Interesting side-effect after last Google algo change (good times for scrapers! Yes, seriously!)

by GeorgR. 156 replies
Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

Proof:

Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

HILARIOUS!
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  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

    The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

    While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

    Proof:

    Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

    So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

    HILARIOUS!
    That's what we are seeing George, and this morning our autoblogs are having very high Monday stats for unique visitors. Encouraging, but I think that autoblogs that don't do enough phrase rewriting are going to get hurt bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

      That's what we are seeing George, and this morning our autoblogs are having very high Monday stats for unique visitors. Encouraging, but I think that autoblogs that don't do enough phrase rewriting are going to get hurt bad.
      Not true here. I do 0 phrase rewriting.. exact copy... and I've been boosted significantly.
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      • Profile picture of the author TZ
        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

        Not true here. I do 0 phrase rewriting.. exact copy... and I've been boosted significantly.
        WOW! Really! Well that is a VERY interesting comment friend.

        I think I am going to launch two more autoblogs today and do NO REWRITING to test this out. I coded a Wordpress Plugin to re-write all of the content, and it takes a little time to R&R a niche out properly.

        I've recently been using subdomains so that I can save on domain names, so I will bang these suckers out real quick.

        Thanks for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Interesting theories. Of course if correct, this would mean that Googless attempts even determine what is duplicate content is still lacking in some form or fashion...???
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      Interesting theories. Of course if correct, this would mean that Googless attempts even determine what is duplicate content is still lacking in some form or fashion...???
      The thing about what I do is this... I look to scrape sites that have a lot of pages, but aren't hugely known (staying away from amazon, craigslist, ebay, etc...) and those that I know everyone and their brother is scraping. (Seriously, there are hundreds of thousands of people scraping these sites!) By doing this.. I have ... let's say.. 10,000 unique long tail keywords that I share only with the site I'm scraping from. So now.. "duplicate content" means nothing (though many will argue it means nothing anyway) because... if someone punches in my long tail keyword and it brings up only 2 results.. me and the site I'm scraping, I'm going to get some visitors to my site and it's just as simple as that.

      To take this even further, my best site scrapes an overseas website and every time I test for keywords, my site beats theirs out and I get first. I don't know if this is because Google prefers US sites?? Regardless, I think most Googlers will not choose an overseas domain as their first choice so I'd probably win that war anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

        The thing about what I do is this... I look to scrape sites that have a lot of pages, but aren't hugely known (staying away from amazon, craigslist, ebay, etc...) and those that I know everyone and their brother is scraping. (Seriously, there are hundreds of thousands of people scraping these sites!) By doing this.. I have ... let's say.. 10,000 unique long tail keywords that I share only with the site I'm scraping from. So now.. "duplicate content" means nothing (though many will argue it means nothing anyway) because... if someone punches in my long tail keyword and it brings up only 2 results.. me and the site I'm scraping, I'm going to get some visitors to my site and it's just as simple as that.

        To take this even further, my best site scrapes an overseas website and every time I test for keywords, my site beats theirs out and I get first. I don't know if this is because Google prefers US sites?? Regardless, I think most Googlers will not choose an overseas domain as their first choice so I'd probably win that war anyway.

        Really? Is this what the internet has come down to? People copying others peoples content, repackaging it, and putting it out as their own, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. How lame is that???
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
          It isn't so much the repackaging of content that grinds my gears with autoblogs. In fact, pulling in datafeeds of products, price comparisons etc.. are offering something of value. What gets me is that is all they do..

          Lets take the camera example from a previous post, what are potential buyers looking for? They are looking for examples of pictures taken with that camera. They are looking for HONEST reviews from users of that camera. They are looking for price comparisons. The are looking for an honest unique editorial review from the website owner. They are looking for comparisons with other cameras, videos of the camera in action, a forum where they can discuss it with other potential buyers plus any other imaginative stuff..

          Compare this with the autosplog approach of just pulling in data that may or may have something to do with the keyword that someone is searching with. There is just no value to the visitor and it just junks up the web. Add to this, more importantly.. Who is more likely to get the affiliate commission? The guy who offers value to the potential buyer of the camera or the guy who threw up the splog?

          Autobloggers should wake up and realise that the money they are perhaps earning is nothing compared to what they can earn with some imagination, energy and human input.

          Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

          Really? Is this what the internet has come down to? People copying others peoples content, repackaging it, and putting it out as their own, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. How lame is that???
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          • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
            Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

            It isn't so much the repackaging of content that grinds my gears with autoblogs. In fact, pulling in datafeeds of products, price comparisons etc.. are offering something of value. What gets me is that is all they do..
            I think we're getting closer to the truth now.
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            • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
              The truth is.. Do you know what content is on every page you create? What value are you giving people looking to buy cameras apart from some probably irrelevant scraped stuff for some extremely long tail keyword?

              Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

              I think we're getting closer to the truth now.
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              • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                The truth is.. Do you know what content is on every page you create? What value are you giving people looking to buy cameras apart from some probably irrelevant scraped stuff for some extremely long tail keyword?

                You're making this discussion difficult by not having a firm grasp on your position. You've just stated right before this "In fact, pulling in datafeeds of products, price comparisons etc.. are offering something of value."

                Make up your mind, Steve. I enjoy a good debate but come on man.
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                • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                  Okay, maybe I am not making myself clear.. Chucking a bunch of keywords into your script and pulling in some possibly relevant, probably irrelevant datafeeds and calling that a site is completely different to using datafeeds responsibly.

                  Compare that to researching what your visitor is looking for and then giving it to them as valuable info (including pulling in perhaps some ebay ads or amazon products) but alongside that you provide a video of you using that product. You include some reviews from various users etc etc.. That is the difference.

                  Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                  You're making this discussion difficult by not having a firm grasp on your position. You've just stated right before this "In fact, pulling in datafeeds of products, price comparisons etc.. are offering something of value."

                  Make up your mind, Steve. I enjoy a good debate but come on man.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                    Okay, maybe I am not making myself clear.. Chucking a bunch of keywords into your script and pulling in some possibly relevant, probably irrelevant datafeeds and calling that a site is completely different to using datafeeds responsibly.

                    Compare that to researching what your visitor is looking for and then giving it to them as valuable info (including pulling in perhaps some ebay ads or amazon products) but alongside that you provide a video of you using that product. You include some reviews from various users etc etc.. That is the difference.
                    Ok. Now you have proved you need to do a little more research Steve, and I say this with respect.

                    No autoblogging system worth it's salt EVER "chucks keywords in and scraps content", and no autoblogger who knows what he is doing ever pulls content randomly. We laser target our feeds to the hair point, and we use scripts to make sure the content is pulled cleanly, efficiently, and pretty.

                    You are talking about autoblog systems of yester-year, that are TOTAL CRAP, and then I agree with you big time. Those half banked scripts were written by coding monkeys and they do create total trash.

                    You can't get around the fact there are hundreds of HIGH ranked domains across the Internet that are simply good aggregators and content management systems that run efficiently.

                    When we use autoblogs we are simply setting up the same thing. The difference is we are not The Huff Po.
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              • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                The truth is.. Do you know what content is on every page you create? What value are you giving people looking to buy cameras apart from some probably irrelevant scraped stuff for some extremely long tail keyword?

                You are such a proponet on original and unique content "which is good" but the newbies who are paying you $17 monthly for your Adsense 101 Bootcamp thinking they are getting real value are getting your site-in-a-box ready made for adsense filled with PLR. So you are setting these people up with sites with content that is not original and charging them for it.

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        • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
          Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

          Really? Is this what the internet has come down to? People copying others peoples content, repackaging it, and putting it out as their own, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. How lame is that???
          This is always the ultimate (and unfortunate) ending to this conversation anywhere it seems to take place online. Somehow creating 1000 micro-niche websites and spending a couple hours a day creating article content and backlinking for complete crap sites that provide no value is acceptable. But auto blogging! "Hush your mouth! How dare you!"

          It always just makes me smile. I have a question for you, aygabtu. What if your best friend created the first auto blogging plugin and guaranteed that if you put up 100 websites and never touched them again, you'd make at least $2000 a month? I know that's an extreme example but would you? Maybe you wouldn't... and that's cool. It's your choice. Maybe you're that morally upstanding and I commend you if so.
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          • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
            Its not about morals.. Its just that your $2000 a month is going to be under threat the moment you might get there. $2000 a month from creating something of value to your visitors is going to stick and then you just grow from there.

            Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

            This is always the ultimate (and unfortunate) ending to this conversation anywhere it seems to take place online. Somehow creating 1000 micro-niche websites and spending a couple hours a day creating article content and backlinking for complete crap sites that provide no value is acceptable. But auto blogging! "Hush your mouth! How dare you!"

            It always just makes me smile. I have a question for you, aygabtu. What if your best friend created the first auto blogging plugin and guaranteed that if you put up 100 websites and never touched them again, you'd make at least $2000 a month? I know that's an extreme example but would you? Maybe you wouldn't... and that's cool. It's your choice. Maybe you're that morally upstanding and I commend you if so.
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            • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              Its not about morals.. Its just that your $2000 a month is going to be under threat the moment you might get there. $2000 a month from creating something of value to your visitors is going to stick and then you just grow from there.
              So your issue with the whole thing is that I would simply be content making $2000 a month forever without having to do anything else? It's wrong because I wouldn't be consumed with making more money? I'm confused since you've already stated that sites could indeed provide value.
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              • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                No that is not what I am saying.. I am saying that autobloggers just seem content to bottom feed when with some imagination and effort they can create something their visitors actually like and as a result will stick and earn a lot more income. Surely you have to agree, that is the better approach.

                Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                So your issue with the whole thing is that I would simply be content making $2000 a month forever without having to do anything else? It's wrong because I wouldn't be consumed with making more money? I'm confused since you've already stated that sites could indeed provide value.
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                • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                  Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                  No that is not what I am saying.. I am saying that autobloggers just seem content to bottom feed when with some imagination and effort they can create something their visitors actually like and as a result will stick and earn a lot more income. Surely you have to agree, that is the better approach.
                  I think that bottom feeding is just a perception that you created about this for yourself. I don't consider it bottom feeding. That's not my perception.

                  I do understand your hesitation to give a nod of approval based on most auto blogs I've seen. I program... I have forever.. and I'm good at it. When I look at what I've created, I am proud. I worked so hard and I kept adding features and unique ideas. It was a thrill to see it coming to fruition. I'm still adding today with every new idea. Part of me wants to just send you a url and then I kind of feel that you would say "oh.. okay. I get it. That's different." (Maybe not though) Only because I don't just slop content all over a page. I personally feel that the php script I've created looks better than any auto blog I've ever seen online. I've even made it where the columns are able to be sorted by date, location or price. It's sleek and pretty! But I think that handing out urls is just bad business (as many will agree).

                  And contrary to what someone else said earlier, I don't sell an auto blogging solution. I have a unique script that I made and only I own and I probably won't ever sell it. I prefer the footprint to never be big. I initially just chimed in to encourage others to consider a pretty amazingly easy way to make money.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                    I think that bottom feeding is just a perception that you created about this for yourself. I don't consider it bottom feeding. That's not my perception.

                    I do understand your hesitation to give a nod of approval based on most auto blogs I've seen. I program... I have forever.. and I'm good at it. When I look at what I've created, I am proud. I worked so hard and I kept adding features and unique ideas. It was a thrill to see it coming to fruition. I'm still adding today with every new idea. Part of me wants to just send you a url and then I kind of feel that you would say "oh.. okay. I get it. That's different." (Maybe not though) Only because I don't just slop content all over a page. I personally feel that the php script I've created looks better than any auto blog I've ever seen online. I've even made it where the columns are able to be sorted by date, location or price. It's sleek and pretty! But I think that handing out urls is just bad business (as many will agree).

                    And contrary to what someone else said earlier, I don't sell an auto blogging solution. I have a unique script that I made and only I own and I probably won't ever sell it. I prefer the footprint to never be big. I initially just chimed in to encourage others to consider a pretty amazingly easy way to make money.
                    Cha-Ching

                    Don't be spitting your URLs out on this forum Josh. Never again!

