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It is a great way to increase making money with article marketing. I hope you find them useful.

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Jayzee View Post

    I've found some great spinner, which can help you make good quality articles in few minutes. They're free, so why not give it a try?

    spinnerchief

    myarticlegenerator

    spinprofit

    It is a great way to increase making money with article marketing. I hope you find them useful.

    Jayzee
    Sorry Jayzee but you will attract some negative (and no doubt positive) feedback with this thread.

    Although many use spinners, there are many people that like to be original and market leaders and thus create their own unique content.

    I think this boils down to whether you want backlinks only or whether you want to use article marketing for the full benefits it can achieve for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jayzee
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Sorry Jayzee but you will attract some negative (and no doubt positive) feedback with this thread.

      Although many use spinners, there are many people that like to be original and market leaders and thus create their own unique content.

      I think this boils down to whether you want backlinks only or whether you want to use article marketing for the full benefits it can achieve for you.
      Thanx for the suggestion. I'm not saying they're the best spinners, but they will work good if you want to write some fast articles or to gather some information. If you want me to delete this thread please tell. I'll be honored

      Jayzee
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Jayzee View Post

        Thanx for the suggestion. I'm not saying they're the best spinners, but they will work good if you want to write some fast articles or to gather some information. If you want me to delete this thread please tell. I'll be honored

        Jayzee
        No, I'm not saying you should delete the thread, nor am I in any position to do so.

        I'm just saying I personally don't like using spinners. Thats not to say I'm right either, it's just my opinion.

        I'd just rather be original and use articles for their full benefit.
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        • I'm with Mr Richard Van on this one.

          Although many people that come to me are looking for these sorts of things, I have never seen the need for them. I want everyone out there to know that all these words I pump out into cyberspace are mine.

          Having said that, many that follow me would love this information so I will investigate. I'll let you know what the majority of people think about them.

          So far, I know for a fact that two favorites are 'The best article spinner' and the old fashioned 'UAW'.. Both cost something. I'll ask those in the know and let you know what they know.. Ya know?
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    • Profile picture of the author aj113
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      ....I'm just saying I personally don't like using spinners. .....
      Ummm...no, you're saying this:

      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      ....I think this boils down to whether you want backlinks only or whether you want to use article marketing for the full benefits it can achieve for you...
      You seem to be saying that spinning software is only useful for gaining backlinks (presumably due to perceived low quality) - in fact it is perfectly possible to rewrite existing material using software and get the 'full benefits', just the same as writing an article from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bane
    I've never understood why people enter threads about something they don't use then proceed to tell people why they shouldn't use it... makes my head spin.

    While none of these are amazing in their own right, I've had some success with SpinnerChief in the past.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Bane View Post

      I've never understood why people enter threads about something they don't use then proceed to tell people why they shouldn't use it... makes my head spin.

      While none of these are amazing in their own right, I've had some success with SpinnerChief in the past.
      Thats great for you. As I said I wasn't saying don't use it I merely stated an opinion as you are, that I don't like using them.

      Fairly straight forward really. Re-read what you wrote, the OP started a thread about why you should use it
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayzee
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Thats great for you. As I said I wasn't saying don't use it I merely stated an opinion as you are, that I don't like using them.

        Fairly straight forward really. Re-read what you wrote, the OP started a thread about why you should use it
        You're right, but think of the article sites which pay you for writing articles. What if you want to make money from them? You'll definitely think about spinners right?
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        • Profile picture of the author ArticleGrinder
          Does using software to spin your articles really create a better effect than manually respinning them? I've read so many spun articles and although they pass copyscape, sometimes the articles just don't make any sense. I'm just to used to manually spinning my articles by rewriting each paragraph....
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Jayzee View Post

          You're right, but think of the article sites which pay you for writing articles. What if you want to make money from them? You'll definitely think about spinners right?
          Wrong.

          Article sites that pay you for writing articles? You mean one of two things.

          1) You write for other people. Why would they pay for a spun article?

          2) Article directories. My main point, I would rather submit decent unique articles that other people use, with my link in it, to make me more money.

          Like I said, use spinners all you like. I make good money online and don't use spinners. Alexa makes a fortune online and she doesn't either.

          You can do whatever you like, I'm just giving you my opinion and the opinion of a lot of other people that earn a living online.
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          • Profile picture of the author aj113
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Wrong.

            Article sites that pay you for writing articles? You mean one of two things.

            1) You write for other people. Why would they pay for a spun article?
            .....
            Be careful with that 'wrong' - you may need to retract it.

            Yes, there are article sites that pay you for writing articles - such as Asociated Content. It is a relatively simple task to produce a quality article that is spun from an existent article, then submit it to AC and get paid for it.
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            .....2) Article directories. My main point, I would rather submit decent unique articles that other people use, with my link in it, to make me more money.......
            So would most people, but you can create 'decent unique articles' by using a good quality spinner, in about 10% of the time it takes to write one yourself. Which means that for every 'decent unique article' you subnit to ezine, I can submit 10. Which method do you think will make the most money?
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      Originally Posted by Bane View Post

      I've never understood why people enter threads about something they don't use then proceed to tell people why they shouldn't use it...
      Let's see if we can explain it to you, then, Bane, so that maybe you'll understand it in future.

      It's normally because people who are not using some particular item or technique have previously used it, have first-hand experience of its downsides, have found something better, more profitable and productive (perhaps a different approach, perhaps a different item, perhaps a different technique) and have potentially useful information to offer on the subject.

      That's one of the most useful functions of a forum like this.

      It's a very similar position to what happens when someone posts asking for information about a specific product/service. There are replies from people selling/promoting it, and they have information for sure (as well as sometimes an obvious incentive for their views), but there can also be replies from people who've tried it, abandoned it, and found something better/different. Their views about the subject-matter tend not to be incentivised, and they can therefore be well worth listening to.

      Clearer now?
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      • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Let's see if we can explain it to you, then, Bane, so that maybe you'll understand it in future.

        It's normally because people who are not using some particular item or technique have previously used it, have first-hand experience of its downsides, have found something better, more profitable and productive (perhaps a different approach, perhaps a different item, perhaps a different technique) and have potentially useful information to offer on the subject.

        That's one of the most useful functions of a forum like this.
        Of course there are also those that drive by threads, giving advice on something they have had no practical experience of, but just hate something because someone else told them it was bad. (just mention autoblogging and you'll see what i mean).

        I'm not saying that that happened in this thread.

        I think there are very few legitimate uses of spun content, but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists in the way a lot of people describe as being set in stone.

        You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand (I know because i've done it to get articles published on seolinkvine - it's just most won't take the time to do so - and if you don't believe in the duplicate content myth why would you anyway? (othe than my own example reason of course )
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by profitsforall View Post

          Of course there are also those that drive by threads, giving advice on something they have had no practical experience of, but just hate something because someone else told them it was bad. (just mention autoblogging and you'll see what i mean).

          I'm not saying that that happened in this thread.

          I think there are very few legitimate uses of spun content, but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists in the way a lot of people describe as being set in stone.

          You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand (I know because i've done it to get articles published on seolinkvine - it's just most won't take the time to do so - and if you don't believe in the duplicate content myth why would you anyway? (othe than my own example reason of course )
          Duplicate content is when you duplicate something on your own site or when a site has the same content repeated. What you say doesn't make sense...

          but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists in the way a lot of people describe as being set in stone
          If you don't believe in your version of the infamous and rather tiring subject of duplicate content you may as well submit one article over and over to the same directory. You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really.

          Most won't take the time to spin an article?

          No, most won't take the time to write an original one themselves or pay someone to do so for them.
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          • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Duplicate content is when you duplicate something on your own site or when a site has the same content repeated. What you say doesn't make sense...



            If you don't believe in your version of the infamous and rather tiring subject of duplicate content you may as well submit one article over and over to the same directory. You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really.

            Most won't take the time to spin an article?

            No, most won't take the time to write an original one themselves or pay someone to do so for them.
            Actually - what i said makes perfect sense, when you realise that I am referring to the incorrect interpretation of the duplicate content penalty - namely that content that is the same across multiple domains is duplicate and will be penalised. (which makes a mockery of article syndication.

            To clarify - i don't believe you can submit the same article over and over to the same directory, but i do believe you can submit the same article to many different directories with no spinning (so long as that is within the TOS of the directory).

            "You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really."

            So you can see i didn't actually contradict myself. i mentioned that i spun content for distribution on SEOLinkVine. It doesn't matter whether or not i believe in the incorrect version of the duplicate content penalty - it just matters that those receiving content from SEOLinkVine do - and require you to spin articles.

            So i took my own original hand written article - and spun it.
            I could have used the suggestions made and left it at that but if i am going to distribute an article and there is the slightest chance it will be read by a human and potentially result in a visit then i want to make sure it makes sense.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by profitsforall View Post

              Actually - what i said makes perfect sense, when you realise that I am referring to the incorrect interpretation of the duplicate content penalty - namely that content that is the same across multiple domains is duplicate and will be penalised. (which makes a mockery of article syndication.

              To clarify - i don't believe you can submit the same article over and over to the same directory, but i do believe you can submit the same article to many different directories with no spinning (so long as that is within the TOS of the directory).

              "You actually completely contradict yourself. You don't believe in duplicate content but successfully spin the same article anyway. Kind of defeats the whole object really."

