does duplicate content affect SEO?

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Does duplicate content affect seo article submitting an directories i know many warriors send the same articles out to hundreds of sites for backlinking purposes or am i confused an only affecting people that steal content from one site to another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Alaway
    Duplicate content is only a problem when it's on your own site(s).
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    • Profile picture of the author scoopy
      Originally Posted by Brian Alaway View Post

      Duplicate content is only a problem when it's on your own site(s).
      sry i dont get it can you explain like if i took it from a popular blog etc. an slapped it on my site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Brian Alaway
        Originally Posted by scoopy View Post

        sry i dont get it can you explain like if i took it from a popular blog etc. an slapped it on my site?
        If you duplicate the content on multiple posts/pages of your site Google may decide not to index any of it.

        You can duplicate other content all you want but that doesn't mean Google will give you any link love for it, they most likely won't.
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    • Profile picture of the author meshantha
      what if i copied from others?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by meshantha View Post

        what if i copied from others?
        Depends in what context you are doing it. If you are just blatantly ripping content off of other websites, that is a copyright issue, not an SEO issue.

        If you are taking content from article directories and republishing it, as long as you are following their TOS, you are fine. That is what the article directories are for.

        Neither case has anything to do with SEO though.
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      • Profile picture of the author shuichi
        Originally Posted by meshantha View Post

        what if i copied from others?
        Don't copy or duplicate from others because make you website have bad SEO
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by shuichi View Post

          Don't copy or duplicate from others because make you website have bad SEO
          Did you even read anything in this thread. You do not have bad SEO from syndicating other's content. Does the New York Times have bad SEO from posting thousands of articles from the Associated Press?

          For SEO terms, you can rip off content from whomever you choose. Copyright wise, it's not a good idea unless you are given permission to use the content.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    It hurts you if a copy of it is on another site that Google trusts more than yours. In that case...sorry Charlie...
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      It hurts you if a copy of it is on another site that Google trusts more than yours. In that case...sorry Charlie...
      No that doesn't "hurt" you.

      Duplicate content is only a problem if you have the same content on multiple pages of the same site.

      So if you take an article and post it to

      mydomain.com/page1
      mydomain.com/page2
      mydomain.com/page3

      etc., etc.

      That would be a problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        No that doesn't "hurt" you.

        Duplicate content is only a problem if you have the same content on multiple pages of the same site.

        So if you take an article and post it to

        mydomain.com/page1
        mydomain.com/page2
        mydomain.com/page3

        etc., etc.

        That would be a problem.
        Oh yes it does. I syndicate content all of the time and Google definitely ranks the most trusted copy regardless if it is the original or not. I have seen this time and time again. Not getting ranked or put in supplemental is getting "hurt" and it doesn't have to be duplicate copies on the same site or subdomains. It just depends on how you define "hurt".
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        • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
          Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

          Oh yes it does. I syndicate content all of the time and Google definitely ranks the most trusted copy regardless if it is the original or not. I have seen this time and time again. Not getting ranked or put in supplemental is getting "hurt" and it doesn't have to be duplicate copies on the same site or subdomains. It just depends on how you define "hurt".
          If I'm understanding you correctly and you are being thrown to the supplemental index for doing nothing but successfully syndicating your content, I won't argue, but it seems extremely odd based on my own experience.

          What I will say is that I've been doing this for around 6 years now, (syndicating content that is) even gone as far as to test theories like yours rather extensively. From my experience what you are saying is patently untrue. There are no negative results from syndicating your content. At least it has never once happened to me, nor any member of my mastermind group, nor any of the senior warriors here - some of which share their experiences on the duplicate content subject in this thread.

          If you have proof I'd love to see it.

          Oh, and this

          Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

          Google definitely ranks the most trusted copy regardless if it is the original or not
          That certainly was true, but not so much after the last algorithm update. (Google Changes Algorithm To Penalize Site Scrapers)

          ...

