A HUGE tip for you when BUILDING BACKLINKS - A lot of you are looking at it the wrong way.

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Ok, so you want to build backlinks to your site, right?

Ok good, that's a good thing.

However, if you look at backlinks, as 'traffic' instead you'll be better off.

My mindset, is always a 'how can I get some more traffic to this site?'

You can drive traffic with...
  • articles
  • press releases
  • blog commenting
  • giving stuff away
  • creating quality web 2.0 properties
  • creating business listings
  • participating in forum
  • Just to name a few...
Articles - Articles are a great source of traffic, you should write quality articles all the time, instead of spun crap nobody wants to read.

Why? Because your mindset should always be about the traffic you can get from that article. You still get the backlink, but why not drive traffic too?

Press releases - Press releases are also a great source of traffic, and in many cases instant, high volumes of it. So when you write a press release, don't write one in 5 minutes that's just a bunch of 'newsy' words so you can submit it for backlinks. Write it well, so you build traffic.

You should look at press releases as a great traffic source, rather than a 'backlink syndication' system. It's great for backlinks anyways, why not build some traffic with it?

Quality Web 2.0 properties
- Don't just spin your articles and submit them to a bunch of Web 2.0 sites. Create fun, intriguing, quality web 2.0 sites since they are an amazing source of free traffic, with your site in front of potentially millions of already active users.

You should look at building Web 2.0 properties like hubpages, squidoo, and LiveJournal as a way to attract the existing user base they have, you get the backlinks anyways.

Blog commenting - Why do people feel the need to spam blogs, and write irrelevant comments just for the backlink?

Newsflash guys, blog commenting is a great source of traffic, spamming blogs doesn't build traffic.

Why not find 'relevant' blogs, dofollow or not, read them and add value with a comment? You could be driving traffic with every blog comment you leave if you actually provide value, interest and a reason to visit your link.

You get the backlink anyways, why not take the extra time to find relevant blogs to build traffic with?

Forum marketing - Instead of finding mass forums to create profile backlinks, why not find relevant forums that you can participate in, and drive traffic with?

Spend some time helping people out, joining the conversation, making posts, and providing value?

More backlinks, and great traffic when you do it productively instead of spammishly.

So the reason I made this post, was so that maybe some of you will begin looking at link building, like 'traffic building' instead.

Just think, for all the hundreds of low quality links, and wasted time you could have grown to hundreds more visitors per month AND hundreds of relevant, helpful backlinks.

Don't rely on Google guys, crap happens, build yourself as many sources of external traffic as you can (since your new found traffic generating methods are building backlinks in the process anyways.)
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  • Profile picture of the author orvn
    Too true, whenever I build links in forums or in blogs, I make sure I'm a genuinely contributing member.
    Generally, if I write an article, I make sure it's categorically useful and that I'm not just reiterating someone else's work. I guess you don't have to do this, but I like to contribute to the internet.

    In fact, to be perfectly honest, all the SEO folk that use spam as a strategy sort of piss me off. You can gain traffic without being an f'n %^!£& (I'll let your imaginations fill in my colourful language).
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by orvn View Post

      Too true, whenever I build links in forums or in blogs, I make sure I'm a genuinely contributing member.
      Generally, if I write an article, I make sure it's categorically useful and that I'm not just reiterating someone else's work. I guess you don't have to do this, but I like to contribute to the internet.

      In fact, to be perfectly honest, all the SEO folk that use spam as a strategy sort of piss me off. You can gain traffic without being an f'n %^!£& (I'll let your imaginations fill in my colourful language).
      contribute is definitely the keyword there. Totally agree.
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    • Profile picture of the author SophiaBontuna
      Originally Posted by orvn View Post

      Too true, whenever I build links in forums or in blogs, I make sure I'm a genuinely contributing member.
      Generally, if I write an article, I make sure it's categorically useful and that I'm not just reiterating someone else's work. I guess you don't have to do this, but I like to contribute to the internet.