              So you can see i didn't actually contradict myself. i mentioned that i spun content for distribution on SEOLinkVine. It doesn't matter whether or not i believe in the incorrect version of the duplicate content penalty - it just matters that those receiving content from SEOLinkVine do - and require you to spin articles.

              So i took my own original hand written article - and spun it.
              I could have used the suggestions made and left it at that but if i am going to distribute an article and there is the slightest chance it will be read by a human and potentially result in a visit then i want to make sure it makes sense.
              So you spin it and all spun articles make sense?

              I think there are very few legitimate uses of spun content, but all of it boils down to trying to bypass a duplicate content penalty that I'm not sure even exists
              Let me explain what you say here...of all the uses of spun content it all boils down to bypassing a myth that doesn't exist. So why do it? That is a contradiction.

              You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand
              Indistinguishable? So you have a spinner that makes the article 100% unique?

              You don't see how creating lots of original and different articles can possibly be better than lots of spun versions of the same article?
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              • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                So you spin it and all spun articles make sense?

                Let me explain what you say here...of all the uses of spun content it all boils down to bypassing a myth that doesn't exist. So why do it? That is a contradiction.

                Indistinguishable? So you have a spinner that makes the article 100% unique?

                You don't see how creating lots of original and different articles can possibly be better than lots of spun versions of the same article?
                *Sigh*
                I will repeat this for you. I believe there is a duplicate content filter that affects you if you put the same piece of content on your site more than once. I also believe there is a duplicate content myth - that if you have the same piece of content on multiple sites across the internet you will be penalized. I don't believe the myth version.


                Now with that understanding - If enough people believe the myth, then to make use of some promotional services you need to provide spun content.
                I'm talking about services like SEOLinkvine, UAW etc. It doesn't matter that i know it's a myth if i want my article promoted by that service i have to provide a spun article - and this is the reason i will spin something.

                Am i mad to want to use another method of promotion in addition to unique articles. Or is it just smart to want to do both? One might be more effective than the other - but the two together are even better

                I also never said i had a spinner that made something 100% unique. I said I could spin an article so that a reader of any particular version would be unaware that it was spun, unlike the vast majority of spun content.
                Just because the software suggests alternative words doesn't mean you should use them. I used the same writing skills that i write articles with to write alternative phrases, sentences, etc

                "You don't see how creating lots of original and different articles can possibly be better than lots of spun versions of the same article?"

                Of course i do - it's pretty obvious, but do you not understand the simple fact that if i want to make use of certain promotional services I need to also produce content that is spun. And that making use of both might actually be more effective than using one - whichever one that may be.
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It's normally because people who are not using some particular item or technique have previously used it, have first-hand experience of its downsides, have found something better, more profitable and productive (perhaps a different approach, perhaps a different item, perhaps a different technique) and have potentially useful information to offer on the subject.
        I'd like to think this is the case Alexa.

        However I often see that opinions on certain topics become like religion to people and they don't want to consider another point of view, and just butt in a load of threads to spread their view that you shouldn't do spinning or this or that.

        It's funny there is a lot of anti-spinning sentiment on WF, but auto-blogging is adored on here. Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content. I think opinion comes in waves and spinning is a bit 'last season' but fortunately ... it does have a lot of benefit and can be used in tandem with other techniques.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

          I'd like to think this is the case Alexa.

          However I often see that opinions on certain topics become like religion to people and they don't want to consider another point of view, and just butt in a load of threads to spread their view that you shouldn't do spinning or this or that.

          It's funny there is a lot of anti-spinning sentiment on WF, but auto-blogging is adored on here. Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content. I think opinion comes in waves and spinning is a bit 'last season' but fortunately ... it does have a lot of benefit and can be used in tandem with other techniques.
          Hello theemporer,

          I think the point here is that in a previous thread you said you earn around $600 a month. Alexa, on the other hand, makes $10,000 a month, on autopliot, from the 1000 articles she has personally written.

          I'd say she knows what she's talking about.
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          • Profile picture of the author theemperor
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Hello theemporer,

            I think the point here is that in a previous thread you said you earn around $600 a month. Alexa, on the other hand, makes $10,000 a month, on autopliot, from the 1000 articles she has personally written.

            I'd say she knows what she's talking about.
            Yes she does know what she is talking about, I never said she didn't.

            But I don't get personal about what people earn. That's a horrendous attitude T.B.H. . So you are saying that the more you earn, the more valid your opinion is on anything?

            And I never said what I earned from non-IM activities... but I have no need to boast.

            And the point I made is still perfectly valid. Alexa says that some people want to give advice - fine. I also think that there are many people on forums that are religious in their views but won't accept facts presented to them. This is how a lot of myths spread around.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

              Yes she does know what she is talking about, I never said she didn't.

              But I don't get personal about what people earn. That's a horrendous attitude T.B.H.

              And I never said what I earned from non-IM activities... but I have no need to boast.

              And the point I made is still perfectly valid. Alexa says that some people want to give advice - fine. I also think that there are many people on forums that are religious in their views but won't accept facts presented to them. This is how a lot of myths spread around.
              There was nothing personal in what I said.

              You are disagreeing with her on something she is a very respected figure on and I was using the point of earnings to say perhaps her view carries more weight than you.

              There is nothing wrong with taking any view you like in life and to be frank I think compared to most, your IM endevours are going extremely well. $600 is a very nice sum to have each month. I never said thats all you earned but you did say thats what you earned though IM. You could be a lottery winner for all I know. My apologies you find my attitude horrendous.

              So you are saying that the more you earn, the more valid your opinion is on anything?
              Not at all. Lets look at it from a non monetary point of view. She has written over 1000 articles. Have you? I'm just asking because maybe you have.
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              • Profile picture of the author theemperor
                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                There was nothing personal in what I said.

                You are disagreeing with her on something she is a very respected figure on and I was using the point of earnings to say perhaps her view carries more weight than you.

                There is nothing wrong with taking any view you like in life and to be frank I think compared to most, your IM endevours are going extremely well. $600 is a very nice sum to have each month. I never said thats all you earned but you did say thats what you earned though IM. You could be a lottery winner for all I know. My apologies you find my attitude horrendous.
                That's my point - I find your argument very strange!

                In all the debates I've seen on Warrior Forum it has never been mentioned that person X earns more than person Y and therefore person X's opinion is worth more.

                I hope that doesn't become a trend because I love the WF as a place to learn and work towards bigger goals. But I don't want to be made to feel as if I can't give my opinion just because I'm not the guru yet.
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                  Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

                  That's my point - I find your argument very strange!

                  In all the debates I've seen on Warrior Forum it has never been mentioned that person X earns more than person Y and therefore person X's opinion is worth more.

                  I hope that doesn't become a trend because I love the WF as a place to learn and work towards bigger goals. But I don't want to be made to feel as if I can't give my opinion just because I'm not the guru yet.
                  And I apologised for that. That wasn't my point, I also mentioned she'd written 1000 articles but we seem to be bypassing that point.

                  Like I said I think you are doing very well. I happen to value your opinion. I also couldn't care less what you earn, it doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to you.

                  I should have said, she is an extremely experienced and respected article marketer. You are not. Therefore her arguement, when it comes to article marketing, may carry more weight than yours.

                  Once again I apologise for upsetting you. That wasn't my intention.
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                  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
                    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                    And I apologised for that. That wasn't my point, I also mentioned she'd written 1000 articles but we seem to be bypassing that point.

                    Like I said I think you are doing very well. I happen to value your opinion. I also couldn't care less what you earn, it doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to you.

                    I should have said, she is an extremely experienced and respected article marketer. You are not. Therefore her arguement, when it comes to article marketing, may carry more weight than yours.

                    Once again I apologise for upsetting you. That wasn't my intention.
                    Hi OK thanks I accept the apology and I probably took it too personally. So I apologise for that.

                    I may come across as disagreeing with Alexa like she is "wrong" but that wasn't my intention, I was just giving a different point of view and I don't think she is wrong in what she said. My post was more a follow up to what she said than a direct head-on argument.

                    Actually I have suggested to people in the past they should do a warrior forum search on her name for some good tips on article marketing. I might mention that on my blog soon.

                    If she has written 1000 articles then that is amazing. She has written more words to date than I will probably write in my entire lifetime :p.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                      Fair play. You're a good sport. I genuinely didn't mean it to come across as it did. I do regret using that particular thing as a point of comparison.

                      If she has written 1000 articles then that is amazing. She has written more words to date than I will probably write in my entire lifetime :p.
                      Yes, same here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    An intelligent person should be able to use a good spinner and spin articles intelligently.

    If the software is used properly then the results will be as good, readable and informative as the source article. The information can then be distributed with the advantage that the exact same content is not being posted on a blog, lenses, hubs and several article sites.

    I don't really care if some people don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they believe them to be the work of the devil and feel the need to preach about it at every given opportunity.

    Actually, neither do I care if people use them badly and produce rubbish.

    It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      An intelligent person should be able to use a good spinner and spin articles intelligently.

      If the software is used properly then the results will be as good, readable and informative as the source article. The information can then be distributed with the advantage that the exact same content is not being posted on a blog, lenses, hubs and several article sites.

      I don't really care if some people don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they believe them to be the work of the devil and feel the need to preach about it at every given opportunity.

