Backlinking Questions

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Alright most of my sites hit about 1,000 - 3,000 exact searches with absolutely no more than 10,000 competition (in quotes).

I figured this would be almost too easy to hit #1 if I made sure the competition wasn't too stiff.

It's now about 2 months later and I'm not seeing the results I expected and I know I'm not giving the highest quality backlinks but here's what I've been doing.

I submit about 10 backlinks a site a day for about 20 sites and most of the time it's page rank 0, but usually I'll find something 1-3 in the day and will submit it to their as well. These are all forum profile backlinks as well.

Some of my sites have had over 200 profile backlinks added and maybe 10 will show up on yahoo site explorer. I realize that it doesn't find every single one and I probably have much more but how is it I'm not dominating spot #1 for these sites? Do I seriously need high PR backlinks in mass for sites this specific?

I'm using All in One SEO with Flexibility 3 so it's got all the SEO optimization it needs, I'm using the keyword in the URL, anchor text, title, everything.

Is it just a time thing? I'm always going to keep pushing but it's discouraging when I see so many posts around here saying they hit page one in xx days with way more competition than I have doing seemingly less. ugh

any help is appreciated here there's something wrong with my formula and I need to figure it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
    I think it's just a time thing. With a new site you sometimes have to build trust with Google. It could also be that the links you have got aren't indexed. This takes time as well. As you say, just keep at it, but really focus on high PR links. They make a huge difference. I usually target PR 3 and higher. If I get a few PR 0's here and there they are a bonus, but I don't spend much time going after them.
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    • Profile picture of the author co-creator
      I disagree. I don't know much about any of this yet... but what I do know is that results don't lie. If you keep doing what you were doing, you'll keep getting what you were getting. It's time to make a change.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Brown
      Yeah I think I need a new backlink strategy. I'm having a hard time finding High PR backlinks for free..
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  • Profile picture of the author D Baker
    I think you didn't elaborate enough on the link building process you are taking. What link building methods are you using ?

    Also, what about the content you are adding to the sites? How much content are you adding to each site? Do you only focus on the main keyword or are you also focusing on some LSI keyword as well ?
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    • Well, to be honest, it can take quite a few more months if you keep building profile links at that pace. If you have to do them manually at all, at least try to filter out sites that are high PR and are "dofollow". Analyze the backlinking profile of your top spot competitors and try to get backlinks from similar sources. Either get tools to automate the backlink building or look into outsourcing it.

      Originally Posted by D Baker View Post

      I think you didn't elaborate enough on the link building process you are taking. What link building methods are you using ?
      I think he did, by saying he's getting a few profile links to his sites every day?
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      • Profile picture of the author ExploringInfinity
        I would try to get mentioned on a few blogs, and build some web 2.0 properties.. then start linking your crappy forum profiles to your web2.0 properties.

        Also write some articles for ezinearticles, goarticles, and others.. Point those to your 'money sites' and build all your low PR links pointing to your web2.0's and ezinearticles pages to give them more link juice.

        You need more variance in where you're getting your links from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    I think you need to publish some articles, promote them, create some web 2.0 profiles, participate in them, some blog comments won't hurt, and to help your profile links, find a few of interest (there must be something that interests you) and particpate in a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by John Brown View Post

    Alright most of my sites hit about 1,000 - 3,000 exact searches with absolutely no more than 10,000 competition (in quotes).

    I figured this would be almost too easy to hit #1 if I made sure the competition wasn't too stiff.

    It's now about 2 months later and I'm not seeing the results I expected and I know I'm not giving the highest quality backlinks but here's what I've been doing.

    I submit about 10 backlinks a site a day for about 20 sites and most of the time it's page rank 0, but usually I'll find something 1-3 in the day and will submit it to their as well. These are all forum profile backlinks as well.

    Some of my sites have had over 200 profile backlinks added and maybe 10 will show up on yahoo site explorer. I realize that it doesn't find every single one and I probably have much more but how is it I'm not dominating spot #1 for these sites? Do I seriously need high PR backlinks in mass for sites this specific?

