Are profile backlinks any good?

14 years ago

Most profile backlinks use anchor texts

Use it as a part of your backlinking strategy along with social bookmarking, article submissions and more.

It will add juice to your link networks

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D Baker

14 years ago

You are actually wrong as Profile Backlinks do use anchor text and they are very good links. This is why you see all of those profile links packets out there.

It is another good link building strategy you should use along with a few other methods.

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thedigitalshopper 14 years ago

Profile pages are GREAT for increasing ranks for geographic keyword phrases. If you're targeting a specific town or county then add them to the 'Location' field. For example if you're a plumber in Manchester, then add the word 'Manchester' to the location field. These are ALL visible within your public profile.

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babypar

14 years ago

Profile links are useful, if you can you should post some posts aswell, this will create links for the posts to your profile page, making it more powerful

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thebitbotdotcom

14 years ago

I have no evidence, but being that profile backlinks are somewhat of a gray-hat technique, I expect that in time, SEA's will eventually ignore them. For now they are useful, but I am betting that they will be useless in the future.

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  I definitely agree that High Page Rank Profile backlinks are an excellent and readily available source of links that can be built in large quantities. We actually offer a "High PR Profile Service" on our website and it is one of our most popular types of links. We have probably built over 20,000 of these profiles and have been very successful getting a lot of #1 rankings for competitive search terms.
  
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bitdozecom

14 years ago

Every dofollow backlink to your site is good

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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Profile links are widely regarded as garbage amongst experienced SEO's

there are far better ways to not only get more links, but higher quality links and at the same time you aren't spamming

anyone saying profile links are "excellent" or something similar obviously doesn't have much experience in SEO and link building and simply doesn't know any better

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adamv

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Profile links are widely regarded as garbage amongst experienced SEO's

there are far better ways to not only get more links, but higher quality links and at the same time you aren't spamming

anyone saying profile links are "excellent" or something similar obviously doesn't have much experience in SEO and link building and simply doesn't know any better

I'm looking forward to some of the responses we're likely to see from this post. There are quite a few people with many pages ranking very well that would disagree with your view of profile links.

I shall grab my popcorn and wait patiently for the show to start.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by adamv

I'm looking forward to some of the responses we're likely to see from this post. There are quite a few people with many pages ranking very well that would disagree with your view of profile links.

I shall grab my popcorn and wait patiently for the show to start.

Of course...many of those more experienced SEO'ers left WF in droves several months back when WF went on their WSO witchhunt. What has been left is a minefield where every 5th post is "why did I get banned from Google"

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Of course...many of those more experienced SEO'ers left WF in droves several months back when WF went on their WSO witchhunt.

Let it go my man. Let it go. Besides not entirely true is it? We both are still here (now and again

).

On the other hand I don't even know how to handle these threads now.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Let it go my man. Let it go. Besides not entirely true is it? We both are still here (now and again

).

On the other hand I don't even know how to handle these threads now.

It is entirely true though

. I said many, not all

Of those that remain, many have cut down their participation way down.

These threads should all just be locked into one master thread, or at least a monthly thread. We can have an October profiles thread if you want

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

anyone saying profile links are "excellent" or something similar obviously doesn't have much experience in SEO and link building and simply doesn't know any better

Or they're selling link packets.

My take is that they can be helpful in the short term but, in most cases, aren't that effective for the long term. This is because they're rather spammy in nature. So, either a target site is unmoderated and gets devalued due to excessive links to bad neighborhood sites or the total outgoing links or, forum moderators delete new accounts that leave a link in a profile, do IP blocks of public proxies and known spamming profiles or simply turn off the ability to leave links in profiles and sigs.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Profile links are widely regarded as garbage amongst experienced SEO's

there are far better ways to not only get more links, but higher quality links and at the same time you aren't spamming

anyone saying profile links are "excellent" or something similar obviously doesn't have much experience in SEO and link building and simply doesn't know any better

I hate competition in Google (and of course I must not have much experience in SEO ...lmao), so...

