Video Sitmap, Is google still index it?? if yes why this not??

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hey, I'm a blogger & few weeks ago, I started using video to get ranking well, first time it works perfect and everyone happy, but after few posts in my blog with video in each post, I didn't find the videos in google at all!
I'm using video in every post I make and I index them using this tool GVS Embed Plugin for WordPress then when I've found this tool maybe stop working, I'm trying now a new tool called video sitemap and here is google what says:
Sitemap Status: URLs submitted: 14//RLs in web index:13
the good news, is this tool linked to youtube video which makes work easy for me to upload video in one way.
the bad news is still I don't find my videos ranking on google!
what's the problem? and how can I fix it?
#google #index #sitmap #video
  • Profile picture of the author quickcashstrategy
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    no one use video sitemap?
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    • Profile picture of the author NewbieWarrior
      I have the same experience with Mark Dulisse's GVS Embed Plugin for WordPress. I used it on a test video around mid December 2010. It worked well, the video appeared on the top of page 3 of the main Google search. Yipee! Then it disappeared. It no longer appears in the universal search. A second test video created a few days ago is now being ignored by Google. After four days it has not appeared in Google video, let alone the universal search, and even even after my webmaster tools has acknowledged I have submitted it to them error free.

      I have the impression Google may be sandboxing the videos being sitemapped with the GVS Embed Plugin for WordPress.

      I could be wrong, just a feeling.

      Nelson Lee, Google Product Manager on Video Search stated in a September 2010 webinar that this is what they do to videos they suspect of being spam oriented. With so many internet marketers using the GVS Embed Plugin for WordPress, it could be possible that Google is picking up on the possible shenanigans of a few and putting up a red flag on Mark's plugin, which has his branding on the video sitemaps generated.

      I hope I've got it wrong. If anyone posts on this thread to correct me, I'll stand corrected. But the fact you've got no replies to your original post is not a good sign.

      I'm now working out how to create a video sitemap by hand. It should be a fairly simple process once I learn how.

      (It could possibly involve copying the code given by Google in Webmaster tools, inserting the data, saving the notepad file as an dot XML and FTP-ing to your server! Simple.)

      Max

      UPDATE
      I realized I didn't install the latest GVS update before proceeding with my second test video. I'll need to run more tests before I know why my second video isn't ranking.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Google does not index videos, they index the pages they are on.
        Youtube "indexes" videos, but not really. You just upload them.

        It may take a week or so for them to appear in search results.
        Call that waiting to be indexed if you will, but not really.

        Video results are gotten off of youtube.

        Remember, the video sitemap is where you want to describe it so
        THE PAGE the video is embedded on is found. The page is what will be
        indexed by google, but only if they want to.

        Youtube, you just submit it. It's there. But as I said before, it can take
        a week to appear in any results. Unless you are a partner, or have
        a super-duper channel with tons of subscribers.

        To get your specific video in search results, upload it to youtube.
        Be sure and use facebook/yahoo compatible elements.

        To get your webpage indexed with the embedded video is just doing
        normal things to get google to index a webpage. The video sitemap
        helps in relevancy.

        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author NewbieWarrior
          Thanks, Paul.

          Also, my videos are on S3. I'm not sitemapping my embedded Youtube videos as I would think, being Google's property, they'd know.

          Google said it takes hours to a couple of days to index videos (remarks by Nelson Lee of Google on a webinar in September 2010).

          I didn't update with Mark's latest GVS plugin, so that could be a possible reason. Will need to re-test.

          UPDATE
          May have found the reason why my second video isn't being indexed. The Dulisse GVS plugin's generated video sitemap (videositemap.xml) page had rubbish in the <video:content_loc> field for my second video. By viewing the page source of this page, I was able to study the code and discover that the data in this field was obviously wrong. Also, there were only half the fields entered for the video sitemap that I thought would be helpful to satisfy Google.