                    Unless it's a domain you don't care about that much.
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                    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                      Cha-Ching

                      Don't be spitting your URLs out on this forum Josh. Never again!

                      Unless it's a domain you don't care about that much.
                      LOL... you do realize I said that I wouldn't do this, right?! Doing that on this forum in particular just wouldn't be a smart business decision.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TZ
                        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                        LOL... you do realize I said that I wouldn't do this, right?! Doing that on this forum in particular just wouldn't be a smart business decision.
                        Yeah. I get that. Just sounded like you were thinking about it. Are yours is ASP or PHP?
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                        • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                          Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                          Yeah. I get that. Just sounded like you were thinking about it. Are yours is ASP or PHP?
                          All php/mysql/javascript. I do asp at work for a lot of windows servers that we run sql2008 on but for the web, php just makes life easier.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                      Absolutely don't reveal your money sites but do you have an example site to showcase TZ?

                      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                      Cha-Ching

                      Don't be spitting your URLs out on this forum Josh. Never again!

                      Unless it's a domain you don't care about that much.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                    I have an open mind and both yourself TZ keep saying that your autoblogs are different.. Does either of you have an example to show. Not a money site or anything, I wouldn't ask for that but some example site that you can showcase your talents.

                    Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                    I think that bottom feeding is just a perception that you created about this for yourself. I don't consider it bottom feeding. That's not my perception.

                    I do understand your hesitation to give a nod of approval based on most auto blogs I've seen. I program... I have forever.. and I'm good at it. When I look at what I've created, I am proud. I worked so hard and I kept adding features and unique ideas. It was a thrill to see it coming to fruition. I'm still adding today with every new idea. Part of me wants to just send you a url and then I kind of feel that you would say "oh.. okay. I get it. That's different." (Maybe not though) Only because I don't just slop content all over a page. I personally feel that the php script I've created looks better than any auto blog I've ever seen online. I've even made it where the columns are able to be sorted by date, location or price. It's sleek and pretty! But I think that handing out urls is just bad business (as many will agree).

                    And contrary to what someone else said earlier, I don't sell an auto blogging solution. I have a unique script that I made and only I own and I probably won't ever sell it. I prefer the footprint to never be big. I initially just chimed in to encourage others to consider a pretty amazingly easy way to make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    My autoblog has stayed steady or increased slightly. My message forum has increased. My high-quality blog with the best content has took a hit BIG TIME. I've been promoting my blog via, forum posting, article marketing, link directories, profile links, blog commenting, web2.0, bookmarking... you name it, I've done it. And I've lost 25-30%.

    My forum and autoblog (which I never promoted) are doing great. I don't understand this. I am wondering if Google is penalizing low quality backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author S.
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      My autoblog has stayed steady or increased slightly. My message forum has increased. My high-quality blog with the best content has took a hit BIG TIME. I've been promoting my blog via, forum posting, article marketing, link directories, profile links, blog commenting, web2.0, bookmarking... you name it, I've done it. And I've lost 25-30%.

      My forum and autoblog (which I never promoted) are doing great. I don't understand this. I am wondering if Google is penalizing low quality backlinks.
      That's the problem, you did unnatural linking. That's not what Google wants... they want real good content.
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by S. View Post

        That's the problem, you did unnatural linking. That's not what Google wants... they want real good content.
        So Googles' update also included an 'unnatural' linking slap?

        Can anyone confirm this? I read they were shutting down content farms, nothing was mentioned to unnatural linking.

        If this is true, I'm going to start building unnatural links to my competitors websites this week.

        It'd be a lot easier to get my competitors slapped.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
          Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

          So Googles' update also included an 'unnatural' linking slap?

          Can anyone confirm this? I read they were shutting down content farms, nothing was mentioned to unnatural linking.
          Unfortunately Google did not tackle low quality links. Hopefully this is next on their agenda.

          This is why autoblogs and scrapers are doing well right now. The update is complex, but form I can gather here's a simple low down...

          1. The put all pages on domains on a level playing field. So it doesn't matter if your page is on an awesome massive site like eZinearticles, that one page will gave to stand on its own merits.

          2. Sites with lots of pages that have no backlinks from unique content suffer massively (e.g eZinearticles)

          3. Google removes a lot of the junk from content farms, but many autoblogs are now on a level playing field to compete with the original source. A few greyhat links (using link wheels and spun content for example) and the autoblogs now outrank the original source and pick up longtail traffic.

          4. Sites with original content that has backlinks see their rankings jump up.

          [Disclaimer: it is nowhere near as simple as the above from what I can see, but essentially that is the effect - just lots more variables at play which would take way too long to explain]

          So this is good news for autoblogs for the time being, but I don't expect it to last. Autobloggers can enjoy it while it lasts.
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          • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
            Originally Posted by Chris Munch View Post

            Unfortunately Google did not tackle low quality links. Hopefully this is next on their agenda.

            This is why autoblogs and scrapers are doing well right now. The update is complex, but form I can gather here's a simple low down...

            1. The put all pages on domains on a level playing field. So it doesn't matter if your page is on an awesome massive site like eZinearticles, that one page will gave to stand on its own merits.

            2. Sites with lots of pages that have no backlinks from unique content suffer massively (e.g eZinearticles)

            3. Google removes a lot of the junk from content farms, but many autoblogs are now on a level playing field to compete with the original source. A few greyhat links (using link wheels and spun content for example) and the autoblogs now outrank the original source and pick up longtail traffic.

            4. Sites with original content that has backlinks see their rankings jump up.

            [Disclaimer: it is nowhere near as simple as the above from what I can see, but essentially that is the effect - just lots more variables at play which would take way too long to explain]

            So this is good news for autoblogs for the time being, but I don't expect it to last. Autobloggers can enjoy it while it lasts.
            Thanks, but unfortunately, #5 is the complete opposite for me. I'll gladly send you a PM with the keyword and page i'm trying to rank for along with the competitor that is at the top of Google with very few backlinks.

            The competitors backlinks come from yahoo answers, askville.amazon, and a few low quality scraper sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you're using wp-robot on all of them? Sorry too lazy to look at your site now. But indeed, this is interesting and opens up A LOT of new possiblities...

    Rewriting is not even an issue..there are plenty of ways to do this.

    And yes...look at it that way:

    Article site got a penalty, sinks down -25 in rankings. Does that mean i can take a 1:1 dupe and will now outrank the source which Google conveniently removed from the rankings?

    If so...Google has some home work to do..they basically extinguished the fire with gasoline..so to speak
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      you're using wp-robot on all of them? Sorry too lazy to look at your site now. But indeed, this is interesting and opens up A LOT of new possiblities...
      Like what? building an empire based on the content Google just slapped? Just waiting for this or the next algo change to take effect on you?

      A) Algos take weeks to know what is going on. As the bots crawl through sites thats when they make the most changes. So you can simply be looking at the reality that your pages haven't been crawled enough yet so the algo hasn't taken affect.

      B) Why would you take all that time to work new opportunities on an oversight by google when you KNOW they are not done and are on the prowl. thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.

      ..........until the day the same people knock at your door.

      Now if you already have sites that have all that junk content then fine. Be happy you were not affected . but anyone looking at this saying hey theres some new opportunities I can start up with this content google just slapped and I'm going to spend my time and money working it......

      Sorry but you are nuts.
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      • Profile picture of the author TZ
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Like what? building an empire based on the content Google just slapped? Just waiting for this or the next algo change to take effect on you?

        A) Algos take weeks to know what is going on. As the bots crawl through sites thats when they make the most changes. So you can simply be looking at the reality that your pages haven't been crawled enough yet so the algo hasn't taken affect.

        B) Why would you take all that time to work new opportunities on an oversight by google when you KNOW they are not done and are on the prowl. thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.

        ..........until the day the same people knock at your door.

        Now if you already have sites that have all that junk content then fine. Be happy you were not affected . but anyone looking at this saying hey theres some new opportunities I can start up with this content google just slapped and I'm going to spend my time and money working it......

        Sorry but you are nuts.
        What makes anyone on this forum think they know what "junk content" looks like?

        I'll enjoy my rubber room
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
          Seriously Terry, I think you are confusing junk content with junk sites. You can steal or scrape content (as autobloggers like to call it) from the best resources around but that doesn't make your site valuable to the visitor.

          The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

          The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.



          Originally Posted by TZ View Post

          What makes anyone on this forum think they know what "junk content" looks like?

          I'll enjoy my rubber room
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          • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
            Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

            Seriously Terry, I think you are confusing junk content with junk sites. You can steal or scrape content (as autobloggers like to call it) from the best resources around but that doesn't make your site valuable to the visitor.

            The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

            The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.
            I can tell you for a fact that nothing is more enjoyable than putting up a site... and never touching it again and profiting from it... and watching the profits grow as time goes on. If you enjoy article marketing (junk content), social networking and backlinking (which in itself is junking up the web when done solely for the purpose of promoting your own site), then keep it up.. and enjoy that. We do that 0 hours a week. I will bet any amount of money that I'll be making at least $1000 a month in AdSense in less than a year. For me.. that's much more rewarding than constant keyword researching, building micro-niche sites and adding content or building a blog just to try and get people to subscribe and listen to me. But hey.. I'm not all that social of a person so if you find that hugely more rewarding, keep it up.
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            • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
              At least you are being honest and not pretending that what you are doing isn't providing anything other than junk. Also, I have been in Internet marketing getting on for 10 years now and have tried just about every type of site building and promotion etc.. from black to yellow to white hat, I know the score.

              I know it is possible to make money from splogs but it is a risk to your accounts, you have to keep moving and watching over your shoulder and it isn't providing anything of value. It is purely about making as much money as you can, while you can.. Agreed?

              Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

              I can tell you for a fact that nothing is more enjoyable than putting up a site... and never touching it again and profiting from it... and watching the profits grow as time goes on. If you enjoy article marketing (junk content), social networking and backlinking (which in itself is junking up the web when done solely for the purpose of promoting your own site), then keep it up.. and enjoy that. We do that 0 hours a week. I will bet any amount of money that I'll be making at least $1000 a month in AdSense in less than a year. For me.. that's much more rewarding than constant keyword researching, building micro-niche sites and adding content or building a blog just to try and get people to subscribe and listen to me. But hey.. I'm not all that social of a person so if you find that hugely more rewarding, keep it up.
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              • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                At least you are being honest and not pretending that what you are doing isn't providing anything other than junk. Also, I have been in Internet marketing getting on for 10 years now and have tried just about every type of site building and promotion etc.. from black to yellow to white hat, I know the score.

                I know it is possible to make money from splogs but it is a risk to your accounts, you have to keep moving and watching over your shoulder and it isn't providing anything of value. It is purely about making as much money as you can, while you can.. Agreed?
                First off... splogs are in no way a risk to your account. Play by the rules and Google actually ranks them well.

                Many argue that splogs provide value because they give a home front to a particular niche. I can't say there isn't some truth to this. For example, if I am selling cameras and I pull data from ebay, amazon and 10 other sites to one main site, I have created one place that many may actually prefer to look first. Who's to say? If 5000 people come to this new site and 5 of them bookmark it because maybe they're photographers or they resell cameras... haven't I just provided value to them? Or is my number not high enough? Does it require that 300 people like my site for it to be valuable?

                That's why auto bloggers argue it. Why wouldn't that be of value? If I'm looking for a particular model camera and find a site that will let me search all 10 sites at once and sort by price (as my sites do), I just don't think it can even be argued it was junk.

                Having said that.. for me, it's all about making as much money as I can while I can... while spending minimal time online.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

              I can tell you for a fact that nothing is more enjoyable than putting up a site... and never touching it again and profiting from it... and watching the profits grow as time goes on. If you enjoy article marketing (junk content), social networking and backlinking (which in itself is junking up the web when done solely for the purpose of promoting your own site), then keep it up.. and enjoy that. We do that 0 hours a week. I will bet any amount of money that I'll be making at least $1000 a month in AdSense in less than a year. .
              Oh my so we are on here touting how great autoblogs are and we aren't in fact making any real money from them yet. And you call what rewarding some pennies?

