Google Farmer Update Effect on Our Autoblogs - Traffic Screehsots

by TZ 71 replies
So the big bad 25th came about us and all of our autoblogs we're effected by the Google Farmer Update. See for yourself.

Looks like Google is "taking out the trash baby" - and when I say trash, I mean Google is wiping out webmasters and autobloggers that don't have a fricken clue what they are doing.


#search engine optimization #autoblogs #effect #farmer #google #screehsots #traffic #update
  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Well done!

    I've often dabbled with autoblogs but never got into them wholeheartedly. I'd love to at some point. I currently use lots of my own automated content on some sites to a certain extent so it wouldn't be a huge jump.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      autoblogs is the worst thing ever!
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        autoblogs is the worst thing ever!
        You obviously don't know much about them:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          hahhaa I know about them. I'm not saying that you can't get traffic from using autoblogs. I just think a lot of people don't use autoblogging responsibly which is why it has caused a whole mess.
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          • Profile picture of the author TZ
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            hahhaa I know about them. I'm not saying that you can't get traffic from using autoblogs. I just think a lot of people don't use autoblogging responsibly which is why it has caused a whole mess.
            No mess caused by autoblogs friend. An autoblog is a content aggregator and when carried out properly, they look fantastic, and the search engines LOVE them.

            I would have agreed with your statement if you had said;

            "Lousy rewriting, ugly, poorly coded, badly managed, autoblogs SUCK".
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            • Profile picture of the author Alaister
              lol maybe i was a little general. Just seen so many horrible autoblogs.
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              • Profile picture of the author TZ
                Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

                lol maybe i was a little general. Just seen so many horrible autoblogs.
                There are certainly some really crappy autoblogs on the web, but the great part about this new update is.......we won't be seeing much of them anymore.
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                • Profile picture of the author Alaister
                  ahhh yes. It is still early days however as the google dance stabilises we will be able to really see the impacts of the change and what exactly has been targeted in terms of the quality of sites and autoblogging.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

                    ahhh yes. It is still early days however as the google dance stabilises we will be able to really see the impacts of the change and what exactly has been targeted in terms of the quality of sites and autoblogging.
                    Since 2004 when we got really serious about creating content for the purposes making money, we have NEVER seen an upward trend in traffic at the beginning of an algo update that results in a Google smack after everything has stabilized.

                    What you CAN see on a Google algo update in the early stage of the "dance" is a small dip, then a recovery, and then WHAMMM!!!! Ouch.

                    NEVER seen an upward trend on dozens of domains like this. My experience tells me that we are going to win.

                    I'll be sure to post these after everything is done and settled.
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                  • Profile picture of the author marlon
                    Hey,

                    1. How often do you get requests to remove content you have
                    posted on your autoblogs and/or threats concerning that content
                    and/or lawsuits because you don't have permission to post it on your
                    blog?

                    To me, that's a major issue with autoblogs.

                    2. I know you are an expert and your blogs haven't been touched.

                    I guess the question is what about the people using your system?
                    Do you detail everything you do such that others can replicate your
                    success post google Farmer?

                    Best wishes,

                    Marlon
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                    • Profile picture of the author JunkYour925
                      TZ, just read your post "SEO in 2011 – Artificial Linking Is Dead" on your blog and it is EXCELLENT.

                      Thanks! Someone who knows his stuff and is sensible.

                      Stop listening to Matt Cutts - LMAO
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                      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
                        While your lengthy post on your blog is good, i still need to see "proof" that you can safely ignore anything about SEO and ONLY focus on long quality content. But who knows, maybe you are right.

                        As for your auto blogs, with the exception of the car autoblog i dont think that 10-15 uniques a day are overly impressive, no offense.

                        Such autoblogs (i am sure you know this) make sense if you deplay hundreds of them (which i am sure you did)...but then i ask whether the work effort <--> ROI is really worth it.

                        I personally focus rather on a couple "real" sites and get real traffic, instead of having a zillion blogs which each get a max of 15 uniques/day. (I am not even talking about logistical problems, IP diversity, hosting, domain names costs etc.)

                        Unless you have this highly automated and can deploy a HUGE number of such blogs without all those problems i dont see the sense in this (anymore)..auto blogs are a little "two years ago", IMO.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TZ
                          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

                          As for your auto blogs, with the exception of the car autoblog i dont think that 10-15 uniques a day are overly impressive, no offense.

                          Such autoblogs (i am sure you know this) make sense if you deplay hundreds of them (which i am sure you did)...but then i ask whether the work effort <--> ROI is really worth it.