          Beware if you are using this plugin. I would recommend you hand code the video sitemap yourself. It is really easy. If you know HTML, XML will be as easy, if not easier. For a function so critical as informing Google of your pages and videos for purpose of indexing them, you can't afford to leave this to others.

          Max
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  • Profile picture of the author navyseal
    In this case I shouldn't buy GVS plugin anymore since I already heard a negative feedback.

    Anyway, That tool is really impressive. But thanks for sharing guys.

    How about try to locate your youtube rss then, submit your youtube rss by pinging like ping it to pingomatic.com and pingoat.com

    That's another way of promoting your video.

    There is a video tutorial in youtube on how to locate your youtube rss url.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewbieWarrior
      NavySeal - thanks for the info on Youtube RSS feed - something new I didn't know about.

      Just got my second video indexed by Google! I created my own videositemap.xml (create in notepad, FTP to public_html, rename file with .xml extension). Quite easy, really. (But took me a few nights to research.) Replaced the video sitemap created by the Dulisse GVS plugin with my own. Submitted to Webmaster.

      An hour later when I did a "site:" search Google video, my second video appeared. Yayyyy!

      Max
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      • Profile picture of the author navyseal
        Brilliant! Thank you too for the detail info...



        Originally Posted by NewbieWarrior View Post

        NavySeal - thanks for the info on Youtube RSS feed - something new I didn't know about.

        Just got my second video indexed by Google! I created my own videositemap.xml (create in notepad, FTP to public_html, rename file with .xml extension). Quite easy, really. (But took me a few nights to research.) Replaced the video sitemap created by the Dulisse GVS plugin with my own. Submitted to Webmaster.

        An hour later when I did a "site:" search Google video, my second video appeared. Yayyyy!

        Max
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
        Originally Posted by NewbieWarrior View Post

        NavySeal - thanks for the info on Youtube RSS feed - something new I didn't know about.

        Just got my second video indexed by Google! I created my own videositemap.xml (create in notepad, FTP to public_html, rename file with .xml extension). Quite easy, really. (But took me a few nights to research.) Replaced the video sitemap created by the Dulisse GVS plugin with my own. Submitted to Webmaster.

        An hour later when I did a "site:" search Google video, my second video appeared. Yayyyy!

        Max
        This is good info, I have heard of others with this plugin having that issue.
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        • Profile picture of the author NewbieWarrior
          Furthermore, the video sitemap created by the Dulisse GVS plugin :-

          • didn't ask me for the "category" of the video. It just went ahead and used the first word of my domain name (before the hyphen) which the video had nothing to do with;
          • didn't ask me for any tags for the video, of which you are allowed to put in multiple in the video sitemap;
          • didn't give me the option to include a "rating" for the video, 0 to 5.0, which you can include if you do it by hand,
          plus a few other minor points.

          One not so minor point is that the Dominating Video course says the thumbnail for the video should be 120x90 minimum. This is wrong. It should be 160x120 minimum according to Google's latest information.

          I learned all this when I created the videositemap.xml by hand. Had I relied solely on the Dulisse GVS plugin, I would have been more in the fog, as the originator of this thread may have been.

          Having said that, having creating the videositemap.xml myself and submitting to Webmaster, the result wasn't good! My second test video (which had the same keywords as the first video) got put in the omitted search results by Google (discovered by doing a site: search on Google video.) Not good!

          (The second video was briefly indexed, but the my thumbnail got changed by Google. I had used a 120x90 pixel thumbnail, as Dulisse said, but realized it should be 160x120 pixels, and so I redid the thumbnail image and resubmitted the video sitemap in Webmaster, hoping Google would use my thumbnail, not theirs. It was after I did this that the second video fell into the abyss.)

          The second test video (6.5 min) is a much better version of my first test video (0.5 min), which funnily enough is ranking #1 for three and four word keyword phrases in the universal search. So Google is applying some kind of algorithm whose results don't necessarily end up making sense.

          I'll keep on testing. I prefer to have fun testing just for the sake of learning than doing it for real as I'm less relaxed and my thinking constricts when money is involved.