              Sorry guys you can't state anything as fact. If you aren't cracking any real money yet and/or your signature touts auto blogs I think its pretty easy to discount what you are saying. We all know full well that if tomorrow your sites tank and you are selling autoblog solutions you are not going to come in this thread with the whole truth and nothing but.
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              • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Oh my so we are on here touting how great autoblogs are and we aren't in fact making any real money from them yet. And you call what rewarding some pennies?

                Sorry guys you can't state anything as fact. If you aren't cracking any real money yet and/or your signature touts auto blogs I think its pretty easy to discount what you are saying. We all know full well that if tomorrow your sites tank and you are selling autoblog solutions you are not going to come in this thread with the whole truth and nothing but.
                I actually love it when people treat this market with this attitude. I'll gladly eat all the pie if you want to pass on your piece.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                  I actually love it when people treat this market with this attitude. I'll gladly eat all the pie if you want to pass on your piece.
                  That come back only works when you haven't already admitted that you aren't even sniffing a thousand a month. Once you have its kind of empty.
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                  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    That come back only works when you haven't already admitted that you aren't even sniffing a thousand a month. Once you have its kind of empty.
                    lol. okay mike. whatever you say, bud.
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          • Profile picture of the author TZ
            Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

            Seriously Terry, I think you are confusing junk content with junk sites. You can steal or scrape content (as autobloggers like to call it) from the best resources around but that doesn't make your site valuable to the visitor.

            The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

            The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.
            Hi Steve,

            You are confusing the discussion here I think. OF COURSE a pure white hat blog with fantastic content is a better way to go, but try doing that on 12 domains or more, by yourself.

            I started coding and creating a better autoblog because I want to make more money without having to write all the content myself. Simple and honest.

            You are very aggressive in your attack on autoblogs, and perhaps I know why. Perhaps it's because you make money promoting a different kind of product. That is cool and fine too, or maybe you just "have something against" aggregation of content.

            I suppose you think major sites like, The Huffington Post, The Drudge Report, etc. are total crap as well?? Am I wrong? ALL my autoblogs look better and navigate better than the Drudge report.

            And by the looks of what is happening with the new Google update, our autoblogs will be earning over $2500 in March, so don't claim autoblogging can't pay.

            You come across quite sure of yourself against autoblogs, but claiming you KNOW for a fact they make peanuts, when you apparently HAVE NOT coded your own scripts, and truly managed autoblogs, is flawed.

            You want proof of my earnings.....I have screen shots all over the place on my IM blog.

            And this hard line scream from everyone about NOT using Adsense on an autoblog - fine....don't. Use Chitika or don't - use aff links. Whatever. Monetization is up to each individual.

            In the end my friend, we all have choices to make and we will earn or not earn based on those choices.
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            • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
              First of, why would you want to do that on 12 domains when you can concentrate on just a few great sites and grow them exponentially without fear?

              I apologise if I appear aggressive, I don't mean to but there are a lot of new warriors here who have to make decisions on what path to take. Every day, there are posts on here about people losing their Adsense accounts because they have broken the TOS. I want to show these people that there is a better way that once it is up and running and growing can be as automatic as an autoblog and more lucrative in the long term, in fact it can potentially be income for life. I prefer to say I am passionate about this rather than aggressive.

              I wouldn't call those examples of sites crap and if yours are better then I would be really interested in seeing an example. I am not asking you to reveal your money sites but you must have an example site that you can show. I assume zullit.com wasn't what you are talking about. I am not saying it is bad or anything but I wouldn't compare it with the huffington post or the other examples.

              I didn't claim autoblogs don't earn.. Maybe you should read what I said again.

              Your earnings are your business but I bet you could earn more if you matched your coding skills with some valuable, well researched, visitor oriented content. If you don't want to do it yourself, then you should discover the world of opportunities that investing your income in outsourcing can do to your bottom line. Computers and scripts are great but people still do a much better job and will do for a long time yet.

              Originally Posted by TZ View Post

              Hi Steve,

              You are confusing the discussion here I think. OF COURSE a pure white hat blog with fantastic content is a better way to go, but try doing that on 12 domains or more, by yourself.

              I started coding and creating a better autoblog because I want to make more money without having to write all the content myself. Simple and honest.

              You are very aggressive in your attack on autoblogs, and perhaps I know why. Perhaps it's because you make money promoting a different kind of product. That is cool and fine too, or maybe you just "have something against" aggregation of content.

              I suppose you think major sites like, The Huffington Post, The Drudge Report, etc. are total crap as well?? Am I wrong? ALL my autoblogs look better and navigate better than the Drudge report.

              And by the looks of what is happening with the new Google update, our autoblogs will be earning over $2500 in March, so don't claim autoblogging can't pay.

              You come across quite sure of yourself against autoblogs, but claiming you KNOW for a fact they make peanuts, when you apparently HAVE NOT coded your own scripts, and truly managed autoblogs, is flawed.

              You want proof of my earnings.....I have screen shots all over the place on my IM blog.

              And this hard line scream from everyone about NOT using Adsense on an autoblog - fine....don't. Use Chitika or don't - use aff links. Whatever. Monetization is up to each individual.

              In the end my friend, we all have choices to make and we will earn or not earn based on those choices.
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              • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post


                Your earnings are your business but I bet you could earn more if you matched your coding skills with some valuable, well researched, visitor oriented content. If you don't want to do it yourself, then you should discover the world of opportunities that investing your income in outsourcing can do to your bottom line. Computers and scripts are great but people still do a much better job and will do for a long time yet.
                You're probably right on with this, Steve! Every time I ever thought about creating a site with content and interacting.. it just felt so .... "not me!" I don't even like to smile for a photo. Outsourcing would probably be a good solution.
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                • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                  It can be and it can also be a road full of pitfalls for the unwary. You have to kiss a few frogs to find some decent freelancers but once you find them they are worth their weight in gold.

                  Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                  You're probably right on with this, Steve! Every time I ever thought about creating a site with content and interacting.. it just felt so .... "not me!" I don't even like to smile for a photo. Outsourcing would probably be a good solution.
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              • Profile picture of the author TZ
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                First of, why would you want to do that on 12 domains when you can concentrate on just a few great sites and grow them exponentially without fear?

                I apologise if I appear aggressive, I don't mean to but there are a lot of new warriors here who have to make decisions on what path to take. Every day, there are posts on here about people losing their Adsense accounts because they have broken the TOS. I want to show these people that there is a better way that once it is up and running and growing can be as automatic as an autoblog and more lucrative in the long term, in fact it can potentially be income for life. I prefer to say I am passionate about this rather than aggressive.

                I wouldn't call those examples of sites crap and if yours are better then I would be really interested in seeing an example. I am not asking you to reveal your money sites but you must have an example site that you can show. I assume zullit.com wasn't what you are talking about. I am not saying it is bad or anything but I wouldn't compare it with the huffington post or the other examples.

                I didn't claim autoblogs don't earn.. Maybe you should read what I said again.

                Your earnings are your business but I bet you could earn more if you matched your coding skills with some valuable, well researched, visitor oriented content. If you don't want to do it yourself, then you should discover the world of opportunities that investing your income in outsourcing can do to your bottom line. Computers and scripts are great but people still do a much better job and will do for a long time yet.
                Yeah Steve. I get it, and I hear you loud and clear.

                I'll make this clear to all my newbie friends out there.

                Steve is 100% right when he says that passionately creating a massive domain filled with HIGH quality content is by far THE GOLD of the Internet, and if you have a strong command of the English language, and you enjoy typing, and creating content, do that first. And yes, Steve's product is worthy of the purchase.

                I'll make this clear to all my intermediate level friends out there.

                I am in this game to make money, and make as much money as humanly possible without having an office to drive to, employees to hire and pamper, business cards to print, or shareholders to suck up to. I am in this game to win, and I will write code that create domains that create as much profit as possible, without having to be strapped to a laptop for the rest of my life.

                Funny if anyone thinks Zulit.com is my prize cherry. It's a cluster and sh*t show. ALL my autoblogs look better than that abortion.

                I re-read your comment Steve. I stand corrected. You did not say that autoblogs don't earn. Probably read someone else's comment in the thread.

                Wow guys - are we ever PUMPING out the content for the WF today!!!
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by TZ View Post


              I started coding and creating a better autoblog because I want to make more money without having to write all the content myself. Simple and honest.

              You are very aggressive in your attack on autoblogs, and perhaps I know why. Perhaps it's because you make money promoting a different kind of product. That is cool and fine too, or maybe you just "have something against" aggregation of content.
              LOL! Oh come on you can't seriously call Steve out on selling another product as the reason for his taking his position while you continue to push your "better autoblog" in the very paragraph before that.



              And by the looks of what is happening with the new Google update, our autoblogs will be earning over $2500 in March, so don't claim autoblogging can't pay.
              No one has but putting up numbers no one can verify isn't going to cut it for those who have been around the block here.

              , when you apparently HAVE NOT coded your own scripts, and truly managed autoblogs, is flawed.
              How many times are you going to allude to your product in your discussions? People do not have to program autoblog scripts to know the content that gets put out on them or comment on them and your claim that none of us are programmers is just flat out wrong.
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              • Profile picture of the author TZ
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                LOL! Oh come on you can't seriously call Steve out on selling another product as the reason for his taking his position while you continue to push your "better autoblog" in the very paragraph before that.



                No one has but putting up numbers no one can verify isn't going to cut it for those who have been around the block here.



                How many times are you going to allude to your product in your discussions? People do not have to program autoblog scripts to know the content that gets put out on them or comment on them and your claim that none of us are programmers is just flat out wrong.
                Wow Mikey. You're turning red.

                Where to start. Yawnnn. I was not slagging my friend for promoting his product, as you pointed out - so do I. Yeah, I do think my autoblog is system is better than most, and I know it's way better compared to any autoblog system or formula under $300 bucks. Bang for the buck, I stand firmly behind the value I provide.

                Not sure what you meant in the second comment - sorry.

                So you think I claimed NO-ONE is a programmer here!!!!!! That would be the stupidest assumption possible.

                I can usually recognize when someone doesn't fully understand how a good aggregation (cluster of scripts) works, and I don't like it when people slag methods for getting traffic when they have not actually tried it themselves.

                If I EVER slag a method or system, it's because I have tried it already for myself, and have an opinion.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                  Wow Mikey. You're turning red.
                  I am? Granted I've smiled to myself a couple times but it gets much more to make me laugh until I turn red.

                  [BEGIN AD]Yeah, I do think my autoblog is system is better than most, and I know it's way better compared to any autoblog system or formula under $300 bucks. Bang for the buck, I stand firmly behind the value I provide [/END AD]
                  .

                  So the answer was I'll advertise a couple more times?

                  So you think I claimed NO-ONE is a programmer here!!!!!! That would be the stupidest assumption possible.
                  agreed so from page 1 -

                  Originally Posted by TZ;

                  The naysayers here are NOT speaking from any position of authority, and I doubt they even know the first thing about writing PHP, ASP, or manipulating Mysql, or Apache.
                  So by your own words not an intelligent assumption. I don't have time to play around with autoblog scripts mind you . I'm in the middle of helping develop a full content syndication site and service that has alot more PHP going on (SQL server though so it can integrate a little more elegantly with other .net systems running with it). So yes I do know the first thing :rolleyes:
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    I am? Granted I've smiled to myself a couple times but it gets much more to make me laugh until I turn red.

                    .

                    So the answer was I'll advertise a couple more times?

                    agreed so from page 1 -



                    So by your own words not an intelligent assumption. I don't have time to play around with autoblog scripts mind you . I'm in the middle of helping develop a full content syndication site and service that has alot more PHP going on (SQL server though so it can integrate a little more elegantly with other .net systems running with it). So yes I do know the first thing :rolleyes:
                    It really bends you up seeing someone who actually mentions their product and is happy with their product - I mean after all, as you mentioned already, this IS an IM forum.

