Trying Something New With A Clickbank Product

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I am trying something new as I have not ever done this before. I went to clickbank and I choose a product that has a gravity of 186 and the profit is $43 per sale. I choose a keyword to target that has 5,400 exact global hits per month and the competition is 98,900 in Google with quotes and the page ranks are all low for the first page of Google.

Okay, I wrote an article on GoArticles because you can have links in your articles and in the author box. The links go to the clickbank product. My goal is to have this article be number 1 in Google for this keyword and see if I can make some sales.

Okay, so this is where I am new, LOL!! I am doing some backlinking campaigns for this article and we'll see how long it takes to get to #1. Anyone have any ideas? This is my "test" project to see if I can get something to the top of Google. It's just one article and I figured this is a good place to start.

Has anyone had any luck getting a page to the top of Google? Care to spell out the how's? Thanks!

Marsha
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  • Profile picture of the author hashbury
    You really should build your own site and backlink that instead of someone elses site. I know it may be easier to get an article directory to rank in short term, but you will bennifit in the long term if you build your own site. You can still submit your article to the directories and link it back to your site.

    I did have an article ranked number one in the se's for 4 different keywords that were highly searched, but I really regret not having it on my site first. Also 93000 competition may be more difficult than you think to rank for an article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by hashbury View Post

    You really should build your own site and backlink that instead of someone elses site.
    ^^^ This. Clearly.

    Absolutely no disrespect implied at all, Marsha, but everything you've done here, from product selection onwards, is so diametrically opposed to anything I do myself to make a living from Clickbank that it's a little difficult to know where to start in making suggestions/observations. But the overriding question, for anyone, here, surely, is why would anyone want someone else's site to rank at the top of Google rather than their own? :confused:

    Originally Posted by Roz3377 View Post

    I went to clickbank and I choose a product that has a gravity of 186
    The gravity didn't put you off, then, evidently? I confess I wouldn't have looked at it, at all, on that basis. If you're curious to see why not, my own criteria for Clickbank product selection are here, in the form of a little 10-point checklist.

    Originally Posted by Roz3377 View Post

    the competition is 98,900 in Google with quotes and the page ranks are all low for the first page of Google.
    The number of competing sites isn't relevant. You're competing with only (about) 5 of them. It doesn't matter whether those 5 are followed by 98,895 others or 9,998,895 others. Either you can beat the top handful or you can't. All that matters is the quality of their SEO. And not their page rank. Page rank is just a small part of it. It's common for lower-PR sites to outrank higher-PR sites, remember.

    Originally Posted by Roz3377 View Post

    Okay, I wrote an article on GoArticles because you can have links in your articles and in the author box.
    Why did you think that that would be an advantage? :confused:

    Originally Posted by Roz3377 View Post

    The links go to the clickbank product.
    Well, here's the thing: selling Clickbank products by article marketing is all about two big things. One is effective pre-selling (other than in the article itself, of course); and the other is building a list with your articles attracting people to your opt-in, and marketing the products by email. Without doing both of these things effectively, it's going to be terribly, terribly difficult to make steady sales, I'm afraid: even advocates of "direct-linking" don't propose it as a way of selling Clickbank products.

    Not only are you leaving the great majority of potential income "on the table", as people say, but you're also not developing an asset-based business at all, nor apparently trying to.

    I wish you nothing but success, here, but with apologies indeed for sounding so negative, Marsha, I'm afraid it's really difficult to envisage how this is going to work.

    Originally Posted by Roz3377 View Post

    My goal is to have this article be number 1 in Google for this keyword and see if I can make some sales.
    Well, here's a question for you: when someone finds your article on Google by putting your keyword in as their search-term, wouldn't you rather they found the article on your site/blog rather than in an article directory? This is absolutely fundamental to article marketing.

    Originally Posted by Roz3377 View Post

    It's just one article and I figured this is a good place to start.
    Something on a site that you yourself own and control (even if it's only a one-page blog) is a good place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    Well done for taking action.

    But can you please explain how you came up with this strategy? Not a criticism - I really want to know this comes from.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author hashbury
    Alexa summed it up pretty well. I do not totally agree with her on the clickbank guidelines. I will pick a product anywhere from a 0 to 250 gravity. I just use cbengine to make sure that the affiliates send most of the sales. The opt in on a vendors page does not bother me also. At first I would not pick a product with an opt in until I found a really good product that actually required an opt in before they could buy. I was hesitant but I did not seem to lose any sales(as far as I know).
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by hashbury View Post

      (as far as I know).
      It's the "as far as I know" that's the point here. With respect, you don't know.

