 1 - 4 months to rank in the 1st page of Google. Also if you used xrumer, it's going to create thousands of backlinks instantly. I don't know if you pinged all your backlinks but a big surge of backlinks like that wouldn't put your site in the 1st page right away. You need to wait a while.



      The question is were you able to use "exact" anchor text as your backlinks? If not, it's not going to help your ranking significantly.

      Hope that helps.

      Joe

      I didn't used xrumer for blasting my main site. I blasted other sites from the pyramid.
      And yes, I used variation of the keyword in my anchor text as backlinks

      Originally Posted by DianeBrandt View Post

      Are you using the keywords? How new is your website? How's your on page optimization?
      look at my previous post

      Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

      You'll be fine if you keep up your link placement frequency and slowly trail off. Whatever you do, don't STOP building links after you've been so aggressive. I've had sites dive off the first 100 results after being on the 1st/2nd page of Google doing that.

      As far as your progress, that's not bad at all. Sometimes it's pretty instant, sometimes a couple or a few weeks, and sometimes even months. Anyone who says "do this and you'll always hit the front page in x amount of time" is not telling you the truth. Sometimes Google wants to see consistency over time before giving your site the almost 'permanent' boost.
      ok.thanks for the advice
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    • Profile picture of the author maesil
      Originally Posted by Super Affiliate View Post

      For a new domain, it usually takes about 1 - 4 months to rank in the 1st page of Google. Also if you used xrumer, it's going to create thousands of backlinks instantly. I don't know if you pinged all your backlinks but a big surge of backlinks like that wouldn't put your site in the 1st page right away. You need to wait a while.

      The question is were you able to use "exact" anchor text as your backlinks? If not, it's not going to help your ranking significantly.

      Hope that helps.

      Joe
      A good way to ping your backlinks and anchortext link outbound that point to another relevant site is to use a blog on the same domain. I recommend you read everything you can about SEO for your webpages.
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      • Profile picture of the author unbrokenspirit
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        That's your problem, you site is thin on content.

        Build some pages around some LSI keywords and related topics, show Google your not only trying to make sales.

        This is why many people who do MFA sites never rank well, thin on content.
        that's it
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  • Profile picture of the author fuzzynono
    I agree about not letting your link building frequency get too wild. I had a site drop out of google for like two weeks awhile ago. I'm pretty sure it was because I built a ton of links in one day and then stopped completely for a week or so. Slow and steady wins the race, so maybe just try building 5 to 20 links each day. If you build decent links, then over time you'll definitely see your site bubble up to the top.
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    • Profile picture of the author maesil
      Originally Posted by fuzzynono View Post

      I agree about not letting your link building frequency get too wild. I had a site drop out of google for like two weeks awhile ago. I'm pretty sure it was because I built a ton of links in one day and then stopped completely for a week or so. Slow and steady wins the race, so maybe just try building 5 to 20 links each day. If you build decent links, then over time you'll definitely see your site bubble up to the top.
      Certainly consistency plays a key role in ranking a site onto any search engine, mainly Google, but you must also take into account the quality of your links. You should never link a site that has to do with shoes to a site about babies, UNless it is general shoes linking to a site about "baby shoes."

      Google is very conscious about relevancy and timing. You can also use ping services to tell search engine bots to crawl your website more often. But only ping your site after you make a new webpage.
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Build a bigger site. On average, sites in p1 have atleast 100 pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
      Originally Posted by terrapurus View Post

      Build a bigger site. On average, sites in p1 have atleast 100 pages.

      My money site is a wordpress blog with a "real story" post. What kind of pages I can add more ?
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      • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
        Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

        My money site is a wordpress blog with a "real story" post. What kind of pages I can add more ?
        Take ideas from your competition. Realistically, 7 pages is only going to be able to rank so well because it can only hold so much page rank. Look how many pages your competition has.