                    Wow. No-one markets their products here right Mike?

                    Are you really as pompous as you sound, or are you just off the meds today?
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    I'm in the middle of helping develop a full content syndication site and service that has alot more PHP going on (SQL server though so it can integrate a little more elegantly with other .net systems running with it). So yes I do know the first thing :rolleyes:
                    Don't forget about that other project you are working too....you know, the one where you've pretty much cured cancer.
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  • Profile picture of the author mandark
    I wouldn't count on this trend sticking around.. in my opinion it is fairly likely that since Google has both their content duplication algorithm and their new content farm algorithm, that they will soon combine them so that the penalty for content farms propogates to the users of this content.
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      Originally Posted by mandark View Post

      I wouldn't count on this trend sticking around.. in my opinion it is fairly likely that since Google has both their content duplication algorithm and their new content farm algorithm, that they will soon combine them so that the penalty for content farms propogates to the users of this content.
      I've kind of had that same fear. I'll keep going until it breaks but granted.. wouldn't take much for them to decide to wipe all of these types of sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.
    That how i define a true and successful entrepreneur
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    If "unnatural" linking is so bad...how comes i can examine "mega niches" and see sites dominating #1 (ok, before the recent change)....very OBVIOUSLY solely based on "unnatural linking".

    Sorry...you dont get a MFA "lose weight" adsense site to #1 using "natural" approaches, no way on earth.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Sorry guys you can't state anything as fact. If you aren't cracking any real money yet and/or your signature touts auto blogs I think its pretty easy to discount what you are saying.
    You will laugh, i totally forgot i am actually offering something autoblog related in my signature - nevertheless, what you are saying there sounds pretty negative and i don't think you have a base to stand on when you say something like that.

    If you see my OP, you can see i merely pointed something out, please dont make it sound like i (or other participators in the thread) state a (biased) opinion solely because they try to sell something related to the subject. Seriously ....

    Also..i think the debate went a wrong turn since the question whether autoblogs are "legit" or a "good way to make money" was never on the table. Everyone can have their own opinion there, i personally don't care.
    It's mainly about whether and if the recent changes in google do indeed come with that side-effect, which would be very ironic, in my opinion. My own personal stance in regards to autoblogs in this thread was "neutral", at best. (Regardless of my signature)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      You will laugh, i totally forgot i am actually offering something autoblog related in my signature - nevertheless, what you are saying there sounds pretty negative and i don't think you have a base to stand on when you say something like that.

      Of course I have a base to stand on but heres the kicker. I wasn't talking about you with that line and I didn't even know you had that in your signature. You are a regular here and I rarely look at your sig anymore because I know who you are.

      But lets be real and honest. I have sold things here and do you think I am going to see the dark side of my product and post on it here? So yeah if you are into autoblogging you are going to hang on to every possible positive development. Everyone coming in here with an autobloggin product or service is NOT going to say - wow I took a hit this doesn't work anymore or it won't soon because guess what?

      They'd take another hit to their business. Over half come intothese forums aren't making anywhere near the money they are pretending to make and are making more selling their product. Common IM reality.

      the part that did refer to you was the seeing an opportunity in using content Google already penalized for another site. Doesn't make any sense to me. To use another analogy its like getting cheap paint from your neighbor because the condo association stopped them from painting their house with it and trying to do the same. Sooner or later the chances are rather high their going to get to you too.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Of course I have a base to stand on but heres the kicker. I wasn't talking about you with that line and I didn't even know you had that in your signature. You are a regular here and I rarely look at your sig anymore because I know who you are.

        But lets be real and honest. I have sold things here and do you think I am going to see the dark side of my product and post on it here? So yeah if you are into autoblogging you are going to hang on to every possible positive development. Everyone coming in here with an autobloggin product or service is NOT going to say - wow I took a hit this doesn't work anymore or it won't soon because guess what?

        They'd take another hit to their business. Over half come intothese forums aren't making anywhere near the money they are pretending to make and are making more selling their product. Common IM reality.

        the part that did refer to you was the seeing an opportunity in using content Google already penalized for another site. Doesn't make any sense to me. To use another analogy its like getting cheap paint from your neighbor because the condo association stopped them from painting their house with it and trying to do the same. Sooner or later the chances are rather high their going to get to you too.
        Well i know that it was not primarily targeted at me, but since i started the thread i somehow felt responsible to reply since you implied a bias in the people "pro" autoblogging

        I also got it with your reply when i spoke of an "opportunity", but you must admit that i didn't pull that out of my ***. Until now we did not hear about autoblogs taken a hit, as it looks the opposite is the case. (Whether this is a temporary fluke or not is a total different story).

        Also..you say that Google penalized the content, which is not true (IMO) since Google penalized the article-directories and doesn't really seem to care/evaluate the individual article. The same article which is at position #30 on ezine now COULD be ranking top on your own blog and Google even opened the way up for this because they booted all big article site competition out...

        So...it's legitimate to "think" that this is some sort of opportunity for people running autoblogs, regardless of the morale debate whether its "wrong or right" to do.

        That there are other problems inherited with autoblogs people SHOULD know already...and in SEO many things aren't forever anyway

        It simply should be interesting to "experiment" right now, and yes people need to be aware of the risks and everything..otherwise please dont.

        Edit: And of course its not only an opportunity for autoblogs....even more for "real" and quality sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


          Also..you say that Google penalized the content, which is not true (IMO) since Google penalized the article-directories and doesn't really seem to care/evaluate the individual article. The same article which is at position #30 on ezine now COULD be ranking top on your own blog and Google even opened the way up for this because they booted all big article site competition out...
          Not sure what you are talking about George Google both indicated the algo changed to get better content and other sites besides article sites got hit so you are just dead wrong. Now I am sure there was something in there that targeted mass garbage sites but you are still not accurate. Content was the focus and its on going. theres been two algos changes related to this this year already and they plan on more.

          So...it's legitimate to "think" that this is some sort of opportunity for people running autoblogs, regardless of the morale debate whether its "wrong or right" to do.
          I didn't comment at all on the right or the wrong of it. To me its a practical consideration. It makes no sense whatsoever to run down an "opportunity" to put up oogles of the same weak content that they are actively looking to target. Nada. So you THINK Autoblogs will escape untouched this time around but the bullseye is still on shoddy content going forward especially the same content
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Not sure what you are talking about George Google both indicated the algo changed to get better content and other sites besides article sites got hit so you are just dead wrong. Now I am sure there was something in there that targeted mass garbage sites but you are still not accurate. Content was the focus and its on going. theres been two algos changes related to this this year already and they plan on more.
            Mike,

            i never submitted "garbage" to eg. Ezine, in fact especially when i submit to ezine i always write an unique and usually lengthy (450+ words) article.

            So how do you explain that the article(s), regardless of their quality and content, ALL dropped -25?

            You say "content was the focus" while google speaks of punishing "content farms" themselves - i do NOT observe that any kind of article has been spared, EZA/Articlesbase whatever, no matter how good the article(s), ALL dropped.

            I am pretty certain that G applied a "global article directory penalty" and does NOT care about individual articles.

            (My last one on eza was 512 words, it was a pretty quality SEO related article, a product review, all right, but nevertheless coherent and well written since i like writing)
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

              Mike,

              i never submitted "garbage" to eg. Ezine, in fact especially when i submit to ezine i always write an unique and usually lengthy (450+ words) article.

              So how do you explain that the article(s), regardless of their quality and content, ALL dropped -25?
              Thats pretty easy. One the simplest is that sites that have a wad of garbage content get treated as bad neighborhoods just as a lot of other directories. Doesn't mean that content is not targeted it just means that once theres enough bad content (as determined by google) it devalues the whole operation.

              and george just so there is no misunderstanding I never said you submitted garbage content. My objection was that there was some kind of new opportunity to scraoe content out of this.
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


            I didn't comment at all on the right or the wrong of it. To me its a practical consideration. It makes no sense whatsoever to run down an "opportunity" to put up oogles of the same weak content that they are actively looking to target. Nada. So you THINK Autoblogs will escape untouched this time around but the bullseye is still on shoddy content going forward especially the same content
            Mike,

            you are wrongly assuming that all content which is scraped must be "shoddy". I cant follow that logic. Its neither a given that ANY content on article directories *is*shoddy (of course, there also IS shoddy content, who wants to deny that? ) - neither does it become shoddy by scraping and once it appears on an autoblog.

            And until now there is not the slightest indication that Google indeed rolled out some intelligent algorithm which can discern between good and bad content...not the slightest indication at all.

            Edit: I bet any amount with you that i or anyone else could write an intelligent, in-depth 800 words article about whatever, plasma-physics or nuclear fusion, with incredible in-depth information and scientific value..and that article would suffer the same faith as the 250 words "**** berry" article. UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVEN.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

              Mike,

              you are wrongly assuming that all content which is scraped must be "shoddy". I cant follow that logic. Its neither a given that ANY content on article directories *is*shoddy (of course, there also IS shoddy content, who wants to deny that? ) - neither does it become shoddy by scraping and once it appears on an autoblog.
              Any site that is full of nothing but mass copied content is shoddy as far as Google is concerned. Thats why it filters out duplicates.

              And until now there is not the slightest indication that Google indeed rolled out some intelligent algorithm which can discern between good and bad content...not the slightest indication at all.
              there is all evidence that Google was targeting content it does not deem worthy. It has nothing to do with Google achieving artificial intelligence for its system. It only takes the engineers coming up with signals that they think will hit the kind of content they are after.

              I really was not going to get into the whole autoblog thing. My point is I don't think there is opportunity in duplicating content from sites that have been penalized

              but George please do some reading around. There are people all over the internet claiming that their site was hit that are not article directories.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                I've never met anyone that was making money online that gave a crap what Google thinks.

                That is exactly what sets my niche apart from all the guys in this forum that write articles. I deal with downloadable content only, most of my pages include maybe 10 words.

                I could clone all my sites 10 times each with auto blogs (If I wanted). I set my sites up from the start to prevent other sites from scraping (images, zip files, rss, etc...). Still If I wanted, I know I could keep pumping out the same exact content on new sites & would not have supplemental pages in the SERPs. All I have to do is code the new site to scrape the content & add a variation of the root sites main keyword phrase to the new pages title, repeat...

                I think most folks fail at auto-blogging because they suck at setting up the new site from the start. They take the easy way out & grab a WP-theme or WP-plugin that everyone else is running, instead of tweaking the source code before the site goes live.



                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Any site that is full of nothing but mass copied content is shoddy as far as Google is concerned. Thats why it filters out duplicates.



                there is all evidence that Google was targeting content it does not deem worthy. It has nothing to do with Google achieving artificial intelligence for its system. It only takes the engineers coming up with signals that they think will hit the kind of content they are after.

                I really was not going to get into the whole autoblog thing. My point is I don't think there is opportunity in duplicating content from sites that have been penalized

                but George please do some reading around. There are people all over the internet claiming that their site was hit that are not article directories.
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          • Profile picture of the author TZ
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            It makes no sense whatsoever to run down an "opportunity" to put up oogles of the same weak content that they are actively looking to target. Nada. So you THINK Autoblogs will escape untouched this time around but the bullseye is still on shoddy content going forward especially the same content
            So by saying this you are also stating that EVERY news aggregator site is "shoddy content", or "weak content"....???? Is that what you are really saying? I suppose these "crap" sites are going to be long gone somewhere down the road too???

            Furthermore.....what exactly is Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Ask.com??

            That's right. Search engines grab "other people's" content and throw it up on their domains and surround it with advertising.

            Hmmmm.......

            "Not so sure about your detective work there Lou....."
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              All three of those create a good deal of their own content. You just shot yourself in the foot. No one in this thread has knocked syndication but trying to compare autoblogs to MSNBC etc isn't going to work.
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              • Profile picture of the author TZ
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                All three of those create a good deal of their own content. You just shot yourself in the foot. No one in this thread has knocked syndication but trying to compare autoblogs to MSNBC etc isn't going to work.
                Really? Explain to me how one aggregation system is deemed as "quality" compared to another?