      In fact, to be perfectly honest, all the SEO folk that use spam as a strategy sort of piss me off. You can gain traffic without being an f'n %^!£& (I'll let your imaginations fill in my colourful language).
      I agree with him. It is a bitter truth, and everything should be accepted. Please use the tools, the knowledge base. If wrong, so in future no one trusted online activities. So please, I asked everyone, not be real, and the sharing of the world. Do not do the job of spam. Keep it clean and green to the online world :-)
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    Contributing to a community gives better results to you than to the community.This is true in this Internet world.
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  • Profile picture of the author howinfo
    Originally Posted by friend View Post

    Articles - Articles are a great source of traffic, you should write quality articles all the time, instead of spun crap nobody wants to read.


    Why? Because your mindset should always be about the traffic you can get from that article. You still get the backlink, but why not drive traffic too?
    Can't agree more with this point. People do not realize the full power of article syndication and how much traffic and relevant links it can bring. But it only works with really good articles. Not spinned articles and not even mediocre articles but extra special quality articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil K
    Originally Posted by friend View Post

    You still get the backlink, but why not drive traffic too?
    Do article directory backlinks actually count? Tried doing a backlink check with backlink watch and yahoo site explorer and couldn't find any sources from article directories. What gives?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by Neil K View Post

      Do article directory backlinks actually count? Tried doing a backlink check with backlink watch and yahoo site explorer and couldn't find any sources from article directories. What gives?
      There's no sure fire way to detect all of the links pointing to your site, other than knowing, yourself that they're there.

      Google will find them, they always do.
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    • Profile picture of the author G Adams
      Originally Posted by Neil K View Post

      Do article directory backlinks actually count? Tried doing a backlink check with backlink watch and yahoo site explorer and couldn't find any sources from article directories. What gives?

      You have to keep in mind that the site/directory you put links on must be re-indexed by search engines, then your site needs to be updated in the search engines to show the new data, this all takes time, as mentioned if you visit your site and the link is there and functioning thats all you need to worry about!

      When I started out I spent more time trying to trace links ect than building new ones! Focus is the key to success online!
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  • Profile picture of the author HotDamnShortSales
    this all takes alot of time, almost a full time job. I am busy working on promoting our real estate business in the real world, finding deals, closing them, etc. We wrote an ebook ( i REALLY hate that word!!!) its a short sales survival kit, not an ebook, thats like treasure island in digital form, thats an ebook. haha. so anyway..soooooooooooooo much needs done, I cant spend my 10 hours a day writing articles, posting on blogs and message boards, etc. SO< is there a one stop shop for each that I can HIRE to do this for me? I want to hire someone who can write articles about short sales and real estate investing, i need someone to work on SEO for me, i have general knowledge and understanding of how to use say youtube ad marketing, or create fb ads (wayyyy to expensive), etc. but I need HELP!!!!! I HAVE A BUDGET to pay the right person/team but how and where to find them? we also have a great niche (real estate investing/short sales) that we are ourselves successful at, and have ALOT of knowledge, info, documents,templates,letters, etc to provide to those looking to learn. we can do soooo much over the next few years as the real estate marketing is SCREAMING right now (for those that are in the know that is). we are making money hand over fist and never use a dime of our own money or credit to do it, thats the best part! NOW how do we get that information out to the world, and make even more money doing it??!!!!!