                          I personally focus rather on a couple "real" sites and get real traffic, instead of having a zillion blogs which each get a max of 15 uniques/day. (I am not even talking about logistical problems, IP diversity, hosting, domain names costs etc.)

                          Unless you have this highly automated and can deploy a HUGE number of such blogs without all those problems i dont see the sense in this (anymore)..auto blogs are a little "two years ago", IMO.
                          No offense taken at all. Seeing stats of "baby blog" that are just hatching would not be impressive to a some, and that is OK. But the reality (as you also know, cause you sir have been in the field a long while now too ) is that most all domains take years to really become big earners.

                          But I do know this for a fact. ALL blogs do this if they keep getting content added (the right kind of content).




                          And, yes 450 or so uniques is not be deal, but when you have 50 or 100 of them it is. Never have to work at creating content on them.
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                            Nice graph!
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                            Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                            No offense taken at all. Seeing stats of "baby blog" that are just hatching would not be impressive to a some, and that is OK. But the reality (as you also know, cause you sir have been in the field a long while now too ) is that most all domains take years to really become big earners.
                            Granted but I really don't see the upward trend at the beginning of this algo at all in those stats. The graphics make them look impressive but the numbers don't tell the same story.


                            You had jumps in traffic from day to day without any algo change and if you have been running sites for awhile you know that even for the same time in a month the numbers can fluctuate without any change in the algo. A variety of things can change visitor searches and there really is no daily set search volume you can use as a baseline. Sorry but day after the algo doesn't really say anything. Algos work themselves through a number of crawls not instantly for all sites.

                            Still I think if you do concentrate on content you are on the right track. I just don't think you can draw alot of conclusions based on what you have up.
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                            • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                              Just saw this thread after posting in another about this... and probably more relevant here. I'm doing the same thing and the google algo has caused my sites to jump right up and quickly. I don't do any backlinking, marketing or anything... set em up and run cron jobs.. every night. I tried the auto plugins like wprobot3 and got nothing in return. I think they're trash because everyone is using them to scrape the same things. When I sat down and wrote my own php script, things just took off.. every day is earning more. My oldest site is not even 4 months old and I have over 100,000 pages of scraped content and it made $60 by itself this month.

                              I also have to smile when people criticize auto blogging. I read these posts all the time and just laugh. How else can you keep making money online while doing absolutely nothing? Set a site.. and walk away for good.

                              I just went from shared hosting this month to getting a VPS for the first time with a new goal of going from 30+ sites to hundreds this year.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                                Well how about that.. So the truth is Google don't actually want sites with relevant, quality content at all! They want sites filled with poorly re-written stolen content it seems.. Who'd have thought it.. :rolleyes:
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                              • Profile picture of the author TZ
                                Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                                Just saw this thread after posting in another about this... and probably more relevant here. I'm doing the same thing and the google algo has caused my sites to jump right up and quickly. I don't do any backlinking, marketing or anything... set em up and run cron jobs.. every night. I tried the auto plugins like wprobot3 and got nothing in return. I think they're trash because everyone is using them to scrape the same things. When I sat down and wrote my own php script, things just took off.. every day is earning more. My oldest site is not even 4 months old and I have over 100,000 pages of scraped content and it made $60 by itself this month.

                                I also have to smile when people criticize auto blogging. I read these posts all the time and just laugh. How else can you keep making money online while doing absolutely nothing? Set a site.. and walk away for good.

                                I just went from shared hosting this month to getting a VPS for the first time with a new goal of going from 30+ sites to hundreds this year.
                                Glad to have little back-up Josh . There is a constant meme these days that says, "autoblogs = bad, or autoblogs = crap".

                                Whatever people feel about them (and I do understand why some folks don't like them), they slave away creating content (a lot of content!) everyday and they earn money with Affiliate programs, Adsense, Chitika, etc.

                                And you are SO RIGHT. Until I did the coding and PHP writing myself to make the autoblogs perform properly, it never really worked. Hell, not long ago I WAS TRASHING autoblogs too because I was so frustrated with all the crappy autoblog systems. I tried 4 different ones and they all sucked bad.

                                Anyway.....we all have choices to make.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Chris Sweeney
                                  Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                                  There is a constant meme these days that says, "autoblogs = bad, or autoblogs = crap".
                                  TZ, I've always had a bad taste in my mouth about autoblogs because of the "constant meme" you speak of, and therefore I never made one. However, after reading this thread thus far, I kinda wanna dabble with autoblogs myself now. Any recommendations on getting started with one, since many are saying that a lot of the popular autoblog programs/plugins are crap?
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                                • Profile picture of the author SEG
                                  Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                                  Until I did the coding and PHP writing myself to make the autoblogs perform properly, it never really worked. Hell, not long ago I WAS TRASHING autoblogs too because I was so frustrated with all the crappy autoblog systems. I tried 4 different ones and they all sucked bad.