                YOU are knocking syndication. Pure and simple.

                You sound like some corp suit who thinks that the little guy isn't qualified to set up their own little factory, but OH....if it's a company you deem to be "worthy", then it's OK.

                I'll say it again. We're talking about nothing more that syndication/aggregation. All you did Mike was decide that when the little guy creates his own little aggregation sites he is creating spam.

                Sure you don't work for Fox News buddy??? You're distortion is brilliant.

                Wow - starting to have fun. We're you in the debate club as well Mike ;-)
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                  Really? Explain to me how one aggregation system is deemed as "quality" compared to another?
                  Simple

                  A) the writers haven't ""spun" their content
                  B) the sites have authors that publish there first
                  C) they include unique content on their site along with syndication.

                  Just three that roll easily to mind.

                  You sound like some corp suit who thinks that the little guy isn't qualified to set up their own little factory, but OH....if it's a company you deem to be "worthy", then it's OK.
                  False. there are little guys all over that write their own content then mix it in with syndication and open their sites up to guest blogging. Don't hide behind the little guy shield. it doesn't apply. Little guys can build sites that people can actually like and read at least some original stuff. Little guys eed not be nothing more than scrape spinners.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Simple

                    A) the writers haven't ""spun" their content (so re-writing content = crap?)
                    B) the sites have authors that publish there first (you mean "some authors" and most of them DO NOTHING more that run aggregation with NO original content)
                    C) they include unique content on their site along with syndication. (and us oh so little pond scum dwellers don't)

                    Just three that roll easily to mind.
                    And the search engines. Hearing crickets on that one bud. NOTHING but other people's content surrounded by advertising. And don't tell me again how only CERTAIN companies and domains are ALLOWED to do that, and us little guys are not allowed to play.

                    And what about RSS feed sites that do nothing but post feeds??? I suppose they don't meet your royal standards either.

                    You're losing ground fast buddy, and you know it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                      You're losing ground fast buddy, and you know it.
                      Okay you made me laugh there - pretty good. Auto blogs are the same as search engines because their service is to connect you to sites that you are looking for. gotcha. thats some funny stuff. got to run.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TZ
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Okay you made me laugh there - pretty good. Auto blogs are the same as search engines . the comedic value of the thread for me has taken a step up. and the last line was a good punch line as well.
                        Glad you are giggling too. I love this sh*t

                        Anyway, YES. I am comparing any kind if script (or system) the pulls content from "other people's domains" and places it on their domain for the purpose of getting traffic and/or making a profit.

                        It's simple. I did not say autoblogs are the SAME as search engines, anyone with a Cracker Jacks Box Degree knows what I am saying here.

                        I'm saying that duplicating content from other domains is what search engines and RSS feed sites do, and they get traffic, make profit - yet they don't enjoy the same sweet sting of your scorn.

                        Yeah. You have answered the question Mike. You sound like the pigs in the book Animal Farm - "some animals are more equal than other animals".

                        Opps.....now we're getting close to Glenn Beck level stupidity.....NOT calling you a facist Mike.

                        Hmmm....maybe I am.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TZ
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Okay you made me laugh there - pretty good. Auto blogs are the same as search engines because their service is to connect you to sites that you are looking for. gotcha. thats some funny stuff. got to run.
                        Yep. Run along now and create some "real" sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    wasnt there a thread on Oz's wp plugin that dealt with the Adsense TOS and scrape - non unique content - and NOT putting adsense on that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    I hope your not monetizing your sites with adsense on these auto blogs...why ?..take a look >>>> AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense
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    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

      I hope your not monetizing your sites with adsense on these auto blogs...why ?..take a look >>>> AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense
      And yet more of the same meme.....yawnnnnnn.

      You can use whatever you want to monetize an autoblog.

      Stick funny pictures of your annoying mother-in-law in the header just for fun.

      Whatever. I get a serious chuckle from people who keep "warning me" about my Adsense account.

      I bet my autoblogs provide a better quality reading and navigating experience than allot of manual blogs. Why? Because the content is all well written and informative, and presented nicely.

      My wife was doing some shopping the other day for some gifts for her sister, and she was 4 paragraphs down an article before she realized that she was on an autoblog I had started a year ago!

      The naysayers here are NOT speaking from any position of authority, and I doubt they even know the first thing about writing PHP, ASP, or manipulating Mysql, or Apache.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
        Originally Posted by TZ View Post

        And yet more of the same meme.....yawnnnnnn.

        You can use whatever you want to monetize an autoblog.

        Stick funny pictures of your annoying mother-in-law in the header just for fun.

        Whatever. I get a serious chuckle from people who keep "warning me" about my Adsense account.

        I bet my autoblogs provide a better quality reading and navigating experience than allot of manual blogs. Why? Because the content is all well written and informative, and presented nicely.

        My wife was doing some shopping the other day for some gifts for her sister, and she was 4 paragraphs down an article before she realized that she was on an autoblog I had started a year ago!

        The naysayers here are NOT speaking from any position of authority, and I doubt they even know the first thing about writing PHP, ASP, Mysql, or Apache.


        Hi Terry,

        Not trying to give you a hard time man..I just wanted to share this with you...man I would love to be able to do what your doing believe me..I did try auto blogs but never made much money..they would always start off with all the pages getting Indexed and then all the pages getting de-indexed...I wish I could do the same..I just worry about my account being banned.

        So ..How many of these auto blogs do you have Terry ?..how much are you making per month ?
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    My autoblog earns me a few bucks a day in adsense. Not a lot of money, but helps pay for the VPS server fee.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    I've sat idly by watching this thread and knew it wouldn’t be too long before the auto haters came around, I hadn’t planned on adding my 2 cents worth but at some point it just gets ridiculous and I have to say something.

    I know there are people on both sides of the autoblogging fence, I for one am for Autoblogging but with a twist…I prefer to build high quality sites that do add value (regardless of what others may say). I add unique content to my sites that ties all of the syndicated content together and giving my own thoughts and impressions about all of it (adding value). I like to call it semi-autoblogging and feel that it is more of a hybrid. Having said that…I feel that is the direction that autoblogging is headed and already know many successful autobloggers who approach it this way.

    Many auto haters will always say that autoblogs are nothing but spam and low quality sites and I’m sorry, I just can’t agree. That may have been the case a few years back when the software was designed to regurgitate nothing but keyword filled content in the hopes of ranking solely on quantity alone….that’s just not the case with todays capabilities.

    As for longevity or possible revenue, once again…if you approach Autoblogging with the idea of wanting to create value added quality sites then IMO the sky is the limit. I won’t go into great detail here (as many of us know there really is no way to prove it) but I do quite well with my autoblogs, I would venture to say much better than many do with totally unique sites and I put in about ½ the work on a small army of them than those with “real”/”unique” sites do with just one or two.

    Update - BTW...Adsesne isn't my main monetization method but I do have it on almost all of my sites and it does provide a nice little chunk of change each month. Am I worried about losing my account...no...because I build quality sites and am not violating their TOS.
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      I've sat idly by watching this thread and knew it wouldn’t be too long before the auto haters came around, I hadn’t planned on adding my 2 cents worth but at some point it just gets ridiculous and I have to say something.

      I know there are people on both sides of the autoblogging fence, I for one am for Autoblogging but with a twist…I prefer to build high quality sites that do add value (regardless of what others may say). I add unique content to my sites that ties all of the syndicated content together and giving my own thoughts and impressions about all of it (adding value). I like to call it semi-autoblogging and feel that it is more of a hybrid. Having said that…I feel that is the direction that autoblogging is headed and already know many successful autobloggers who approach it this way.

      Many auto haters will always say that autoblogs are nothing but spam and low quality sites and I’m sorry, I just can’t agree. That may have been the case a few years back when the software was designed to regurgitate nothing but keyword filled content in the hopes of ranking solely on quantity alone….that’s just not the case with todays capabilities.

      As for longevity or possible revenue, once again…if you approach Autoblogging with the idea of wanting to create value added quality sites then IMO the sky is the limit. I won’t go into great detail here (as many of us know there really is no way to prove it) but I do quite well with my autoblogs, I would venture to say much better than many do with totally unique sites and I put in about ½ the work on a small army of them than those with “real”/”unique” sites do with just one or two.

      Update - BTW...Adsesne isn't my main monetization method but I do have it on almost all of my sites and it does provide a nice little chunk of change each month. Am I worried about losing my account...no...because I build quality sites and am not violating their TOS.
      Very well said. I always know the inevitable end to these conversations and usually just let them go after a point because I know that since I can't really show what I'm doing, there's no way to make some people understand and they are either going to believe or they are won't. And indeed, creating value and making them unique is what I actually find reward in doing. And as TZ already stated, they afford the opportunity to not be strapped to a laptop. I don't need to be making a grand a month (yet) and prove the value in these. They work and simple multiplication is all it takes to understand the potential and value.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        Okay, there has been an awful lot of hot air in this thread, which is normal for this type of discussion. I have read a lot from the autobloggers here about how great this "new era" of autoblogging tools are but I have yet to see a scrap of evidence yet...

        All I want to see is an example of the type of site you can create with these great new scripts you guys have created. I don't want to see the sites that are earning you money or anything. I am sure you can throw up a quick auto blog on some throwaway domain to show us how good these things are.. Any takers? Heck, I will even throw in the domain and hosting if you wish! This is the 4th time I have asked in this thread, is any autoblogger going to take the gauntlet?
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        Nobody is asking to see your money sites Josh, I wouldn't dream of asking for that but can you or can't you provide some sort of example for us to see of what you are creating with your scripts? I have even said I will provide the domain and hosting if you wish.

        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

        Very well said. I always know the inevitable end to these conversations and usually just let them go after a point because I know that since I can't really show what I'm doing, there's no way to make some people understand and they are either going to believe or they are won't. And indeed, creating value and making them unique is what I actually find reward in doing. And as TZ already stated, they afford the opportunity to not be strapped to a laptop. I don't need to be making a grand a month (yet) and prove the value in these. They work and simple multiplication is all it takes to understand the potential and value.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
          The silence from the autobloggers is a bit deafening.. It would just be nice to see a small example of the sites that you guys are claiming are better than the huffington post and others.. Anyone?

          Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

          Nobody is asking to see your money sites Josh, I wouldn't dream of asking for that but can you or can't you provide some sort of example for us to see of what you are creating with your scripts? I have even said I will provide the domain and hosting if you wish.
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          • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
            Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

            The silence from the autobloggers is a bit deafening.. It would just be nice to see a small example of the sites that you guys are claiming are better than the huffington post and others.. Anyone?

            Good day, Steve. Hope you're having a good one!

            I would bet the other guys have the same mindset as I regarding this. Since I just talked about how rapidly my sites are making money and stated I was doing this with my own script, showing evidence of a site... and especially in this forum... would likely lead to quite a few running to try and emulate my site design. I can almost guarantee it would definitely spark a few ideas. And just like that.. I would have created competition for myself. Since my format is the same for a money or "non money" site, and since I have absolutely nothing to gain by showing my hand, I just won't do it.

            Hope you understand!
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            • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
              Okay, entirely up to you. I just thought it was a good opportunity to showcase the talents of the autoblogging community. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to go on thinking it is all hot air then and no substance.

              Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

              Good day, Steve. Hope you're having a good one!

              I would bet the other guys have the same mindset as I regarding this. Since I just talked about how rapidly my sites are making money and stated I was doing this with my own script, showing evidence of a site... and especially in this forum... would likely lead to quite a few running to try and emulate my site design. I can almost guarantee it would definitely spark a few ideas. And just like that.. I would have created competition for myself. Since my format is the same for a money or "non money" site, and since I have absolutely nothing to gain by showing my hand, I just won't do it.

              Hope you understand!
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              • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                Okay, entirely up to you. I just thought it was a good opportunity to showcase the talents of the autoblogging community. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to go on thinking it is all hot air then and no substance.
                Yes sir. That is how we would prefer you think of it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
                Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                Okay, entirely up to you. I just thought it was a good opportunity to showcase the talents of the autoblogging community. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to go on thinking it is all hot air then and no substance.