Yea, they do suck. Never use them. Stick to really cool stuff like submitting articles to EZA and Digging your site.

:-)

In any event, don't people on WF know how do use the damn search function? There are only >1000 threads here on the topic. ..or are they just too lazy.

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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

I hate competition in Google (and of course I must not have much experience in SEO ...lmao), so...

Yea, they do suck. Never use them. Stick to really cool stuff like submitting articles to EZA and Digging your site.

Who said anything about ezine articles as a better alternative? Not me

When you own one the most highly visted poker sites (like me) you realize that garbage profile links will not help at all, that's why me and the other sites ranking for terms such as "online poker" don't waste time with such lame methods

Maybe you should try and learn some better link bulding methods yourself rather than hanging around on the warrior forum with your head up your rear end every day

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Who said anything about ezine articles as a better alternative? Not me

When you own one the most highly visted poker sites (like me)

I bow down in the presence of a master.

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

you realize that garbage profile links will not help at all, that's why me and the other sites ranking for terms such as "online poker" don't waste time with such lame methods

Let me take a look at the top 10 sites for online poker:

- We have the 5 of largest online poker rooms. Surprise here? Not really, considering the amount of $$$$ they invest in advertising, their name rep, how long they have been in the business, etc. I would expect them to rank on page one without any extra effort in fact. Do you happen to own Pokerstars

-- Wikipedia article for Online Poker. The article itself has over 11k links to it, so this ranking should be a given. Perhaps you own Wikipedia and this is your site

-- TWO exact match (keyword) domains (.net and .org) variety, each with pretty hefty link amounts. No surprise here with the exact match keyword domain.

-- The Word Series of Poker. Real surprise here. It's hard to find a time between 8pm and 2am when some episode of the WSOP is not airing on a variety of ESPN.

--and oh yea, the #1 listing, pokerlistings.com, which has over 313k domain backlinks,and 100k links to just the root domain.

So, let me guess, you own FullTiltPoker...AMIRIGHT?:confused: Any way I could score a higher rakeback offer by chance?

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Maybe you should try and learn some better link bulding methods yourself rather than hanging around on the warrior forum with your head up your rear end every day

Either you own own Wikipedia, own one of the 5 biggest poker rooms on the net, own the World Series of Poker, either lucked out or paid big $$$ for an exact keyword match for the keyword, or own pokerlistings.com. I'm going with none of the above.

Perhaps you should stop trolling and get back to running Wikipedia.

Have a nice day.

Tom

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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

I bow down in the presence of a master.

Let me take a look at the top 10 sites for online poker:

- We have the 5 of largest online poker rooms. Surprise here? Not really, considering the amount of $$$$ they invest in advertising, their name rep, how long they have been in the business, etc. I would expect them to rank on page one without any extra effort in fact. Do you happen to own Pokerstars

-- Wikipedia article for Online Poker. The article itself has over 11k links to it, so this ranking should be a given. Perhaps you own Wikipedia and this is your site

-- TWO exact match (keyword) domains (.net and .org) variety, each with pretty hefty link amounts. No surprise here with the exact match keyword domain.

-- The Word Series of Poker. Real surprise here. It's hard to find a time between 8pm and 2am when some episode of the WSOP is not airing on a variety of ESPN.

--and oh yea, the #1 listing, pokerlistings.com, which has over 313k domain backlinks,and 100k links to just the root domain.

So, let me guess, you own FullTiltPoker...AMIRIGHT?:confused: Any way I could score a higher rakeback offer by chance?

Either you own own Wikipedia, own one of the 5 biggest poker rooms on the net, own the World Series of Poker, either lucked out or paid big $$$ for an exact keyword match for the keyword, or own pokerlistings.com. I'm going with none of the above.

Perhaps you should stop trolling and get back to running Wikipedia.

Have a nice day.

Tom

What a mature response

If you search on google.co.uk (where I am targeting) the results are very different.