                                  Anyway.....we all have choices to make.
                                  Do you recommend the Zulit one in your sig? Will there be tweaking to the code to get it to work?
                                  Edited to add
                                  Oh, wait, it looks like you are the author of Zulit.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TZ
                        Originally Posted by JunkYour925 View Post

                        TZ, just read your post "SEO in 2011 – Artificial Linking Is Dead" on your blog and it is EXCELLENT.

                        Thanks! Someone who knows his stuff and is sensible.

                        Stop listening to Matt Cutts - LMAO
                        Thanks. I really believe that it is coming to this at some point.

                        For instance, we've got some blogs getting 700-800 uniques a day and never did a scrap of linking on them - just content. They are page ranked 1 or zero, depending on how old.

                        You don't need create artificial links.

                        When you write one long blog post, or have an automated post with 20 links in it going to other post on your blog, you have just created 20 links.

                        I truly believe that there is widespread mis-information on linking, and I don't trust the so-called experts. I believe Google is judging web sites more and more on content alone, and "linking" has become a red herring.

                        The only linking I see worthy these days is guest blogging.
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                        • Profile picture of the author JunkYour925
                          Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                          Thanks. I really believe that it is coming to this at some point.

                          For instance, we've got some blogs getting 700-800 uniques a day and never did a scrap of linking on them - just content. They are page ranked 1 or zero, depending on how old.

                          You don't need create artificial links.

                          When you write one long blog post, or have an automated post with 20 links in it going to other post on your blog, you have just created 20 links.

                          I truly believe that there is widespread mis-information on linking, and I don't trust the so-called experts. I believe Google is judging web sites more and more on content alone, and "linking" has become a red herring.

                          The only linking I see worthy these days is guest blogging.
                          I agree. After building so many mini adsense sites I've witnessed inconsistent correlation btwn # of BLs and SERP rank. I've been getting the feeling that all this BLing work is a waste of time and effort. In fact I've seen stuff at #1 with little or no backlinks. On-page and QUALITY content (free of grammer mistakes) can rank VERY high with no BLs and vice versa (no crappy spun unintelligible stuff allowed).

                          The only reason I may build BLs is to take somebody out who has built an OVERLY ridiculous amt of crappy BLs but has lousy on-page SEO compared to me otherwise why bother?! My T&E is better off spent doing on-site SEO etc.

                          I guess it goes to show you that once the herd all starts doing the same thing its no longer effective or a good idea. that could very well be what is or will soon be happening to the manufactured backlinking craze.

                          I even get the sense that RSS and Social BMing and pinging is slowly losing its effectiveness too!

                          btw, with your course are there any other expenses involved like buying plugins etc? I'd like to add auto-blogging to my portfolio/empire - the more diversified I am the better.
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                          • Profile picture of the author TZ
                            Originally Posted by JunkYour925 View Post

                            Btw, with your course are there any other expenses involved like buying plugins etc? I'd like to add auto-blogging to my portfolio/empire - the more diversified I am the better.
                            Only expense is your hosting and domain. The whole point is that all plugins required are built in.

                            I provide and entire WP upload installation with all code tweaks, and plugins already onboard.

                            The PDF guides the setup for Cpanel, Wordpress, and the autoblog in it's function from re-writing, cronning, and feed scheduling.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TZ
                      Originally Posted by marlon View Post

                      Hey,

                      1. How often do you get requests to remove content you have
                      posted on your autoblogs and/or threats concerning that content
                      and/or lawsuits because you don't have permission to post it on your
                      blog?

                      To me, that's a major issue with autoblogs.

                      2. I know you are an expert and your blogs haven't been touched.

                      I guess the question is what about the people using your system?
                      Do you detail everything you do such that others can replicate your
                      success post google Farmer?

                      Best wishes,

                      Marlon
                      Very good questions and surprisingly not often asked.

                      I always make sure each autoblog has an email contact page in the header that says, "please email if you wish to have your feed removed".

                      Once in a blue moon I will get an email asking for removal of a feed - why? They are getting inbound links, once, twice and sometimes three times per post! Don't forget that this autoblogs are phrase rewritten to beat the band.