                I think you would continue to think that regardless of what you were shown. I think Matt Cutts could show you an autoblog that he designed himself and you would still try to find something wrong with it or say that it would not hold up to Googles scrutiny.

                It's your apparent attitude and obvious unwillingness to see any sort of logic or reason in others viewpoints (unless it agrees with your own) that leads those of us with credible autoblogs to not want to show you. You’ve been told on several occasions here in this thread (and it’s been stated on countless others on the WF as well) in great detail what we consider value added autoblogs, how we build them, the type of content that is eventually posted and even how that content is managed…hell, you’ve been given enough info here to build one yourself yet you’re still not satisfied which tells me you never would be regardless of what you were shown.
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                • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                  I have got a very open mind really and I would hold my hands up and admit I was wrong if someone can prove the bold claims about autoblogs made in this thread.

                  I have even offered to host and donate a domain just to see a small smidgen of what is possible with your great new scripts. Its not me that made these bold claims, I just want to see what you guys can actually do.

                  I can't see what the problem is.. You won't be revealing any of your sites, it will be a brand new site made by whoever has the balls to step up to the mark and prove their claims about the quality of these new scripts.

                  Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post


                  I think you would continue to think that regardless of what you were shown. I think Matt Cutts could show you an autoblog that he designed himself and you would still try to find something wrong with it or say that it would not hold up to Googles scrutiny.

                  It's your apparent attitude and obvious unwillingness to see any sort of logic or reason in others viewpoints (unless it agrees with your own) that leads those of us with credible autoblogs to not want to show you. You’ve been told on several occasions here in this thread (and it’s been stated on countless others on the WF as well) in great detail what we consider value added autoblogs, how we build them, the type of content that is eventually posted and even how that content is managed…hell, you’ve been given enough info here to build one yourself yet you’re still not satisfied which tells me you never would be regardless of what you were shown.
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                  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                    I have even offered to host and donate a domain...
                    That's genius. Let's take the scripts for the sites we won't show you and upload them all to your server so that we can prove to you that they exist for absolutely no other reason than to satisfy your curiosity. ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!!

                    And someone needs to do it if they "have the balls"?!! Seriously?

                    Dude.. let it freaking go. You now have 4 people testifying it works.. and it works well. And I even provided a blog elsewhere that is obviously doing well. MORE Proof?!!! Seriously???!! Read between the lines and apply a small amount of intellect. I'm literally getting embarrassed for you guys.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                      You are right Josh.. I will let it go, this is pointless. Did I tell you I was the king of England? Honest it's true! Your reticence to demonstrate something very simple tells more of a story than anything mate.

                      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                      That's genius. Let's take the scripts for the sites we won't show you and upload them all to your server so that we can prove to you that they exist for absolutely no other reason than to satisfy your curiosity. ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!!

                      And someone needs to do it if they "have the balls"?!! Seriously?

                      Dude.. let it freaking go. You now have 4 people testifying it works.. and it works well. And I even provided a blog elsewhere that is obviously doing well. MORE Proof?!!! Seriously???!! Read between the lines and apply a small amount of intellect. I'm literally getting embarrassed for you guys.
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                      • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                        You are right Josh.. I will let it go, this is pointless. Did I tell you I was the king of England? Honest it's true! Your reticence to demonstrate something very simple tells more of a story than anything mate.
                        Wow.. okay buddy. Whatever you say. Holy smokes. Wow....
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                      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
                        Yes...I said "garish" and I believe it's been proven by both your attitudes and the way you're talking to people here.

                        I also said that the fact that someone wouldn’t show an example site (or build one from scratch) would be used to try to illustrate that those not willing to do so must be lying...which is exactly what the quote below is implying:


                        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                        Your reticence to demonstrate something very simple tells more of a story than anything mate.
                        Sorry but this is one of those "discussions" where the two sides will never see eye to eye and it's best left alone...
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

                          Yes...I said "garish" and I believe it's been proven by both your attitudes and the way you're talking to people here. ...
                          Well by that definition you've proven you are in the club so to speak.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                          Its plain old debate as far as I can see.. If I wanted I could throw some money at TZ's signature and buy his secret strategy. Maybe I will...

                          Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

                          Yes...I said "garish" and I believe it's been proven by both your attitudes and the way you're talking to people here.

                          I also said that the fact that someone wouldn’t show an example site (or build one from scratch) would be used to try to illustrate that those not willing to do so must be lying...which is exactly what the quote below is implying:




                          Sorry but this is one of those "discussions" where the two sides will never see eye to eye and it's best left alone...
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                            Its plain old debate as far as I can see.. If I wanted I could throw some money at TZ's signature and buy his secret strategy. Maybe I will...
                            interesting isn't it? It such a valuable trade secret that makes so much thousands per month that they can't possible show you even one of the many sites but you can buy the whole system for $39.99.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
                    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                    I can't see what the problem is.. You won't be revealing any of your sites, it will be a brand new site made by whoever has the balls to step up to the mark and prove their claims about the quality of these new scripts.
                    The problem is (as was already explained to you) that who ever built this new site to show would then be giving away their trade secrets (so to speak). No one I know would do that and for you to ask someone to do that seems a bit garish, to me it says that you're looking to argue and would most likely use the fact that they wont build an example site as ammunition against them (see below).

                    "They must all be full of crap because I offered to pay for everything and they still wont do it"

                    Kind of like you're doing in the quote above actually...
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                  • Profile picture of the author TZ
                    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                    I have got a very open mind really and I would hold my hands up and admit I was wrong if someone can prove the bold claims about autoblogs made in this thread.

                    I have even offered to host and donate a domain just to see a small smidgen of what is possible with your great new scripts. Its not me that made these bold claims, I just want to see what you guys can actually do.

                    I can't see what the problem is.. You won't be revealing any of your sites, it will be a brand new site made by whoever has the balls to step up to the mark and prove their claims about the quality of these new scripts.
                    So you want to provide the hosting and the domain so I can create you a quality autoblog.

                    You don't get it Steve and Mike. No one cares about your thousands of posts and all your time here on this forum, and I certainly don't give a sh*t if you believe me when I say that aggregation is a valid method of income generation. Not one little bit do I care.

                    Twice I posted URLs years ago. One *sshole republished my entire site, and the other f*ckwad went on a clicking rampage on my Adsense ads.

                    So give it up with prove it crap.

                    You want income screen shots? You want traffic stat screen shots?

                    Josh showed you a classic autoblog already, and I know the guy who runs it. Even he thinks that is a dog's breakfast compared to his newer designs.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                      No no no no no no no no no no no.. etc etc..

                      I don't want that at all, in fact right now all I want to do is stop coming back to this daft thread but for some reason I keep taking one last peek..

                      Ah well, while I am here.. I will say this just once more and I hope it sinks in. "I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY EXISTING SITE YOU OWN AND I WOULDN'T DREAM OF ASKING".. Do you understand? I don't want to see that at all! All I was asking is that you show an example of what your tools are capable of.. A brand spanking new site on a neutral domain on neutral hosting. I neither want to keep the domain or the hosting, I just want the merest glimpse of how your sites read better than the huffington post and the other example sites you gave and then it can be deleted. I don't want your scripts, your ebook, your secrets, I just thought it was a good opportunity for you to show what you can do. Do you understand what I am asking for?

                      There is one thing that we agree with though, that example from Josh is a dog's dinner but a classic example of some great off page SEO! Some amazingly good backlinks coming into that site, he must have worked hard on that. How much does he pay to get onto MichelleMalkin.com blogroll at a PR7.. Fascinating. Shame the site is rubbish though, he could seriously turn that into a great site with some care and some great income from it.

                      I don't want income screenshots.. no.. nothing like that. I told you before your income is your business I am merely intrigued by your bold claims.

                      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                      So you want to provide the hosting and the domain so I can create you a quality autoblog.

                      You don't get it Steve and Mike. No one cares about your thousands of posts and all your time here on this forum, and I certainly don't give a sh*t if you believe me when I say that aggregation is a valid method of income generation. Not one little bit do I care.

                      Twice I posted URLs years ago. One *sshole republished my entire site, and the other f*ckwad went on a clicking rampage on my Adsense ads.

                      So give it up with prove it crap.

                      You want income screen shots? You want traffic stat screen shots?

                      Josh showed you a classic autoblog already, and I know the guy who runs it. Even he thinks that is a dog's breakfast compared to his newer designs.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TZ
                        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                        No no no no no no no no no no no.. etc etc..

                        I don't want that at all, in fact right now all I want to do is stop coming back to this daft thread but for some reason I keep taking one last peek..

                        Ah well, while I am here.. I will say this just once more and I hope it sinks in. "I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY EXISTING SITE YOU OWN AND I WOULDN'T DREAM OF ASKING".. Do you understand? I don't want to see that at all! All I was asking is that you show an example of what your tools are capable of.. A brand spanking new site on a neutral domain on neutral hosting. I neither want to keep the domain or the hosting, I just want the merest glimpse of how your sites read better than the huffington post and the other example sites you gave and then it can be deleted. I don't want your scripts, your ebook, your secrets, I just thought it was a good opportunity for you to show what you can do. Do you understand what I am asking for?

                        There is one thing that we agree with though, that example from Josh is a dog's dinner but a classic example of some great off page SEO! Some amazingly good backlinks coming into that site, he must have worked hard on that. How much does he pay to get onto MichelleMalkin.com blogroll at a PR7.. Fascinating. Shame the site is rubbish though, he could seriously turn that into a great site with some care and some great income from it.

                        I don't want income screenshots.. no.. nothing like that. I told you before your income is your business I am merely intrigued by your bold claims.
                        OMG Steve. You wanna come over and paint my house so I can see how good your *ss looks from the bottom of the ladder?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                          errrrm... nnoooo.. I ah.. errm. I do not want that.. No.. no.. do I not want that..

                          You are clearly scared to show what your scripts are capable of for whatever reason, and I will leave it there.

                          Originally Posted by TZ View Post

                          OMG Steve. You wanna come over and paint my house so I can see how good your *ss looks from the bottom of the ladder?
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                          • Profile picture of the author TZ
                            Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                            errrrm... nnoooo.. I ah.. errm. I do not want that.. No.. no.. do I not want that..

                            You are clearly scared to show what your scripts are capable of for whatever reason, and I will leave it there.
                            Ah yes. You want me to take time away from my projects to set up a quicky autoblog to prove to you something.....WHAT is it you need proved?

                            This isn't rocket science.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

              . would likely lead to quite a few running to try and emulate my site design.

              They'll try and rip off your design rather than

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              Steve is right . the lack of proof is telling. this is an Im board. We know people fake it till they make it so all the talk without evidence is really not going to get anywhere with the regulars.
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              • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

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                Steve is right . the lack of proof is telling. this is an Im board. We know people fake it till they make it so all the talk without evidence is really not going to get anywhere with the regulars.
                lol.. the flaw in your argument is that I would somehow care if I'm believed or not by "the regulars" (a nice attempt to portray that you somehow speak for all the experienced people in the forum) or more likely, you. Look at my comments preceding this and you'll see that I have maintained all along that I added to this thread only to "give" to the board and let others know that "yes, this is a very viable option for making money". So when you state that "this is an Im board", make sure you understand the distinction of someone giving to the board as I am doing here ... and someone being dumb and giving away trade secrets. Satisfying the curiosity of the only 2 guys that seem to demand proof means little to me. Walk by faith, not by sight.

                Furthermore.. You don't need my site to see proof. Use Google! Look around! If it helps, here's a great example of a PR6 blog that is all auto generated.. with a couple sentences added to the bottom of each article to weave in some original content. 20,000 pages indexed in Google. This is a decent example of how to auto blog. FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Don't forget there is also other means to automatically acquire content, eg. if your blog is using a blog network where content is published via the wordpress remote publishing protocol.

    This means that whoever is submitting content to those networks is explicitly giving permission that his articles are published.