      Actually, neither do I care if people use them badly and produce rubbish.

      It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.
      Any sensible individual should be able to use a decent article spinner and spin content sensibly.

      Providing the software is put to use properly then the final results are going to be as good, understandable and interesting as the original article. The information may then be published with the benefit that completely identical material isn't getting put up on a blog site, a Squidoo lens, Hubpages as well as numerous article directories.

      I don't really care if a few writers don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they consider them to be the work of Satan and wish to spout forth about it at any given chance.

      In fact, neither do I care if individuals use them badly and generate garbage.

      It's my opinion that virtually any tool of this type which is user-driven will merely produce a quality of result in direct proportion to the level of attention the individual provides in operating it.

      Done in about 30 seconds with SpinnerChief.

      The point being that its fast and easy. Not as fast and easy as outsourcing but a whole lot cheaper.

      Of all the arguements against article spinning, this onne is the most baffling:
      Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content.
      Exactly why people use them. Forget whether duplicate content penalties actually exist or not. I just feel better having, say, 20 different articles all making the same point rather than the same 20 articles out there.

      Reading through this post, I actually prefer the spun version, lol
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      • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
        hehe - I feel real dumb.

        I was reading your post - and thought, Jeez why is this guy saying pretty much the same thing as the previous guy.

        Then read the fact you had spun the previous post.

        Doh!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author aj113
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      An intelligent person should be able to use a good spinner and spin articles intelligently.

      If the software is used properly then the results will be as good, readable and informative as the source article. The information can then be distributed with the advantage that the exact same content is not being posted on a blog, lenses, hubs and several article sites.

      I don't really care if some people don't like the concept of an article spinner or that they believe them to be the work of the devil and feel the need to preach about it at every given opportunity.

      Actually, neither do I care if people use them badly and produce rubbish.

      It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.
      An intelligent man or woman will be able to make use of a very good article spinner and rewrite content wisely.
      When the software program is employed appropriately then your final results will probably be of the same quality, legible and enlightening as the source article. The details can then be dispersed with the benefit that the identical content material isn't being published on a weblog, lenses, hubs as well as some article websites.
      I do not actually care if some individuals can't stand the idea of an article rewriter or that they consider them to be the work of satan and desire to preach about this at each and every given chance.
      Essentially, nor do I care if folks use them poorly and generate garbage.
      It's my opinion that any tool of this sort is user-driven and will only produce a quality of results in direct proportion to the level of care a user employs in operating it.

      Just to underline a point - also spun with SpinnerChief - in about 2 minutes. Maybe I should submit it to AC? lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Well it looks like I'll have to respectfully bow out of this one. Spinning clearly works for you guys otherwise you wouldn't be argueing so strongly for it. I will happily accept that.

        I make a very nice sum of money online without spinning, you all clearly do the same with spinning.

        My only point left to make is for profitsforall. In your earlier post you said the following...

        You can use a content spinner to produce content that is indistinguishable from any other article you may have written by hand (I know because i've done it to get articles published on seolinkvine
        I'd like to draw your attention to the word indistinguishable. I feel it's quite important because when Paleochora spun his comment, even with the 2 sitting in the same post you replied with this...

        hehe - I feel real dumb.

        I was reading your post - and thought, Jeez why is this guy saying pretty much the same thing as the previous guy.

        Then read the fact you had spun the previous post.
        So you had to actually read that it had been spun, they were so similar to you. I feel, perhaps you have the words indistinguishable and almost identical mixed up.

        With that I will gracefully accept your arguements, wish you all the very best for the future and a very Merry Christmas.
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        • Profile picture of the author aj113
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          .....I'd like to draw your attention to the word indistinguishable. I feel it's quite important because when Paleochora spun his comment, even with the 2 sitting in the same post you replied with this...
          He said indistinguishable from ANY article, not "unique from the original article". He means that the spun article is indistinguishable from a hand written one in terms of quality and style. That's pretty obvious really - unless you quote him out of context
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

            He said indistinguishable from ANY article, not "unique from the original article". He means that the spun article is indistinguishable from a hand written one in terms of quality and style. That's pretty obvious really - unless you quote him out of context
            Oh thats what he meant, silly me.

            So he spun an article and it didn't look like any other article in the world but it did look almost identical to the one he'd spun. I can see why he'd make that an important point. I'd imagine the original article he wrote also didn't look like any other article as well.

            I see now.

            Thanks for clearing that up for me and educating me in many ways today. I will consider changing how I run things from now on.
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            • Profile picture of the author aj113
              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

              Oh thats what he meant, silly me.

              So he spun an article and it didn't look like any other article in the world but it did look almost identical to the one he'd spun. I can see why he'd make that an important point. I'd imagine the original article he wrote also didn't look like any other article as well.

              I see now.

              Thanks for clearing that up for me and educating me in many ways today. I will consider changing how I run things from now on.
              WTF is wrong with you man? The guy is saying that the quality of his spun articles is indistinguishable from his non-spun articles in terms of quality. i.e. they are human-readable. Why are you trying to make it sound as though he has said something else?
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              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                aj113 - So would most people, but you can create 'decent unique articles' by using a good quality spinner, in about 10% of the time it takes to write one yourself. Which means that for every 'decent unique article' you subnit to ezine, I can submit 10. Which method do you think will make the most money?
                aj113 - WTF is wrong with you man?
                There's nothing effing wrong with me man. It would be nice also, if like myself and profitsforall, who have settled our differences and are now friends if you could refrain from being rude and abusive, its very easy to be like that when you sit behind your computer. Anyway I won't stoop to that level...

                The problem I've had throughout these years is with pulling the wool, so to speak, over the respected article directories eyes, such as EZA. I accept for AC and SEOlinkvine this is may be a good thing to do. I also accept that a spun article done properly does not look like a spun article. I also accept I mistakenly took profitsforall out of context, though not intentionally as you made such a point of accusing me of when you asked me WTF was wrong with me.

                Ok, so thats that bit cleared up. But, in your above quote you say you...

                "for every 'decent unique article' you subnit to ezine, I can submit 10".

                I assume you mean one of two things and I'm very wary of making myself look like there's something wrong with me if I don't cover every base... So either you mean for every one I submit to EZA you submit one of your spun articles to 9 other directories. If thats the case, I will simply submit the same article to all 10 directories. This is not duplicate content, thats when you put the same article on one site more than once, this is a totally different arguement you can take up with the people below...

                OR you mean you submit all your spun versions to EZA, in which case...

                and again I'm not starting an arguement again, because you might think there's something wrong with me for doing so but don't you think the people at EZA might spot the similarities in all ten of your articles like profitsforall did with the spun comment in this thread? This is a genuine question. If you feel you can do this I'm interested in doing so. I assume you'll come back and say you spend a bit of time changeing the spun version round so all 10 look totally different, well, not totally. My point is by the time you've made 10, spun, very similar articles, look totally different, I'd have written another 9 articles anyway.

                I'd also like you take a look at this thread and go and tell Steven Wagenheim, Rosetrees, Alexa Smith, Dogscout, John McCabe and precious007, all very respected article marketers and Internet marketing experts of considerable note, who all say EZA is a bit stricter than what you do. The title of the thread is "Does ezinearticles take spun articles?"

                Which method do you think will make the most money?
                I think you need to take that up with the likes of the people in the above thread "Does EZA take spun content". What method do I think will make more money? I don't care, whats more to the point is I outsource nearly all of it, so when you're spinning, I'm getting an experienced article marketer to write mine. I've been doing this for 7 years, I have over 60 niche sites across many many niches, that do me very well, I own the largest, well second largest (for now), Ecommerce envelope company in the UK.

                But what do I know, there's something wrong with me anyway.
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                • Profile picture of the author inter123
                  Hi.

                  I posted this question before but got lost during peak time posting.

                  From an SEO perspective, what is the purpose of using spinning software if there are directories out there willing to accept previously published content? Why not just take your article already published on Ezine and submit it elsewhere? Is it a case that search engines are more likely to index if it appears origional?

                  Cheers.

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                  • Profile picture of the author aj113
                    Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                    Hi.

                    I posted this question before but got lost during peak time posting.

                    From an SEO perspective, what is the purpose of using spinning software if there are directories out there willing to accept previously published content? Why not just take your article already published on Ezine and submit it elsewhere? Is it a case that search engines are more likely to index if it appears origional?

                    Cheers.

                    Jim.
                    The directories that take previously published material are not necessarily the best ones, so you will not necessarily get the best traffic or the best quality backlinks if you use these directories.

                    Having said that, the directories that accept previously published material will drive as much traffic as unique material will. But your backlink could be weak and the article itself will probably be relegated to supplemental results in the SERPS.
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                • Profile picture of the author aj113
                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                  ....... So either you mean for every one I submit to EZA you submit one of your spun articles to 9 other directories. ....
                  OR you mean you submit all your spun versions to EZA, in which case.........
                  Neither. You missed the bit where I said it takes me 10% of the time to rewrite an article compared to you writing a new one. So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.

                  Simply choose your article, (yes from ezine itself if you want), rewrite it, and submit it. Job done in 5-10 minutes using SpinnerChief's reciprocal super replace system. (and SpinnerChief will even submit the article(s) for you).

                  So I ask again. What is going to make more money, one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?