          Cutts writes that this was a "pretty targeted launch" and that the "net effect is that searchers are more likely to see the sites that wrote the original content rather than a site that scraped or copied the original site's content.
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          • Profile picture of the author resource1
            Google is very smart and like only the unique content in your website.i submit the unique article on top most sites then write more for submitting other.
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            • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
              Originally Posted by resource1 View Post

              Google is very smart and like only the unique content in your website.i submit the unique article on top most sites then write more for submitting other.
              Yeah, ummm, thanks for that thread skimming, completely useless, uninformed, counter-productive and just generally bad advice.

              If google is "very smart" I've got a great idea for ya. Why not utilize the search function to do something crazy like learning about duplicate content? There's this whole magic wonderment of using a search engine to investigate, read, and eventually comprehend the topic at hand before blindly replying with these nonsensical opinions.

              God but posts like this are frustrating.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

          Oh yes it does. I syndicate content all of the time and Google definitely ranks the most trusted copy regardless if it is the original or not. I have seen this time and time again. Not getting ranked or put in supplemental is getting "hurt" and it doesn't have to be duplicate copies on the same site or subdomains. It just depends on how you define "hurt".
          Of course some copies will be ranked lower than other copies. They all cannot be #1. However, your site does not get penalized in any way for this.

          In fact, they can all rank fairly high. I have one search term right now where my main site has been moving between #1 and #2. An article I submitted to several article sites ranks 6 additional times in the top 20. The exact same article. Same title. On 6 different sites. All in the top 20.

          It hurts so good.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kom
    I am agree too

    The only thing is if you copy paste content (duplicate)
    that gona push you far from SEO,
    However, try to make your own content.
    Mr. Google Is smart, but He also computer, one the content submited, he will know.
    only if you have more backlink then you may ok for Big Mr google.
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    • Profile picture of the author erictan678
      To put it simply, duplicate has no penalty whatsoever. With enough backlinks or if your site is authoritative enough, it can still go far.

      However, with the recent algorithmic changes that Google has made, it is said that duplicate content will rank lower than the original content it is taken from. This still means that duplicate content has no negative effect, though

      my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    Answer is here at the matt cutt's recent blog post Algorithm change launched
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  • Profile picture of the author webmaster.9839
    Yes it effects SEO ... we have to give unique content if want good ranking in google ..
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by webmaster.9839 View Post

      Yes it effects SEO ... we have to give unique content if want good ranking in google ..
      Bloody hell man. You people never learn. READ A THREAD BEFORE POSTING WITHIN, and know your facts before offering advice!

      Here's a test for those genuine folks who continually see these ridiculous one liner advice posts and feel confused from their constant contradiction to reason and research...

      Hey webmaster.9839, how about coming back in and showing us some evidence of your findings? What ya think guy? Can or not?

      The Test: there are 3 possible things that could happen now, seeing as I am directly CALLING OUT webmaster.9839 to put his money where his mouth is.
      1. He doesn't come back, because the entire purpose for his post was to drop bad/misinformed info for a post count increase. (strong possibility)
      2. He comes back and starts a flame war - without providing one iota of evidence for his baseless claim. (not likely to happen)
      3. He doesn't come back, ignoring my challenge, because he knows what he posted is patently false. (also possible)
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  • Profile picture of the author echaz
    I personally never had a problem when I submit one article to hundreds of different sites.

    However there was one site of mine, where I always offered a bonus for a purchase. The site had 7 pages and on every single page I had the same "bonus content" which was a text with approx. 300 words.

    I got sandboxed after 7 months.. Of course I don't know if it really was due to dupe content.. just my experiences
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  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    The answers on this thread are spot on regarding penalties for dup content on your own domain, and no, if your content is also on other domains, it won't really hurt as long as;

    The article or page of content is not found on TOO MANY domains. So you can check this with the old test..... "put a sentence from the content in quotes like this and search it in Google".

    If there is only a handful of other sites with the same article, you are good to go. But if the same content is found on 50-60, 400-500, it won't do you any good. You won't be penalized for it, but you won't make any money from it (well....not much).

    That is why phrase and word rewriting is so important. Still NEVER as good a 100% unique content, but it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

      The answers on this thread are spot on regarding penalties for dup content on your own domain, and no, if your content is also on other domains, it won't really hurt as long as;

      The article or page of content is not found on TOO MANY domains. So you can check this with the old test..... "put a sentence from the content in quotes like this and search it in Google".