                      I have people using my original content as well, and I don't care because all of their inbounds links can be seen in Yahoo's Site Explorer, and I'm sure Google see them too.

                      There is no big secret here. We all know that a blog needs regular updates, Google has to see it as "fairly" original, it has to look, and there has to be an internal and external linking system in play. The trick is having a well coded package.

                      It's a combination of plugins (some I coded myself) working in concert, and MOST importantly Google NEVER sees footprints.

                      Every autoblogger systems has trace footprints (by behavior) that have to be considered. Google bots are watching.
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                      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
                        Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                        Very good questions and surprisingly not often asked.

                        I always make sure each autoblog has an email contact page in the header that says, "please email if you wish to have your feed removed".

                        Once in a blue moon I will get an email asking for removal of a feed - why? They are getting inbound links, once, twice and sometimes three times per post! Don't forget that this autoblogs are phrase rewritten to beat the band.

                        I have people using my original content as well, and I don't care because all of their inbounds links can be seen in Yahoo's Site Explorer, and I'm sure Google see them too.

                        There is no big secret here. We all know that a blog needs regular updates, Google has to see it as "fairly" original, it has to look, and there has to be an internal and external linking system in play. The trick is having a well coded package.

                        It's a combination of plugins (some I coded myself) working in concert, and MOST importantly Google NEVER sees footprints.

                        Every autoblogger systems has trace footprints (by behavior) that have to be considered. Google bots are watching.
                        TZ,

                        with the autoblogs its really a number of problem(s), this is why i slowly got away from them and actually let a bunch of domains expire where is simply did not see the "worth".

                        a) as i said above, the "logistics" probably the biggest problem, that is, getting a zillion of truly diverse IPs and domains, deploying the blogs and so forth. I think this is a major obstacle when it comes to 100s of blogs.

                        b) CPU usage of autoblogs and their plugins. (Hosting issues). I had a bunch of autoblogs on my VPS..and some of them are truly "killers". The plugins and the cron jobs and content fetching often put serious strain on all resources - frequently slowing down all other sites. When a site which gets 15 uniques a day uses up most resources on your hosting you start thinking about whether it makes sense

                        This demands exceptional resources, dedicated hosting etc..

                        c) The fact that you depend on many hundreds of blogs using the same techniques to make money - because you do NOT know what Google does tomorrow or next week. There is always a likelihood that Google *does* slap you one day...and then you have 100s of sites affected which will ALL be down, de-indexed, penalized whatsoever. This is always possible and you never know what and when it will happen.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
                          I think I found some of your blogs.

                          I don't understand one thing:

                          How anyone can operate an autoblog on shared hosting or anything less than dedicated.
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                          • Profile picture of the author TZ
                            Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

                            I think I found some of your blogs.

                            I don't understand one thing:

                            How anyone can operate an autoblog on shared hosting or anything less than dedicated.
                            I run ALL of our autoblogs on shared hosting accounts, and all of the domains are private. All of our steady earning autoblogs will not be found using Whois and poking around in Zulit.com - I learned a long time ago to isolate my bread and butter from my competition.

                            The blogs you found are likely blogs of friends of mine that I host for them to give them a way to start for no investment. Uncles, kids, friends.

                            Curious though - why would hosting an autoblog on a shared hosting account be a problem????
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                            • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                              Originally Posted by TZ View Post


                              Curious though - why would hosting an autoblog on a shared hosting account be a problem????
                              Agreed. Shared hosting works quite well. Why wouldn't it? Unless you're using that horrible wprobot3 plugin which is incredibly resource abusive. If you're running clean code, an update to the database should take maybe a minute a day.. and that's it.
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                              • Profile picture of the author TZ
                                Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                                Agreed. Shared hosting works quite well. Why wouldn't it? Unless you're using that horrible wprobot3 plugin which is incredibly resource abusive. If you're running clean code, an update to the database should take maybe a minute a day.. and that's it.
                                Right - it's doesn't have to be a resource hog at all. All my autoblogs update and pull between 5-6 AM Eastern time when the servers are purring along without stress, AND I only pull new post per feed to stop dups and keep resources down.
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                                • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
                                  Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                                  Right - it's doesn't have to be a resource hog at all. All my autoblogs update and pull between 5-6 AM Eastern time when the servers are purring along without stress, AND I only pull new post per feed to stop dups and keep resources down.
                                  I once had an auto-bog in a sports niche. Like most of my projects, I got bored with it and dumped it...I know...I know...I'm stupid.

                                  But I must say that with the right combination, I found that you can indeed create an auto-blog with quality content that is not a resource hog.

