Interesting side-effect after last Google algo change (good times for scrapers! Yes, seriously!)

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Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

Proof:

Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

HILARIOUS!
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  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

    The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

    While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

    Proof:

    Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

    So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

    HILARIOUS!
    That's what we are seeing George, and this morning our autoblogs are having very high Monday stats for unique visitors. Encouraging, but I think that autoblogs that don't do enough phrase rewriting are going to get hurt bad.
    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

      That's what we are seeing George, and this morning our autoblogs are having very high Monday stats for unique visitors. Encouraging, but I think that autoblogs that don't do enough phrase rewriting are going to get hurt bad.
      Not true here. I do 0 phrase rewriting.. exact copy... and I've been boosted significantly.
  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Interesting theories. Of course if correct, this would mean that Googless attempts even determine what is duplicate content is still lacking in some form or fashion...???
    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      Interesting theories. Of course if correct, this would mean that Googless attempts even determine what is duplicate content is still lacking in some form or fashion...???
      The thing about what I do is this... I look to scrape sites that have a lot of pages, but aren't hugely known (staying away from amazon, craigslist, ebay, etc...) and those that I know everyone and their brother is scraping. (Seriously, there are hundreds of thousands of people scraping these sites!) By doing this.. I have ... let's say.. 10,000 unique long tail keywords that I share only with the site I'm scraping from. So now.. "duplicate content" means nothing (though many will argue it means nothing anyway) because... if someone punches in my long tail keyword and it brings up only 2 results.. me and the site I'm scraping, I'm going to get some visitors to my site and it's just as simple as that.

      To take this even further, my best site scrapes an overseas website and every time I test for keywords, my site beats theirs out and I get first. I don't know if this is because Google prefers US sites?? Regardless, I think most Googlers will not choose an overseas domain as their first choice so I'd probably win that war anyway.
  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    My autoblog has stayed steady or increased slightly. My message forum has increased. My high-quality blog with the best content has took a hit BIG TIME. I've been promoting my blog via, forum posting, article marketing, link directories, profile links, blog commenting, web2.0, bookmarking... you name it, I've done it. And I've lost 25-30%.

    My forum and autoblog (which I never promoted) are doing great. I don't understand this. I am wondering if Google is penalizing low quality backlinks.
    • Profile picture of the author S.
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      My autoblog has stayed steady or increased slightly. My message forum has increased. My high-quality blog with the best content has took a hit BIG TIME. I've been promoting my blog via, forum posting, article marketing, link directories, profile links, blog commenting, web2.0, bookmarking... you name it, I've done it. And I've lost 25-30%.

      My forum and autoblog (which I never promoted) are doing great. I don't understand this. I am wondering if Google is penalizing low quality backlinks.
      That's the problem, you did unnatural linking. That's not what Google wants... they want real good content.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you're using wp-robot on all of them? Sorry too lazy to look at your site now. But indeed, this is interesting and opens up A LOT of new possiblities...

    Rewriting is not even an issue..there are plenty of ways to do this.

    And yes...look at it that way:

    Article site got a penalty, sinks down -25 in rankings. Does that mean i can take a 1:1 dupe and will now outrank the source which Google conveniently removed from the rankings?

    If so...Google has some home work to do..they basically extinguished the fire with gasoline..so to speak
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      you're using wp-robot on all of them? Sorry too lazy to look at your site now. But indeed, this is interesting and opens up A LOT of new possiblities...
      Like what? building an empire based on the content Google just slapped? Just waiting for this or the next algo change to take effect on you?

      A) Algos take weeks to know what is going on. As the bots crawl through sites thats when they make the most changes. So you can simply be looking at the reality that your pages haven't been crawled enough yet so the algo hasn't taken affect.

      B) Why would you take all that time to work new opportunities on an oversight by google when you KNOW they are not done and are on the prowl. thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.

      ..........until the day the same people knock at your door.

      Now if you already have sites that have all that junk content then fine. Be happy you were not affected . but anyone looking at this saying hey theres some new opportunities I can start up with this content google just slapped and I'm going to spend my time and money working it......

      Sorry but you are nuts.
  • Profile picture of the author mandark
    I wouldn't count on this trend sticking around.. in my opinion it is fairly likely that since Google has both their content duplication algorithm and their new content farm algorithm, that they will soon combine them so that the penalty for content farms propogates to the users of this content.
    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by mandark View Post

      I wouldn't count on this trend sticking around.. in my opinion it is fairly likely that since Google has both their content duplication algorithm and their new content farm algorithm, that they will soon combine them so that the penalty for content farms propogates to the users of this content.
      I've kind of had that same fear. I'll keep going until it breaks but granted.. wouldn't take much for them to decide to wipe all of these types of sites.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.
    That how i define a true and successful entrepreneur
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    If "unnatural" linking is so bad...how comes i can examine "mega niches" and see sites dominating #1 (ok, before the recent change)....very OBVIOUSLY solely based on "unnatural linking".