        As for the 'real story' post ... is it one of those "I had this problem but solved it when I found this solution" posts? Do you make it clear that it is an an advertisement and not a genuine testimonial piece? If not (if you are in the US or have US business focued sites), I would suggest reading the FTC guidelines. It's all fun and games until they turn up on your doorstep with a tube of KY and a big rubber glove.

        Actually, I thing the KY is just a rumour ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Adriana Copaceanu
        Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

        My money site is a wordpress blog with a "real story" post. What kind of pages I can add more ?
        Take some of your secondary keyword phrases and write articles around those.

        If it's a wordpress blog, it's easy to add these pages and add links to your main page (stick your "story" on the home page).

        Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
          Originally Posted by Adriana Copaceanu View Post

          Take some of your secondary keyword phrases and write articles around those.

          If it's a wordpress blog, it's easy to add these pages and add links to your main page (stick your "story" on the home page).

          Good luck!
          Thanks Adriana. If i add more pages with other articles but I don't want to add links to this pages, is this a problem with google ? I mean, I just want my site to look like a personal blog with one page.

          I'm thinking to create content using spinners like TBS and post some spinned articles with over 40% unique content in new pages. But many times, automatic spinners can make the text unreadable. And that's why I don't want to have links to my other pages who are not 100% readable

          Is this a good/safe ideea ?
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          • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
            Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

            Thanks Adriana. If i add more pages with other articles but I don't want to add links to this pages, is this a problem with google ? I mean, I just want my site to look like a personal blog with one page.

            I'm thinking to create content using spinners like TBS and post some spinned articles with over 40% unique content in new pages. But many times, automatic spinners can make the text unreadable. And that's why I don't want to have links to my other pages who are not 100% readable

            Is this a good/safe ideea ?

            no one can answer me to this ?
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            • Profile picture of the author adenclark
              If you want strong first page rankings then you need the following:

              - Inconsistent amount of backlinks built each day (between 25 and 50) for the first month and grow by 5 backlinks extra per day after each month.

              - Dont use spammer backlink software that creates hundreds per day. If you want long term results then play by the rules. Google will laugh at the amount of backlinks that suddenly pour to your site and the results wont last long. (slow is the way to go)

              - Good on-page seo

              - Quality, relevant backlinks on unique (keyword targeted) content pages.

              This has worked wonders for me, i would never build backlinks as quick as you do. I guess im more patient and want long term results, but i play by the rules and many dont.
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          • Profile picture of the author Social-Media-Marketing
            Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

            Thanks Adriana. If i add more pages with other articles but I don't want to add links to this pages, is this a problem with google ? I mean, I just want my site to look like a personal blog with one page.

            I'm thinking to create content using spinners like TBS and post some spinned articles with over 40% unique content in new pages. But many times, automatic spinners can make the text unreadable. And that's why I don't want to have links to my other pages who are not 100% readable

            Is this a good/safe ideea ?
            Why on earth would you want a one page site? You should want as many pages as you have time to write. Each page gives you a chance to target a different keyword phrase (and slight variations). Nothing wrong with wanting it to look like a personal blog, but even personal blogs have many pages (at least one per post).

            Article spinners are "okay" if you're trying to create multiple versions of an article to submit to article submission sites. But I would highly recommend NOT using them for your own site's content. Write quality content yourself for your own site.
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            • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
              Originally Posted by Social-Media-Marketing View Post

              Why on earth would you want a one page site? You should want as many pages as you have time to write. Each page gives you a chance to target a different keyword phrase (and slight variations). Nothing wrong with wanting it to look like a personal blog, but even personal blogs have many pages (at least one per post).