    I'm using All in One SEO with Flexibility 3 so it's got all the SEO optimization it needs, I'm using the keyword in the URL, anchor text, title, everything.

    Is it just a time thing? I'm always going to keep pushing but it's discouraging when I see so many posts around here saying they hit page one in xx days with way more competition than I have doing seemingly less. ugh

    any help is appreciated here there's something wrong with my formula and I need to figure it out.
    It is tough to say without knowing the specifics around the competition. Where is your site ranked? Obviously not page one, but is it moving towards there. Also, 10 or 20 links a day is not that much if they are all PR 0. I'd step it up quite a bit and find some better sites. I usually don't bother with anything less than a PR 3.

    You said you are doing profile backlinks. I would vary things up a little bit. Maybe some article marketing or blog commenting.

    Have you submitted the RSS feed of each of your sites?

    What are you doing with your links after creating them? You could mash them into an RSS feed and submit that to help the search engines to find your links faster.

    Just a few things I would look at doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author LAF Riot
      Have you submitted the RSS feed of each of your sites?

      What are you doing with your links after creating them? You could mash them into an RSS feed and submit that to help the search engines to find your links faster.

      Just a few things I would look at doing.[/QUOTE]

      How do you go about mashing the links into an RSS feed? And where would you submit said feed to?
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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    I would like to post a link that explains more about the real value of a backlink at Google.Here is the formula.

    Here it is: PageRank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    • Profile picture of the author ExploringInfinity
      Originally Posted by alcymart View Post

      I would like to post a link that explains more about the real value of a backlink at Google.Here is the formula.

      Here it is: PageRank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


      You're Welcome,
      I just took the time to read through most of that wikipedia article.. Thanks for posting it alcymart.. That was definitely a good read.

      I also shared it with my facebook list.. A lot of Internet Marketing newbies on that list... I'm sure many of them will find it to be a valuable read too.

      Sorry to derail the thread, *points to the above post* back on track! Now carry on..
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      • Profile picture of the author Ryu
        yea dude, once you've created your profile link or any other link "Ping It". Ping everything, because sometimes google can't find your links, and if they can't find them they won't count them. So ping everything from your articles, profiles, blog commenting, forum posting, and RSS feeds. PING IT ALL and it's also a good idea to social bookmark it also. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but the amount of juice you will receive will be astronomical....
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      • Profile picture of the author John Brown
        Originally Posted by D Baker View Post

        I think you didn't elaborate enough on the link building process you are taking. What link building methods are you using ?

        Also, what about the content you are adding to the sites? How much content are you adding to each site? Do you only focus on the main keyword or are you also focusing on some LSI keyword as well ?
        What I'm doing is using ReviewAZON to create sites and then I'll write a buyers guide article for my subject and post that on the site. Then after that I've been writing reviews for whatever products I have on and publishing that to ezine, goarticles, and article base.

        I do keyword research on the product topics as well so I'm hoping I'll get a good funnel going to each one.

        On top of that I usually hit about 10 profile backlinks a day.

        Backlinks haven't been doing too much so I've been focusing a lot more on article marketing.

        usually writing 2 or 3 a day and backlinking. I'd do more if I wasn't taking 12 credit hours and working too.

        Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

        I think you need to publish some articles, promote them, create some web 2.0 profiles, participate in them, some blog comments won't hurt, and to help your profile links, find a few of interest (there must be something that interests you) and particpate in a few.
        I was thinking about making some web 2.0 sites, squidoo hubpages etc but in the past they've taken me a lot of time and unless they really have some juice should I bother with them?

        I guess I'm asking are they worth the time they take?

        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It is tough to say without knowing the specifics around the competition. Where is your site ranked? Obviously not page one, but is it moving towards there. Also, 10 or 20 links a day is not that much if they are all PR 0. I'd step it up quite a bit and find some better sites. I usually don't bother with anything less than a PR 3.

        You said you are doing profile backlinks. I would vary things up a little bit. Maybe some article marketing or blog commenting.

        Have you submitted the RSS feed of each of your sites?