    that is my question!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
      Originally Posted by HotDamnShortSales View Post

      this all takes alot of time, almost a full time job. I am busy working on promoting our real estate business in the real world, finding deals, closing them, etc. We wrote an ebook ( i REALLY hate that word!!!) its a short sales survival kit, not an ebook, thats like treasure island in digital form, thats an ebook. haha. so anyway..soooooooooooooo much needs done, I cant spend my 10 hours a day writing articles, posting on blogs and message boards, etc. SO< is there a one stop shop for each that I can HIRE to do this for me? I want to hire someone who can write articles about short sales and real estate investing, i need someone to work on SEO for me, i have general knowledge and understanding of how to use say youtube ad marketing, or create fb ads (wayyyy to expensive), etc. but I need HELP!!!!! I HAVE A BUDGET to pay the right person/team but how and where to find them? we also have a great niche (real estate investing/short sales) that we are ourselves successful at, and have ALOT of knowledge, info, documents,templates,letters, etc to provide to those looking to learn. we can do soooo much over the next few years as the real estate marketing is SCREAMING right now (for those that are in the know that is). we are making money hand over fist and never use a dime of our own money or credit to do it, thats the best part! NOW how do we get that information out to the world, and make even more money doing it??!!!!!

      that is my question!!!!
      Yes it is a full time job...if done right. I personally took a client's site, link by link, article, by article, 100% manual...so far at #4 beating banks and insurance companies in the rankings. So, yes SEO takes time, and should cost, because it takes time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Friend, I'd like to thank you for this post and thread. its refreshing to see there are still people here that don't have an us against them toward webmasters.

        We have to try and find a way to work with site owners that allow us to leave links. We should be encouraging them because so many sites have shut down things. Your way leads to better opportunities.
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  • Profile picture of the author HotDamnShortSales
    ps: im currently free trial mode with Kajabi, its pretty cool, but they need more content creation options with their pages. they say they are updating and upgrading, but, we'll see.

    there is ALOT of money to be made right now in real estate investing no money no credit methods education. I just need a partner(s).
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  • Profile picture of the author andy.r
    Thanks Friend for putting this up here I think it sends a very strong message and the truth. I am still working on my first website that I put up about 9 months ago and I have had really good luck with SEO and getting my website ranked on the first pages of Google, Yahoo, Bing , Ask and possibly some others that I don't even know about yet.

    To tell you the truth, I'm no good with building a website so I needed something that was easy and SEO friendly. I chose Word Press because I had heard it was user friendly and used an SEO plugin, it gave me good fast results within a few weeks.

    Prior to configuring the Word Press SEO pluging I had only put about 20 back links pointing to my site, Mostly Social Sites like Facebook. I did the best I could with only a few articles on my website, SEO configuration, site map and then submitted my site URL to Google, Yahoo, Bing.

    Within a week I was getting traffic to my site from the first and second pages of the top four major search engines. Doing a lot of back linking did not prove to me that I'd get good rankings with search engines since I only had about 20 or so back links out there pointing to my site.

    Sometimes I feel like I was lucky the first time around, but I really did put a lot of hard work and research into it. I paid close attention with SEO configurations and built a site map to help the search engines index my site easier which I feel possibly made a big difference.

    I do totally agree that article marketing, social websites and all of the things mentioned above should only be thought of as a way to drive traffic to your site.

    Your copy writing is how people are going to get to know you, trust you and what you say can have a huge impact on how traffic is driven to your site. People are not stupid and if they don't like what you have to offer they will not come to your site.

    Also, one last thing before I go. At my website I get a lot of spammers unfortunately which is very disappointing to me and I think to myself, "Why are these guys wasting their time" It's just going to get deleted by me.

    Spamming is a waste of time for back linking on blogs because most web admins like myself don't want that garb on their sites, they want good quality content, people who are going to ask questions and contributors . Again thanks for this info I'll be using it to help drive traffic to my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author bidforsure
    Thanks for the advise.
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  • Profile picture of the author G Adams
    I agree you should always think of traffic, it seems that every backlink building tip you read these days harps on about "do follow" links this in my opinion just confused anyone who is starting out in marketing and traffic building.

    I mainly use article marketing to build links in to my sites, I also built an article directory for myself, granted I get a ton of "crap" on that but every post contains a link to my sales site..

    Another great way is get an adsense and amazon account and build hubs, I do not do this half as much as I should do, however the effects are generally good!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Friend, you are ahead of the game with your approach to backlink building and I think more should take your advice.

