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Question for those that know exactly how market samurai works / keyword research

by Spartacus
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1) Let's say I have my keywords (2 keywords), typed them into MS and under SEO competition the following results are generated:



Would this scare you?

2) Let's say that NONE of the sites in the top 10 have the keywords in their domain name. But do have the keywords on a page within the site, like so:

www.example.com/category/keywords
www.example.com/catalog/keywords
www.example.com/category/1224=123dfblablaeee

etc.

Some sites listed in the top 10 are wikipedia, amazon, some stores, google results.

I have problems generating the anchor text results of those sites so I can't tell you what they are like, will keep trying and update this post.

3) What if I was to make a site that does have the keywords in the domainname? Do I have any chance of getting in the top 10? How long will it take? Within 2-3 months? etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
    1. No, this would not scare me.. Nothing scares me with regard to SEO because everything is achievable (with patience and effort). However, if I had it in my mind that I wanted to get something in the top 10 of Google quickly then I would be a bit cautious looking at most of the top 5 are well optimised in terms of on page SEO. Not many page backlinks though which would be encouraging. The PR of those sites shows they have some authority. Once again, not scary but certainly challenging.

    2 & 3. Keywords in the domain is a bit of a cheap trick these days. Yes, it can still work but if I were you I would open up my thinking and concentrate on getting a domain that is brandable rather than be limited to a single keyword. Add to this that by including the keyword in the filename it is equally as effective in terms of SEO.

    If you work hard at the content for this keyword, get all your on page SEO right and get some good backlinks then of course you could get a page ranked for this particular keyword. However, Google is Google and all keywords are different in terms of competitiveness.

    Being able to say exactly how long it would take is not possible for a brand new site, could be anywhere from a couple of days to a year or more even! What I can say though is that by getting some good high PR inbound links you increase the chances of breaking the top 10 considerably quicker..
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    • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
      Thanks for the reply.

      Reason for the keywords in the domainname is because it would be an affiliate website, for amazon.

      As for the stats, I thought a bit the same. Good onpage seo, but very little backlinks towards those pages with the keywords. But alot to the domain, which I'm not sure how important that is in this case.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        The importance of backlinks to the domain is a lot less than backlinks to the page itself. What it does indicate is the size of the whole site that the page is a part of and how many backlinks are spread over the whole site.

        If you see that the page has a fairly low PR with just a handful of backlinks to the page itself. If you also see that the site has thousands of backlinks this can tell you one of two things.

        1. The site has poor structure in terms of internal linking. Baring in mind that internal links also pass PR, ask why would a site with thousands of inbound links have such a low PR on one of its pages? It has poor internal linking could be the answer.

        2. It is a newish page and the internal structure is fine. Closer examination of the site would answer this.

        Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post

        Thanks for the reply.

        Reason for the keywords in the domainname is because it would be an affiliate website, for amazon.

        As for the stats, I thought a bit the same. Good onpage seo, but very little backlinks towards those pages with the keywords. But alot to the domain, which I'm not sure how important that is in this case.
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        • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
          What I also notice is that often when you search for your keywords, the singular keyword has a higher SEOV than the plural keyword. Does this mean it is better to focus on the singular word? So for example if my keywords are auto door, register greatautodoor.com instead of greatautodoors.com?

          Or is it that when you register the plural domainname of the keyword auto doors (greatautodoors.com) it automatically sees the keyword auto door?

          Hope I made it clear...
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          • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
            Well, in my experience plurals are treated differently to the singular. So optimizing for one or the other does not guarantee that you will do well for the other. It might help but it isn't a given.

            Personally, I wouldn't get to hung up on this domain name thing as you can optimise in just the same way using filenames and the usual SEO rules of keywords in META tags etc..

            Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post

            What I also notice is that often when you search for your keywords, the singular keyword has a higher SEOV than the plural keyword. Does this mean it is better to focus on the singular word? So for example if my keywords are auto door, register greatautodoor.com instead of greatautodoors.com?

            Or is it that when you register the plural domainname of the keyword auto doors (greatautodoors.com) it automatically sees the keyword auto door?

            Hope I made it clear...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    No, this wouldnt scare me at all.

    I managed to rank a very good keyword to page #2 on Google, ignore competition and strength. It's all nonsense Seriously, with some quality sites and dedicated work you can take on ANY niche.

    Also..forget PR since Google obviously gives out higher PR now for the crappiest sites, i have two sites PR4 which were easy to make, they dont have any traffic but PR4. And one crappy autoblog got PR3.

    And the above list from MS is proof that this might be a very doable niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
      Well I'm not going to ignore the strenght of competition, I try to take on competition that I think is do-able for me. I'm on a budget, if I was to take on bigger competition I would probably pay for a few services...like 3 way links and probably some others.

      Even now, I did backlinking (paulsqualitybacklinks), created up to 100 backlinks spread out over 1,5 month.

      I pinged all the backlinks, did socialbookmarking (pinged) & created feeds (pinged). Made a page on one of my other sites (unimportant site) with a couple of the forum profile backlinks on it so that I can link that page on high pr blog comments (dofollow). So the crawler goes from that blog > page with links > forum profile link > my important site.

      And only 7 are indexed.
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