    The same, by the way, with ezine, articlesbase etc. where re-distribution is actually one MAIN purpose and reason why people put articles on there.

    Some might not know it, but you give EZA etc. your permission that the articles are getting redistributed. (Of course, assuming it stays all kosher with links unaltered).

    Not all is "shoddy" at the first glance, people. Its in the eye of the beholder.

    (I always have to grin a bit since some newbie article marketers use giant sites like EZA etc. and then are ALL UPSET if they see their articles floating around on the web.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
    STOP!! For the last time.. I HAVEN'T ASKED TO SEE ANY MONEY SITES OR ANY SITES YOU ALREADY OWN!

    Sorry for the shouting but it seems that message just isn't getting through.. :confused:
    Can someone just show me a simple example by building one on a domain I supply on hosting that I supply... Strewth.. Why is this so hard?

    Originally Posted by Amys101place View Post

    I belong to a local bloggers club and we meet every couple weeks. In my group, there is one gentleman that does nothing else but auto blog. He has shown me many of his sites and his AdSense income, which is well over $2000 a month. He too is very secretive about showing his sites and won't typically even show others in the group. Although I thought it odd at first, I have come to completely understand. I'm kind of shocked by the pressure here to show them. I personally wouldn't either.

    So you'll have to add me to the list of believers. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

      Can someone just show me a simple example by building one on a domain I supply on hosting that I supply... Strewth.. Why is this so hard?
      Steve they are claiming that its a garish request :rolleyesn your part as if you are after their trade secrets. So drop the hosting part. In fact drop it entirely they don't seem to get that its fine for them to not show their sites as long as they don't claim the unseen as evidence.

      Anywa -- - all the hail the king of England.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Amys101place View Post

    I have come to completely understand. I'm kind of shocked by the pressure here to show them. I personally wouldn't either.
    Theress not a person in this thread that has said that anything can't make you money. People make money with Ebay. Doesn't mean its a good business model for people to follow. Every week we have people who come through claiming they do this or that. three weeks later they have a WSO and very few people can repeat their alleged success. its the nature of the IM beast.

    I am all for not sharing your sites. I don't BUT I don't use my unshown, unverified no proof presented sites as evidence that what I say works and if I do then there is nothing garish (what a totally ridiculous charge against Steve) about saying - if you enter you many sites as evidence can you actually prove it by showing one"


    Now in this thread the OP isn't even raising whether historically scraped content has made money. This thread specifically raises the question of whether recent changes this year make it better for you to be a scraper. Its a TOTALLY ridiculous claim (Sorry George it just is)

    Google has had two updates within weeks of each other made to filter out duplicate content and low quality content and it has stated that its going to keep at it. telling people that getting into putting more of those up even when google is on a war path against them is NOT a great new opportunity.

    Its totally absurd.
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  • Profile picture of the author myagi007
    Hi everyone,

    I'm struggling to actually get any work done, which is no good for my profit lines as I'm obsessed with this topic, however from reading various articles this recent change to how to google rates websites is just the first small change and there are more to come, until there's any real evidence of what they are doing it's going to make life very interesting for us all... I'm just a newbie so am excited to see how it affects my sites. (I'm hoping that Google takes a liking to my site and puts me on No1 spot - just because it can...)
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfdogg
    Entertaining thread. I will agree with the majority. Don't list your sites here or build for anybody. It used to be commonly understood that you didn't ask to see others XFactor sites but guys still talked about the profits and people didn't get called liars for not showing anyone. I'm not sure how this is much different. I've seen a thousand autoblog sites and I would think you have to. I know how they work and I know they can work. Why such a strong demand for a demo? I could care less to see their sites. But I am glad they took the time to share their success stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Agreed, the hosting offer is a bad idea, If you don't believe me ask Mark Zuckerbergs college buddies what they think about sharing web site ideas & code.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      No it wasn't, I would have gladly handed that hosting to whoever wanted it. I didn't want the "secrets" or any other nonsense like that. I just wanted to see what was supposedly better than sites like the huffington post etc..

      I think all this looking over your shoulder, cloak and dagger stuff has affected rational thought.. Its a shame really.

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Agreed, the hosting offer is a bad idea, If you don't believe me ask Mark Zuckerbergs college buddies what they think about sharing web site ideas & code.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        No, it's simply nobody has a need to prove anything, why would they?

        Your selling a product in your sig., why not make it public domain content? You don't give up your content for the same reason nobody else will, we all are in it for the money & nothing less.

        Anyone that gives up their best kept IM secrets is a fool IMO.

        I don't mind sharing little bits of seo info., but I'll never post my best of the best seo/IM techniques.

        Call it cloak & dagger If you want, I prefer to call it less competition.



        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        No it wasn't, I would have gladly handed that hosting to whoever wanted it. I didn't want the "secrets" or any other nonsense like that. I just wanted to see what was supposedly better than sites like the huffington post etc..

        I think all this looking over your shoulder, cloak and dagger stuff has affected rational thought.. Its a shame really.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
          Agreed, and I wasn't asking for that either. All I was asking for is an example of how his sites read better than the huffington post. Thats all..

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          No, it's simply nobody has a need to prove anything, why would they?

          Your selling a product in your sig., why not make it public domain content? You don't give up your content for the same reason nobody else will, we all are in it for the money & nothing less.

          Anyone that gives up their best kept IM secrets is a fool IMO.

          I don't mind sharing little bits of seo info., but I'll never post my best of the best seo/IM techniques.

          Call it cloak & dagger If you want, I prefer to call it less competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    whether recent changes this year make it better for you to be a scraper. Its a TOTALLY ridiculous claim (Sorry George it just is)
    Sorry i fail to see the ridiculousness in this. Although i see many wrong assumptions in the thread like "content must be shoddy" etc..etc... and then someone who is VERY eager to see an autoblog since he obviously never saw one?

    I said somewhere "autoblogs are so 'two years ago'"...heck you can get really good looking ones on fiverr for $5, yes i am serious. So why should someone give out their URL?

    And you seriously think that the assumption that a scraper site might be doing well AT THE MOMENT is far fetched, seeing that the sources of the article(s) all get penalized and there is no indication AT ALL that autoblogs and scrapers got hit in the slightest.

    Sorry..regardless whether this is a hypothetical thought or based on SOME observations by autoblog owners, i dont see anything ridiculous with my assumption or statement.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


      And you seriously think that the assumption that a scraper site might be doing well AT THE MOMENT is far fetched,.
      Don't try and twist my words George. I point blank said that it made no sense based on the fact that google was still targeting duplicate content sites and in reference to the opportunity going forward. I even said f you own an autoblog now fine but not for people to get into scraped content that were not already in.

      Claiming that theres some new opportunity out there for people to get in on by creating ton loads of duplicate content is again just plain silly. Why would someone go into a strategy going forward that Google has taken two broad shots at in the last few weeks and is still going after?

      the only people now saying "Wow I think its a great time to start building sites with ton loads of duplicate content" are those that have no choice because they are heavily invested already and those looking to sell products or services.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Don't try and twist my words George. I point blank said that it made no sense based on the fact that google was still targeting duplicate content sites.
        I would want to hear it from Matt Cutt's mouth that the new algo indeed has some more sophisticated "detect dupe" capabilities - but to be honest i don't think so! I really think they only applied a general penalty to all articlebases, EZAs and goarticles and what they consider "content farms". Not more, not less.

        The problem of dupe content is still the SAME as it was a year or two ago. You also imply that a autoblog usually uses 1:1 dupes...but only a "dumb" autoblog respective site owner would do so.

        There are enough ways to rewrite or re-assemble content...no question with pure dupes you probably wouldnt even get indexed in the first place. ( BUT WAIT..who knows whether the recent change actually now does exactly the opposite and favors YOUR site so you could actually get through with 1:1 dupes? )

        Mind you: I NEVER said its a good idea to use dupes <---
        I assume a certain "sophistication" of any modern auto blog system which will apply some sort of re-writing!

        Furthermore, to get a little more into detail:

        Certain content is "excluded" from dupe content penalties (or they apply less weaker in such cases). You are aware that ALL news sites like CNN, MSNBC, BBC whatever get their news from news agencies - often 1:1 using the same words???

        CNN or BBC dont get a dupe penalty since the news from news agencies are not prone to get penalized. This just as a side-note.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I've never met anyone that was making money online that gave a crap what Google thinks.
    AHAHAHAHA...."giving crap about what google thinks" is the base for SEO. All we do is to "please" google and find ways how to "please" them and to get rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    Sometimes, when dealing with a particularly difficult situation, you may be tempted to resort to sarcasm. That's a really great idea. Sarcasm works well in online media, because it's easy to pick up on without all of those pesky nonverbal cues. It's hard to see how the employment of sarcasm could possibly be counterproductive.

    Sarcasm is especially useful in controversial debates, where a sarcastic comment often has the effect of calming the situation. Don't worry about offending people; simply appending a smiley emoticon to your comment will assuage any hurt feelings, and doing so exempts you from the strictures of civility and good faith.

    Despite the use of the above measures and your inherent, undeniable cleverness, your sarcastic remarks may still be unrecognized or unappreciated by their target audience. This should be interpreted as immediate confirmation of your superior intellect and wit, as well as a corresponding deficiency of those qualities in your audience; you should not hesitate to emphasize this, as it will enable further discussion to proceed productively. It also allows the discussion to stray away from well-known contentious issues towards the beautiful landscapes of hermeneutical disputes on the possible or indisputable subjective and objective meanings of the semantical structures used in the various contributions to the debate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Wow! You can write well. Your talents are wasted on autoblogging.

      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      Sometimes, when dealing with a particularly difficult situation, you may be tempted to resort to sarcasm. That's a really great idea. Sarcasm works well in online media, because it's easy to pick up on without all of those pesky nonverbal cues. It's hard to see how the employment of sarcasm could possibly be counterproductive.

      Sarcasm is especially useful in controversial debates, where a sarcastic comment often has the effect of calming the situation. Don't worry about offending people; simply appending a smiley emoticon to your comment will assuage any hurt feelings, and doing so exempts you from the strictures of civility and good faith.

      Despite the use of the above measures and your inherent, undeniable cleverness, your sarcastic remarks may still be unrecognized or unappreciated by their target audience. This should be interpreted as immediate confirmation of your superior intellect and wit, as well as a corresponding deficiency of those qualities in your audience; you should not hesitate to emphasize this, as it will enable further discussion to proceed productively. It also allows the discussion to stray away from well-known contentious issues towards the beautiful landscapes of hermeneutical disputes on the possible or indisputable subjective and objective meanings of the semantical structures used in the various contributions to the debate.
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  • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

    The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

    While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

    Proof:

    Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

    So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

    HILARIOUS!
    We are just at the beginning of the dance,
    My hub sites that are very tightly aligned and have strong link profiles have seen a nearly 2 times increase in organic traffic. Looking back over the last few months the testing phase of the algo has become very apparent.

    I will guess this algo will be re-evaluated as we move forward, but once again there are several variables.
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  • Profile picture of the author j10nnb
    Steve

    On your european cruises site didn't you pull in some content from the article directories. Not all the content on there was original
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    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by j10nnb View Post

      Steve

      On your european cruises site didn't you pull in some content from the article directories. Not all the content on there was original
      Oh God, if you get me started on their hypocrisy I'll be here all night!

      Got an excited dog here that needs a walk and some food.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Yes, and like I said earlier in the thread, I am not against syndication of content and use of data feeds and all that. I use syndicated content when it can add something to my site. If my site on basket weaving is crying out for an article on weaving using leather or something and I see a great article that will work nicely in my site and I have the author's consent to use it then I will, in exchange for a link obviously.

      Add to that, if I have an article or video that would benefit from some Amazon ads for a related product then I have no qualms about using a datafeed on my site. If I can add added value in any way I can, then I will.

      Originally Posted by j10nnb View Post

      Steve

      On your european cruises site didn't you then pull in some ontent from the article directories. Not all the content on there was original
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    I'm still waiting to see who gets the last word in.

    Reasons for getting the last word

    Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow Warriors.