I'm on page 2 for online poker but I'm on the first page for other terms that get just as much traffic as well as countless brand name searches

You stick to your profile links, you're better suited to it

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

If you search on google.co.uk (where I am targeting) the results are very different.

I'm on page 2 for online poker but I'm on the first page for other terms that get just as much traffic as well as countless brand name searches

Yea, very different results

I get 9 poker rooms this time, plus pokerlistings

The biggest shakeup as poor Wikipedia has been knocked back to page 2.

I'm not sure why one would name drop "online poker" when they aren't even on page 1 for it in UK, but whatever. I mean, name drop something you actually rank for.

Have a nice day.

Tom

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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Yea, very different results

I get 9 poker rooms this time, plus pokerlistings

The biggest shakeup as poor Wikipedia has been knocked back to page 2.

I'm not sure why one would name drop "online poker" when they aren't even on page 1 for it in UK, but whatever. I mean, name drop something you actually rank for.

Have a nice day.

Tom

search any of the brand names, you will see me, because you have too much time on your hands I'm sure you will take the time to search

plus ranking on page 2 for "play poker" and "online poker" plus several others still sends hundreds of visits daily

then there's the fact that I'm in my early twenties working alone, competing with these large corporations and that's down to the fact that I know of far better link building methods than profile links

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

but whatever. I mean, name drop something you actually rank for.

You might be barking up the wrong tree tom. He actually said

for terms such as "online poker"

Which doesn't mean he was giving you his actual money keywords. Don't know if he's bluffing but I can tell you gambling sites are VERY competitive in their SEO and they do employ tactics well beyond profile backlinking.

They also make some serious cash and drop thousands of dollars per month without a blink of a eye on some of those tactics.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You might be barking up the wrong tree tom. He actually said

for terms such as "online poker"

Which doesn't mean he was giving you his actual money keywords.

..but actually it does

"such as" is different than saying "like" or "similar to", although this idiom is of course often misused.

The use of "such as" in the English language introduces a specific example of the subject.

If I say, "I eat meats, such as pork and lamb", I am not saying that I eat meats similar to pork and lamb, I am saying that I specifically eat pork and lamb.

P.S. I do understand how tough the poker market is, and I also understand the types of $$$ budgets they typically employ. It ranks right up there with the dough being spent to rank for Viagra.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

..but actually it does

"such as" is different that saying "like" or "similar to", although this idiom is of course often misused.

What I meant to say was that It gives you one of the terms it doesn't give you all of the terms. there are several he hasn't given and there are tons of them in that niche that give solid traffic. He's already clarified that as well.

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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

What I meant to say was that It gives you one of the terms it doesn't give you all of the terms. there are several he hasn't given and there are tons of them in that niche that give solid traffic. He's already clarified that as well.

Of course, and if I was boasting of my ranking prowess I wouldn't give an example of a keyword that i'm not even page one in Google.co.uk for.

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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You might be barking up the wrong tree tom. He actually said

for terms such as "online poker"

Which doesn't mean he was giving you his actual money keywords. Don't know if he's bluffing but I can tell you gambling sites are VERY competitive in their SEO and they do employ tactics well beyond profile backlinking.

They also make some serious cash and drop thousands of dollars per month without a blink of a eye on some of those tactics.

Thank you Mike

for some reason Tom Goodwin seems to have a golden horse shoe up his a$$ and seems to be in denial

I'm too busy to become involved in pointless war of words or mud throwing contest

As I originally pointed out, profile links are a very poor seo tactic and under no circumstances will they help a site rank for what I would regard as a competetive term

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

under no circumstances will they help a site rank for what I would regard as a competetive term

Depends on what you categorize as competitive. I'd have to disagree with you there. maybe ultra competitive but there are some competitive terms I have seen it work with.
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JMac

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You might be barking up the wrong tree tom. He actually said

for terms such as "online poker"

That would be true if he had not posted this quote (below) a while back in another thread. He specifically says he is targeting the term "online poker". If you go through some of his other posts he also talks about building links to his site as the way to get them ranked. In his defense he does not specify exactly how he builds his links.

