I think drip feeding links is pointless

by AFI
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When people warn you of getting too many backlinks in one day, I think that whole idea is a myth. What happens when a small guy gets picked up in the news headlines to the point of sometimes his server is down because he's got so much traffic coming into his site from different news sources.....they don't get sandboxed. What is everyone's opinion on drip feeding anything, articles, links, etc. I think it's a load of BS. Otherwise we could just spam the heck out of our competition and get them sandboxed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    this will become a debate and it will never end

    I also do not believe it. I'd actually recommend people to try getting "sandboxed" asap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Hi Jennifer,

    I think you might enjoy this thread

    Its pretty much the extreme opposite of this one...
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    • Profile picture of the author theimdude
      You see it depends what you do

      1. You add 200 articles to your blog a day
      2. You add 2 articles to your blog a day

      Now if you visitors to your blog get 200 articles added to read how would they react to 2 articles a day.

      Not sure how the search engines would react but as a human I will unsubscribe from reading you blog @ 200 a day

      So to me you saying it is BS is not true [Unless of course you build websites for robots as I build them to add value to the internet for the human race]

      Sorry needed to add this. I had a website that was getting search engine traffic like mad selling a product on cb. I was so happy as I was making +- $1000 a month on this site. Then one month the traffic got so grazy that it exceeded my bandwidth. I did not know about that and the site went off line say "suspended for to much bandwidth" and stayed like that for 3 days and reset the following month as it was 3 days before month end.

      The following month the sales dropped to 2 sales and the next month nothing and I started looking into the problem. I then found the 3 day downtime. My site was nowhere to be found in google and only a few places in yahoo. I tried for a few months to get it back but then gave up.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Unless you suddenly create 200K blog links that Google suddenly starts encountering in bulk in bulk, then you are usually fine. Of course there are exceptions as its not an exact science.
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Jennifer,

      Do you think the Google algorithms can tell the difference between syndicated news feed API's and other sources of links? Being that they can so easily separate news feed results from other search results that is?

      It's not the number of links that I query... it's their source and origin.

      Food for thought.

      Paul Barrs
      This is a good argument. I still am not sure if I believe in the whole theory of building links slowly though.
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  • Profile picture of the author mad.hat
    Originally Posted by AFI View Post

    When people warn you of getting too many backlinks in one day, I think that whole idea is a myth. What happens when a small guy gets picked up in the news headlines to the point of sometimes his server is down because he's got so much traffic coming into his site from different news sources.....they don't get sandboxed. What is everyone's opinion on drip feeding anything, articles, links, etc. I think it's a load of BS. Otherwise we could just spam the heck out of our competition and get them sandboxed.
    If search engines find a huge number of backlinks to your site suddenly there is a very real chance that the site drops off the SERPs for a while. This generally only happens to sites that have been indexed for less than a year and only if the search engine (lets just say Google from now because, come on) FIND a lot more backlinks than normal (for that specific site) at any given time.

    The reason you see this happen is because Google really doesn't know what to do with your site. You're in no way an authority on your keyword because you have not even been indexed for a year and there is a chance that you don't really deserve (in their eyes) higher rankings for just one day of backlinking which could of been a fluke.

    Now I offer a service a here WarriorForum and I've been pushing millions of links daily for years so I do know what I am talking about when it comes to subject. I've been able to back-test/split-test like crazy and my clients have really benefited from it.

    What I always suggest to my clients when it comes up is to NOT try and force their backlinks to be indexed by Google. Yeah, I may be creating 400k backlinks or more for them in 72 hours but its better just to let Google do its thing. Those links are going to be found and its much better to find them over time then to have a one shot deal.

    Of course, if your site has been indexed for years, has the exact match domain, consistent traffic and a solid backlinking strategy you NEVER run into the problem where Google find "too many" backlinks for your site.

    Its really a shame when I hear people talking about building backlinks slowly. The thing is that the topic of SEO is very profitable for many different people. There are those that will knowingly mislead and lie to keep the competition down and there are those that just say very radical things to create a divide and establish themselves as an expert to all those that side with their opinions.

    Of course, there are also people who will say anything just to try and sell you something and I see it everywhere every single day. Its sad.

