Article Spinning and Duplicate Content when you should spin

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Hi all,

I still hear about duplicate content and article spinning. Well, here it is from the horses mouth:


If your going to listen to google directly, you have to take it with a grain of salt, as they have their best interests in mind when they speak. However, this is exactly what I gathered from this...

There is only one reason to spin an article, that is to have multiple chances to rank the article well for a specific keyword, or different keywords. Which means you create a new title, and rewrite the article, so it is mostly a new article. However, the same article, COULD be "omitted" for one keyword and not another. So technically you could use the same content to rank well for multiple different keywords.

If your just looking for backlinks, it doesn't matter, there is no need to spin an article.

Lastly, if you have content for your blog or website, my suggestion is not post it on articles sites unless you have spun it, and vice versa.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by John McEachern View Post

    Why?
    If I were to speculate, I might suggest that the people who say "always spin your content before you syndicate it" would prefer that you syndicate lower-quality content...

    I'll leave the "why" as an exercise for the reader.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      When you watch a video with a pre-conception, you may misinterpret.

      I skimmed the video and what I heard was someone talking about having two versions of one article on YOUR site. He may have changed that focus later in the video. But I know from years of writing articles you don't have to rewrite them to get great results.

      He starts by saying there is no duplicate content penalty - and we've said that here for years. BUT - years ago google banned a lot of adsense accounts for replicating pages on their sites to make the sites look larger. I know some people who lost thousands a month when they were banned for that and the reason google gave was "duplicate content" - which is where this all began. It's been misinterpreted ever since.

      I put an article on my site, then submit to EZA and then a couple other places. Only trick there is you don't link back to the same article in your bio box but link to a related article on your site. Only rewrites I do are for UAW or if I do a hubpage. It works.

      By all means - if you want to rewrite, go ahead. The problem I have is when you tell others they should do it.

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      • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        When you watch a video with a pre-conception, you may misinterpret.

        I skimmed the video and what I heard was someone talking about having two versions of one article on YOUR site. He may have changed that focus later in the video.
        Starting at 0.14 in the video, he starts by saying we are going to talk about duplicate content on multiple sites. I don't have the entire thing memorized, but I don't ever remember him talking about "two versions of one article on YOUR site" and I've watched it 10 times at least.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        But I know from years of writing articles you don't have to rewrite them to get great results.

        He starts by saying there is no duplicate content penalty - and we've said that here for years. BUT - years ago google banned a lot of adsense accounts for replicating pages on their sites to make the sites look larger. I know some people who lost thousands a month when they were banned for that and the reason google gave was "duplicate content" - which is where this all began. It's been misinterpreted ever since.

        I put an article on my site, then submit to EZA and then a couple other places. Only trick there is you don't link back to the same article in your bio box but link to a related article on your site. Only rewrites I do are for UAW or if I do a hubpage. It works.

        By all means - if you want to rewrite, go ahead. The problem I have is when you tell others they should do it.

        kay
        I didnt say you can't get great results by not re-writing an article, again it depends on your goals and if your trying to rank articles, or websites in Google, or just get backlinks, or promote a product. Sometimes you will want to re-write sometimes you won't.

        It all makes clear common sense, Google doesnt want you go search for "Dog Food Articles" and have more than 1 of the same exact content. It's a waste of the users time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The problem I have is when you tell others they should do it.
        This.

        People who don't know what they're talking about are advising others what to do. That's why people "fail" at internet marketing. (And that's partly why some of them end up resorting to all those subfuscous-headwear approaches that give all of us, collectively, such a bad name, too.)
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        • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          This.

          People who don't know what they're talking about are advising others what to do. That's why people "fail" at internet marketing. (And that's partly why some of them end up resorting to all those subfuscous-headwear approaches that give all of us, collectively, such a bad name, too.)
          Fortunately, the video from the google dev explains the details, so people can make their own choices. I made suggestions based on that video, which were unbiased, as I have no stake in what everyone else is doing. However, I disagree, most people "fail" at internet marketing because they don't put in the effort, or give up to easily.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by tommygunn View Post

            I made suggestions based on that video, which were unbiased, as I have no stake in what everyone else is doing.
            However, you DO have a stake in what YOU are doing. So whether you are recommending that other people do the same thing, or something else that will reduce your competition - yes, you are biased.
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            • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              However, you DO have a stake in what YOU are doing. So whether you are recommending that other people do the same thing, or something else that will reduce your competition - yes, you are biased.
              You can't assume I am biased. It amazes me that someone would make that assumption on here. Aren't we supposed to post on here to help people and make suggestions?

              I can guarantee, that my article marketing, or articles are not in competition with anyone. I am using mine for the purpose of backlinks, to help my website rankings, for a site that I am 99% certain no one here is would be competing for search rankings.

              The only reason I brought it up, is because I just read a WSO, where they suggested spinning articles was laughable. Matter of fact you read the same WSO. My point is there are specific instances where spinning can be usefull, and sometimes its not, it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
    Originally Posted by John McEachern View Post

    Why?

    Wouldn't I rather just want to get a well written article syndicated by submitting the same content from my site to EZA and possibly a few other article directories for which I think there is a decent shot of other webmasters publishing this content on their relevantly targeted authority sites? Isn't that the primary goal in using article directories?
    If you want the possibility of that article on your website to be "omitted" by Google that would be fine. If I want more traffic to my site, I would rather not do this. But it really depends on your goals.

    Originally Posted by John McEachern View Post

    It seems to me I'd rather spend time writing another article than spin one I have already written. For the amount of time and effort it would take me to do it properly, I could have another new article written.
    I agree
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    • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
      Originally Posted by John McEachern View Post

      I see, and thank you for the reply, Tommy.

      I don't get it, though, why would the article on my site possibly be "omitted" by Google? The article wouldn't be submitted anywhere until I am satisfied it has been indexed first on Google. So Google isn't going to omit any article written for my site.

      Isn't this right?

      Not from my testing, I've also read about entire sites being "omitted" by Google, because someone linked to a proxied version of their website.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
    I should mention my testing has been on poor quality websites, I might even speculate that a website with a high quality score in google, might not be the one that would be omitted. All I can say for sure, is if you have two pages, with the same content, competing in Google for a specific keyword, one will be omitted. Google determines, somehow, which one that will be. That's a risk, I personally won't take, based on my own research.
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    • Profile picture of the author tommygunn
      Originally Posted by John McEachern View Post

      The copies that may possibly be omitted are the ones that have been published after the first copy has been published and indexed - isn't that it?
      I would hope that they are, but I don't have anything from Google that says that specifically. Only Google themselves could truly answer that.
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