Why can't I rank first?

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Howdy,

I have decided that I am going to share my very first project, since I wish to know why I cannot manage to rank higher than I do. The site doesn't convert either, so I figured there is no loss if someone decides to go into the niche.

My site is called Best PHP Book. Theres another backlink...

Here is a printscreen from Market Samurai:



Site is currently ranked as #2 and #3. My questions are:

- Is it domain-links, domain-age and PR that is keeping me down?

Best Regards
#rank
  • Profile picture of the author AmyKay
    Age and page rank are my guesses. Is the top one older?
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  • Profile picture of the author Benguy
    I'm not really sure that there is really any way to answer why your site isn't #1. You could spend months posting and reading around this forum and listening to the resident SEO experts, and you would learn a lot, but you would never get a precise answer to this question. I think it would be best to recognize that you are doing something right to get #2 + #3 in the first place, and put your head down and get to work. Keep doing what you are doing and maybe try some new strategies for ranking.

    For the conversion rate, when i checked out your site there wasn't really anything that made me want to click on the link to the sales page. I would suggest adding another post introducing some new colors/graphics and an attention grabbing header to get people to click through.
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    • Profile picture of the author dadamson
      Originally Posted by Benguy View Post

      I'm not really sure that there is really any way to answer why your site isn't #1. You could spend months posting and reading around this forum and listening to the resident SEO experts, and you would learn a lot, but you would never get a precise answer to this question. I think it would be best to recognize that you are doing something right to get #2 + #3 in the first place, and put your head down and get to work. Keep doing what you are doing and maybe try some new strategies for ranking.

      For the conversion rate, when i checked out your site there wasn't really anything that made me want to click on the link to the sales page. I would suggest adding another post introducing some new colors/graphics and an attention grabbing header to get people to click through.
      Agreed. Keep building links and doing what you have been doing to get to number 2. Over time and with a little patience you should get there.

      But don't focus all your energy on getting there. Work on other projects too.

      A quick tip, write a captivating meta description. Often, the 2nd place will have a higher clickthrough if their description is more captivating than position 1. Just keep that in mind.
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      • Profile picture of the author waldemar
        Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

        Agreed. Keep building links and doing what you have been doing to get to number 2. Over time and with a little patience you should get there.

        But don't focus all your energy on getting there. Work on other projects too.

        A quick tip, write a captivating meta description. Often, the 2nd place will have a higher clickthrough if their description is more captivating than position 1. Just keep that in mind.
        Thanks for the advice.

        The keyword has about 2400 searches monthly and I recieve around 600 or so from this. The rest comes from other keywords and backlinks.

        So, I guess I should start rethinking my descriptions then.

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        I myself believe that the reasons it doesnt convert is:

        1. AdSense ads are not related
        2. The people with interest in php has enough interest in the internet that they know they can find great guides for free.

        Perhaps I should aim at listbuilding with this site instead?

        Best Regards
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Benguy View Post

      You could spend months posting and reading around this forum and listening to the resident SEO experts, and you would learn a lot, but you would never get a precise answer to this question.
      You won't get a precise answer because there is NO precise answer.

      We know nothing about you, your rep, your site's rep, your sites overall SEO,
      content, trustworthiness, authority, nothing.

      We know nothing about the site at #1. Nothing. Not their rep, their overall SEO,
      their site's rep, authority, trustworthiness, why google loves them. Nothing.

      Pure conjecture.

      There are no guarantees and I wish people would stop asking this question.
      It can't be answered. People can just cargo on a lot of stuff like number
      of backlinks, age, etc., which may or may not have anything to do with
      anything.

      There is no magic formula. Stop looking for one.

      Keep doing good things and in time, maybe, great things will happen to you!

      But don't hold your breath while you are waiting.

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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    First sight on this, it could be the page rank, domain age, and incoming links.

    It has a higher page rank than yours, older domain age, and much more incoming links?


    Aiden
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  • Profile picture of the author jzhao168
    In order to get #1 ranking on google you need excessive natural backlinks, a site with high PR and posting on forums, commenting on blogs, social media and etc. When I say "natural backlinks building" I mean building backlinks relevant to your site without buying 1000's of backlinks something like "1000 backlinks for $9.99USD". Buying backlinks can cause your site to be penalized by google or even blacklisted?
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    • Profile picture of the author waldemar
      Originally Posted by jzhao168 View Post

      In order to get #1 ranking on google you need excessive natural backlinks, a site with high PR and posting on forums, commenting on blogs, social media and etc. When I say "natural backlinks building" I mean building backlinks relevant to your site without buying 1000's of backlinks something like "1000 backlinks for $9.99USD". Buying backlinks can cause your site to be penalized by google or even blacklisted?
      No you don't. You just need to be better than the competition... But thanks for the reply.