    The truth is that if you have the capabilities to build 200 backlinks every single day then you should be building 200 backlinks every single day. SEO never really stops and if your site suddenly drops off the SERPs you should continue your 200 backlinks per day because Google will keep indexing you backlinks if you keep building them and if they see solid backlinking on a consistent basis they will boost you to the top of the SERPs.

    There is no ultimate goal with SEO because even once you get the top spot on the first page you need to fend of the competition. You may think you jumped on a keyword with weak competition but one day someone with more resources (money) than you will come along and try to knock you off. Believe me, SEO is a battle fought daily and its you against the world.

    SEO is not for sissies (not directed at anyone) and if you want to make real money you either need to know something that your competition and the masses don't or your need to have more time and resources than them because I'm definitely starting to see stronger and stronger battles fought for even more moderately competitive keywords.

    I apologize if I got a little carried away. It tends to happen. Anyways I hope I've been able to fully answer your questions. If not, drip feeding is pointless. Create as many quality links as you can but don't waste time trying to get them indexed. If your links are not nofollow/noindex they will get found and you just need to do your job which is to build as many backlinks per day as you can.

    Anyone that thinks creating 200 backlinks per day using free methods is not possible must be dreaming. In just two hours of very light work you can easily generate 400 quality backlinks without spending a red cent. Doubters are free to PM for details.

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    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

    Hi Jennifer,

    I think you might enjoy this thread

    Its pretty much the extreme opposite of this one...
    HAHAHA! I am pretty sure that the OP of that thread is talking about me! Oh and just for the record I can push 38 million links in a 72 hour period for my me, my clients and my resellers' clients with including what I have put aside for my new campaigns at WarriorForum. I see the OP said I something about 4 100k+ orders being turned around in 4 days.

    I don't know if he got that from me but I'll be about to dedicate enough resources to my clients and resellers at WarriorForum alone to support 7.5 million links per day. Don't know where he got that figure, if I mentioned those numbers it was just as an example or something because if its directed at me the number is so low its almost insulting.

    Anyways, no hard feelings against anyone. When it comes to SEO you'll see a ton of people trying to get a straight answer and a ton of people trying to impose their views. The ones who are banking are those that just do and learn for themselves. Once again, its a battle out there and you shouldn't listen to anyone who tries to force something onto you. You'll usually find out they are not trying to just help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFreebieGuy
    Google can definitely tell the difference between a thousand crap links that are spammy and links from news sites. It assigns a certain level of authority to different sites based on a number of different things.

    I personally know someone who got affected by building links too quickly. They rose in the search engines relatively quick and then fell off the cyber planet.

    I'm not sure how quickly they were building links, but it definitely does show that there's a point where Google gets suspicious and gives you the slap.

    Personally, I try to stay away from that type of slap and work to make my link building efforts as natural as possible. It has worked so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    I have seen both cases yet. Some websites with a lot of daily backlinks rank high and some others loss their ranking. I don't know the exact reason but i think it highly depends on the quality of links. If you get thousands of quality backlinks in one day from news websites, Google is intelligent enough to find that this website should rank high as important websites linked to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sweeney
    Originally Posted by AFI View Post

    When people warn you of getting too many backlinks in one day, I think that whole idea is a myth. What happens when a small guy gets picked up in the news headlines to the point of sometimes his server is down because he's got so much traffic coming into his site from different news sources.....they don't get sandboxed. What is everyone's opinion on drip feeding anything, articles, links, etc. I think it's a load of BS. Otherwise we could just spam the heck out of our competition and get them sandboxed.
    I completely agree Jennifer. I used to worry about building backlinks too fast, and all that did was keep me from building backlinks at all because I didn't know how many were too many and was scared of getting my sites banned in Google. Now, though, after realizing the same facts that you stated in the original post, I often get like 3000+ profile backlinks blasted to each one of my sites, and nothing has happened to those sites yet...except for the fact that I acquired and have been holding for some time now the #1 position in Google for several keywords I'm shooting for . Here's the fact. If you blast thousands of links to your site in one day, Google isn't going to find, crawl, and index those links all in that same day! Rather, Google will find them slowly over time. Who knows, I could be "wrong", but all I know for sure is this: Ever since I started building tons of backlinks daily, my sites have gotten #1 rankings and have held their positions. Hope that helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Jennifer, the thread could have stopped after your one post.
      Or at least the replies should have all been, "Way to go!"