                  Check this out - posted only today from the SC support forum:

                  This software is ridiculously good! Reciprocal super replace is an absolute godsend, I would always put off spinning my articles for ages because it would take me so long to go through and make sure it's all readable. The entire process now takes me less than 10 minutes!
                  Why the hell everyone isn't on Spinnerchief yet, I have NO idea. It is the VLC media player of spinners! Thanks guys, I hope you keep it free.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                    Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                    Neither. You missed the bit where I said it takes me 10% of the time to rewrite an article compared to you writing a new one. So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.

                    Simply choose your article, (yes from ezine itself if you want), rewrite it, and submit it. Job done in 5-10 minutes using SpinnerChief's reciprocal super replace system. (and SpinnerChief will even submit the article(s) for you).
                    Thanks for clarifying that for me.

                    So I get an article accepted at EZA. You pop along and spin my aricle for your benefit. You don't even write the original or at least you think it's fine not to. Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing. You take someones else's hard work, remove the bio link and spin it and re submit it to the same directory multiple times. How ingenious of you. How you decide to make your money is up to you.

                    As I pointed you to that other thread, you clearly think the accomplished article writers are all wrong, they all say EZA don't accept spun content. You do think they're wrong don't you? You did read the thread didn't you? But you say "one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?" So clearly, in your opinion, they are wrong, you can submit 10 spun articles to EZA? I shall PM some of them I know well and ask them to clarify your opinion on the matter. One spun version I'm sure you can get away with but you're using the same software that spun it to submit it to EZA. So ten spun articles of the original in one go, or drip fed? EZA must be easy to get into nowadays.

                    As to your silly question, what makes the most money? One article on EZA or your 10 spun versions. That depends on many factors, including how many people have put my article on their high traffic site, which article actually ranks and of course the main point, whether or not EZA realise you stole my article and spun it 10 times.

                    It's a ridiculous question.

                    I pay a highly sought after article marketer to write highly skilled and persuasive articles that people regularly use on their sites and make me money. You pick any old article and spin it. Also I don't care if your method makes more money, for me it doesn't fit in with my business model. As for the testamonial, forget it. Biggest hyped up testamonial I've ever seen.

                    Finally you say...

                    So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.
                    Never said they were duplicates, already said that. Now who's quoting people out of context.

                    Also what is so different between the three versions of the comments already spun in this thread, that one person here thought was the same comment. Hardly "completely different". Even if you have to mess about to make them so different, I'm sitting around whilst someone does all this for me.

                    But why do want to hear what I'm saying anyway? What do I know?

                    You do what you want, because I couldn't care less. I'll do what I want.
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                    • Profile picture of the author aj113
                      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                      ....So I get an article accepted at EZA. You pop along and spin my aricle for your benefit.
                      Correct.
                      You don't even write the original or at least you think it's fine not to.
                      Correct
                      Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing.
                      Oh boo-hoo so what? Sounds like you're upset because I am marketing smarter than you.
                      You take someones else's hard work, remove the bio link and spin it and re submit it to the same directory multiple times.
                      Nope I submit it once. You are making it up mate.

                      As I pointed you to that other thread, you clearly think the accomplished article writers are all wrong, they all say EZA don't accept spun content. You do think they're wrong don't you?
                      No mate, I KNOW they're wrong, I do it every day. You want me to spin one of yours and get it accepted?
                      You did read the thread didn't you?
                      A link would be useful.
                      But you say "one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?" So clearly, in your opinion, they are wrong, you can submit 10 spun articles to EZA? I shall PM some of them I know well and ask them to clarify your opinion on the matter. One spun version I'm sure you can get away with but you're using the same software that spun it to submit it to EZA. So ten spun articles of the original in one go, or drip fed? EZA must be easy to get into nowadays.
                      You still don't get it mate. I am not talking about spinning the same arfticle ten times, I'm talking about taking 10 different articles and spinning each one once. Got it? 10 different, unique articles all submitted to ezine in the time it takes you to do one. That's pretty cool.

                      As to your silly question, what makes the most money?
                      Yeah sorry about that, it was in respionse to this silly statement:
                      I make a very nice sum of money online without spinning
                      One article on EZA or your 10 spun versions. That depends on many factors, including how many people have put my article on their high traffic site, which article actually ranks and of course the main point, whether or not EZA realise you stole my article and spun it 10 times.
                      It's like you are deliberately misconstruing my words to make your own point - a straw man. Nowhere at any point have I said that I spin 10 versions of the same article.

                      It's a ridiculous question.
                      Yep, it sure is, I was trying to highlight the ridiculous statement that prompted it - but I guess it was too subtle.

                      I pay a highly sought after article marketer to write highly skilled and persuasive articles that people regularly use on their sites and make me money. You pick any old article and spin it.
                      OH really? And how do you know on what basis I choose articles?
                      Also I don't care if your method makes more money, for me it doesn't fit in with my business model.
                      Fine - my business model is 'make as much money as you can'

                      As for the testamonial, forget it. Biggest hyped up testamonial I've ever seen.
                      There's no need to hype up a testimonal, there's a couple of hundred others on there if you want to take a look, many of them from members of this forum.

                      Finally you say...

                      Never said they were duplicates, already said that. Now who's quoting people out of context.

                      Also what is so different between the three versions of the comments already spun in this thread, that one person here thought was the same comment. Hardly "completely different".
                      Oh dear, deliberately missing the point again. When I say 'completely different' I mean 'completely different' - not 'spun to make it unique'. For someone who makes so much money you seem to have a significant understanding difficulty.

                      But why do want to hear what I'm saying anyway? What do I know?
                      Demonstrably little - unless you're deliberately trolling this thread.

                      So just to ensure that there can be no misunderstanding, it goes like this:

                      I search for a suitable article - rewrite it - submit it.
                      Then I serach for another article - rewrite it - submit that one.
                      Then another etc until I have rewritten and submitted 10 articles.

                      Ten DIFFERENT articles searched, scraped, rewritten, re-submitted in the time it takes you to do one. Got that?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                        Correct.
                        Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

                        Correct
                        Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

                        Oh boo-hoo so what? Sounds like you're upset because I am marketing smarter than you.
                        Upset? Not at all. I just think you're a thief. Smarter than me? Absolutely not. Better marketer, Prove it.

                        No mate, I KNOW they're wrong, I do it every day. You want me to spin one of yours and get it accepted?
                        So they're (all the top article marketers in the thread you haven't even bothered to look at) wrong and thats why you hide behind your name. You have no idea what you're talking about and I am not your mate. As for my articles, I wish you a huge amount of luck.

                        A link would be useful.
                        It's in the thread, shows how much you don't read the thread. Have another looky.

                        It's like you are deliberately misconstruing my words to make your own point - a straw man. Nowhere at any point have I said that I spin 10 versions of the same article.
                        Wrong again. Re read what one writes or has one forgot. You have no idea what you are writing.

                        I am not talking about spinning the same arfticle ten times, I'm talking about taking 10 different articles and spinning each one once
                        So why did you say this...

                        So I ask again. What is going to make more money, one decent quality article submitted to ezine or 10 decent quality articles submitted to ezine?
                        How do you put 1 and 10 in the same sentence when you spin one article once?

                        The problem here is not me miscontruing words it's your inability to get your message across clearly with words. No doubt why you do as you do. Clarify which one you're argueing for now. You take my article and spin it once or ten times? You did write both with your own hands? Hmmm.

                        I search for a suitable article - rewrite it - submit it.
                        Then I serach for another article - rewrite it - submit that one.
                        Then another etc until I have rewritten and submitted 10 articles
                        I get it. You steal ten different articles, rewrite or spin? then submit. That makes you the better marketer? Absolute utter nonsense. You steal I don't. That does NOT make you a better marketer. It makes you a very uningenious person piggy backing off the better marketer.

                        I create my own articles by getting someone that knows what they're doing and you come along, steal it and spin it. It has amateur written all over it.
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                        • Profile picture of the author aj113
                          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                          Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.

                          Stealing. But what do I care. Your problem.
                          Heh, I don't have a problem with it - but clearly YOU do.

                          So they're (all the top article marketers in the thread you haven't even bothered to look at) wrong and thats why you hide behind your name.
                          Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. If there's a thread you want me to read why don't you just give me the link instead of spouting off?

                          I wish you a huge amount of luck....
                          Heh, not necessary.

                          [quote]It's in the thread, shows how much you don't read the thread. Have another looky. [/qupte]In what thread? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

                          So why did you say this...
                          Because I am talking about you submitting 1 article and me submitting 10. That is patently obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. I know you absoulutely insist that I am talking about submitting 10 spun versions of the same article, but I am not. I am talking about 10 different articles all spun once. So why do insist otherwise?

                          How do you put 1 and 10 in the same sentence when you spin one article once?
                          10 different articles all spun 1 time. Geddit?

                          I get it. You steal ten different articles, rewrite or spin? then submit.
                          Ahhhh...NOW you get it!
                          That makes you the better marketer? Absolute utter nonsense. You steal I don't. That does NOT make you a better marketer. It makes you a very uningenious person piggy backing off the better marketer.
                          It means I make more money, quickly. I couldn't give a flying **** whether you think it is stealing or whatever. If you don't want people to have access to your articles, don't publish them to public directories. Think you're perfect? Why are you submitting articles in the first place? To fool Google in to thinking that have a bunch of natural backlinks? You and I are playing the same game my friend, the difference is that I am quite happy to admit it.