          Perhaps I shouldn't submit the videositemap to Webmaster but let Google find me naturally? I don't like the way Google treated my second video after I did everything to comply and dot the i's and cross the t's. There is some talk on the yoast site that submitting an ordinary (not video) xml sitemap to Google can work against you. I know from two expert internet marketers' experience that having Google Analytics on your site can act against you.

          Another thing I can test is whether to have a separate video sitemap for each video eg create videositemap2.xml for my second video rather than resubmitting an updated version of videositemap.xml containing two videos.

          Again, its easy to create your own videositemap.xml. Simply use Google's sample code given in their page on how to create a videositemap. Enter the details of the video in the fields. Save as a notepad document. FTP to the public_html folder of your site. Using Filezilla, rename the document as "videositemap.xml" and your done!

          If you get it wrong, no worries. Google even has a page which shows the mistakes you can make and the suggested corrections.

          Its worth the small effort to get this right as my crappy half minute first test video is at the top of the universal search results for a few keyword phrases (alas, non money). The video occassionally disappears and reappears, though. The video is hosted on S3 and plays on a test website.

          The words my first test video ranks for is based not only on the title of the video but the written content on the page.

          Hope this helps. There is a lot of video tutorials on Google video on how to create a video sitemap. No one video has all the information, you need to view a few videos to put it all together. With a modicum of programming proficiency and a few nights work, you can do it. And have fun doing tests to see your video thumbnail show up on at the top of page one of Google's universal search.

          Max
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          • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
            Thanks for the good post.
            You can ping your sitemap to Google using this;
            hxxp://www.google.c0m/webmasters/tools/ping?sitemap=http://YOURWEBSITE.com/videositemap.xml
            without having to actually submit it.

            Thanks for the tip on video size, I was wondering why Google replaced my image...

            I have 2 sites with videos showing up if I use the site: command in google video but
            they are nowhere to be seen in the standard serps.

            I am #2 in Google for my keyword and would have expected the video thumb to be show next to it but it's not.

            Need to look into this a bit more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Dulisse
    Hi everyone,

    EVP uses Javacode.

    As you know, Google has a problem seeing javacode, as opposed to object code.

    That is why you may see your videos using GVS and EVP being indexed, and then disappearing. It is not a GVS issue. It is a Google trying to find your video through javascript issue. GVS supports EVP, but in the serps it will be inconsistent, compared to using object code.

    All of your answers are incorrect.

    Thanks,
    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author toptones
    I wish I had read this post before purchasing Mark's Video Sitemap product. My main intent was to use it with EVP. Sadly, after 2 weeks of back-and-forth with Mark's helpdesk I am no further ahead. I can't even get the thumbnail to show, despite following his directions as carefully as possible.

    With a 'no refund' policy (I requested one anyway to no avail) I would advise my Warrior pals to exercise caution. Mark's own statement above, "GVS supports EVP, but in the serps it will be inconsistent, compared to using object code", is an eye-opener and had I know that I would not have purchased. I do have a problem with marketers using a 'no refund' policy with less than complete disclosure about a product's capability. If it was said on his site, my apologies, cause I didn't catch it.

    Nothing against Mark, I'm sure he's a good guy, just unhappy with this particular product and purchase. Hmmmm, maybe I can still find a use for it? Electronic ashtray...dunno.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to PM me with suggestions on how to get the thumbnail showing that would be cool. I've given up on Mark's helpdesk.
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    • Profile picture of the author mezloh
      Originally Posted by toptones View Post

      I wish I had read this post before purchasing Mark's Video Sitemap product. My main intent was to use it with EVP. Sadly, after 2 weeks of back-and-forth with Mark's helpdesk I am no further ahead. I can't even get the thumbnail to show, despite following his directions as carefully as possible.