    Sorry...you dont get a MFA "lose weight" adsense site to #1 using "natural" approaches, no way on earth.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Sorry guys you can't state anything as fact. If you aren't cracking any real money yet and/or your signature touts auto blogs I think its pretty easy to discount what you are saying.
    You will laugh, i totally forgot i am actually offering something autoblog related in my signature - nevertheless, what you are saying there sounds pretty negative and i don't think you have a base to stand on when you say something like that.

    If you see my OP, you can see i merely pointed something out, please dont make it sound like i (or other participators in the thread) state a (biased) opinion solely because they try to sell something related to the subject. Seriously ....

    Also..i think the debate went a wrong turn since the question whether autoblogs are "legit" or a "good way to make money" was never on the table. Everyone can have their own opinion there, i personally don't care.
    It's mainly about whether and if the recent changes in google do indeed come with that side-effect, which would be very ironic, in my opinion. My own personal stance in regards to autoblogs in this thread was "neutral", at best. (Regardless of my signature)
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      You will laugh, i totally forgot i am actually offering something autoblog related in my signature - nevertheless, what you are saying there sounds pretty negative and i don't think you have a base to stand on when you say something like that.

      Of course I have a base to stand on but heres the kicker. I wasn't talking about you with that line and I didn't even know you had that in your signature. You are a regular here and I rarely look at your sig anymore because I know who you are.

      But lets be real and honest. I have sold things here and do you think I am going to see the dark side of my product and post on it here? So yeah if you are into autoblogging you are going to hang on to every possible positive development. Everyone coming in here with an autobloggin product or service is NOT going to say - wow I took a hit this doesn't work anymore or it won't soon because guess what?

      They'd take another hit to their business. Over half come intothese forums aren't making anywhere near the money they are pretending to make and are making more selling their product. Common IM reality.

      the part that did refer to you was the seeing an opportunity in using content Google already penalized for another site. Doesn't make any sense to me. To use another analogy its like getting cheap paint from your neighbor because the condo association stopped them from painting their house with it and trying to do the same. Sooner or later the chances are rather high their going to get to you too.
  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    wasnt there a thread on Oz's wp plugin that dealt with the Adsense TOS and scrape - non unique content - and NOT putting adsense on that?
    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Putting Adsense on autoblogs is just plain stupid. For the one main reason that unless you have a penchant for trawling through a ton of crap, you have no idea what your content is about..

      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

      wasnt there a thread on Oz's wp plugin that dealt with the Adsense TOS and scrape - non unique content - and NOT putting adsense on that?
  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    I hope your not monetizing your sites with adsense on these auto blogs...why ?..take a look >>>> AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense
    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

      I hope your not monetizing your sites with adsense on these auto blogs...why ?..take a look >>>> AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense
      And yet more of the same meme.....yawnnnnnn.

      You can use whatever you want to monetize an autoblog.

      Stick funny pictures of your annoying mother-in-law in the header just for fun.

      Whatever. I get a serious chuckle from people who keep "warning me" about my Adsense account.

      I bet my autoblogs provide a better quality reading and navigating experience than allot of manual blogs. Why? Because the content is all well written and informative, and presented nicely.

      My wife was doing some shopping the other day for some gifts for her sister, and she was 4 paragraphs down an article before she realized that she was on an autoblog I had started a year ago!

      The naysayers here are NOT speaking from any position of authority, and I doubt they even know the first thing about writing PHP, ASP, or manipulating Mysql, or Apache.
  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    My autoblog earns me a few bucks a day in adsense. Not a lot of money, but helps pay for the VPS server fee.
  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    I've sat idly by watching this thread and knew it wouldn’t be too long before the auto haters came around, I hadn’t planned on adding my 2 cents worth but at some point it just gets ridiculous and I have to say something.

    I know there are people on both sides of the autoblogging fence, I for one am for Autoblogging but with a twist…I prefer to build high quality sites that do add value (regardless of what others may say). I add unique content to my sites that ties all of the syndicated content together and giving my own thoughts and impressions about all of it (adding value). I like to call it semi-autoblogging and feel that it is more of a hybrid. Having said that…I feel that is the direction that autoblogging is headed and already know many successful autobloggers who approach it this way.