              I don't want to have one page site. I just want the site to look like a one page website. This is why I asked if it is ok with google to have a lot of pages but without to have a link of those pages on the main site.
              And I'm still waiting for an answer to this.
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  • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
    a lot of backlinks are from one or two edu blogs that I posted only 1 post each on 2 articles. I don't know how but it shows me hundrer of backlinks even I didn't posted any comment on that pages/articles.

    can someone tell me what is happening ?

    ps: now I have over 700 backlinks. so about 300 backlinks more from yesterday, without actually build any backlink.
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    • Profile picture of the author Social-Media-Marketing
      Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

      a lot of backlinks are from one or two edu blogs that I posted only 1 post each on 2 articles. I don't know how but it shows me hundrer of backlinks even I didn't posted any comment on that pages/articles.

      can someone tell me what is happening ?

      ps: now I have over 700 backlinks. so about 300 backlinks more from yesterday, without actually build any backlink.
      This happens often because you post a single comment on the site. That comment gets added to the Recent Comment widget that appears on EVERY page of the site in a sidebar. The Recent Comments link gets discovered on all of the pages of the blog and become part of Yahoo!'s link graph. Then 10 comments later, your link rolls off of the widget. Now when you look at those pages you can't find the links. They will eventually fall out of the Yahoo! Site Explorer link: output.
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  • Profile picture of the author spudnick
    Are the backlinks from different C-class IP's?

    If too many links are from the same IP I have found it can sometimes have no positive effect on your rankings.

    Google is a harsh mistress, and a complex one to boot. There are many factors that come into play.
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  • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
    if they come from the same edu blog so I guess there are on the same IP's.

    But I really don't know how can I have a backlink url in yahoo site explorer and when I visit that site I see that I don't have any anchor link or comment there
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  • Profile picture of the author mavericace
    Originally Posted by alaltaieri View Post

    I used a linkbuilding strategy based on senuke + xrumer. I created a pyramidal structure with money site(cb product)-tier1-tier2.
    I used:
    article submissions
    directory submissions
    rss feed submissions
    forum signatures
    blog commenting

    I blasted with xrumer only tier2 web 2.0 sites
    This happened in about 2-3 weeks.
    This is the result from market samurai: (my website is first)


    Still, I am on the second page of google for my primary keyword and on the 3rd page for other 2 keywords. This is my first project and I don't have much experience.My question is. why I am not on the first page yet ? because of the small number of pages of my domain indexed by google ? (only 7)
    can you post your site URL here so we figure it out your problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author alaltaieri
    no I can't post my site url because I will reveal my niche and my keywords... duh
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    You should consider adding more pages to the site. Even just adding a blog directory to the site and making 10 posts or so and then interlinking them to your money page should work well.

    Also, make sure to keep your link velocity going and try to get as many kinds of links as possible. Domain age is another issue. I suggest you check out and see where your competitors get their backlinks from and do the same, then just improve upon it.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author gracetog
      A bit too soon to know the full effect of your efforts now. Give it another month or so, and keep up the good work in the meantime
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      • Profile picture of the author Your Lover
        Originally Posted by gracetog View Post

        A bit too soon to know the full effect of your efforts now. Give it another month or so, and keep up the good work in the meantime
        Exactly, with a one month domain, you still have some time to wait!
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  • Profile picture of the author lambertmerk
    I think it has to do with your automatic way of back linking. I suggest you make an effort to post manual but quality links and you'll see the result though you have to wait for month/s. I usually do not believe that building more links can totally rank you up in a short span, maybe you'll be able to level up your ranking but if you do quality back links and not rely on those automatic software to create you thousands of link. I'll tell you it's not an overnight success.
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    • Profile picture of the author gracetog
      Quality backlinks are what matter?

      What you need to check is this:
      what page rank are all these hundreds and thousands of bacnklinks?
      Are the pages the links are coming from related to your page or site theme keyword?
      Are they relevants?
      Do they have your related keyword in the anchor texts?
      why are the backlinks multiplying by themselves?
      I don't believe hundreds or thousands of links from link software companies would give you a long term solution either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Your Lover
    Just one month!! you should be in the sand box now mate!
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  • Profile picture of the author jesda
    i could tell u that i could rank really well on google with just 70 sig backlinks form wf and with a good on page optimiztion and it instead rank on my anchor text
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  • Profile picture of the author seoindiaforu
    Many factors influence the rank...not only backlinks! The point to note here is how much competitive the keyword is?
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