                                  You definitely have to tweak and tune them and in this regard, you have to know what you are doing, but it's definitely possible.

                                  I have had them in sports and gaming. I found that adding unique content to them occasionally was a welcome boost.

                                  Heck, the sports niche auto-blog I set up I found myself visiting just to visit it and read the content and watch the videos so I know that if done correctly, they can be QUITE effective and useful.

                                  Its all about what you put into it.

                                  The truth of the matter is...most people don't know how to set them up and they crash and burn...hard. You have to be a perfectionist to set up auto-blogs IMO and most people aren't.

                                  The ones I set up I didn't use software or plugins for. I set up a Wordpress blog and then coded the rest myself using Java and PHP. They looked and functioned great.

                                  Actually, this thread is starting to make me want to build some more of them.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                                    Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

                                    I once had an auto-bog in a sports niche. Like most of my projects, I got bored with it and dumped it...I know...I know...I'm stupid.

                                    But I must say that with the right combination, I found that you can indeed create an auto-blog with quality content that is not a resource hog.

                                    You definitely have to tweak and tune them and in this regard, you have to know what you are doing, but it's definitely possible.

                                    I have had them in sports and gaming. I found that adding unique content to them occasionally was a welcome boost.

                                    Heck, the sports niche auto-blog I set up i found myself visiting just to visit it and read the content and watch the videos so I know that if done correctly, they can be QUITE effective and useful.

                                    Its all about what you put into it.

                                    The truth of the matter is...most people don't know how to set them up and they crash and burn...hard. You have to be a perfectionist to set up auto-blogs IMO and most people aren't.
                                    Regarding original content.

                                    If you really want to fire up an autoblog, use the CSV-IMPORT plugin for Wordpress, setup an excel spreadsheet, write your brains out for one day, import, and done.

                                    Scheduled org content that trickles and mingles in with the feeds. BUT, if you set up re-writing thoroughly, it's not necessary.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
                                      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                                      Regarding original content.

                                      If you really want to fire up an autoblog, use the CSV-IMPORT plugin for Wordpress, setup an excel spreadsheet, write your brains out for one day, import, and done.

                                      Scheduled org content that trickles and mingles in with the feeds. BUT, if you set up re-writing thoroughly, it's not necessary.
                                      You mean like original posts between auto-posts or actually MIX the content. That is the first have heard of THAT one.
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                                        Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

                                        You mean like original posts between auto-posts or actually MIX the content. That is the first have heard of THAT one.
                                        CSV IMPORTER is a very powerful plugin that only requires setting up an excel spreadsheet (which they provide a template for you) and each column is a value;

                                        - column 1 = title
                                        - column 2 = post
                                        etc. etc.

                                        Categories created and comments if you want (I don't).

                                        Most important is the schedule column so you can control the schedule of the posts.

                                        Each import schedules 100% original content in seperate posts. NOT mixed with feed posts. Separate.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
                                          Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                                          CSV IMPORTER is a very powerful plugin that only requires setting up an excel spreadsheet (which they provide a template for you) and each column is a value;

                                          - column 1 = title
                                          - column 2 = post
                                          etc. etc.

                                          Categories created and comments if you want (I don't).

                                          Most important is the schedule column so you can control the schedule of the posts.

                                          Each import schedules 100% original content in seperate posts. NOT mixed with feed posts. Separate.
                                          An you use this as a means to "spin" articles?
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                                          • Profile picture of the author TZ
                                            Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

                                            An you use this as a means to "spin" articles?

                                            No. This process is just what can be done to spice up an autoblog, or ANY blog with 100% unique micro articles. 100% original, because you wrote it.

                                            Take a look at the "Answer sites"....many of the searches they rank for don't even have an answer, and often the answer is one sentence.

                                            The only spinning on an autoblog is on the content pulled from feeds - rewritten.

                                            Two different types of content melded.

                                            Keep in mind you don't have to do this to make an autoblog work.

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                                            • Profile picture of the author JunkYour925
                                              yeah the "answer sites" is a great way to promote your site. So many poor or short answers to questions. Or none at all. Adding great value by placing a good answer there and pointer back to your niche site/page for more info.

                                              I use askville for my Amazon review sites...what a field day!

                                              TZ,just placed an order for your course...why re-invent the wheel?! lol
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                                                Originally Posted by JunkYour925 View Post

                                                yeah the "answer sites" is a great way to promote your site. So many poor or short answers to questions. Or none at all. Adding great value by placing a good answer there and pointer back to your niche site/page for more info.

