Interesting side-effect after last Google algo change (good times for scrapers! Yes, seriously!)

Profile picture of the author GeorgR. by GeorgR. Posted: 02/28/2011
Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

Proof:

Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

HILARIOUS!
#algo #change #good #google #interesting #scrapers #sideeffect #times

  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    TZ
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post
    Content Farm == Non theme specific site (eg. article directory) which caters a WIDE range of subjects.

    The interesting side-effect is that it LOOKS like that bogs which indeed scrape content from such "content farms" are NOT affected. Assuming that such blogs are tightly covering a specific niche.

    While the distributing sites (article sites) are getting hit, the scraper sites experience a BOOST...using the content which Google actually deemed as "junk". <-- the irony

    Proof:

    Countless of reports by site owners who own autoblogs using scraped content, reporting a boost after the recent change.

    So..the irony is that the recent change will support "crap" autoblogs as long as they stay close within a topic...and the big competition where the content ORIGINATED is conveniently moved down in rankings.

    HILARIOUS!
    That's what we are seeing George, and this morning our autoblogs are having very high Monday stats for unique visitors. Encouraging, but I think that autoblogs that don't do enough phrase rewriting are going to get hurt bad.
  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    guitarjosh
    Originally Posted by TZ View Post
    That's what we are seeing George, and this morning our autoblogs are having very high Monday stats for unique visitors. Encouraging, but I think that autoblogs that don't do enough phrase rewriting are going to get hurt bad.
    Not true here. I do 0 phrase rewriting.. exact copy... and I've been boosted significantly.
  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    TZ
    Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    Not true here. I do 0 phrase rewriting.. exact copy... and I've been boosted significantly.
    WOW! Really! Well that is a VERY interesting comment friend.

    I think I am going to launch two more autoblogs today and do NO REWRITING to test this out. I coded a Wordpress Plugin to re-write all of the content, and it takes a little time to R&R a niche out properly.

    I've recently been using subdomains so that I can save on domain names, so I will bang these suckers out real quick.

    Thanks for that.
  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    thebitbotdotcom
    Interesting theories. Of course if correct, this would mean that Googless attempts even determine what is duplicate content is still lacking in some form or fashion...???
  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    guitarjosh
    Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post
    Interesting theories. Of course if correct, this would mean that Googless attempts even determine what is duplicate content is still lacking in some form or fashion...???
    The thing about what I do is this... I look to scrape sites that have a lot of pages, but aren't hugely known (staying away from amazon, craigslist, ebay, etc...) and those that I know everyone and their brother is scraping. (Seriously, there are hundreds of thousands of people scraping these sites!) By doing this.. I have ... let's say.. 10,000 unique long tail keywords that I share only with the site I'm scraping from. So now.. "duplicate content" means nothing (though many will argue it means nothing anyway) because... if someone punches in my long tail keyword and it brings up only 2 results.. me and the site I'm scraping, I'm going to get some visitors to my site and it's just as simple as that.

    To take this even further, my best site scrapes an overseas website and every time I test for keywords, my site beats theirs out and I get first. I don't know if this is because Google prefers US sites?? Regardless, I think most Googlers will not choose an overseas domain as their first choice so I'd probably win that war anyway.
  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    gearmonkey
    My autoblog has stayed steady or increased slightly. My message forum has increased. My high-quality blog with the best content has took a hit BIG TIME. I've been promoting my blog via, forum posting, article marketing, link directories, profile links, blog commenting, web2.0, bookmarking... you name it, I've done it. And I've lost 25-30%.

    My forum and autoblog (which I never promoted) are doing great. I don't understand this. I am wondering if Google is penalizing low quality backlinks.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    GeorgR.
    you're using wp-robot on all of them? Sorry too lazy to look at your site now. But indeed, this is interesting and opens up A LOT of new possiblities...

    Rewriting is not even an issue..there are plenty of ways to do this.

    And yes...look at it that way:

    Article site got a penalty, sinks down -25 in rankings. Does that mean i can take a 1:1 dupe and will now outrank the source which Google conveniently removed from the rankings?