      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

      First sight on this, it could be the page rank, domain age, and incoming links.

      It has a higher page rank than yours, older domain age, and much more incoming links?


      Aiden
      Yes... But not for the page that is ranked first (Well, PR but nothing else). Amazon has 110 000 000 backlinks and PR3 but I beat Amazon. Amazon is also part of the Yahoo directory and the onpage SEO is equal.

      Originally Posted by Benguy View Post

      I'm not really sure that there is really any way to answer why your site isn't #1. You could spend months posting and reading around this forum and listening to the resident SEO experts, and you would learn a lot, but you would never get a precise answer to this question. I think it would be best to recognize that you are doing something right to get #2 + #3 in the first place, and put your head down and get to work. Keep doing what you are doing and maybe try some new strategies for ranking.

      For the conversion rate, when i checked out your site there wasn't really anything that made me want to click on the link to the sales page. I would suggest adding another post introducing some new colors/graphics and an attention grabbing header to get people to click through.
      Thanks for the tips.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    Not sure about ranking, but I can tell you why you're not converting: The site is a mess. I would get rid of the blog style format and make a static page, then CLEARLY present the info you are trying to communicate. No one wants to wade through a bunch of random posts that don't tell them anything of value or present the information in an appealing way.

    If your site doesn't give someone something compelling/interesting to read within 3 seconds, they will probably click away. Also, most tech savvy people recognize adsense and are unlikely to click on anything in those ads. I would recommend selling a product to go along with your book reviews.
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    • Profile picture of the author waldemar
      Originally Posted by ryanjm View Post

      Not sure about ranking, but I can tell you why you're not converting: The site is a mess. I would get rid of the blog style format and make a static page, then CLEARLY present the info you are trying to communicate. No one wants to wade through a bunch of random posts that don't tell them anything of value or present the information in an appealing way.

      If your site doesn't give someone something compelling/interesting to read within 3 seconds, they will probably click away. Also, most tech savvy people recognize adsense and are unlikely to click on anything in those ads. I would recommend selling a product to go along with your book reviews.
      Thank you for your comments.

      I would say that what you say is true. But at the same time I wanted to fill the site with keywords even though I didn't have time to write anything. I wanted to keep the blog updated daily to get some Google-love.
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  • Profile picture of the author waldemar
    I changed that so I have the keywords all page names. I actually discovered that optiom a week ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author waldemar
    A little update on this one:

    Scroogle now ranks me first but Google says I am second. I am convinced this is a good sign.

    Adsense CTR is a lot better. When I excluded traffic from a campaign I ran I can see that the organic traffic has a CTR of 2-4% which is great IMO.

    Sales are not skyrocketing even though half the traffic hits a review-page. But I will do some writing that hopefully will fix that.

    Best Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesMSpacey
    Originally Posted by waldemar View Post

    Howdy,


    - Is it domain-links, domain-age and PR that is keeping me down?
    All 3. Ranking is complex. Just keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    You dont have too many high quality back links...This is key if you are looking to rank not only with your main keywords but other ones as well...by the way your page rank is greyed out but your site is cached (nov 25) which is good....Try to build some high page rank in the beginning but they have to be quality sites and contextual in format...I also noticed that your site has lots of adsense..nothing wrong with that but Google is not so much in favor of all adsense websites...However this is not a super biggie but maybe something to consider...I would also work on your site structure more....For example your top nav bar is all google adsense...So a total overhaul of your onsite along with intelligent link building and you will get there for sure...I have done it for 12 years now so I know that works for my clients..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Let me get this straight.

      The OP has a ONE MONTH OLD site - and he's complaining he can't manipulate google to rank his ONE MONTH OLD site above a site that has been online for SEVEN YEARS.

      Well, gee - ya think?

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      • Profile picture of the author waldemar
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Let me get this straight.

        The OP has a ONE MONTH OLD site - and he's complaining he can't manipulate google to rank his ONE MONTH OLD site above a site that has been online for SEVEN YEARS.

        Well, gee - ya think?

        kay
        That you cant read?

        I am studying seo and wanr to learn. I don't cimplain. I decided to share the site so that people could get something to base their answers on.