      But, sadly, every so often it seems we feel the need to debate it.

      You can build thousands of spammy links. How google can figure this out is
      beyond me. That man behind the curtain again, I suppose.

      Those links that are spammy or low level will not count for squat. They
      may be a complete waste of time.

      BUT...that does not mean in any way, shape, or form, that they hurt!

      There is a huge difference between helping, not helping, and actually hurting.

      Unless you get 50,000 in one day...but even then the logic behind those
      hurting is at least a little flawed. Going viral is a goal, not a detriment.

      If people sat back, relaxed, and thought about backlinks...
      "Gee..it takes me so long to get google to recognize all my fantastic backlinks
      I built today..."

      Exactly. And yet we somehow think that thousands of spammy links suddenly
      are seen by google in one fell swoop? If it were only so.

      Of those 50,000 in one big spammy day, what percentage on that day are
      actually seen by google? Probably next to none. The sites would be almost
      invisible to google.

      The flip side is this. If you got 50,000 fantastic, high PR links, on sites with
      authority and google love, you'd be in hog heaven with google. But that
      aint gonna be even close to happening unless you go viral. And you want
      to go viral. Meaning, you want thousands of links!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      When people warn you of getting too many backlinks in one day, I think that whole idea is a myth.
      Jennifer, it is in fact a myth promulgated by those who refuse to perform actual "Case Studies." Case in point, remember this saying, "Content is King"? I've have case studies to prove that saying is a farce!

      I have websites that I launched [intentionally] with NO content. They have existed with NO content now for over 4 years. All I did was build BLs to those sites and added 2 affiliate programs and nothing else. Those sites have built up PR and top SERP rankings for their targeted keywords... with ZERO content.

      If I only did it once, they would be an aberration or an anomaly. But if I perform the exact same test on separate domains that's a case study that disproves the myth.

      Originally Posted by Billy Rey View Post

      this will become a debate and it will never end
      I also do not believe it. I'd actually recommend people to try getting "sandboxed" asap.
      Billy, slight correction; it will remain a debate only for those who refuse to perform case studies. Once a person performs case studies, they are no longer fueled to engage in: what ifs, maybes, hypotheses, presuppositions, innuendos and potential possibilities based on conjecture.

      Originally Posted by TheFreebieGuy View Post

      Google can definitely tell the difference between a thousand crap links that are spammy and links from news sites.
      Ok, so can Google tell the difference between my private BL network [which, most non professional SEOers would slam as a SPAM network] and say a BL from the Washington Post?

      Originally Posted by TheFreebieGuy View Post

      I personally know someone who got affected by building links too quickly. They rose in the search engines relatively quick and then fell off the cyber planet. I'm not sure how quickly they were building links, but it definitely does show that there's a point where Google gets suspicious and gives you the slap.
      Actually, it only goes to prove my point about conjecture. As soon as you said, "I'm not sure how quickly they were building links..." anything you said after about his rankings was pure... conjecture.

      Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney View Post

      I completely agree Jennifer. I used to worry about building backlinks too fast, and all that did was keep me from building backlinks at all because I didn't know how many were too many and was scared of getting my sites banned in Google.
      I have a gut level feeling that's what your competition was banking on.

      Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney View Post

      Now, though, after realizing the same facts that you stated in the original post, I often get like 3000+ profile backlinks blasted to each one of my sites, and nothing has happened to those sites yet...except for the fact that I acquired and have been holding for some time now the #1 position in Google for several keywords I'm shooting for.
      That's called a case study by a true IMer! Congrats Chris!

      If more IMers followed that process, a lot more would be successful as opposed to spending time trying to discourage others with their toothless debates.

      REMEMBER this Warriors...

      A man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with a argument.
      One can argue and debate about massive backlinks, auto blogging, content is king, Google hates automate tools, etc., etc., until the cows land on the moon but we who have performed and do perform case studies are not at the mercy of their errant arguments.

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