    If so...Google has some home work to do..they basically extinguished the fire with gasoline..so to speak
  • Profile picture of the author mandark
    mandark
    I wouldn't count on this trend sticking around.. in my opinion it is fairly likely that since Google has both their content duplication algorithm and their new content farm algorithm, that they will soon combine them so that the penalty for content farms propogates to the users of this content.
  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    guitarjosh
    Originally Posted by mandark View Post
    I wouldn't count on this trend sticking around.. in my opinion it is fairly likely that since Google has both their content duplication algorithm and their new content farm algorithm, that they will soon combine them so that the penalty for content farms propogates to the users of this content.
    I've kind of had that same fear. I'll keep going until it breaks but granted.. wouldn't take much for them to decide to wipe all of these types of sites.
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post
    you're using wp-robot on all of them? Sorry too lazy to look at your site now. But indeed, this is interesting and opens up A LOT of new possiblities...
    Like what? building an empire based on the content Google just slapped? Just waiting for this or the next algo change to take effect on you?

    A) Algos take weeks to know what is going on. As the bots crawl through sites thats when they make the most changes. So you can simply be looking at the reality that your pages haven't been crawled enough yet so the algo hasn't taken affect.

    B) Why would you take all that time to work new opportunities on an oversight by google when you KNOW they are not done and are on the prowl. thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.

    ..........until the day the same people knock at your door.

    Now if you already have sites that have all that junk content then fine. Be happy you were not affected . but anyone looking at this saying hey theres some new opportunities I can start up with this content google just slapped and I'm going to spend my time and money working it......

    Sorry but you are nuts.
  • Profile picture of the author S.
    S.
    Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post
    My autoblog has stayed steady or increased slightly. My message forum has increased. My high-quality blog with the best content has took a hit BIG TIME. I've been promoting my blog via, forum posting, article marketing, link directories, profile links, blog commenting, web2.0, bookmarking... you name it, I've done it. And I've lost 25-30%.

    My forum and autoblog (which I never promoted) are doing great. I don't understand this. I am wondering if Google is penalizing low quality backlinks.
    That's the problem, you did unnatural linking. That's not what Google wants... they want real good content.
  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    TZ
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post
    Like what? building an empire based on the content Google just slapped? Just waiting for this or the next algo change to take effect on you?

    A) Algos take weeks to know what is going on. As the bots crawl through sites thats when they make the most changes. So you can simply be looking at the reality that your pages haven't been crawled enough yet so the algo hasn't taken affect.

    B) Why would you take all that time to work new opportunities on an oversight by google when you KNOW they are not done and are on the prowl. thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.

    ..........until the day the same people knock at your door.

    Now if you already have sites that have all that junk content then fine. Be happy you were not affected . but anyone looking at this saying hey theres some new opportunities I can start up with this content google just slapped and I'm going to spend my time and money working it......

    Sorry but you are nuts.
    What makes anyone on this forum think they know what "junk content" looks like?

    I'll enjoy my rubber room
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    GeorgR.
    Thats like seeing the government shut down all the big liquor stores and saying I think I will open up a small store with the same liquor and make oodles because there are no big stores to compete against.
    That how i define a true and successful entrepreneur
  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    gearmonkey
    Originally Posted by S. View Post
    That's the problem, you did unnatural linking. That's not what Google wants... they want real good content.
    So Googles' update also included an 'unnatural' linking slap?

    Can anyone confirm this? I read they were shutting down content farms, nothing was mentioned to unnatural linking.

    If this is true, I'm going to start building unnatural links to my competitors websites this week.

    It'd be a lot easier to get my competitors slapped.
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    GeorgR.
    If "unnatural" linking is so bad...how comes i can examine "mega niches" and see sites dominating #1 (ok, before the recent change)....very OBVIOUSLY solely based on "unnatural linking".

    Sorry...you dont get a MFA "lose weight" adsense site to #1 using "natural" approaches, no way on earth.
  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
    Stephen Crooks
    Seriously Terry, I think you are confusing junk content with junk sites. You can steal or scrape content (as autobloggers like to call it) from the best resources around but that doesn't make your site valuable to the visitor.

    The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

    The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.



    Originally Posted by TZ View Post
    What makes anyone on this forum think they know what "junk content" looks like?

    I'll enjoy my rubber room
  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    guitarjosh
    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post
    Seriously Terry, I think you are confusing junk content with junk sites. You can steal or scrape content (as autobloggers like to call it) from the best resources around but that doesn't make your site valuable to the visitor.

    The one thing that winds me up about autobloggers is that you try and pretend that what you are providing isn't junk. Just be straight up and honest and say that you are building autoblogs purely to make money (while you can) and stop all this nonsense about how you aren't junking up the web.