                          I create my own articles by getting someone that knows what they're doing
                          Right....so you don't create your own articles at all, you pay someone else to do it. So if we're talking about integrity, the fact is that I actually put more work and effort in to my articles than you do.
                          ... and you come along, steal it and spin it. It has amateur written all over it.
                          It has 'make money' written all over it. I don't have time for 'holier than thou' attitudes. I just want to make as much money as fast I can. Hey if you don't want to make money, that's cool, but most people want to make as much money as they as fast as possible. That's what business is all about.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                            I don't have time to waste on you anymore.

                            Here's the link for the third time as you are such a good marketer it's taken me three times to show you and still you can't see what a link is. I'll do it nice and plain to make it easier for you...

                            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

                            Above is a link, third time its been done. Its the blue link thing in my other posts so you know what one is for next time. Click on the blue writing, fairly straightforward.

                            Right....so you don't create your own articles at all, you pay someone else to do it. So if we're talking about integrity, the fact is that I actually put more work and effort in to my articles than you do
                            No, as you admit, you are a thief, I pay someone to do work. Totally different. You steal, I provide employment.

                            Hey if you don't want to make money, that's cool
                            Wrong again, I do make money and lots of it. Lots and lots.

                            It has 'make money' written all over it
                            No it has amateur thief written all over it.

                            Think you're perfect? Why are you submitting articles in the first place? To fool Google in to thinking that have a bunch of natural backlinks?
                            No thats what your doing. Clearly you haven't read my posts and clearly you have no idea of what can be achieved through article marketing. I don't even do it for back links. If you're able, you can look up article syndication. Goes way beyond your amateur tactics.

                            Regarding me calling you a thief you say...

                            Heh, I don't have a problem with it - but clearly YOU do.
                            Thats nice...

                            At least if you get robbed, you'll understand the thief just did it to get rich quicker, just like you. Perhaps you'll learn to admire him, or her.

                            As for the rest of your amateur arguements I just have better things to do.

                            I doubt you even make a dime.
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                            • Profile picture of the author aj113
                              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                              ....At least if you get robbed, you'll understand the thief just did it to get rich quicker, ....
                              You can't rob something that is publicly available. If you don't want your articles to be used, don't submit them to a public article directory.

                              ....
                              I doubt you even make a dime.
                              Makes no difference to me what you doubt. Your opinions don't put bread on my childrens' table.
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                    • Profile picture of the author aj113
                      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                      ..... Even if you have to mess about to make them so different, I'm sitting around whilst someone does all this for me......
                      What a condesecending attitude. I have so many people working for me that I support an entire village in Bangladesh but I don't use that fact to try prove how fantastic I am.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                        Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                        What a condesecending attitude. I have so many people working for me that I support an entire village in Bangladesh but I don't use that fact to try prove how fantastic I am.
                        Seriously. You even bring in rubbish like that and have to double post to get your point across. Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

                        Pretty condescending attitude with that statement to. Incredible.

                        EDIT. You say you don't need to bring in the fact you support an entire Bangladeshi village to prove how fantastic you are - Well you just did didn't you?

                        Heres the link again for all the people you know are wrong. HERE IT IS

                        Also, don't accuse me of trolling. I've been argueing my point as you have. Thats the standard retort of someone that can't argue his/her point properly. I suggest you look up what trolling actually is.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          God knows why I'm letting myself get sucked into this but folks, here's the
                          deal.

                          All depends on what you want to get out of your articles.

                          If your goal is to have somebody come to your MFA site, read what's there
                          and scream, "Bloody hell, please get me the heck out of here" and get them
                          to click on your Adsense or CPA ad, then by all means, spin the crap out of
                          it. The worse the article, the better.

                          However, if your goal is to:

                          1. Establish yourself as an authority on a subject
                          2. Submit to directories that value quality and don't accept spun articles
                          3. Create reports out of your articles that are actually meaningful

                          Or any one of a number of things where the quality of the article is
                          important, then spinning your articles is a total waste of time.

                          Backlinks? I suppose a ton of crap articles can get you plenty of those
                          if you submit to enough garbage directories. Oh, and don't forget to use
                          an article submitter as well. If you want a good service, at least use
                          something like Isnare, though there are some cheap submitters out there
                          that will essentially do the job, submitting to tons of garbage directories.

                          It's anyone's guess as to how long Google will actually continue to give
                          these crap articles any weight in the SERPs, though sadly, as of now,
                          they seem to matter. How do I know? I see them all the time.

                          But you are NEVER going to convince me or any other writer worth his
                          salt that spinning is nothing more than crap.

                          If you think I am kidding, try spinning this forum post into something
                          meaningful.

                          I rest my case.

                          And now you can all carry on with your love affair with article spinners.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                            Steven Wagenheim - But you are NEVER going to convince me or any other writer worth his
                            salt that spinning is nothing more than crap.
                            aj113 On that note I shall leave this most tedious of one sided arguements.

                            I shall not return and won't be looking at your comments again so please don't waste any more of your precious time. People like yourself will never be convinced. You think you are right and therefore, if you say you are, you are. Even if I offered you proof to the contrary.

                            I do not have time to waste on this anymore. Spin away...and away.

                            All the very best.

                            Merry Christmas.
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                          • Profile picture of the author aj113
                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                            ........
                            If you think I am kidding, try spinning this forum post into something
                            meaningful......
                            About 8 minutes using SpinnerChief Super Replace

                            Goodness knows the reason why I am letting myself get drawn in to this however people, here is the
                            deal.

                            All hangs on what you need to get out of your content articles.
                            If your objective is always to have someone arrive at your MFA website, study what is there
                            and shout, "Bloody hell, please get me the bejesus away from here" and get these people
                            to click your Adsense or CPA advert, then go ahead and, rewrite the crap away from
                            it. The worse the content, the better.

                            But, if your objective is always to:
                            1. Determine yourself as an expert on a topic
                            2. Publish to web directories that value high quality and do not accept content spun content articles
                            3. Generate reviews from your content articles which are essentially substantial

                            Or any one of a quantity of points in which the high quality of the content is
                            essential, then content spinning your content articles is a complete waste of your time.

                            Back-links? I guess a huge amount of junk content articles could possibly get you a lot of those
                            if you publish to sufficient garbage web directories. Oh yea, also remember to make use of
                            an article submitter too. If you need a great service, at the very least utilize
                            something such as Isnare, although there are a few inexpensive submitters available
                            that will actually get the job done, publishing to numerous trash web directories.

                            It is just about anyone's guess in respect of just how long Search engines will essentially carry on and give
                            these junk content articles any kind of weight within the Search page results, although unfortunately, as of this moment,
                            they appear to make a difference. Just how do i know? I observe them all the time.

                            However, you are NEVER likely to persuade me or even any other author really worth his
                            salt that content spinning is nothing more than junk.

                            If you believe I'm joking, try content spinning this discussion board post in to anything
                            significant.

                            I rest my case.
                            And now you can all carry on with your love affair with article spinners.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                              8 minutes and you think that is totally different?

                              Thats really good. Looks almost the same. I'm sure no one at EZA would notice, seriously the more I deal with you the more funny this gets.
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                              • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                8 minutes and you think that is totally different?

                                Thats really good. Looks almost the same. I'm sure no one at EZA would notice, seriously the more I deal with you the more funny this gets.
                                No, I think it's spun into "something meaningful" as the poster requested. whether you think it is 'almost the same' is irrelevant, the fact is; it is 46% unique and would be accepted without a murmur at Ezine. (assuming the original post had already been submitted to ezine)

                                If you think that's funny, laugh away, I'm the one taking the cheques to the bank
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                            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                              Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                              About 8 minutes using SpinnerChief Super Replace

                              Goodness knows the reason why I am letting myself get drawn in to this however people, here is the
                              deal.

                              All hangs on what you need to get out of your content articles.
                              If your objective is always to have someone arrive at your MFA website, study what is there
                              and shout, "Bloody hell, please get me the bejesus away from here" and get these people
                              to click your Adsense or CPA advert, then go ahead and, rewrite the crap away from
                              it. The worse the content, the better.

                              But, if your objective is always to:
                              1. Determine yourself as an expert on a topic
                              2. Publish to web directories that value high quality and do not accept content spun content articles
                              3. Generate reviews from your content articles which are essentially substantial

                              Or any one of a quantity of points in which the high quality of the content is
                              essential, then content spinning your content articles is a complete waste of your time.

                              Back-links? I guess a huge amount of junk content articles could possibly get you a lot of those
                              if you publish to sufficient garbage web directories. Oh yea, also remember to make use of
                              an article submitter too. If you need a great service, at the very least utilize
                              something such as Isnare, although there are a few inexpensive submitters available
                              that will actually get the job done, publishing to numerous trash web directories.

                              It is just about anyone's guess in respect of just how long Search engines will essentially carry on and give
                              these junk content articles any kind of weight within the Search page results, although unfortunately, as of this moment,
                              they appear to make a difference. Just how do i know? I observe them all the time.

                              However, you are NEVER likely to persuade me or even any other author really worth his
                              salt that content spinning is nothing more than junk.

                              If you believe I'm joking, try content spinning this discussion board post in to anything
                              significant.