      With a 'no refund' policy (I requested one anyway to no avail) I would advise my Warrior pals to exercise caution. Mark's own statement above, "GVS supports EVP, but in the serps it will be inconsistent, compared to using object code", is an eye-opener and had I know that I would not have purchased. I do have a problem with marketers using a 'no refund' policy with less than complete disclosure about a product's capability. If it was said on his site, my apologies, cause I didn't catch it.

      Nothing against Mark, I'm sure he's a good guy, just unhappy with this particular product and purchase. Hmmmm, maybe I can still find a use for it? Electronic ashtray...dunno.

      Anyway, if anyone wants to PM me with suggestions on how to get the thumbnail showing that would be cool. I've given up on Mark's helpdesk.
      If you think your customer service experience was bad you should see how he treats the affiliates that promote his products and make him money.

      First off, it is hard to get a response out of him until after the 2nd or 3rd contact.

      And once you finally track him down and ask him why he doesn't pay on time and you do get a response he says he doesn't need the negativity.

      So he disables your affiliate links and tells you to go sell something else.

      I will have a hard time endorsing anything this guy has his name on, much less buying it.
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  • Profile picture of the author majestic12
    Hi there

    I want to add videos I have made myself to a wordpress blog and of course achieve those fantastic rankings with the thumbnails, I "was" going to purchase Mark Dulisses plugin but after reading this thread I am now slightly wary of buying it. Could I use a plugin such as this free WordPress › Embedded Video « WordPress Plugins and then submit a sitemap? would this be doing the same as Marks plugin and what some of you guys seem to have achieved?

    Has anyone changed their views on the Dulisse plugin?

    I must admit I like the thought of a simple plugin and a system which is outlined however "hate" the recuring fees part, also I am now unsure if it is safe to use after reading your posts.

    Thanks in advance.. David
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    • Profile picture of the author welshy
      Hi,

      I purchased this plugin many months ago, Mark keeps bringing out updates for the plugin but I'm have trouble generating the sitemap now.

      Maybe it's because the current site is also using Wishlist Member plugin, some videos are for members and some public.

      I use EVP 2.? and host the videos at S3, after searching google I came across this thread.

      Looks like I may need to create my own sitemaps, or does anyone know if the latest version GVS 2.19 fixed these problems?

      Does anyone have a pre-made videositemap.xml template that they can share that's also up to date with googles guidlines?

      I'm sure I can figure it out, just figured I'd ask.

      Craig
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  • Profile picture of the author welshy
    Hi,

    So after looking at another site videosite.xml file that seems to display thumbnails in web results, I've come up with this tempalte:

    Ok scratch that!

    Guess I need to post more than 15 posts to display code, kinda sad that I've been a member for so long and this will be my third post.

    Craig
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  • Profile picture of the author Microsys
    Hi,

    If anyone of you have trouble creating video sitemaps, please PM, and I will take it through a run with A1 Sitemap Generator (if you are using a custom content delivery network or special player I *may* need to add more code which is why some test websites will be welcome. It's generic code, so tailoring for specific players/networks is currently minimal.)

    In some cases video sitemaps won't be perfect. For instance A1SG will try pick an appropriate thumbnail through a variety of methods, but in cases where you have no thumbnail on your website, A1SG won't magically create a thumbnail and upload it to your website

    (I am satisfied if A1SG is able to determine the most relevant image as thumbnail of those available on website.) If anyone up for it, I will be happy to email generated video sitemaps back over PM/email
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    • Profile picture of the author majestic12
      After a long struggle I have eventaully managed to create a video, embed it and create a sitemap.

      Google though does not seem to have taken it in, can anyone tell me in their experience how long until google indexes videos. My sitemap was finally placed about 7 days ago, I just wondered if anyone would be good enough to take a look at it to see if there are any errors. Webmaster tools did not bring up any errors however I just can't seem to get any videos indexed, I would be grateful for any feedback on how video indexing "generally" takes.

      Maybe I should just be patient and give it a little more time????

      My sitemap is here http://www.tonsilstones.tv/video-sitemap.xml

      Kindest regards

      David
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