    Many auto haters will always say that autoblogs are nothing but spam and low quality sites and I’m sorry, I just can’t agree. That may have been the case a few years back when the software was designed to regurgitate nothing but keyword filled content in the hopes of ranking solely on quantity alone….that’s just not the case with todays capabilities.

    As for longevity or possible revenue, once again…if you approach Autoblogging with the idea of wanting to create value added quality sites then IMO the sky is the limit. I won’t go into great detail here (as many of us know there really is no way to prove it) but I do quite well with my autoblogs, I would venture to say much better than many do with totally unique sites and I put in about ½ the work on a small army of them than those with “real”/”unique” sites do with just one or two.

    Update - BTW...Adsesne isn't my main monetization method but I do have it on almost all of my sites and it does provide a nice little chunk of change each month. Am I worried about losing my account...no...because I build quality sites and am not violating their TOS.
    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      I've sat idly by watching this thread and knew it wouldn’t be too long before the auto haters came around, I hadn’t planned on adding my 2 cents worth but at some point it just gets ridiculous and I have to say something.

      I know there are people on both sides of the autoblogging fence, I for one am for Autoblogging but with a twist…I prefer to build high quality sites that do add value (regardless of what others may say). I add unique content to my sites that ties all of the syndicated content together and giving my own thoughts and impressions about all of it (adding value). I like to call it semi-autoblogging and feel that it is more of a hybrid. Having said that…I feel that is the direction that autoblogging is headed and already know many successful autobloggers who approach it this way.

      Many auto haters will always say that autoblogs are nothing but spam and low quality sites and I’m sorry, I just can’t agree. That may have been the case a few years back when the software was designed to regurgitate nothing but keyword filled content in the hopes of ranking solely on quantity alone….that’s just not the case with todays capabilities.

      As for longevity or possible revenue, once again…if you approach Autoblogging with the idea of wanting to create value added quality sites then IMO the sky is the limit. I won’t go into great detail here (as many of us know there really is no way to prove it) but I do quite well with my autoblogs, I would venture to say much better than many do with totally unique sites and I put in about ½ the work on a small army of them than those with “real”/”unique” sites do with just one or two.

      Update - BTW...Adsesne isn't my main monetization method but I do have it on almost all of my sites and it does provide a nice little chunk of change each month. Am I worried about losing my account...no...because I build quality sites and am not violating their TOS.
      Very well said. I always know the inevitable end to these conversations and usually just let them go after a point because I know that since I can't really show what I'm doing, there's no way to make some people understand and they are either going to believe or they are won't. And indeed, creating value and making them unique is what I actually find reward in doing. And as TZ already stated, they afford the opportunity to not be strapped to a laptop. I don't need to be making a grand a month (yet) and prove the value in these. They work and simple multiplication is all it takes to understand the potential and value.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Don't forget there is also other means to automatically acquire content, eg. if your blog is using a blog network where content is published via the wordpress remote publishing protocol.

    This means that whoever is submitting content to those networks is explicitly giving permission that his articles are published.

    The same, by the way, with ezine, articlesbase etc. where re-distribution is actually one MAIN purpose and reason why people put articles on there.

    Some might not know it, but you give EZA etc. your permission that the articles are getting redistributed. (Of course, assuming it stays all kosher with links unaltered).

    Not all is "shoddy" at the first glance, people. Its in the eye of the beholder.

    (I always have to grin a bit since some newbie article marketers use giant sites like EZA etc. and then are ALL UPSET if they see their articles floating around on the web.)
  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
    STOP!! For the last time.. I HAVEN'T ASKED TO SEE ANY MONEY SITES OR ANY SITES YOU ALREADY OWN!

    Sorry for the shouting but it seems that message just isn't getting through.. :confused:
    Can someone just show me a simple example by building one on a domain I supply on hosting that I supply... Strewth.. Why is this so hard?

    Originally Posted by Amys101place View Post

    I belong to a local bloggers club and we meet every couple weeks. In my group, there is one gentleman that does nothing else but auto blog. He has shown me many of his sites and his AdSense income, which is well over $2000 a month. He too is very secretive about showing his sites and won't typically even show others in the group. Although I thought it odd at first, I have come to completely understand. I'm kind of shocked by the pressure here to show them. I personally wouldn't either.

    So you'll have to add me to the list of believers. :-)
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

      Can someone just show me a simple example by building one on a domain I supply on hosting that I supply... Strewth.. Why is this so hard?
      Steve they are claiming that its a garish request :rolleyesn your part as if you are after their trade secrets. So drop the hosting part. In fact drop it entirely they don't seem to get that its fine for them to not show their sites as long as they don't claim the unseen as evidence.

