What is most important, on page or off page optimization?

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Blueprinter

I have read so many questions about SEO but never this one. So... What is most inportant if you want to get good rankings in google?

I know that some of you fellow warriors would say both and that is correct, but is one method better and more important maybe?

Easy - off-page is more important. You can rank a blank page for a keyword phrase if you throw enough backlinks at it.

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The Blueprinter 13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Easy - off-page is more important. You can rank a blank page for a keyword phrase if you throw enough backlinks at it.

But let's say I'll have 5000 blogposts on my blog. And each and every blogpost have 2-3 links that are pointing to some other posts I have written. Is this worthless then?

And I'll have 0 off page backlinks.
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jacked

13 years ago

They are both important, not having one will severly hinder your rankings. But off-page backlinking really has no limit and that is why I focus on it more heavily.

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The Blueprinter

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jacked

They are both important, not having one will severly hinder your rankings. But off-page backlinking really has no limit and that is why I focus on it more heavily.

I also believe that off page is far more important than on but it would be great to see someone rank well without any off page backlinks. But I guess this will never happen.

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SEOpsychic 13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Blueprinter

it would be great to see someone rank well without any off page backlinks. But I guess this will never happen.

lol.

they will rank well cause they have good content...so people will link them automatically. that why it's hard for you to see a high ranking site without lots of backlinks...think of it. reverse the logic
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SEOpsychic

13 years ago

they are both important...BUT
on page is MORE important dude.
why do people constantly forget that content is king and that we should optimize sites for users FIRST before the search engines.

look. if you have a page. blank page and you have 5million backlinks, no quality content, who are you deceiving, yourself? search engines? or users? what are you actually trying to achieve here?

fine...you do offpage well but don't have quality content..means you'll be doing your own backlinks forever! have you thought of it? no one will link to you cause you have trash content and nothing good...can you do backlinking forever??

how about you create quality, unique content? do enough backlinking? search engines will direct people to your site, they'll like the content, they'll link to your site, more search engine visitors, more users, more linking...like a chain reaction and it keeps going by itself naturally without you having to do much..not wasting your time and effort doing your own manual backlinking?

you can do your offsite seo after you have fully and very well done your onpage seo.

man, on-page is more important and optimizing for users is even more important.

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The Blueprinter

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOpsychic

on page is more important dude.
why do people constantly forget that content is king and that we should optimize sites for users FIRST before the search engines.

look. if you have a page. blank page and you have 5million backlinks, no quality content, who are you deceiving, yourself? search engines? or users? what are you actually trying to achieve here?

fine...you do offpage well but don't have quality content..means you'll be doing your own backlinks forever! have you thought of it? no one will link to you cause you have trash content and nothing good...can you do backlinking forever??

how about you create quality, unique content? do small backlinking? search engines will direct people to your site, they'll like the content, they'll link to your site, more search engines visitors, more users, more linking...like a chain reaction and it keeps going by itself natuarally without you having to do much..not wasting your time and effort doing your own manual backlinking?

man, on-page more important and optimizing for users is even more important.

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Always nice with a new opinion in the subject

I don't think that many people will have that much backlinks to a blank site but I understand what you mean.

Like you say, content is king ! If you have great content people will share your site directly.

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Mellinge

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOpsychic

they are both important...BUT
on page is MORE important dude.
why do people constantly forget that content is king and that we should optimize sites for users FIRST before the search engines.

look. if you have a page. blank page and you have 5million backlinks, no quality content, who are you deceiving, yourself? search engines? or users? what are you actually trying to achieve here?

fine...you do offpage well but don't have quality content..means you'll be doing your own backlinks forever! have you thought of it? no one will link to you cause you have trash content and nothing good...can you do backlinking forever??

how about you create quality, unique content? do enough backlinking? search engines will direct people to your site, they'll like the content, they'll link to your site, more search engine visitors, more users, more linking...like a chain reaction and it keeps going by itself naturally without you having to do much..not wasting your time and effort doing your own manual backlinking?

you can do your offsite seo after you have fully and very well done your onpage seo.

man, on-page is more important and optimizing for users is even more important.

...i drink whitehat...cheers!

Fair point but I guess it depends on what you want??

You should be wanting to create value in any website i.e. with the content quality and then surely sell something off the back of it or affiliate links etc. I don't believe that just quality content will get you up on Google in most cases. Nowadays it is hard to create totally unique content or concepts that will impact enough people to link to you (or is that just my lack of creativity showing through?!

You can however get to the top of Google with backlinks and targeted anchor text. Although I guess that if your content is worthless then it would be pointless to spend the time creating links!!

Classic example is when searching "Click Here" you get Adobe at the top of the results due to the quality of their product (content) and a lot of people linking i.e. If you don't have a PDF reader Click Here. Sure they hadn't planned on this keyword phrase being a target of theirs and this is the problem with just on page, you don't always have control of what you rank for.