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

I know exactly how to rank on bing

here it is

cross your fingers and hope they put you high up (if you actually care about ranking on bing that is)

Bing is a piece of crap

I own two poker sites

one Is targeting the search term "poker strategy"

the other is targeting "online poker"

they both rank very highly in google

when searching on bing for the online poker site I find the disclaimer from the poker strategy website first

Bing is a piece of crap, it doesn't index information properly

I'm calling zombie bull$hit on the builder (if you play L4D you know what I'm talking about)

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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Profile links are widely regarded as garbage amongst experienced SEO's

there are far better ways to not only get more links, but higher quality links and at the same time you aren't spamming

anyone saying profile links are "excellent" or something similar obviously doesn't have much experience in SEO and link building and simply doesn't know any better

You've spent your entire time in this thread badmouthing profile links because you and all? experienced SEO's regard them as garbage.

Instead of telling people that they don't work in competitive fields (which is false), tell people of your much more high quality links that you can get in higher numbers without spamming.

I would love to hear of these so called non-spammy, high number, high quality backlinks. I doubt you'll name any and you'll probably use some excuse like, "you don't want to give away your linking methods."

So, unless you can give us an example of your higher quality, higher quantity, non-spammy links, why don't you just GTFO this thread.

Profile links work and work well. That's not disputable.

I'm waiting for these magical links you speak of. Let's hear it.

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adamv 14 years ago

I knew it wouldn't be long before this thread got entertaining.
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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

Instead of telling people that they don't work in competitive fields (which is false), tell people of your much more high quality links that you can get in higher numbers without spamming.

You'd just love that wouldn't you?

You need to own your own network of sites, I spent two years building my own network and that's what all serious seo players do

You also need to build relationships with people in your niche that own their own network, and I'm not talking about unique article wizard or anything like that

Obviously this all takes money and time, but if you want to rank for terms that truly are competetive it's what you need to do

But for the sake of this argument we will just put it like this, you're right, I'm wrong, just go and make your millions using profile links seen as how you claim they work in competetive markets

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- TheRetiredBuilder 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Do you link outside of your own link wheel?
  
  [just asking]
  
  I'm not sure I understand your question but when you have a network of sites it's not good practice to interlink them
  
  Each site is best being a sperate entity from the others
  
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Tom Goodwin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

You'd just love that wouldn't you?

You need to own your own network of sites, I spent two years building my own network and that's what all serious seo players do

Here is a news flash... You act like this is some secret formula -- but it is not. Many of us preach this very tactic, and have for some time. The only truly long-term backlink is on domains that you own and/or control.

Having your own network of sites is a great way to rank well, but it certainly takes $$$ and time and isn't for everyone (or even most people).

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

You need to own your own network of sites, I spent two years building my own network and that's what all serious seo players do

There you go but in defense of Tom (lol he's in shock that that sentence is coming from me ). I can tell you he and a number of us already know this. Might come as a surprise to you but its not exactly mutual exclusive. You CAN use certain kinds of links to grow PR on those sites.
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TheRetiredBuilder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

Instead of telling people that they don't work in competitive fields (which is false), tell people of your much more high quality links that you can get in higher numbers without spamming.

Furthermore, I would love you to show me any webpage that ranks well for a competetive term as a result of profile links

I'm pretty certain no one will show me one or if they do, it won't be ery competetive at all

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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Furthermore, I would love you to show me any webpage that ranks well for a competetive term as a result of profile links

I'm pretty certain no one will show me one or if they do, it won't be ery competetive at all

I can show you plenty of webpages that rank in competitive fields that also incorporate profile links. Like any good backlink campaign there will of course be other links included.

I never said that you can rank in competitive fields on only profile links. But they are effective...especially when in conjunction with other links.

If they didn't work so well, not nearly as many people would be using them. They aren't the end all be all, but a very good route for getting quick, beneficial backlinks.

Nobody with any SEO experience would advise someone to use only one kind of link. But, using profile links and the same kind of links you mentioned will work better than just your own network of sites.