    The other point I want to make is that I don't doubt that autoblogs will continue to bottom feed and earn a bit of an income while they remain in existence however hard Google updates it's algo. There is a far better option out there though that can generate huge income without the fear of having your sites axed, accounts lost and all the other sorry stories you read from people. It does take more effort but it is also hugely more enjoyable and rewarding.
    I can tell you for a fact that nothing is more enjoyable than putting up a site... and never touching it again and profiting from it... and watching the profits grow as time goes on. If you enjoy article marketing (junk content), social networking and backlinking (which in itself is junking up the web when done solely for the purpose of promoting your own site), then keep it up.. and enjoy that. We do that 0 hours a week. I will bet any amount of money that I'll be making at least $1000 a month in AdSense in less than a year. For me.. that's much more rewarding than constant keyword researching, building micro-niche sites and adding content or building a blog just to try and get people to subscribe and listen to me. But hey.. I'm not all that social of a person so if you find that hugely more rewarding, keep it up.
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
    Chris Munch
    Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post
    So Googles' update also included an 'unnatural' linking slap?

    Can anyone confirm this? I read they were shutting down content farms, nothing was mentioned to unnatural linking.
    Unfortunately Google did not tackle low quality links. Hopefully this is next on their agenda.

    This is why autoblogs and scrapers are doing well right now. The update is complex, but form I can gather here's a simple low down...

    1. The put all pages on domains on a level playing field. So it doesn't matter if your page is on an awesome massive site like eZinearticles, that one page will gave to stand on its own merits.

    2. Sites with lots of pages that have no backlinks from unique content suffer massively (e.g eZinearticles)

    3. Google removes a lot of the junk from content farms, but many autoblogs are now on a level playing field to compete with the original source. A few greyhat links (using link wheels and spun content for example) and the autoblogs now outrank the original source and pick up longtail traffic.

    4. Sites with original content that has backlinks see their rankings jump up.

    [Disclaimer: it is nowhere near as simple as the above from what I can see, but essentially that is the effect - just lots more variables at play which would take way too long to explain]

    So this is good news for autoblogs for the time being, but I don't expect it to last. Autobloggers can enjoy it while it lasts.
  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
    Stephen Crooks
    At least you are being honest and not pretending that what you are doing isn't providing anything other than junk. Also, I have been in Internet marketing getting on for 10 years now and have tried just about every type of site building and promotion etc.. from black to yellow to white hat, I know the score.

    I know it is possible to make money from splogs but it is a risk to your accounts, you have to keep moving and watching over your shoulder and it isn't providing anything of value. It is purely about making as much money as you can, while you can.. Agreed?

    Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    I can tell you for a fact that nothing is more enjoyable than putting up a site... and never touching it again and profiting from it... and watching the profits grow as time goes on. If you enjoy article marketing (junk content), social networking and backlinking (which in itself is junking up the web when done solely for the purpose of promoting your own site), then keep it up.. and enjoy that. We do that 0 hours a week. I will bet any amount of money that I'll be making at least $1000 a month in AdSense in less than a year. For me.. that's much more rewarding than constant keyword researching, building micro-niche sites and adding content or building a blog just to try and get people to subscribe and listen to me. But hey.. I'm not all that social of a person so if you find that hugely more rewarding, keep it up.
  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    guitarjosh
    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post
    At least you are being honest and not pretending that what you are doing isn't providing anything other than junk. Also, I have been in Internet marketing getting on for 10 years now and have tried just about every type of site building and promotion etc.. from black to yellow to white hat, I know the score.

    I know it is possible to make money from splogs but it is a risk to your accounts, you have to keep moving and watching over your shoulder and it isn't providing anything of value. It is purely about making as much money as you can, while you can.. Agreed?
    First off... splogs are in no way a risk to your account. Play by the rules and Google actually ranks them well.

    Many argue that splogs provide value because they give a home front to a particular niche. I can't say there isn't some truth to this. For example, if I am selling cameras and I pull data from ebay, amazon and 10 other sites to one main site, I have created one place that many may actually prefer to look first. Who's to say? If 5000 people come to this new site and 5 of them bookmark it because maybe they're photographers or they resell cameras... haven't I just provided value to them? Or is my number not high enough? Does it require that 300 people like my site for it to be valuable?

    That's why auto bloggers argue it. Why wouldn't that be of value? If I'm looking for a particular model camera and find a site that will let me search all 10 sites at once and sort by price (as my sites do), I just don't think it can even be argued it was junk.

    Having said that.. for me, it's all about making as much money as I can while I can... while spending minimal time online.

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