    It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.
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    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      I'm still waiting to see who gets the last word in.

      Reasons for getting the last word

      Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow Warriors.

      It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.
      A perfect entry and close Josh. Later.......

      Shhh.......is this the last word. I MUST have it. My fragile ego HAS to have it.

      Drum roll please.......well look who got the last word - see BELOW.

      Was fun ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Scraping wikipedia again..

      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      I'm still waiting to see who gets the last word in.

      Reasons for getting the last word

      Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow Warriors.

      It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    But WAIT!! Steve... I have another question. Do you teach others to spin content in your course?

    :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Absolutely Josh! It is a section in my course that I am particularly proud of and thanks for bringing it up. I teach how to use your OWN content or content you have rights to change and spin from words all the way to paragraphs and even spinning images. I teach how to create a ton of very readable, virtually unique content from 1 article. It is a manual process but the rewards are incredible.

      I love the bestspinner, I think it is an incredible tool when used in the right way. This is completely different to stealing some content from the web and using a synonym replacement tool to change some words to make something gibberish.

      I am not a luddite while we are on the subject, I love technology, I have two diplomas in information technology and computing. Above everything though, my overriding thing is that I use tools to help me create content for my visitors. It is not just about churning out a ton of crap and hoping some of it will stick.

      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      But WAIT!! Steve... I have another question. Do you teach others to spin content in your course?

      :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    that's a double-standard.

    How can you say that if you use an existing article on YOUR site it adds value, but on his site it doesn't?

    You dont think that an autoblog which fetches keyword based feeds or articles regarding a certain topic can NOT add value? How so?

    Why should your manually adding and spinning be any better than what the autoblog does?
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      that's a double-standard.

      How can you say that if you use an existing article on YOUR site it adds value, but on his site it doesn't?

      You dont think that an autoblog which fetches keyword based feeds or articles regarding a certain topic can NOT add value? How so?

      Why should your manually adding and spinning be any better than what the autoblog does?
      Bingo. And I had to laugh because a student of his im'd me to tell me this. Awesome. That is superb.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        Josh, how old are you? This is not how to debate, shame on you.

        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

        Bingo. And I had to laugh because a student of his im'd me to tell me this. Awesome. That is superb.
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        • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
          Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

          Josh, how old are you? This is not how to debate, shame on you.
          With all due respect, you might be the last guy on this thread that should be giving advice on how to debate. You're likely a good teacher.. but since the onset of this thread you've contradicted yourself numerous times. Debate is not your forte.
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          • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
            No contradictions on my side as far as I am aware mate, I am not the one hiding behind my words. Everything I believe about Internet marketing (right or wrong) is here in black and white on the Warrior forum.

            Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

            With all due respect, you might be the last guy on this thread that should be giving advice on how to debate. You're likely a good teacher.. but since the onset of this thread you've contradicted yourself numerous times. Debate is not your forte.
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            • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              No contradictions on my side as far as I am aware mate, I am not the one hiding behind my words. Everything I believe about Internet marketing (right or wrong) is here in black and white on the Warrior forum.
              Let me help you with that then, Stevie. You actually have many here if you were to be honest with yourself. And make sure you understand the difference in hiding behind ones words and protecting ones source of income. You should be a big enough boy to make that distinction. What have we had in this thread.. 5 people stop by and say you're wrong to ask such a thing? At least 5 asking you why it's important and stating they wouldn't do it either? But somehow you're right and we're all wrong? Hmm... Anyway, your latest contradiction....

              You said
              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

              The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.
              And then you go on to say how spinning articles is okay and you actually teach this. LOL. Dude, please tell me you are not this blind. Spinning articles is a benefit to you.. not to your visitors. You are doing it solely for MFA sites. You can wrap it up and put a pretty bow on it but you are junking up the web with that crap far more than my sites ever will. You then very weakly try to defend your position.

              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              Lets also just get this straight and clear as well. I use syndicated content in supplement to my own unique content. It is not central to my whole operation. I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate. That is completely different to using scripts that aggregate content from all over the place without moderation.
              Okay Stevie.. so it's okay to use garbage if I supplement my own content.. so long as it's not central to my operation? Well first of all, I do. I add to my content, much like the blog I showed you. TZ stated he adds to his as well. We've both already told you this. My favorite line is "I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate". Ohh! Well why didn't you say so?! It's okay to trash up the web if we do it "sparingly"? Lol.. come on bro! Should I teach my kids that it's okay to cheat as long as they don't do it too much? Even one of your own students saw the contradiction in this and sent me an IM calling you on it!

              I don't care Stevie.. I really don't. But don't try to pretend that you're not adding.. and teaching a system of adding.. to junking up the web in the same way that we are with our sites (if you choose to take this view). You run your business and we'll run ours. It sure is funny how you conveniently draw the line between right and wrong just a little further away for yourself when trying to claim the moral high road and guilty of the exact same thing. Huge contradiction.
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              • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                Okay Josh or is it Joshie?, you see that as contradiction, I don't.. cool, lets move on from this now shall we?

                I am now a fully fledged autoblogger again, cos I bought TZ's gear. There you go.. Hows that for contradicting myself?



                Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                Let me help you with that then, Stevie. You actually have many here if you were to be honest with yourself. And make sure you understand the difference in hiding behind ones words and protecting ones source of income. You should be a big enough boy to make that distinction. What have we had in this thread.. 5 people stop by and say you're wrong to ask such a thing? At least 5 asking you why it's important and stating they wouldn't do it either? But somehow you're right and we're all wrong? Hmm... Anyway, your latest contradiction....

                You said

                And then you go on to say how spinning articles is okay and you actually teach this. LOL. Dude, please tell me you are not this blind. Spinning articles is a benefit to you.. not to your visitors. You are doing it solely for MFA sites. You can wrap it up and put a pretty bow on it but you are junking up the web with that crap far more than my sites ever will. You then very weakly try to defend your position.



                Okay Stevie.. so it's okay to use garbage if I supplement my own content.. so long as it's not central to my operation? Well first of all, I do. I add to my content, much like the blog I showed you. TZ stated he adds to his as well. We've both already told you this. My favorite line is "I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate". Ohh! Well why didn't you say so?! It's okay to trash up the web if we do it "sparingly"? Lol.. come on bro! Should I teach my kids that it's okay to cheat as long as they don't do it too much? Even one of your own students saw the contradiction in this and sent me an IM calling you on it!

                I don't care Stevie.. I really don't. But don't try to pretend that you're not adding.. and teaching a system of adding.. to junking up the web. You run your business and we'll run ours. It sure is funny how you conveniently draw the line between right and wrong just a little further away for yourself when trying to claim the moral high road and guilty of the exact same thing. Huge contradiction.
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                • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                  Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

                  Okay Josh or is it Joshie?, you see that as contradiction, I don't.. cool, lets move on from this now shall we?

                  I am now a fully fledged autoblogger again, cos I bought TZ's gear. There you go.. Hows that for contradicting myself?
                  lol.. amen to that. I think TZ should split all recent profits with Rsberg and I.

                  How you likin' it?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
                    Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                    lol.. amen to that. I think TZ should split all recent profits with Rsberg and I.
                    AMEN Brother...LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      I don't use tools to systematically scrape and steal copyrighted content and aggregate it into new content. I choose content that wants to be syndicated and use datafeeds that want to be used and RSS feeds that I am allowed to use. It is the currency of the web. I use their content, they get backlinks.. You know how it works George. Where is the double standard there?

      Lets also just get this straight and clear as well. I use syndicated content in supplement to my own unique content. It is not central to my whole operation. I use it sparingly and when it is appropriate. That is completely different to using scripts that aggregate content from all over the place without moderation.

      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      that's a double-standard.

      How can you say that if you use an existing article on YOUR site it adds value, but on his site it doesn't?

      You dont think that an autoblog which fetches keyword based feeds or articles regarding a certain topic can NOT add value? How so?

      Why should your manually adding and spinning be any better than what the autoblog does?
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  • Profile picture of the author TKB
    hmmm.. i dont get wad any one is saying here... its too advanced for me..
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    TK,

    just a reply on topic (for a change ) do you know yaab?

    And..what exactly does your rewriter plugin do, where does it get the data? I am kinda interested now.
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    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      TK,

      just a reply on topic (for a change ) do you know yaab?

      And..what exactly does your rewriter plugin do, where does it get the data? I am kinda interested now.
      TK? You mean TZ?

      Anyway. My rewriter is a very simple plugin that allows synonym R&R and phrase R&R. It's set up so you can custom create syns for phrases and words specific to the niche. Full out synonym replacement tools create JIBBERISH, and that is what I think Steve and Mike think I do.

      All content reads perfectly, because the system is not meant to just randomly create crap content.

      It rewrites all of the content that is pulled from feeds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        Which is purely the reason for wanting see an example of what you are saying, what is so wrong with that? Like I have said, I love technology, I love the bestspinner and I am not a Luddite. If you have a tool that does what you say it does, I am interested to see what it does, just like George is..

        Well done, you have got me intrigued enough to buy your system and test it out myself. This has to be the worst sales pitch in history though TZ.

        Originally Posted by TZ View Post

        TK? You mean TZ?

        Full out synonym replacement tools create JIBBERISH, and that is what I think Steve and Mike think I do.

        All content reads perfectly, because the system is not meant to just randomly create crap content.

        It rewrites all of the content that is pulled from feeds.
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        • Profile picture of the author jehzlau
          Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

          Which is purely the reason for wanting see an example of what you are saying, what is so wrong with that? Like I have said, I love technology, I love the bestspinner and I am not a Luddite. If you have a tool that does what you say it does, I am interested to see what it does, just like George is..

          Well done, you have got me intrigued enough to buy your system and test it out myself. This has to be the worst sales pitch in history though TZ.
          So steve? did you you really take the pitfall? Let us know if it really works or not. :rolleyes:, pure honesty mate, its either a yes or a no.

          But for real, I also do believe there is an opportunity after the algo have been tweaked and autoblogged articles are included too as I have observed that too, still waiting for a few days to confirm if it would really give out benefits for the coming weeks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
            Yep.. Purchased and just had a quick look. One thing though, I don't think this is the right place. Also, it wouldn't be a good idea or fair to the people involved to start giving reviews of products in this thread whether they be good or bad. This is a general debate about whether scraping content can survive the Google update.


            Originally Posted by jehzlau View Post

            So steve? did you you really take the pitfall? Let us know if it really works or not. :rolleyes:, pure honesty mate, its either a yes or a no.

            But for real, I also do believe there is an opportunity after the algo have been tweaked and autoblogged articles are included too as I have observed that too, still waiting for a few days to confirm if it would really give out benefits for the coming weeks.
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        • Profile picture of the author TZ
          Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

          This has to be the worst sales pitch in history though TZ.
          I agree, and my wife is still steamed that I won't "clean it up".

          But I want to be as upfront as possible about income potential. All new domains take time to get traffic. Promising people INSTANT profits that will put them behind the wheel of a Brand New Mercedes in 3 months would make my stomach turn.

          In my experience ALL of our domains were a slow and gradual trickle up. I don't care if people DON'T buy my system. What I make on it is about 2% of what we make on Adsense etc. I DON'T want people buying it if they think they will be pulling down 6 figures by next Christmas. SAVE YOUR MONEY if that is what you expect.

          There are lots of other long winded (and clean mouthed) sales pages out there. That's fine. I'm rather crude I suppose, but I spent 16 years of my life in coveralls working with aircraft engineers and mechanics - that is how we talk.

          I have always said, and I practice what I preach - autoblogs and aggregation systems should not be (in my opinion) the only method for creating income - it's a method that can provide income growing year over year and leave you free to work on your main bread and butter...... manually managed content systems writing in-depth and informative posts that search engines love, and readers love.
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  • Profile picture of the author agnelrollins194
    Interesting theories. Of course, if correct, would mean that even attempts Googless determine what duplicate content is still lacking in one way or ...???
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I am guessing Google will still have to fine tune their algorithm, but the fear for autobloggers is eventually they may get hit
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