      If there is only a handful of other sites with the same article, you are good to go. But if the same content is found on 50-60, 400-500, it won't do you any good. You won't be penalized for it, but you won't make any money from it (well....not much).

      That is why phrase and word rewriting is so important. Still NEVER as good a 100% unique content, but it works.
      Really?

      So what is the magic number then? Is it ok if my article shows up on 7 domains? 12 domains? 16 domains? When does it go from good to bad?

      I'll take my article showing up on 400-500 sites versus only a handful any day.

      Also, if this were true, nobody would want to post their articles to sites like Ezine. You have no control over how many times a webmaster may decide to publish your article.
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      • Profile picture of the author TZ
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Really?

        So what is the magic number then? Is it ok if my article shows up on 7 domains? 12 domains? 16 domains? When does it go from good to bad?

        I'll take my article showing up on 400-500 sites versus only a handful any day.

        Also, if this were true, nobody would want to post their articles to sites like Ezine. You have no control over how many times a webmaster may decide to publish your article.
        Uh....who said anything about posting my articles in Ezine, or any other article submission site.

        All my articles (when I feel like doing it) are posted on Blogspot, Wordpress, and other 3rd party blog services.

        Don't let the big article directories "get you wet" because they have pagerank.

        Give it a try. You'll be happy
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        • Profile picture of the author TZ
          Your question the magic number?

          I don't want the same piece of content on more than 5-7 places. Move on to the next.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by TZ View Post

            Your question the magic number?

            I don't want the same piece of content on more than 5-7 places. Move on to the next.
            Why? That's what I'm getting at. You seem to think that search engines will discredit the article if it is found on too many sites. That is just not true.
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          • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
            Originally Posted by TZ View Post

            Don't let the big article directories "get you wet" because they have pagerank.
            Really mate, you can't be serious.

            Originally Posted by TZ View Post

            Your question the magic number?

            I don't want the same piece of content on more than 5-7 places. Move on to the next.
            You're shooting yourself in the foot with this strategy. Just sayin'. I market to many different niches, so to just use one medium competition niche as an example; I can be found at between 5 and 7 positions on page one, depending on google's daily dance. My own site sits consistently #1, my ezine article is at consistent #3, my closest competitor (who copied my EZA article and placed it on his site) is at #4, my goarticles submission sits at position #8. On the second page I'm at 3 different spots with my articlesbase submission, squidoo, e.t.c... and they occasionally tango their way up to page one when google starts the music. This is all ONE article verbatim, word for word, syndicated over 50 times.

            The residual article directory traffic along with the google traffic I get from owning so much real estate top 20 squashes what I would get only shooting for #1. And the backlinks I received from mass syndication is what helped to soar - and keep my authority site at position #1 in the first place.

            Tell me, how has mass syndication of my 1 piece of content hurt me? It hasn't - it's done nothing but give me heaps of traffic, clicks, exposure and sales that otherwise I'd never see.

            Furthermore, after a rather contentious argument over this last year a few of us did an experiment in a niche with lower competition, just to observe the results- to see if there was any sandboxing or devaluation of link weight from mass syndication. What ended up happening as 3 of us SEO'd 8 different directories, using 1 article? We dominated the first page, and eagerly watched as nothing was placed in the "supplemental" index, nothing at all was harmed from the effort.

            I have since successfully reproduced this result more than a few times, and my pockets thank me for working smart, and not working myself to death chasing an "original only" fallacy because of some persistent and ridiculous interwebz myth about "duplicate content penalties".

            Oh, and there's this. Which one of these sites is being penalized exactly?

            There's no doubt that unique content will always beat syndicated content, just from the originality and freshness factor. That is obvious. Having said that, if 1 article costs lowest 25.00 (I don't buy cheap articles), what is the cost for 100? 2,500.00. If writing an article takes me 1 hour, what's the time constraint on 100? 100 hours, or twelve, 8 hour days of solid writing. I syndicate my articles effectively in about an hour. Can you honestly tell me that an investment of that kind of time and/or money could ever be worth simply syndicating 1 article and garnishing almost identical traffic and results in the end?