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BudgetSEO

13 years ago

For Offpage focus on the quality of backlinks, and not the quantity.
One can buy an xrumer blast which gets 50k or so backlinks in a few hours for the price of a movie ticket, works like a charm for a few months, i won't say what happens after that.Else you may go for low quantity but high quality for the price of a bike.
For on-page foucs on meta tags, seo friendly links
ex domain.com/some-article-about instead of domain.com/1654asewqehi
Just being practical and clear.
I hope it helps.
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The Blueprinter

13 years ago

Originally Posted by BudgetSEO

For Offpage focus on the quality of backlinks, and not the quantity.
One can buy an xrumer blast which gets 50k or so backlinks in a few hours for the price of a movie ticket, works like a charm for a few months, i won't say what happens after that.Else you may go for low quantity but high quality for the price of a bike.
For on-page foucs on meta tags, seo friendly links
ex domain.com/some-article-about instead of domain.com/1654asewqehi
Just being practical and clear.
I hope it helps.
-S

I always try to get quality backlinks from good sources like, ezinearticles, twitter, facebook, digg and high pagerank forums. I have a great list with pagerank forums there you can get a backlinks from.

It's only pagerank 7,8 and 9 forums

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BudgetSEO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Blueprinter

I always try to get quality backlinks from good sources like, ezinearticles, twitter, facebook, digg and high pagerank forums. I have a great list with pagerank forums there you can get a backlinks from.

It's only pagerank 7,8 and 9 forums

Thats the homepage pagerank, and not your profile paagerank.
Just clearing the myth

Yep ezines, FB, digg are really good sources of backlinks too.
-S

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SEOpsychic

13 years ago

i didn't realise there were so many blackhat-infested mates here lol. there are so many of them! hahahaaaaaaa

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alenmaxx

13 years ago

Both are important for your site.Both are like two tyres of a cycle , if one tyre is burst then cycle is useless. Think if you don't have content in your site then what ever work you will do for off page that will not give fruitful results,And if you have a very attractive site and a lot of content and do not give time for the off page optimization then your site is useless who will visit it?
So pay attention to both according to 20:80 ratio i.e. 20 percent to on page and 80 percent to off page optimization.

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harrysinsh135

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Blueprinter

I have read so many questions about SEO but never this one. So... What is most inportant if you want to get good rankings in google?

I know that some of you fellow warriors would say both and that is correct, but is one method better and more important maybe?

I Am Begginer in this field, I want to know what is online optimization.

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evolutionvisions

13 years ago

I'm sorry but this discussion is just completely stupid. You need both, who cares which one has a slight advantage over the other.
"Would you rather have wheels on your car or gas in your engine????"

Obviously you need both to work, just like in SEO. If you're missing either one of them you're screwed. So use both and quit the useless bickering.

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SEOpsychic

13 years ago

Originally Posted by evolutionvisions

I'm sorry but this discussion is just completely stupid. You need both, who cares which one has a slight advantage over the other.
"Would you rather have wheels on your car or gas in your engine????"

Obviously you need both to work, just like in SEO. If you're missing either one of them you're screwed. So use both and quit the useless bickering.

easy dude....this is just a discussion to learn (for the sake of those who don't know) and talk and have fun. no one said one is not important and no one said you don't need the other.

it's like saying: you have 2 hands fine...you need both to do normal duties...but even out of your 2 hands...one is MORE important. if you HAD to lose a hand, which one would you keep? of course you'll keep your right hand if you're right-handed and your left if you're left-handed lol.

no one or nothing is stupid in this thread...watch your vocab man

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AndreyK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOpsychic

easy dude....this is just a discussion to learn (for the sake of those who don't know) and talk and have fun. no one said one is not important and no one said you don't need the other.

it's like saying: you have 2 hands fine...you need both to do normal duties...but even out of your 2 hands...one is MORE important. if you HAD to lose a hand, which one would you keep? of course you'll keep your right hand if you're right-handed and your left if you're left-handed lol.

no one or nothing is stupid in this thread...watch your vocab man

LOL da ****? he didn't say anything wrong at all. his response was 100% more valuable than your stupid blah-blah-blah..... Warrior forums, you never cease to amaze me =)

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markowe

13 years ago

Just to clarify, I am not a black hatter, I believe in quality content, and my sites with the best content are the best-performing ones too, funny that, eh!

All I am saying is that because of the way the Google algo works (unfortunately) the one with the most backlinks almost always wins. And even if you say that good content gets people to linking to you, well, you are still saying that backlinks are the key factor.

Though I wasn't really thinking of content quality as being part of on-page SEO, I thought the OP was talking about getting all the tags, titles, keyword density etc. right. Good point - quality content is the PRIMARY aspect of on-page SEO when you put it like that.

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SEOpsychic 13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

And even if you say that good content gets people to linking to you, well, you are still saying that backlinks are the key factor.

yes...but you don't get the 'natural' backlinks if you don't the content first. this is very far from the chicken and egg thing. with this one the content comes first! however you want to take or process this...the content is always first.
and i also stand by my stand that you'd be wasting your time with backlinking if you don't have the right content or good content...no doubt
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masterofinternate

13 years ago

Both are equally important. First proper on page optimization is needed. Without proper title, keyword research, internal linking structure and specially the content, you can't make a perfect site. Next come link building stage which is referred as off page optimization. So both has its own importance and sorry I can't put my vote for one.