      Anywa -- - all the hail the king of England.
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Amys101place View Post

    I have come to completely understand. I'm kind of shocked by the pressure here to show them. I personally wouldn't either.
    Theress not a person in this thread that has said that anything can't make you money. People make money with Ebay. Doesn't mean its a good business model for people to follow. Every week we have people who come through claiming they do this or that. three weeks later they have a WSO and very few people can repeat their alleged success. its the nature of the IM beast.

    I am all for not sharing your sites. I don't BUT I don't use my unshown, unverified no proof presented sites as evidence that what I say works and if I do then there is nothing garish (what a totally ridiculous charge against Steve) about saying - if you enter you many sites as evidence can you actually prove it by showing one"


    Now in this thread the OP isn't even raising whether historically scraped content has made money. This thread specifically raises the question of whether recent changes this year make it better for you to be a scraper. Its a TOTALLY ridiculous claim (Sorry George it just is)

    Google has had two updates within weeks of each other made to filter out duplicate content and low quality content and it has stated that its going to keep at it. telling people that getting into putting more of those up even when google is on a war path against them is NOT a great new opportunity.

    Its totally absurd.
  • Profile picture of the author myagi007
    Hi everyone,

    I'm struggling to actually get any work done, which is no good for my profit lines as I'm obsessed with this topic, however from reading various articles this recent change to how to google rates websites is just the first small change and there are more to come, until there's any real evidence of what they are doing it's going to make life very interesting for us all... I'm just a newbie so am excited to see how it affects my sites. (I'm hoping that Google takes a liking to my site and puts me on No1 spot - just because it can...)
    Thanks
  • Profile picture of the author wolfdogg
    Entertaining thread. I will agree with the majority. Don't list your sites here or build for anybody. It used to be commonly understood that you didn't ask to see others XFactor sites but guys still talked about the profits and people didn't get called liars for not showing anyone. I'm not sure how this is much different. I've seen a thousand autoblog sites and I would think you have to. I know how they work and I know they can work. Why such a strong demand for a demo? I could care less to see their sites. But I am glad they took the time to share their success stories.
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Agreed, the hosting offer is a bad idea, If you don't believe me ask Mark Zuckerbergs college buddies what they think about sharing web site ideas & code.
    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      No it wasn't, I would have gladly handed that hosting to whoever wanted it. I didn't want the "secrets" or any other nonsense like that. I just wanted to see what was supposedly better than sites like the huffington post etc..

      I think all this looking over your shoulder, cloak and dagger stuff has affected rational thought.. Its a shame really.

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Agreed, the hosting offer is a bad idea, If you don't believe me ask Mark Zuckerbergs college buddies what they think about sharing web site ideas & code.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    whether recent changes this year make it better for you to be a scraper. Its a TOTALLY ridiculous claim (Sorry George it just is)
    Sorry i fail to see the ridiculousness in this. Although i see many wrong assumptions in the thread like "content must be shoddy" etc..etc... and then someone who is VERY eager to see an autoblog since he obviously never saw one?

    I said somewhere "autoblogs are so 'two years ago'"...heck you can get really good looking ones on fiverr for $5, yes i am serious. So why should someone give out their URL?

    And you seriously think that the assumption that a scraper site might be doing well AT THE MOMENT is far fetched, seeing that the sources of the article(s) all get penalized and there is no indication AT ALL that autoblogs and scrapers got hit in the slightest.

    Sorry..regardless whether this is a hypothetical thought or based on SOME observations by autoblog owners, i dont see anything ridiculous with my assumption or statement.
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


      And you seriously think that the assumption that a scraper site might be doing well AT THE MOMENT is far fetched,.
      Don't try and twist my words George. I point blank said that it made no sense based on the fact that google was still targeting duplicate content sites and in reference to the opportunity going forward. I even said f you own an autoblog now fine but not for people to get into scraped content that were not already in.

      Claiming that theres some new opportunity out there for people to get in on by creating ton loads of duplicate content is again just plain silly. Why would someone go into a strategy going forward that Google has taken two broad shots at in the last few weeks and is still going after?

      the only people now saying "Wow I think its a great time to start building sites with ton loads of duplicate content" are those that have no choice because they are heavily invested already and those looking to sell products or services.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I've never met anyone that was making money online that gave a crap what Google thinks.
    AHAHAHAHA...."giving crap about what google thinks" is the base for SEO. All we do is to "please" google and find ways how to "please" them and to get rankings

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