        I am thrilled that I atually managed to reach the first page. My next goal is to reach the first position.. I have read so much about people accomplishing this fast so I figured there must be more things I can do. My idea was that by sharing my site people could visit it and point things out.

        Best Regards.
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        • Profile picture of the author seovcim
          Hello all,

          According to me there may be the problem of the ranking or the domain name and the age of the domain name,that all are major for the ranking i the search engine.

          Thanks.....
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  • Profile picture of the author mchljns678
    To keep your rankings up, you will need to regularly update your site with new content as the addition of new content will keep the search engine spiders regularly coming back to your site to index your content. For this reason, it is a good exercise to plan out your site in advance so that you know what articles you will be adding and where they will go all in advance.

    How long until your site will get to page one? That can be in as little as a day or two if the search term is not too competitive. What often happens is that your site will come rapidly up the search engine results and then fall back as the real value of the site is determined by the Google bots. From there on in you need to add more content and external links to keep it rising in the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    ryanjm is on the money, read his post again about why you are not converting

    you need to make it look less "bloggy" (a technical term )

    strip out the adsense to focus instead on the ebook sales

    all to make your site look more "authoritative" (another one of those technical terms )

    thus,
    this will improve your conversion rate

    however, remember you are selling to highly technically literate people compared to the average joe out there

    you can't thus go around with a shoddy looking site which a large segment of your market could do better in their sleep!

    also don't have too high expectations... as this market niche would have a mountain of highly quality books at their fingertips for "free" from BT etc

    I personally would've picked a different niche, unless PHP is a your passion big time! Hence you're half doing this for the love of it AND you also really know your stuff hardcore

    [which to be honest I kinda STRONGLY doubt, become come on... you're using a CMS *written in* PHP and you're site looks that blah!! and yes, I do kinda fall inside your market as a PHP programmer]
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    Oh, and I've been reading through your blog posts...

    Noticed a theme, you need to do less of this:

    1) making excuses
    2) being defeatist
    3) whining

    Who wants to read that?

    Drop all of that NOW!

    Be upbeat and positive in future updates

    [oh, and last comment: only two colours you are using. Even worse, blue on blue as your colours for your site?? Seriously! A bit bland don't you think? ]
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    • Profile picture of the author waldemar
      Originally Posted by mathmo View Post

      Oh, and I've been reading through your blog posts...

      Noticed a theme, you need to do less of this:

      1) making excuses
      2) being defeatist
      3) whining

      Who wants to read that?

      Drop all of that NOW!

      Be upbeat and positive in future updates

      [oh, and last comment: only two colours you are using. Even worse, blue on blue as your colours for your site?? Seriously! A bit bland don't you think? ]
      Thats a ton of things you point out. Exactly the reson I shared a link! Thanks, will try to answer some of your questions.

      My idea was to create a blog. Why? Because everyone have blogs, I didnt want to make it look like a sales-letter. By including whining and excuses it would seem more honest and perhaps convert better. At least that was my idea.

      Regarding the looks. I had a much better theme earlier but switched since I found a few different sites that claimed that this theme was the theme to use in order to convert with adsense. I know it looks ****ty, and to be honest I think the theme is all about making the visitor clicking ads by misstake.

      Writing from my cellphone now, will write more once I get home.

      Best Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    heh, I lied! As I just had to come back with another suggestion to help you out... as you really have sooo much wrong with your site it is hard to resist. :rolleyes:

    Now, how about you look at this blog entry:

    Best PHP Book: Another day… | Best PHP Book

    Tell me, what is the point of it? What is its PURPOSE?

    If it doesn't have one it is diluting the power of your site.

    In my mind there is no doubt you should not have posted that in your circumstances.
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  • Profile picture of the author ann1986
    Most of your links are just pointing to your home page. to make it look natural you have to build links for other pages of your site as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
      Originally Posted by ann1986 View Post

      Most of your links are just pointing to your home page. to make it look natural you have to build links for other pages of your site as well.
      Yes, having backlinks for both home page and inner pages is better but i think its not the reason of his ranking on Google. It relates to quality and amount of his backlinks IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author earwyn.thomas
    The thing you have to focus on is to widen your horizon and then scout for relevant links for the consumption of your website. It is just that you have to be smart enough in knowing whom to trust on this. The industry that you are moving in is full or cunning individuals. Only choose the reputable and powerful links bearing the page ranks of six or seven.
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