            I've said it before, and here I go again. Article Directories, blogs, static sites, e.t.c... are like radio stations; your article being the "song". You wouldn't change your song every time you submitted it to a different radio station, yes? To re-record a song and reproduce it - or to write a new song every time would bankrupt an artist in a few days. Nor should you feel any need to change an article or limit your submissions to a certain number. It is incredibly poor use of time and money for a negligible - arguably non existent boost in return.
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            • Profile picture of the author TZ
              Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

              Really mate, you can't be serious.



              You're shooting yourself in the foot with this strategy. Just sayin'. I market to many different niches, so to just use one medium competition niche as an example; I can be found at between 5 and 7 positions on page one, depending on google's daily dance. My own site sits consistently #1, my ezine article is at consistent #3, my closest competitor (who copied my EZA article and placed it on his site) is at #4, my goarticles submission sits at position #8. On the second page I'm at 3 different spots with my articlesbase submission, squidoo, e.t.c... and they occasionally tango their way up to page one when google starts the music. This is all ONE article verbatim, word for word, syndicated over 50 times.

              The residual article directory traffic along with the google traffic I get from owning so much real estate top 20 squashes what I would get only shooting for #1. And the backlinks I received from mass syndication is what helped to soar - and keep my authority site at position #1 in the first place.

              Tell me, how has mass syndication of my 1 piece of content hurt me? It hasn't - it's done nothing but give me heaps of traffic, clicks, exposure and sales that otherwise I'd never see.

              Furthermore, after a rather contentious argument over this last year a few of us did an experiment in a niche with lower competition, just to observe the results- to see if there was any sandboxing or devaluation of link weight from mass syndication. What ended up happening as 3 of us SEO'd 8 different directories, using 1 article? We dominated the first page, and eagerly watched as nothing was placed in the "supplemental" index, nothing at all was harmed from the effort.

              I have since successfully reproduced this result more than a few times, and my pockets thank me for working smart, and not working myself to death chasing an "original only" fallacy because of some persistent and ridiculous interwebz myth about "duplicate content penalties".

              Oh, and there's this. Which one of these sites is being penalized exactly?

              There's no doubt that unique content will always beat syndicated content, just from the originality and freshness factor. That is obvious. Having said that, if 1 article costs lowest 25.00 (I don't buy cheap articles), what is the cost for 100? 2,500.00. If writing an article takes me 1 hour, what's the time constraint on 100? 100 hours, or twelve, 8 hour days of solid writing. I syndicate my articles effectively in about an hour. Can you honestly tell me that an investment of that kind of time and/or money could ever be worth simply syndicating 1 article and garnishing almost identical traffic and results in the end?

              I've said it before, and here I go again. Article Directories, blogs, static sites, e.t.c... are like radio stations; your article being the "song". You wouldn't change your song every time you submitted it to a different radio station, yes? To re-record a song and reproduce it - or to write a new song every time would bankrupt an artist in a few days. Nor should you feel any need to change an article or limit your submissions to a certain number. It is incredibly poor use of time and money for a negligible - arguably non existent boost in return.
              Thanks for the detailed comment. Very glad to hear of your success from all the hard work.

              Of course you are correct about the "duplicate content myth", and if it wasn't for the employment of dupicate content, I would not be making a living from my online work as well.

              This conversation proves that there many ways to make money online, and to get traffic flow.

              I just never trusted that the article marketing links would last forever. I see my competitors using the methods you are employing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    Yeah. I am dead serious.

    PR is not the end all.

    If you have over 100 3rd party blogs and complete control of the content (and some time advertising), you are managing domains that are laser focused on the niche, AND all of the content on them is not found in more than a hand full of places.

    So use the piece half a dozen times, and move on.

    You don't get as many links perhaps, but they're better links.

    The biggest red herring ever planted in the SEO world is that page rank zero pages don't pass allot of juice.

    Google does not give these big article directory inbounds nearly the same juice as they used to. This is ancient news.
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