                              I rest my case.
                              And now you can all carry on with your love affair with article spinners.

                              There are so many problems with this, I don't even know where to begin,
                              so I won't bother.

                              Good luck with your business, but you're simply not worth anymore of
                              my time than I've already given you.

                              Over and out.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                So I can create 10 - completely different (and unique) - articles in the time it takes you to create one. No poblem with duplicates because they are not duplicates, they are 10 completely different articles.
                                Your attempt is hardly "Completely different"

                                whether you think it is 'almost the same' is irrelevant
                                No it's not irrelevant because of your previous arguement but yet again, you've moved the goal posts conveniently enough for you.

                                You can't rob something that is publicly available. If you don't want your articles to be used, don't submit them to a public article directory
                                You are publicly available to any robber. You think they have rules on this? No. Just like you don't.

                                If you think that's funny, laugh away, I'm the one taking the cheques to the bank
                                I very much doubt that.

                                Good luck.
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                                • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                  Your attempt is hardly "Completely different"
                                  You still don't get it do you? 10 "completely different" articles as in:

                                  Article 1. The joys of sex
                                  Article 2. The joys of misunderstanding forum posts
                                  Article 3. The joys of building a strawman argument against your opponent
                                  Article 4. etc

                                  These are all "completely different" articles. All I have to do is rewrite them using SpinnerChief and submit them. Have you got it now?

                                  You are publicly available to any robber. You think they have rules on this? No. Just like you don't.
                                  You're bleating about someone copying your articles from Ezine, you think that is the same as having your house robbed?
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                                • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                  ........Tell you what aj113, would you like my bank details too? mothers maiden name? You have admitted you have no qualms with thieving. Thats why you have 2 friends here after 2 years. You can't be trusted.
                                  Actually, I asked for your ezine ID. (not your password, just your id) Are you not able to supply it? Why not? I thought your articles were very high quality? Don't you want everyone to read them and rush headlong to your money sites? Or maybe you just can't stand the thought of me proving you wrong by rewriting them and re-submitting them?

                                  If you don't want to do that, just post some links to your articles here. I will re-write them and re-submit them and prove you wrong. It's a perfect opportunity for you to prove yourself right. So come on, let's go.
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                              • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                There are so many problems with this, I don't even know where to begin,
                                so I won't bother.

                                Good luck with your business, but you're simply not worth anymore of
                                my time than I've already given you.

                                Over and out.
                                Oh come on Steven, don't be a wet blanket - point out the multiple problems to us, pleeeease? You know you want to.

                                Is it the grammar? I mean. I only spun the synonyms, so the grammar is essentially your own. Spelling maybe? Artistic style? (Again your own). Come on...exactly what is wrong with it?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                  Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                  Oh come on Steven, don't be a wet blanket - point out the multiple problems to us, pleeeease? You know you want to.

                                  Is it the grammar? I mean. I only spun the synonyms, so the grammar is essentially your own. Spelling maybe? Artistic style? (Again your own). Come on...exactly what is wrong with it?
                                  It looks the same. Perhaps you should look at your grammar.

                                  He won't be back because you are wasting peoples time getting your affiliate link shown a bunch of times. What you fail to comprehend is by admitting thieving is fine by you, what mug would buy via your affiliate link?

                                  You're bleating about someone copying your articles from Ezine, you think that is the same as having your house robbed?
                                  Wrong yet, yet, again. You said...

                                  You can't rob something that is publicly available. If you don't want your articles to be used, don't submit them to a public article directory
                                  You are publicly available. You are the same thing. You rob my business, whats the difference. A thief is a thief. You are of the same mind.

                                  And no I haven't got it now, the problem is you haven't got it now. One minute you say you make indistinguishable articles then the next time it doesn't matter. You like thieving I don't. Lets leave it at that.

                                  This is so boring. You twist and change all the time.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                    Oh and by the way, in your meta description of your site in your signature, you've spelt the one keyword you're trying to target wrong.

                                    You have...
                                    <meta name="KEYWORDS" content="uniqe content">
                                    I believe "uniqe" is actually spelt "unique".

                                    Great marketing there my friend.

                                    Actually, I asked for your ezine ID. (not your password, just your id) Are you not able to supply it? Why not? I thought your articles were very high quality? Don't you want everyone to read them and rush headlong to your money sites? Or maybe you just can't stand the thought of me proving you wrong by rewriting them and re-submitting them?

                                    If you don't want to do that, just post some links to your articles here. I will re-write them and re-submit them and prove you wrong. It's a perfect opportunity for you to prove yourself right. So come on, let's go.
                                    No. You are a thief and I don't want you anywhere near my business. I tell you what. I'll give you access to my stuff as you asked for and you send me your address and houeskeys - Deal? I can find plenty of thiefs where I live.

                                    You really don't get it do you. I do not trust you one iota and neither will anyone else reading your posts.

                                    Even better why not go rob someones random article and show the whole forum how you do it.

                                    Then you can show people exactly why you can't be trusted or listened to.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                      Oh and by the way, in your meta description of your site in your signature, you've spelt the one keyword you're trying to target wrong.

                                      You have...
                                      I believe "uniqe" is actually spelt "unique".

                                      Great marketing there my friend.
                                      And your point is what exactly? Off topic puerile sniping?

                                      No. You are a thief blah blah ....yawn.
                                      I just want the good people of this forum to see that you are right. Give me a link to an article of yours and I will rewrite it and have it accepted by Ezine. Surely you can do that much/little? I mean, you are so eaten up with the desire to be right, how can you resist? You have stated that ezine does not accept spun articles, and you have cited all of your good author-friends in support of this, now is your golden chance to prove yourself undeniably right. Let's do it - why not?

                                      NB "blah's" and "yawn" technically mine.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                        Sorry, forgot to add this:

                                        @Richard Van
                                        There are hundreds - probabaly thousands - of forum members here who do exactly the same as me. They scrape an article, rewrite it and then submit it. Hence the popularity of TBS and SpinnerChief. Just wondered if you would confirm please that you regard them all as thieves and robbers too?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                          Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                          Sorry, forgot to add this:

                                          @Richard Van
                                          There are hundreds - probabaly thousands - of forum members here who do exactly the same as me. They scrape an article, rewrite it and then submit it. Hence the popularity of TBS and SpinnerChief. Just wondered if you would confirm please that you regard them all as thieves and robbers too?
                                          Lets get to see you prove me wrong first. Go and get an article and show me. You admitted you have no problem with it, that you don't "take the moral high ground" my arguement is with you, as you so blazenly admitted it.

                                          Remember what you said?....

                                          I said first "Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing".

                                          I stand by that, no problem.

                                          You replied..

                                          Oh boo-hoo so what? Sounds like you're upset because I am marketing smarter than you.
                                          Don't try and tar all the others like you with the same brush.

                                          Go and show me how clever you are. Find an article, prove me wrong. You challenged me, go and get someone else's article from EZA and prove me wrong.

                                          Just one more time, the site in your signature, the speling of the keyword in the metadata is wrong.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                            ....Just one more time, the site in your signature, the speling of the keyword in the metadata is wrong.
                                            So what? You think that is going to somehow magically make you right?

                                            Tell you what, your spelling of the word 'spelling' in the quote above is incorrect. Do you think everyone is going to stop buying from you and regard you as a second class citizen because of it? Hardly likely, so lets quit with the sniping and stay on topic.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                              Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                              So what? You think that is going to somehow magically make you right?

                                              Tell you what, your spelling of the word 'spelling' in the quote above is incorrect. Do you think everyone is going to stop buying from you and regard you as a second class citizen because of it? Hardly likely, so lets quit with the sniping and stay on topic.
                                              Ok I will, It just shows you don't keep tabs on things. It's actually quite important.

                                              Now, lets get right back on topic...

                                              I'll now go ahead and contact Lennie Fry the unfortunate chap whose article you spun.

                                              I'll then inform EZA that you, Adrian Jenkinson, spun his article and re submitted it.

                                              Assuming of course Adrian Jenkinson is really you.

                                              Then we'll see if if EZA approve of this. Because as you said, all the folks in the thread I sent you too are wrong. Let's find out.

                                              If they do, hats off to you.

                                              aaj113 - May need to read Justins comments too, one thinks.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                                ....Then we'll see if if EZA approve of this. Because as you said, all the folks in thread I sent you too are wrong. Let's find out.

                                                If they do, hats off to you.
                                                You're missing the point. Regardless of whether ezine 'approves' officially, they have clearly accepted my rewrite and published it. So whether they 'approve' or not is irrelevant. The article is there and it is doing what it is supposed to do. Ezine has 'approved' it regardless of their official stance.

                                                And by the way, your sidestep does not fool me, I have done what you challenged me to do, and now by your own words, you are NOW supposed to admit you were WRONG.

                                                Find an article, prove me wrong. You challenged me, go and get someone else's article from EZA and prove me wrong.
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                                  Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                                  You're missing the point. Regardless of whether ezine 'approves' officially, they have clearly accepted my rewrite and published it. So whether they 'approve' or not is irrelevant. The article is there and it is doing what it is supposed to do. Ezine has 'approved' it regardless of their official stance.

                                                  And by the way, your sidestep does not fool me, I have done what you challenged me to do, and now by your own words, you are NOW supposed to admit you were WRONG.
                                                  Oh no Adrian, it's very relevant, this is just the start. You said everyone was wrong. All those respected people...wrong.