    People use the Warrior Forum as a form of traffic but fail to realise the same can be done in pretty much any niche. It does require work but it is work that is often rewarded.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    I completely concur and agree, I do alot of article marketing and write for clicks not backlinks. Long story short I get outstanding results.

    Which ever method you choose I guess you have to have a clear strategy and do the work.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by Mangozoom View Post

      I completely concur and agree, I do alot of article marketing and write for clicks not backlinks. Long story short I get outstanding results.

      Which ever method you choose I guess you have to have a clear strategy and do the work.

      John
      I agree, that one must have a clear strategy and do the work.

      Many people could be generating 'niche based' off-page SEO traffic and backlink plans, instead of just a boatload of meaningless links everywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Novoxborder
    Couldnt agree more.
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  • Profile picture of the author ImDoingIt
    good advice. I personally notice a lot of spam comments on my blogs that I run and it is so sad when you look at just how many spam comments I get regularly. People are going nuts with automated programs, so much as that I have half a mind to turn blog comments off, or rarely check them.

    I am a big fan of finding related forums, articles, and web 2.0
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  • Profile picture of the author zandhal
    I agree with you although if we comment on blog/site we must check that the whole site dofollow ora nofollow. An autoapprove comment site will be nice for us to get backlink
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  • Profile picture of the author F1SEO
    A timely reminder of not just thinking about back link sources. I never blog comment for a link. Only do I add a comment if I have something to I'm interested in.
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    • Profile picture of the author kaylomarketing
      I agree. There is nothing worse than someone who enters a query and is confronted with a page with irrelevant content, just because it's been spammed with backlinks to get to the front page. Creating and sharing valuable input is what drives conversation, ultimately driving more traffic to your website. Keep it interesting and keep it real!
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    I doubt about the effect of articles on traffic. Many articles can not drive too much traffic to our websites but they can be useful for getting backlinks from them. Whats your idea?
    Also in my opinion, having backlinks from each quality websites is good but having them from relevant websites is JUST better.
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  • Very good advice, the only thing is sometimes people are going to have to resort to forming back-links from unrelated blogs/forums. For example my niche is "Leather" and its nearly impossible to find an active forum in this niche, or even a furniture forum. If anybody knows of any please share, but other than that very important info.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by theleathercollection View Post

      Very good advice, the only thing is sometimes people are going to have to resort to forming back-links from unrelated blogs/forums. For example my niche is "Leather" and its nearly impossible to find an active forum in this niche, or even a furniture forum. If anybody knows of any please share, but other than that very important info.
      Lol. You might want to look into some of the umm...'making love' forums
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      • Profile picture of the author GrowTallerNiche
        The bottom line is that anything that drives traffic and increases your search engine visibility is better than anything that drives traffic alone...

        In order for no-follow links to be effective they have to be laser targeted. They can't be in vertical niches. And for some niches laser targeted forums can be limited... Whereas for a do-follow link you can post in all kinds of forums and still get some return on your time even if direct traffic is minimal.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
          Originally Posted by GrowTallerNiche View Post

          The bottom line is that anything that drives traffic and increases your search engine visibility is better than anything that drives traffic alone...

          In order for no-follow links to be effective they have to be laser targeted. They can't be in vertical niches. And for some niches laser targeted forums can be limited... Whereas for a do-follow link you can post in all kinds of forums and still get some return on your time even if direct traffic is minimal.
          You can't drive traffic without a backlink Unless you just provide your website as regular text with no hyperlink LOL.

          Traffic building is always link building as well. One in the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author tovan
    Your advice is very useful but with a lazy person like me it is not practical. I have another tip, and it does quite well with me. Finding out what many people want to know, want to search for and being the first to give them.Then let's Search engines do their jobs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by tovan View Post

      Your advice is very useful but with a lazy person like me it is not practical. I have another tip, and it does quite well with me. Finding out what many people want to know, want to search for and being the first to give them.Then let's Search engines do their jobs.
      Well you can't be the first to give it to them without SEO tovan

      Unless you buy the traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew James
    Spot on, providing something that is useful to real people is always the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    I don't think many people are looking at it the "wrong" way.