        What are you doing with your links after creating them? You could mash them into an RSS feed and submit that to help the search engines to find your links faster.

        Just a few things I would look at doing.
        That reminds me I will start doing RSS feed submissions, I haven't been doing that. I haven't done anything with most of the links other than pinging some.

        I guess I figured they'd be found at their natural pace if I just pushed hard on them everyday.

        Originally Posted by BacklinkExcellence View Post

        Well, to be honest, it can take quite a few more months if you keep building profile links at that pace. If you have to do them manually at all, at least try to filter out sites that are high PR and are "dofollow". Analyze the backlinking profile of your top spot competitors and try to get backlinks from similar sources. Either get tools to automate the backlink building or look into outsourcing it.


        I think he did, by saying he's getting a few profile links to his sites every day?
        Yup I'm usually doing at least 10 time permitting, got a 12 credit semester and a part time job so I keep pretty busy.

        I was submitting to a ton of sites with OnlyWire but realized I could only do 300 submissions now with their new policies and they suspended my account.

        I'm not sure if it becomes active after a certain amount of time but if it does I'll be using that to my full advantage too.

        I thought what I was doing would be more than enough with how low my competition is but I'm just not seeing the results.

        My new addition will be:
        - Web 2.0 site creation (wordpress.com, hubpages, squidoo)
        - Submit RSS Feeds
        - Somehow find better forum profile backlinks? Not sure on this one I'm gonna have to do some more research.

        Thanks a lot for the support though guys I want this really bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
    John,

    You are not alone. My situation is very similar. I'm a newbie and I have a couple sites that are a couple of months old as well. They have good on-site SEO (using flexibility 3 as well). I have created over 40,000 backlinks over the last 2 months or so. Yahoo site explorer only shows about 200 of them. 30,000 of them were profile links. I ping about 200 of those per day to try to get them indexed over time. The other 10,000 or so links were from article directories, site directories and blog posts.

    For my keywords, there are IM'ers on page one in the SERPs with small, barely relevant sites that have less than 15 backlinks showing up. Their backlinks are PR0 and PRNA according to SEOquake.

    Should be easy to beat right?

    Yet, I am on page 20 even though I have better content, more content, better backlinks, more backlinks, keyword in domain and I am specifically targeting the keyword. I'm following all the rules but...

    So if anyone has any idea of why this is, I'd love to hear it as well.

    I'm all about working hard to get results which is what I've been doing. But I don't believe in wasting time with methods that don't actually work. If anyone has thoughts on what I might be doing wrong, I'd love to hear it.

    I've been backilinking like a madman but I'm still getting beat by miles by wimpy sites with very little SEO. Go figure... I hear about people ranking in a matter of a couple weeks so I just thought that 2 months would be enough time to at least see some kind of encouraging results.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Brown
      Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

      John,

      You are not alone. My situation is very similar. I'm a newbie and I have a couple sites that are a couple of months old as well. They have good on-site SEO (using flexibility 3 as well). I have created over 40,000 backlinks over the last 2 months or so. Yahoo site explorer only shows about 200 of them. 30,000 of them were profile links. I ping about 200 of those per day to try to get them indexed over time. The other 10,000 or so links were from article directories, site directories and blog posts.

      For my keywords, there are IM'ers on page one in the SERPs with small, barely relevant sites that have less than 15 backlinks showing up. Their backlinks are PR0 and PRNA according to SEOquake.

      Should be easy to beat right?

      Yet, I am on page 20 even though I have better content, more content, better backlinks, more backlinks, keyword in domain and I am specifically targeting the keyword. I'm following all the rules but...

      So if anyone has any idea of why this is, I'd love to hear it as well.

      I'm all about working hard to get results which is what I've been doing. But I don't believe in wasting time with methods that don't actually work. If anyone has thoughts on what I might be doing wrong, I'd love to hear it.

      I've been backilinking like a madman but I'm still getting beat by miles by wimpy sites with very little SEO. Go figure... I hear about people ranking in a matter of a couple weeks so I just thought that 2 months would be enough time to at least see some kind of encouraging results.
      Lol yeah man that definitely sucks. It's like you follow all the 'rules' that are posted around here and beast on it and everyone else's sites are making them $100 day.