                                                  Anyone can pull the wool over peoples eyes, it's a case of if one can maintain it. One needs to keep quiet to maintain it. Let me repeat your own words for you again...

                                                  No mate, I KNOW they're wrong, I do it every day. You want me to spin one of yours and get it accepted?
                                                  I've sent a message to EZA, copying in your entire post. Lets see how long it stays there first, whether or not all the respected people you said are in fact wrong and if you have an account by next week.

                                                  My recommendation is to keep your business practises to yourself in future rather than telling an entire forum.

                                                  Thieving is bad and lets just hope Lennie Fry isn't a Warrior.

                                                  Night night.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                                    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                                    Oh no Adrian, it's very relevant, this is just the start. You said everyone was wrong. All those respected people...wrong.
                                                    Yep, wrong to say that ezine do not accept spun articles. They clearly do. I have proved it.

                                                    My recommendation is to keep your business practises to yourself in future rather than telling an entire forum. ....
                                                    Heh, I've been making a living online for many years, when I need a recommendation I'll ask for it - but no hard feelings, I don't mind giving you a few tips if you're struggling.

                                                    So go ahead - do your worst - but please keep to your word and admit you were wrong first - here on this thread, like you said you would. We wouldn't want two distrusted people on the same thread would we?
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                                                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                                      Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                                      Yep, wrong to say that ezine do not accept spun articles. They clearly do. I have proved it.

                                                      Heh, I've been making a living online for many years, when I need a recommendation I'll ask for it - but no hard feelings, I don't mind giving you a few tips if you're struggling.

                                                      So go ahead - do your worst - but please keep to your word and admit you were wrong first - here on this thread, like you said you would. We wouldn't want two distrusted people on the same thread would we?
                                                      Well,

                                                      I sent you a PM as I had it on hold but you clearly know more than everyone else here. It's been sent now. Your last two posts proved to me it had to go. I've found the guy you spun the article from and have sent him a message to.

                                                      I'm not wrong, you are. The problem is, even if the cold hard truth stares down at you, you'd never admit it. As for your advice, no, I think not.

                                                      It amazes me how Steven offers you advice and you vomit it back at him as though he knows nothing. Time will tell for you Adrian.

                                                      You can remain the tea leaf, I'll walk away with my head held high. Good night Adrian, it's been enormous fun talking to you. I'll always remember you.

                                                      Steven, I've already reported him for spinning Lenny Frys article here and spinning it under his own name here. Incredibly he seems to think that wins him the arguement today.

                                                      I even PM'd him to change his mind but he's adamant he's totally right. So it's been sent.

                                                      Still Adrian, I'm sure you're right. You know best where it comes to article marketing and spinning. You are a guru!
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                                  Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                                  You're missing the point. Regardless of whether ezine 'approves' officially, they have clearly accepted my rewrite and published it. So whether they 'approve' or not is irrelevant. The article is there and it is doing what it is supposed to do. Ezine has 'approved' it regardless of their official stance.

                                                  And by the way, your sidestep does not fool me, I have done what you challenged me to do, and now by your own words, you are NOW supposed to admit you were WRONG.
                                                  AJ, if you want to be technical about this, you're right. There are,
                                                  unfortunately, EZA editors who don't do their due diligence and check
                                                  each article for spinning, which is very easy to do with several online
                                                  tools. They are, in a word, lazy and have no business being editors.

                                                  Unfortunately, because of the way their system works, these people are
                                                  paid on volume and to crank out that volume, many take shortcuts, though
                                                  some don't.

                                                  And that is, unarguably, the risk that every author takes by submitting
                                                  spun articles to EZA should an editor go through proper procedure.

                                                  At best, you'll get the article rejected.

                                                  At worst, you'll get your account yanked, which means any articles
                                                  submitted prior to the article that is caught gets deleted from their
                                                  database and essentially disappears from the Internet...along with all
                                                  the link juice you got from them.

                                                  This is not opinion. It is fact. You are essentially playing Russian Roulette
                                                  playing this game.

                                                  I am sure you're intelligent enough to understand that these are the risks
                                                  you're taking and accept those risks going in.

                                                  As to the stealing part, technically, it is. You cannot take somebody
                                                  else's content without their permission. And if somebody wanted to make
                                                  a court case out of it, they could.

                                                  Problem is, the expense of doing so would, for most people, far outweigh
                                                  the benefits. So most people just drop it. But make no mistake about it...
                                                  there will be people who will see your article on EZA, recognize it as
                                                  their own, submit to EZA the original link (showing proof of first publishing)
                                                  and ultimately, this may get your account yanked.

                                                  It's a risky game. With over 3,000 of my own original articles online, it is
                                                  one that would be foolish for me to play as it could kill my business over
                                                  night. I get a lot of traffic from EZA and can't afford to lose it by playing
                                                  this risky game.

                                                  Again, this is not opinion...it is fact. I can send you a laundry list a mile
                                                  long of people who had their EZA accounts yanked because of spun
                                                  articles.

                                                  That's about all I have to say on the subject...and it's more than I should
                                                  have said. But people at least need to know the risk they're taking by
                                                  submitting spun articles to EZA.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                                    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                                    .....
                                                    .....And that is, unarguably, the risk that every author takes by submitting
                                                    spun articles to EZA should an editor go through proper procedure.

                                                    At best, you'll get the article rejected.

                                                    At worst, you'll get your account yanked, .....
                                                    And you know this exactly how Steven? You have tried it yourself? You work for ezine? Or are you repeating what others have said? I think your concern is genuine, but really there is no risk. Just open up a bunch of accounts and spread the load. Job done.
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                                                    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                                      Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                                      And you know this exactly how Steven? You have tried it yourself? You work for ezine? Or are you repeating what others have said? I think your concern is genuine, but really there is no risk. Just open up a bunch of accounts and spread the load. Job done.
                                                      That will reduce the risk, no question. Now you're facing two problems,
                                                      getting your articles rejected and being discovered having multiple accounts.

                                                      In both cases, you will lose some content. How much you gain and stay
                                                      ahead of the game depends on how lucky you are.

                                                      And no, this isn't my opinion and I don't work for EZA, though I have had
                                                      several conversations with Chris.

                                                      As I said, I could give you a laundry list of people who have suffered at
                                                      the hands of EZA because of trying to violate their TOS.

                                                      It happens. In fact, it happens often.

                                                      Ultimately, each person has to decide if the risk is worth it. I only want to
                                                      make this clear to those who are on the fence about this practice.

                                                      You, obviously, have already made up your mind and if the time were to
                                                      come when you finally lost all, or a good chunk of what you submitted to
                                                      EZA, you already accept that as the cost of doing this kind of business.

                                                      If I can get even just one person reading this thread to strongly
                                                      reconsider following your path, I've done my job.

                                                      And if not, well, I will shed no tears for anybody who loses months or
                                                      possibly years of submitted material.

                                                      And if you think I'm kidding, take a look at some of the names at EZA that
                                                      are no longer there...people who had thousands of articles submitted.

                                                      Ultimately, I don't really care what you do with your business. But if I
                                                      ever catch you scraping one of my articles (and I will check) make no
                                                      mistake about it...I will report you to EZA.

                                                      And if you think Chris will take your side over mine, you better think again.

                                                      In other words, just stay out of my neighborhood.
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                                                      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                                        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

                                                        It's funny there is a lot of anti-spinning sentiment on WF, but auto-blogging is adored on here. Yet the major argument against spinning is that it fills the web with unoriginal content.
                                                        Well, one of the major arguments, Martin.

                                                        There's also the point that auto-blogging, done correctly and ethically, isn't dishonest in its presentation and attribution of material. Actually a key distinction, I think? Spinning someone else's article is a way of purporting to acquire authorship. Auto-blogging (correctly done) isn't.

                                                        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

                                                        In all the debates I've seen on Warrior Forum it has never been mentioned that person X earns more than person Y and therefore person X's opinion is worth more.
                                                        Well ...

                                                        I (and others!) quite often mention, in discussions here, answering some point, that some specified question is classic of the type that has a bimodal split of opinions, in the sense that asking "people who do article marketing" will produce in response a radically different consensus of opinion from the one found by asking "people who make a good living from article marketing". I say this regularly (because it's true regularly). This is, in a sense, doing exactly what you allege has never been mentioned!

                                                        You see the point I'm making, I'm sure? I'm not trying to claim that my opinion's worth any more "because I earn more". At the same time, though, I am saying that most people earn little in this game, and when the few people who genuinely are successful tend to be in agreement on an issue, their opinion ought to carry more weight than it does "numerically". It's comparable, in a way, to the point I sometime make about affiliates, in mentioning that 10% of the affiliates make 90% of the sales while the voices heard in forum conversations tend (obviously, because there are far more of them) to be those of the other 90%.

                                                        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

                                                        I don't want to be made to feel as if I can't give my opinion just because I'm not the guru yet.
                                                        I'm sure nobody's suggesting that at all. (Besides which, I normally find myself in agreement with your opinions, anyway!).

                                                        Originally Posted by tee_emm View Post

                                                        Why are some people so against Spinning if at the end of the day it helps generate site traffic?
                                                        I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

                                                        Anything, if you do enough of it, will generate some site traffic (even if not necessarily much additional income).