    Anyone who does not think "traffic and conversion" in everything they do should not be in IM.

    However, using a broad spectrum traffic generation strategy on lots of my sites, I see a long term trend.

    More than 70% of the traffic comes from Google SERP's.

    So the problem with doing it the "right" way could be you are ignoring the chance to capitalise on the source of most of your traffic, and unfortunately the real-world seems to show that aggressive linking pays results right now.

    So which is the "right" way? The ethical way, or the way that gets results?

    I totally agree though , that where possible, being "ethical" is the right way to do things, but it's a scale.

    If I stand on a spider, lots of people will call me cruel, others will say "its only a spider", while others will say its cruel while doing it themselves when they find one in their bedroom.

    That's the problem you see, ethics are variable.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhonsean
    Well said friend I should say that this method of yours is like a simple way but meaningful to the sense that its a proven strategies and well organized as well as the execution of the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    Originally Posted by friend View Post

    Ok, so you want to build backlinks to your site, right?

    Ok good, that's a good thing.

    However, if you look at backlinks, as 'traffic' instead you'll be better off.

    My mindset, is always a 'how can I get some more traffic to this site?'

    You can drive traffic with...
    • articles
    • press releases
    • blog commenting
    • giving stuff away
    • creating quality web 2.0 properties
    • creating business listings
    • participating in forum
    • Just to name a few...
    Articles - Articles are a great source of traffic, you should write quality articles all the time, instead of spun crap nobody wants to read.

    Why? Because your mindset should always be about the traffic you can get from that article. You still get the backlink, but why not drive traffic too?

    Press releases - Press releases are also a great source of traffic, and in many cases instant, high volumes of it. So when you write a press release, don't write one in 5 minutes that's just a bunch of 'newsy' words so you can submit it for backlinks. Write it well, so you build traffic.

    You should look at press releases as a great traffic source, rather than a 'backlink syndication' system. It's great for backlinks anyways, why not build some traffic with it?

    Quality Web 2.0 properties
    - Don't just spin your articles and submit them to a bunch of Web 2.0 sites. Create fun, intriguing, quality web 2.0 sites since they are an amazing source of free traffic, with your site in front of potentially millions of already active users.

    You should look at building Web 2.0 properties like hubpages, squidoo, and LiveJournal as a way to attract the existing user base they have, you get the backlinks anyways.

    Blog commenting - Why do people feel the need to spam blogs, and write irrelevant comments just for the backlink?

    Newsflash guys, blog commenting is a great source of traffic, spamming blogs doesn't build traffic.

    Why not find 'relevant' blogs, dofollow or not, read them and add value with a comment? You could be driving traffic with every blog comment you leave if you actually provide value, interest and a reason to visit your link.

    You get the backlink anyways, why not take the extra time to find relevant blogs to build traffic with?

    Forum marketing - Instead of finding mass forums to create profile backlinks, why not find relevant forums that you can participate in, and drive traffic with?

    Spend some time helping people out, joining the conversation, making posts, and providing value?

    More backlinks, and great traffic when you do it productively instead of spammishly.

    So the reason I made this post, was so that maybe some of you will begin looking at link building, like 'traffic building' instead.

    Just think, for all the hundreds of low quality links, and wasted time you could have grown to hundreds more visitors per month AND hundreds of relevant, helpful backlinks.

    Don't rely on Google guys, crap happens, build yourself as many sources of external traffic as you can (since your new found traffic generating methods are building backlinks in the process anyways.)
    Great long term traffic strategies. My time is valuable - id probably just buy the traffic instead.