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jonnyhardbaked

13 years ago

Actually both are important. But most often we use off page SEO because it has no limitations.

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faceblogger

13 years ago

I wish my competitors got SEO advice from SEOpsychic

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gay_webmaster

13 years ago

I wish my competitors read the Warrior Forum.

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jacked

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Blueprinter

I also believe that off page is far more important than on but it would be great to see someone rank well without any off page backlinks. But I guess this will never happen.

If your site has extremely low competition, then you can rank with very little links. I have ranked a few sites in the top 3 with only 3-5 links, but it would usually drop after a few weeks and require more linking.

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I wish my competitors read the Warrior Forum.

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somenathsen1

13 years ago

both are important....but i think off page optimization is more important.....

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ghgreham

13 years ago

This is really very nice technique to increase awareness as well as traffic for our site.Both are equally important because on page optimization can make your website user friendly and off page optimization generates the backlinks and help to increase your PR and SERP.

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pilaruk

13 years ago

Off page is more important.
Having a well optimized website is very important and will help eg Google see what your site, pages are about but off page optimization will show how popular your website is in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Popular sites will do best.
The quality of your backlinks is super important.
Hope it helps:-)

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faysal969

13 years ago

Off page optimization is very important and also more than on page optimization.

You will get good traffic by off page optimization.

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AndresGomez 13 years ago

I think both are on page and off page optimization are important.

on page optimization concentrates on page content and the site structure while off page concentrates getting backlinks.. As for as my concern 70% off page and 30% on page optimization techniques will achieve a better ranking in search engines..
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seoservices1

13 years ago

Hello

I thing on page and off page optimization is both most impotent.

equally important because on page optimization can make your website user friendly, Nice meta creation, internal linking, Alt tag and off page optimization generates the backlinks and More traffic and increase your PR and SERP.

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DIGITALCHAMELEON

13 years ago

Both Onpage and Offpage optimization are important in SEO campaign.

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tessa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Blueprinter

I have read so many questions about SEO but never this one. So... What is most inportant if you want to get good rankings in google?

I know that some of you fellow warriors would say both and that is correct, but is one method better and more important maybe?

On-page optimization is the most important factor here when compare to off-page. First you have to build your site that should satisfy both search engines and users, this can be done by effective on-page optimization.

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Point Blank

13 years ago

At the end of the day if you want a successful SEO campaign then it would be wise to focus on both facets.

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OKFarmgirl 13 years ago

Originally Posted by zSpecialist

At the end of the day if you want a successful SEO campaign then it would be wise to focus on both facets.

This. I have been pretty negligent about my off-site SEO, though I'm focusing on it more now. However, my SEO optimized articles have been ranking for my keywords simply because they ARE SEO. I think I could get them higher on page one though, if I did some better backlinking. So I think both are crucial for getting traffic.
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besterz

13 years ago

The basic elements
+ Speed sites
+ Source site compatible with search engine
+ Good title + good content
+ Large number of backlinks

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alexgarci92

13 years ago

Both are important in your site optimization. So you to be focus on both of it.

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socialbookmark

13 years ago

Both of them are needed for getting best results but if you want to choose on of them, off-page is more important than on-page optimization.

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lowongankerjague

13 years ago

Just like most of people here..I think offpage optimization is more important..Get quality backlink and don't forget about your on page SEO..By doing that we'll win "the war"..

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Justinpage

13 years ago

I also believe that on page is far more important than off page, but it doesn't mean that we should ignore the importance of off page SEO. The bottom point is, both on and off page are important.

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mrfusion

13 years ago

I'd say off page probably contributes 90% of the ranking factor. 10% is on-page, but don't ignore it.

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John Williamson

13 years ago

Obviously both are important. Why would you do 1 without the other unless you were trying to prove or test something? If you are trying to rank for something, you know you need both, so why bother asking which one is 'better' or 'more important.' I have achieved page 1 rankings for new sites with great on-page SEO and no backlinks. And, on the other extreme, I have achieved page 1 rankings for sites with absolutely no on-page SEO and no content by simply building links with my keyword as anchor text...

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Gerald Arno

Banned 13 years ago

Both is important. If your on page is awesome you will jump up the rankings quicker with less backlinks. Google puts a lot of attention to on page factors, and if they are good you will have it easier to outrank others with fewer backlinks.

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SundayForever

13 years ago

fine...you do offpage well but don't have quality content..means you'll be doing your own backlinks forever! have you thought of it? no one will link to you cause you have trash content and nothing good...can you do backlinking forever??

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samual james

13 years ago

Both are important factors in SERP, If you have done great onpage work then your site will go up for sure. and if you have done poor onpage but you have great backlinks then your site will get good SERP.

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seoservices1

13 years ago

Hi

on page and off page optimization are most important.

on page optimization concentrates on page content and the site structure while off page concentrates getting backlinks.

off page and 30% on page optimization techniques will achieve a better ranking in search engines..

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