                                                I use askville for my Amazon review sites...what a field day!

                                                TZ,just placed an order for your course...why re-invent the wheel?! lol
                                                Shhh.....Askville is a nice little boon.
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                                                  Great screen shots Terry!

                                                  What tracking software is that?!

                                                  I've been so damn busy... I've built 4 brand new damn sites in the last two weeks, FINALLY hit spots 1 & 2 for a bunch of search terms I've been targeting for two different sites (I guess 6-months is the magic age)!

                                                  You damn autobloggers... You just don't know how tedious and time consuming it really is to build a website from the ground up, create graphics and content, and always have the on-site seo factor in the back of your mind...! Then the fun off-site seo begins...

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                                                  Now the purpose of my rant: I have too many sites to track and like the looks of whatever the hell it is you are using!! I want to simplify that part atleast!

                                                  CHEERS & CONGRATS ON HARDWORK PAYING OFF!
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                                                    Originally Posted by scott g View Post

                                                    Great screen shots Terry!

                                                    What tracking software is that?!

                                                    I've been so damn busy... I've built 4 brand new damn sites in the last two weeks, FINALLY hit spots 1 & 2 for a bunch of search terms I've been targeting for two different sites (I guess 6-months is the magic age)!

                                                    You damn autobloggers... You just don't know how tedious and time consuming it really is to build a website from the ground up, create graphics and content, and always have the on-site seo factor in the back of your mind...! Then the fun off-site seo begins...

                                                    </RANT>

                                                    Now the purpose of my rant: I have too many sites to track and like the looks of whatever the hell it is you are using!! I want to simplify that part atleast!

                                                    CHEERS & CONGRATS ON HARDWORK PAYING OFF!
                                                    Outsource.

                                                    SEscout > OP.
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                                                      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                                                      Outsource.

                                                      SEscout > OP.
                                                      SEscout I'll have to check that out.

                                                      I'll outsource some backlinking and what not... But when it comes to the sites themselves and the content on them... I'm just too anal and everything has to be my way lol! My upside and downside.
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                                                        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

                                                        SEscout I'll have to check that out.

                                                        I'll outsource some backlinking and what not... But when it comes to the sites themselves and the content on them... I'm just too anal and everything has to be my way lol! My upside and downside.
                                                        We offer free accounts. Give us a spin. I'm sure you wont be disappointed.

                                                        Have to agree, Google is really going out on a limb with the "farmer update". They sort of took a strongarm approach and manually downplayed some of the bigger "farming" sites. I seriously have doubts that there is any sort of big algo. change going on here.
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          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          You obviously don't know much about them:rolleyes:
          Hi Wolfmmiii,

          I do. And they're the worst thing ever Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author TZ
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        autoblogs is the worst thing ever!
        Yeah. They're horrible.

        - pays my RV payment
        - pays my mortgage
        - pays for trips to Mexico

        Yeah. They're disgusting.

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    TZ,

    Can you PM me the links to these, I'd like to see if my theory is consistent with your results.
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    Great job!
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    "SEO in 2011 – Artificial Linking Is Dead"

    Link wheels are dead? Since when? I get a lot of traffic from from mine and right after making them, my site went up in the serps.

    I'm not an expert but with unique content on each site on the link wheel I get results.
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  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
    Very interesting thread and info, glad to see that some peeps are sailing the big G dump storm nicely... as long as your content is good, an autoblog is just like any other website, portal, rah rah etc etc, if you are running crappy, duped, boring niche, no idea what you are doing semi or full autoblogs, then G will find you and push you over the cliff in the end lol

    Good on you Terry keep it up and up!

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      Originally Posted by daddykool View Post

      if you are running crappy, duped, boring niche, no idea what you are doing semi or full autoblogs, then G will find you and push you over the cliff in the end lol
      The "cliff" must be page 2, cause the only place google put my 100% autoblog is page 1.
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    I've seen the same results..

    went from #7 to #3 for one site
    went up to page in in a whole set of keywords for another ..

    Awesome update google!
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  • Profile picture of the author tybeeroad
    Just wanted to chime in here as I'm a newbie.

    My oldest site is only a little over 2 months old. It initially jumped from position 3 to position 1 and then dropped to page 5 today.

    But another site that is only 2 weeks old went from page 1 to page 3?

    That being said the traffic to the site only dropped by about 30% due to all the articles that I've been feeding in and translating.

    I'm sure that my income is going to drop a bit for the next few weeks, but I'm looking forward to watching the site slide back up to page 1 again!