    Not necessarily great SERP Increasing link building tactics - short term. Will work on low competition KW phrases, and will help for a well rounded link profile ... but thats a long term grind if the objective is to get a landing page off googles page 10 and onto page 1 top3 for a competitive term.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

      Great long term traffic strategies. My time is valuable - id probably just buy the traffic instead.

      Not necessarily great SERP Increasing link building tactics - short term. Will work on low competition KW phrases, and will help for a well rounded link profile ... but thats a long term grind if the objective is to get a landing page off googles page 10 and onto page 1 top3 for a competitive term.
      Traffic is usually my goal, sometimes I find myself relying too much on Google. I found that in most cases, when building traffic, rankings typically follow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

      Great long term traffic strategies. My time is valuable - id probably just buy the traffic instead.

      Not necessarily great SERP Increasing link building tactics - short term. Will work on low competition KW phrases, and will help for a well rounded link profile ... but thats a long term grind if the objective is to get a landing page off googles page 10 and onto page 1 top3 for a competitive term.
      Looking at the short term can often be short sighted. What is lost in quick SERP rankings is more than made up for in immediate forum or blog traffic while those rankings take shape.

      If you build that relationship up with your peers and target market than the natural link building will come and add an extra boost to the benefit of the forum links.

      People make a lot of money just off forum traffic, this forum is a great example. There are many large forums in many niches that provide the same opportunity.

      If you are building a business and not just a landing page then the relationship is a crucial part - the SEO is the icing on the cake.
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    Sooner or later, or already, Google and the other search engines will find ways to brush off the blog spammers anyway, so let's just keep it informative and add some value. Peace
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  • Profile picture of the author LiamMcArthur
    What if bad practice has already been performed on your website? - would a complete new URL need to be set up for that website so you can start from scratch?
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by LiamMcArthur View Post

      What if bad practice has already been performed on your website? - would a complete new URL need to be set up for that website so you can start from scratch?
      bad or spammish backlinks don't typically harm rankings, but rather simply have no effect.

      Just build quality links from now on, unless you want to track down all your links and talk to the webmasters and have them removed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
      Originally Posted by LiamMcArthur View Post

      What if bad practice has already been performed on your website? - would a complete new URL need to be set up for that website so you can start from scratch?
      bad or spammish backlinks don't typically harm rankings, but rather simply have no effect.

      Just build quality links from now on, unless you want to track down all your links and talk to the webmasters and have them removed.
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  • I agree that you should look at forum backlinks as traffic, but a couple of thoughts on contibuting should help you focus on the goal.

    1. People will see through attempts to spam. Treat others as you would have them treat yourself. i.e. I wouldn't respond to spam so why should I expect anyone else to.

    2. Become part of forums where you are genuinely interested in the subject matter and will contribute out of the desire to be part of the conversation. Your enthusiasm will come through.

    (edit) (er.. ok I got going and came up with 3 points then)

    3. Each post represents you and your website. I would much rather be known as someone who adds value to a topic than someone who just posts a backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author gtree
    lol really a good thread to avoid the things while we backlink the sites. spamming get down from big G
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  • A really good read, wish I would've read this months ago...I try to contribute to this forum daily giving the "little" knowledge on SEO that I have!
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  • Profile picture of the author dhex
    Its true every backlink is not worth going for. Spammy backlinks may even degrade your repitation by spoiling your backlink portfolio (especially if you get them while your site is new). But when it comes to backlinking for SEO, referral traffic is just icing on the cake. The real traffic is the one you get from search engines. Relying on referral traffic is a risky strategy. In fact it’s far riskier than relying on Google.

    Who do you trust the most? Google or some random site to maintain your link on its page. Google need to keep you on the SERP as long as your site provides valuable content. That's the basic business model of search engines. Whereas random sites you use to acquire backlinks will not want to keep your links because they lose traffic through your link. (unless they are making money out of it).

    I have tried ezine and other referral traffic generation methods but nothing beat organic search traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Great tips, it's all about the traffic, like building driving customers to a shop (your site) no customers no sale
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