                                                        A more interesting question (to me) is whether it generates enough income, compared with other potential uses of the time it takes, to be worthwhile.

                                                        Spinning undeniably fits some styles of article marketing much better than it fits others.

                                                        My own opinion is that the main style it fits is (to put it politely) a "second-best style". And I say that having experienced both.

                                                        I have never said that spinning has no possible benefits.

                                                        What I've said is that it has no worthwhile benefits for me.

                                                        I've also said that spinning other people's articles is theft, and I don't see that anyone can really question this statement.

                                                        And I've also said that what normally happens here, in discussions of spinning (though not necessarily in this thread, I do acknowledge - and I admit that I've read it all only quickly), is that the spinners usually say they're doing it "for backlinks". And that's absolutely loopy, because a backlink on a spun article is identical to a backlink on a syndicated article. People have different ways of discussing this specific point and struggling to defend their illogical positions over it, but it remains simply factual that a backlink on an article in Google's supplemental index gives your site an identical benefit to the same backlink on a spun article. I know there are people who deny that, but I can't help that: people believe all sorts of nonsense - and as we see in thread after thread after thread, many people simply believe in a "duplicate content penalty" that doesn't exist. And yes, that issue is actually very closely related to the one we're discussing.

                                                        In summary, to me, there's a practical issue here and an ethical one. The practical one is that spinning is of no benefit to me, and the ethical (and maybe even legal?) one is that spinning other people's articles is stealing them. This last point is simply black and white.
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                                                      • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                                        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                                        ....... How much you gain and stay
                                                        ahead of the game depends on how lucky you are........
                                                        Well, no it depends on how good you are at what you are doing. Luck doesn't come in to it.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                                Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                                ....aaj113 - May need to read Justins comments too, one thinks.
                                                I just wanted to hear it from you. You think they are thieves too, right?
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                                  Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                                  I just wanted to hear it from you. You think they are thieves too, right?
                                                  Once again you fail to read the thread. I said earlier...twice now...

                                                  I said first "Firstly in my opinion and many article writers that are worth listening to, thats like stealing".

                                                  I stand by that, no problem.
                                                  And what now?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
                                          Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                                          Sorry, forgot to add this:

                                          @Richard Van
                                          There are hundreds - probabaly thousands - of forum members here who do exactly the same as me. They scrape an article, rewrite it and then submit it. Hence the popularity of TBS and SpinnerChief. Just wondered if you would confirm please that you regard them all as thieves and robbers too?
                                          They are thieves. That's not a moral high horse, that's just a fact.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                    Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                    It looks the same. Perhaps you should look at your grammar.
                                    The grammar is not mine., it is the original poster's grammar. Maybe you should contact him about that.

                                    He won't be back because you are wasting peoples time getting your affiliate link shown a bunch of times.
                                    Affiliate link? What are you on about now?
                                    ......One minute you say you make indistinguishable articles then the next time it doesn't matter.
                                    What? You are the master at that! I have consistently said exactly the same thing throughout this thread. I can take 10 different articles, rewrite each one using SpinnerChief and submit to ezine in the time it takes for you to do one. Show me where I have said anything different to that.

                                    By the way, my house and contents are not publicly available as they are under lock and key. Conversely your ezine articles are submitted to a site that specifically makes the content available to the public.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                                      Yawn yawn yawn. More boring goal post moving arguements.

                                      So now your saying that when you spin the articles they actually look the same as the original? That was my point at the beginning. So you spin something, it looks the same but EZA don't notice that?

                                      Why don't you show me an example of an article you thieved and your spun version. That way I'll accept you're right.

                                      Better still as you want to challenge me when I have nothing to prove, go and get an article now, spin it live here and prove me wrong.

                                      Simple really, then I shut up and you win this petty row thats gone on way too long. You don't need one of my articles, you have an entire directory. Just go ahead and show us all.

                                      Make sure you change the meta description in your signature link though. Thats internet marketing 101, real basic stuff. Thought you'd have known that.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author aj113
                                        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                                        ....So now your saying that when you spin the articles they actually look the same as the original? That was my point at the beginning. So you spin something, it looks the same but EZA don't notice that?
                                        Your inablity to comprehend the written word is frankly astounding. I have said nothing of the sort, and furthermore I am now at a loss to word it differently so that you will somehow understand.

                                        OK let's go back to the beginning:

                                        1. I find an article on the net.
                                        2. I rewrite it using SpinnerChief
                                        3. I submit it to ezine.

                                        That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Hoever, if I do the above procedure 9 more times, then I will have submitted 10 articles to ezine. Each article will be completely different fto each other, and each article will be unique as far as ezine is concerned. Sorry, I just can't think of a way of explaining it simpler than that - although I'm sure you must be the only person reading this thread who has not yet grasped what I am saying.

                                        Why don't you show me an example of an article you thieved and your spun version. That way I'll accept you're right.
                                        Oh, ok then..

                                        original: A Short History of the ThinkPad Laptop

                                        mine: A Brief Overview of the ThinkPad Laptop

                                        Now, please read, and ackowledge that you - and ALL of your author pals are WRONG, and I am RIGHT.

                                        Better still as you want to challenge me when I have nothing to prove, go and get an article now, spin it live here and prove me wrong.
                                        Not sure what you mean. How can I spin it 'live' in a non-live environment?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                            Or any one of a number of things where the quality of the article is
                            important, then spinning your articles is a total waste of time.

                            Well, no.

                            I did an experiment a while back to see if I could make money providing articles that had a spin syntax*, and it's perfectly possible to write content that can be spun and still reads well. It's not especially hard to do this, but it was incredibly time consuming.

                            If course, that's a far cry from just plugging an article into a program and hoping what comes out sounds even approximately human, but spinning CAN have value for people concerned with quality, too.

                            *I couldn't. It took me about the same amount of time to write one of those articles as it did to write three normal articles, but I couldn't charge three times as much. It wasn't worthwhile for me.
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                        • Profile picture of the author aj113
                          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                          Seriously. You even bring in rubbish like that and have to double post to get your point across. Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

                          Pretty condescending attitude with that statement to. Incredible.

                          EDIT. You say you don't need to bring in the fact you support an entire Bangladeshi village to prove how fantastic you are - Well you just did didn't you?

                          Heres the link again for all the people you know are wrong. HERE IT IS

                          Also, don't accuse me of trolling. I've been argueing my point as you have. Thats the standard retort of someone that can't argue his/her point properly. I suggest you look up what trolling actually is.
                          Ok I've read the thread. A bunch of people saying that ezine does not accept spun content. So here's my challenge: post your ezine author id and I'll rewrite 10 of your articles using SpinnerChief and get them all accepted. Now is the time to put up or shut up.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                            Originally Posted by aj113 View Post

                            Ok I've read the thread. A bunch of people saying that ezine does not accept spun content. So here's my challenge: post your ezine author id and I'll rewrite 10 of your articles using SpinnerChief and get them all accepted. Now is the time to put up or shut up.
                            You respect no one here but yourself. You really are a splendid addition to this forum. I'm glad I know you now.

                            post your ezine author id and I'll rewrite 10 of your articles using SpinnerChief and get them all accepted
                            Tell you what aj113, would you like my bank details too? mothers maiden name? You have admitted you have no qualms with thieving. Thats why you have 2 friends here after 2 years. You can't be trusted.

                            No, it's time for this nonsense to end. Why in hells name would I give you even one of my articles let alone my EZA id of which I have several anyway? They make me good money, not you. Steal them, I'm sure it works wonders, for now.

                            The End.
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        • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Well it looks like I'll have to respectfully bow out of this one. Spinning clearly works for you guys otherwise you wouldn't be argueing so strongly for it. I will happily accept that.
          Firstly - I was never arguing for it - I was stating the reasons why i have to do it, even though i don't think there is a valid reason that anyone should have to but you appear to have spent so much time trying to score points that you choose to ignore that fact.

          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          My only point left to make is for profitsforall. In your earlier post you said the following...

          I'd like to draw your attention to the word indistinguishable. I feel it's quite important because when Paleochora spun his comment, even with the 2 sitting in the same post you replied with this...
          Great. Take my comment and use it out of context with something posted later on. To clarify for you yet again, when i used the word indistinguishable I meant that if you showed someone an article that was written without spinning, and showed them another article that i had spun - not from the same source material they would not be able to tell which one had been spun.

          You did have a valid point on the Paleochora post though - I hold my hands up to that one - i skimmed the thread a bit and didn't read the author of the quoted section. So we proved that two spun versions of something when looked at side by side will never fool anyone - but given that the spun versions are generally posted to separate sites that will rarely happen.


          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          With that I will gracefully accept your arguements, wish you all the very best for the future and a very Merry Christmas.
          And i wish you the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author tee_emm
    Why are some people so against Spinning if at the end of the day it helps generate site traffic?
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  • Profile picture of the author ann1986
    We use TBS and it works like charm.
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  • Profile picture of the author clayhilda55
    I think it is better that you rewrite your articles on your own words. If you have a little budget, hire an article rewriter.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Oh dear - what a kerfuffle, LOL.

    I'm staying out of this, except to give notice of my staying out of it. Probably for the best, too, since I'm half smashed. Well, it is (or was) Saturday.

    Only thing a-spinnin' here are the walls around me.

    Night all.
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