    Sean
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    • Profile picture of the author marlon
      Hey,

      The objection was brought up that you have to have hundreds of these
      to get a few that work.

      So let's hear the truth.

      To get the $16,000 or whatever a month you're doing, how many
      autoblogs TOTAL does it really take and how many shared hosting
      accounts do you gotta have?

      The objection was brought up that it takes too much time and energy
      to manage the logistics. So how much time does it really take to
      deploy and manage them?

      Finally, the objection was brought up that they only get 15 visitors
      a day and you showed one that ramped up more than that.

      Are there numbers as far as how many will go on to get a lot of
      visitors and how many will just putt along at 15 visitors a day?

      You may or may not want to address the "stolen content"
      objection.

      I thought we'd try to keep this thread constructive.

      Marlon
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      • Profile picture of the author TZ
        Originally Posted by marlon View Post

        Hey,

        The objection was brought up that you have to have hundreds of these
        to get a few that work.

        So let's hear the truth.

        To get the $16,000 or whatever a month you're doing, how many
        autoblogs TOTAL does it really take and how many shared hosting
        accounts do you gotta have?

        The objection was brought up that it takes too much time and energy
        to manage the logistics. So how much time does it really take to
        deploy and manage them?

        Finally, the objection was brought up that they only get 15 visitors
        a day and you showed one that ramped up more than that.

        Are there numbers as far as how many will go on to get a lot of
        visitors and how many will just putt along at 15 visitors a day?

        You may or may not want to address the "stolen content"
        objection.

        I thought we'd try to keep this thread constructive.

        Marlon
        The old question of "how many domains does it take to make a certain amount" is so subjective, but on average my autoblogs are making around $2200 to $2500 a month, and there are only 37 domains that get the lion's share of the traffic. We have another 35 new ones just started out.

        I have normal blogs we manage that make $4000-$4200 this month. This is our busy season starting this month. Autoblogs was just a 3 year experiment that worked. My wife has her own little empire. She also still plays the PPC game. Yech!

        Stolen content. Email link for those who want their feed removed.

        I can deploy one of these in under an hour, and the phrase rewriting takes about 3 hours - rewriting has to be done by niche.

        Then I'm done forever.
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    TZ everything you said is inspiring, hoping to get like you one day.

    Thanks for everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author warner444
    Interesting testing on a hot topic TZ, thanks for the informative post.

    Guest Blogging is currently one of my favorite link building methods and I plan to continue with it. Same with article marketing.

    My sense is Google will adjust to maintain good quality content findable by searchers even if some short term bumps show up on their way to the goal. They have to show useful results or they will just plain be out of business. They do know this.

    Crappy spun content and articles written by people with poor writing skills probably never was as useful as some would say. One catchy post or article title with useful information by itself will build more links than a couple hours of pushing junk all over the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author BishopMartin
    I built an aggregator site months ago and have not done much with it since. It has been getting about 150-200 visits a day consistently for weeks. Two days ago my traffic started spiking and yesterday I had over 500 visits. This site has adsense on it but makes me almost no money as the CTR is less than 1%.

    As its getting so much traffic now I was thinking of spending the weekend updating the layout and making some other adjustments. I want to change the ad position, and add share and like buttons, etc. etc. TZ, can you comment on if this was your site what CTR/income you might expect it to make? I am just looking for something to shoot for..

    As to the AutoBlog argument in general -
    This is my first and only autoblog.
    I don't rewrite any content, its all straight dupe.
    Almost all search traffic is super long tail..
    I did build some links initially but stopped months ago..
    This site now gets organic un-solicited links and tweets on a regular basis.
    Each post links back to the originating source.
    I have a form for people to submit their blog if they want their posts included in my site.
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      Originally Posted by BishopMartin View Post

      I built an aggregator site months ago and have not done much with it since. It has been getting about 150-200 visits a day consistently for weeks. Two days ago my traffic started spiking and yesterday I had over 500 visits. This site has adsense on it but makes me almost no money as the CTR is less than 1%.

      As its getting so much traffic now I was thinking of spending the weekend updating the layout and making some other adjustments. I want to change the ad position, and add share and like buttons, etc. etc. TZ, can you comment on if this was your site what CTR/income you might expect it to make? I am just looking for something to shoot for..

      As to the AutoBlog argument in general -
      This is my first and only autoblog.
      I don't rewrite any content, its all straight dupe.
      Almost all search traffic is super long tail..
      I did build some links initially but stopped months ago..
      This site now gets organic un-solicited links and tweets on a regular basis.
      Each post links back to the originating source.
      I have a form for people to submit their blog if they want their posts included in my site.
      CTR is dependant on the niche. If your topic is Paris Hilton you will have a really low CTR, but if your topic is product based it will be higher. All you can really do is make sure you have your advertsing right below the header (which is what I do on mine) and then test ad placement right below each post if you like. Just open up your single.php and drop your ad code below the the_content area.