      I checked a sample of them for myself over a 2-month period (in 2009) by opting in with various different email addresses and so on. They all fulfilled the criteria you specify above. I didn't deliberately choose "suspicious-looking ones" to try to prove a point, or anything of the kind (in fact quite the contrary, if anything: they were all products I was genuinely interested in promoting, myself - and that was actually why I did it!).

      I found that 85.7% of those I checked were - at some point - sending out some email affiliate links which overwrote the originally referring affiliate's cookie on the prospective customers' computers.

      With over 14,000 active products from which to choose, there's no point in selecting one of those, thanks - and absolutely no need to give oneself such problems.

      My case rests.
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      • Profile picture of the author RhondaG
        I give you great credit for getting out there and trying something. I know that Alexa and others make a good living with clickbank, so try to take what they say in a healthy manner and not be put off by how harsh it may sound.

        They are really trying to help you become a better marketer. Don't give up on your clickbank project, just make some adjustments per the critique and keep on trucking!

        You will learn many things every single day that will help you get further down the Internet Marketing Highway.
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      • Profile picture of the author hashbury
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I found that 85.7% of those I checked were - at some point - sending out some email affiliate links which overwrote the originally referring affiliate's cookie on the prospective customers' computers.
        Thanks for these stats, I knew I should have done my due diligence a bit more thoroughly. Unfortunaly the product I found a great niche for, was the only one I could find on clickbank. I think I will see if I can dig up something similar on another network.
        Can you tell me how many vendors total were included in your research or maybe point me to a thread you might have made about this.
        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by hashbury View Post

          Can you tell me how many vendors total were included in your research
          LOL, I was hoping you wouldn't ask this, but I've investigated only 14 products as "exhaustively" as that, to be honest. And 12 of them were "at it". 12/14 = 85.7%. I actually did them (non-simultaneously) in two batches of 7, and each time 6 of them were sending out "other cookies". When this subject's discussed here, vendors traditionally refer to this as a "great rarity" or as "highly unusual and unrepresentative" or whatever. I've even been called a "conspiracy theorist" for mentioning this here. :rolleyes:

          It's a very small sample, I admit. But "indicative", natch!

          I've never said more than this in public, and can't without falling foul of Warrior Forum rules anyway, because several of them were Warriors. :rolleyes:
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  • I do kind of the same thing. What I do is start a blogger blog on a priduct or niche I want to get into.
    Setting up the blog you need to have a few things in mind,
    1) The person
    2) YOU MUST NOT SELL THE PRODUCT!!

    You should never sell the person, but have a HONEST review of the product you are promoting. If you cant get your hands on the product then I suggest looking up other peoples results and see what you can just carbon copy from them. Don't copy write it, you can always wing it.

    The second thing you need to do is just build backlinks to it. There are tons of ways to get backlinks. Article marketing isnt always the best way, but its a way that you can use to start generating some backlinks.

    There are programs like backlink builder that are SOO useful and help SOO much!
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  • Profile picture of the author hashbury
    Understood. Ive been involved in affiliate marketing in one way or another since late 06 and your numbers provide me with more than enough information to make an educated decision in what I should do.
    It seems I was just naive to think since this "stuff" is against cb tos that no vendors would be doing it. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by hashbury View Post

      It seems I was just naive to think since this "stuff" is against cb tos that no vendors would be doing it. LOL
      It really isn't contrary to Clickbank's terms of service at all, I'm afraid.

      It never has been.

      This is why one can't "out" these vendors in public, or call them "thieves" or anything similar. They're not actually doing anything that's disallowed.

      Clickbank's view is that once the potential customer has opted in to the vendor's sales page, from that moment on they "belong" to the vendor, and the affiliate has no "right" to anything any more. They have clarified this expressly, many times.

      To be honest, although I'm traditionally one of the quickest people to criticise Clickbank over many other aspects of their business, on this issue I don't blame them at all, and would probably have the same rule myself if I were running Clickbank, for the simple reason that it would be absolutely impossible for them to "police"/"enforce" it, if they prohibited it, anyway. :confused:

      To those of us avoiding Clickbank products with an opt-in on the sales page, the problem doesn't exist.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    With the new Google farmer update it might be a bit harder to rank than it used to be but anything is possible.
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