The statement that anyone preaching or using profile links obviously doesn't have any SEO experience is absolutely false. There are plenty of successful SEO's that incorporate profile backlinks into their campaigns. The fact is, they are easy to automate, beneficial, and provide the best return on your time in most cases.

Notice I didn't say they were the most powerful links ever, but they can help improve rankings significantly. To say that they don't is a false statement, no matter how you want to look at it.

If you really want me to dig up a page in a competitive market that incorporates profile links, I will. There are plenty of them out there. Hell, there are some major players in the online and offline world that use profile backlinks. Because they work, their cheap, their easy to automate, and they provide a good return on time invested.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

The statement that anyone preaching or using profile links obviously doesn't have any SEO experience is absolutely false. There are plenty of successful SEO's that incorporate profile backlinks into their campaigns. The fact is, they are easy to automate, beneficial, and provide the best return on your time in most cases.

Fair post. Frankly I don't know many SEOs that rule ANY kind of backlink entirely out. Part of the problem with this discussion is that people assume that a profile link has zero PR because the tools say n/a or zero. However depending on how the navigation is setup on a property the PR can flow fractional PR juice to the profile page that will never show on the tools but will in aggregate affect ranking.

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JMac

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRetiredBuilder

Furthermore, I would love you to show me any webpage that ranks well for a competetive term as a result of profile links

I'm pretty certain no one will show me one or if they do, it won't be ery competetive at all

What is your definition of "competitive"? Please be specific.

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fanatic123

14 years ago

How come you are having trouble. And, some profile links do use anchor text. It is useful ofcourse!

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Kael41

14 years ago

Guys, here's some first hand reporting on actual usage and results with utilizing profile links -

They work. Hands down.

I've been using this technique for YEARS. Back in the day a bunch of us started with chatboard scripts (shout boxes, etc) and then realized waaaaaaay before the advent of Angela and her links that shallow profile links work. Period. As long as they are seen and indexed by the little search engine crawlers (anyone remember tracking the inktomi spiders as they were coursing all throughout the net?

I'm showing my age...) you'll get credit for a link back.

Long term - who knows? I've employed this technique for years and haven't seen the hammer drop, and i still have my links. If you're messing around inside a niche category where your competitor is ripping out run after run of xrumer lists..you are in trouble in terms of outranking them.

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dougsanders

14 years ago

I'm currently ranking 4 of my money sites pretty much solely with profile backlinks--without a doubt they work and they work well.

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jhonsean

14 years ago

Profile backlinks is an effective tool to improve your page ranking it is proven to generate quality backlinks to your page. When you do link building process use it to boost your rankings this will benefits you a lot.

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goosexxx

14 years ago

It's a great program. I do it all the time. Seems to work out well for me.

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Kael41

14 years ago

Love the back and forth - as Chuck D said once a long time ago "Bring the noise!"

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evanlambda

14 years ago

Backlinks are always good. Google themselves have said that links from "bad" sites will not hurt your ranking. If they did, then people could use it to sabotage their competitors.

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Marhelper

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seanicasia

Hi,

I've been seeing a lot about getting backlinks from profile pages.

Are they any good?

I have been wondering the same thing as they do not seem to show up like they used to.

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amaracray

14 years ago

Yes they are useful, but i assume that sooner or later all forums and blogs will use "no follow" links, but even then i reckon that they will be usefull.

I would assume though that adding to much links in your profile might be counter productive

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jesda

14 years ago

anyhow, i still agreeethat profile really get good link juice to our site if u know how to get those link indexed.

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jacobycage

14 years ago

Profile links are useful, if you can you should post some posts aswell, this will create links for the posts to your profile page, making it more powerful

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Jordan Kovats 14 years ago

And help your profile stick and be prevented from being removed.

Originally Posted by jacobycage

Profile links are useful, if you can you should post some posts aswell, this will create links for the posts to your profile page, making it more powerful
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dagaul101

14 years ago

There are good for SERPs, and they do get the odd click from people viewing your profile

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