      Remember that visitors DO read the content and they take part in discussion too. They don't know it's an autoblog.

      You also get other autobloggers linking to your autoblog trying to get a trackback from you. Akismet sees these links as spam, so you don't approve any of the trackbacks. You just keep getting hundreds of one way inbound links a month.
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        Originally Posted by TZ View Post

        CTR is dependant on the niche. If your topic is Paris Hilton you will have a really low CTR, but if your topic is product based it will be higher.
        This site is brand related fashion footwear..

        Originally Posted by TZ View Post

        Remember that visitors DO read the content and they take part in discussion too. They don't know it's an autoblog.

        You also get other autobloggers linking to your autoblog trying to get a trackback from you. Akismet sees these links as spam, so you don't approve any of the trackbacks. You just keep getting hundreds of one way inbound links a month.
        I have comments and trackbacks closed, but will open them up on new posts and see what happens. Wish there was any easy way to open/close all post at once..

        Thanks!
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    the google anti-farm update has made me think a lot about setting up a autoblog of my own:rolleyes:
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      Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

      the google anti-farm update has made me think a lot about setting up a autoblog of my own:rolleyes:
      Me too, but my current ones (the ones which are not expired, that is)...suck. They are autoblogs from the first generation, simple putting ezine articles on it etc...unaltered.

      They dont have PR or any alexa ranking.

      If autoblog, then there must be more to it, either some fancy rewriting...or using content from different sources. Otherwise they wont go anywhere really.
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        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        Me too, but my current ones (the ones which are not expired, that is)...suck. They are autoblogs from the first generation, simple putting ezine articles on it etc...unaltered.

        They dont have PR or any alexa ranking.

        If autoblog, then there must be more to it, either some fancy rewriting...or using content from different sources. Otherwise they wont go anywhere really.
        Yeah. I never had any good action until I was doing some good rewriting.
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        • Profile picture of the author WmStout
          Hmm.... Been reading a bunch about these, waiting to see how bad they get slapped. This thread may have just pushed me over the edge on starting one up to see what happens. Still curious to see if the upswing continues in a months time, after the crawlers have had a better look around....
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          Thank god for this thread. I just put up like 29 autoblogs (just finished last week) and I was scared to death after hearing about the farmer update.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior rakib
    hi all,
    i am having some problems with google algorithm...
    i have a site and i have been creating backlins from site's being live. the problem is i can see some of my competitors are in higher position than me having a poor amount of backlins...i have compared my site's contents with theirs and i found nothing special with those contents (i judged neutrally). is there any solution to this problem or any guideline for me?...
    thanks,
    let the peace of almighty be upon you...
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingTorch
      Hi Terry, not much to add, really, just wanted to say what an awesome thread this has been.

      One person did comment on shared hosting versus dedicated, and my response to that is that I was originally on shared hosting but because I had a background in Linux and web programming, I jumped off the deep end and became my own ISP, doing the web hosting, ftp and email hosting myself. That's a learning curve about as steep as El Capitan compared to simply learning to use cPanel and using Fantastico to install Wordpress, like at the average shared hosting co. However, I have ultimate control over all the system factors, by building the server from the metal up.

      For those who are thinking about autoblogging, I say go for it, but moderate your posts - look at them and personalize them before adding them to your drip system. That's the smartest way and it's what TZ is doing to make big bucks because it works!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
    I just noticed that someone copied my affiliate review page word for word. So if you think your content is unique you might want to copyscape it and make sure nobody is copying your sales page.
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    One of my site grow up, from 128 index to 588 index.. good news..LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris215
    how are you guys monetizing for autoblogs? just through adsense and what earns you the most?
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  • Profile picture of the author Cofresi
    Thanks TZ for all the info. Are you using HyperVRE anymore?

    Some months ago, I blew my money on a high priced plugin that does not really provide you with a formula to make it work properly. So my total income at the moment has been 72 cents. So now i'm ready to find another one that does the job.
    I really think this can work, it has too, I already spent the money and my refund time ran out, So i'm going to regroup wash out the regrets and come back again. Since I have a bunch of unused domains, there is definitely a use for them here.
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    It's unfortunate for many, but Google has always wanted unique content that proivides value to their searches
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