      As soon as I get a working business plan going it's gonna be game over but I just can't get my sites to rank for even piddly competition.

      I do have some new idea's that I'm going to implement so we'll see how that goes.
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    what is web 2.0 profiles?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Errrr...

    Why spend time creating forum backlinks when you could have been writing new content and syndicating it + social bookmarking it + creating a solid base for your site?

    I just don't get some of you guys.

    Seriously.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Brown
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Errrr...

      Why spend time creating forum backlinks when you could have been writing new content and syndicating it + social bookmarking it + creating a solid base for your site?

      I just don't get some of you guys.

      Seriously.
      You're very helpful
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Originally Posted by John Brown View Post

    Alright most of my sites hit about 1,000 - 3,000 exact searches with absolutely no more than 10,000 competition (in quotes).

    I figured this would be almost too easy to hit #1 if I made sure the competition wasn't too stiff.

    It's now about 2 months later and I'm not seeing the results I expected and I know I'm not giving the highest quality backlinks but here's what I've been doing.

    I submit about 10 backlinks a site a day for about 20 sites and most of the time it's page rank 0, but usually I'll find something 1-3 in the day and will submit it to their as well. These are all forum profile backlinks as well.

    Some of my sites have had over 200 profile backlinks added and maybe 10 will show up on yahoo site explorer. I realize that it doesn't find every single one and I probably have much more but how is it I'm not dominating spot #1 for these sites? Do I seriously need high PR backlinks in mass for sites this specific?

    I'm using All in One SEO with Flexibility 3 so it's got all the SEO optimization it needs, I'm using the keyword in the URL, anchor text, title, everything.

    Is it just a time thing? I'm always going to keep pushing but it's discouraging when I see so many posts around here saying they hit page one in xx days with way more competition than I have doing seemingly less. ugh

    any help is appreciated here there's something wrong with my formula and I need to figure it out.
    Have you actually check the competition itself such as how established their sites are? Quite often I find that although the site has low # of competiting sites the top pages are rank by authority sites which can be harder to beat.

    Additionally it seems you are saying your site is SEO optimized for the keyword. Why not go to adwords keyword tool and enter your website to see what the SE think of your site and which keyword it's optimized for?

    Another issue might be you are not getting enough backlinks. Try ramping up your backlinking process carefully and you might see some results. I'd personally go with UAW, SEO link Vine, AMA, MAN submissions as well as a mixture of web 2.0 sites for some quality backlinks and traffic. You could also consider some high pr links and .edu/.gov links(.edu/.gov links are a littel bit overrated but they do help and are still valued) as well as some directory submission or social bookmarks does help. You want something that is affordable and doesn't burn a hole in your pocket before you see the results. So many of what is listed above are generally great value if you find the right outsourcing company.

    There are many things you can do to help your sites rank faster. Please feel free to pm me and I'll check it out for you and suggest something to get you to the first page.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
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    • Profile picture of the author JunkYour925
      I agree about the crappy forum back links.. low value compared to other avenues.

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      Remember if you are running this like a business stop being a writer, SEO geek, marketer...be a "PUBLISHER". That's what we really are, content PUBLISHERS. Outsource or have other services do all the mundane stuff for you. However, you should also do your own KYWD research - that is too important to O/S. It all goes fast this way and less load on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
    I think you have to ping all those backlinks created for your site. As most of your backlinks from new pages which may not be indexed or cached by Google. So you need to ping them to get those backlinks indexed. If you get backlinks from high PR page then there is no need to ping such pages as Google crawl those pages time to time.
    I think you are only doing profile links only. I will suggest you trying linkwheels of profiles, it will help you. Secondly you have to add some high PR backlinks. See all these efforts are part of a natural looking linkbuilding (although not natural one).
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author JunkYour925
    get the WooRank SEO plugin for Firefox and analyze your site against those on page #1 in Google SERP. Also use SEOQuake plugin and do same.
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