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Hey all,

I'm seeking some advice. I have a site in a hugely competitive market which I built and haven't touched since August 2010. I am waiting for the SandBox to loosen its grip on the site (it doesn't even show up for its domain keywords).

I am relatively experienced with SEO, but need some advice here.

I started to see the site climbing up the ranks a little bit these past 2 weeks, but now it's just dropped off the radar again completely. Do you think this is a Google Dance, or whether the site has some problems / issues with the big G? Have any of you guys experienced this before and what's likely to happen?

Thanks!
#sandbox
  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi gregbanks,

    There is no Sandbox!

    You must earn your ranking by creating and promoting useful content relevant to the keyword you are targeting. There is no reason to wait for a mythological "Sandbox" to loosen it's grip. Get busy promoting your web pages now, with solid promotional methods, and earn those higher rankings you seek.

    The short term rise in rankings you experienced is what we all typically see due the the effects of QDF (Query Deserves Freshness). Now that temporary boost has worn off, you must go out and earn the higher rankings you seek.
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  • Profile picture of the author productsmarine
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by productsmarine View Post

      Google Dance does not effect upon SERP but it's only for page rank. Yes send box is just for a new domain and it would come out with your SEO work... Make quality link for your web site post some release related to your web site. And dear remember one that send box is not define that how much time it will not explore your web site
      Hi productsmarine,

      I believe your post is wrong in several respects.
      1. The "Google Dance" is a term that was coined to refer to major SERP algorithm updates that cause SERP results to "dance" around as the new algorithm settles in.

      2. The so called "Sandbox Effect" applies to all new content, not just new domains.

      3. The "Sandbox Effect" is related to trust factors. New pages have not yet earn the trust that comes from standing the test of time. This has little or nothing to do with search engine crawl frequency, as inferred by your post.
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      • Profile picture of the author finemoves
        Build a ton of links, and don't worry much about the "Sandbox".

        If your site is not ranking due to website age, that will change over time, and you will achieve higher rankings.

        Honestly, you should stop thinking too much about this. Stop second guessing yourself. Just build links and don't look back!
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        • Profile picture of the author gregbanks
          Okay so maybe the "sandbox" doesn't exist - what I'm trying to get at is whether it's worth waiting for the domain age to mature, or just go for it and start getting links, doing Link exachanges, etc now?
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      • Profile picture of the author productsmarine
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by productsmarine View Post

          Thanks dburk......

          But I think your second point is diff all people say search engine loves to new content. If I have a trusted link, will google not give much importance to new content? that recently updated in my site?
          Hi productsmarine,

          Yes, Google's crawlers are designed to find new content and index it. That doesn't mean that Google trusts new content more than content that has stood the test of time. That is what trust factors are all about.

          Generally speaking, content that has been indexed for months will rank higher than brand new content (often confused with domain age). The exception is QDF (Query Deserves Freshness), where Google temporarily pushes fresh content to the top of the index to make it easier to find breaking news and recent developments. This temporary boost soon wears off and the new content sinks to it's current earned rankings.

          Folks often confuse this temporary boost from QDF as a truly earned ranking and then are confused by the subsequent drop in rankings. This is where you often see new webmasters buying into the "concept" of a penalty, frequently referred to as the "Google Sandbox". A temporary boost is not a penalty. When this temporary boost wears off your webpage has not been penalized. There is no "sandbox" from which you need to escape.

          Another important concept to understand is that search engines do not index and rank websites, they index and rank individual pages. So when you substantially change the content of a page, you will lower the trust for that page because Google sees it as new content. This is one of the reasons that blogs that frequently update their homepage content often see their rankings bounce all over the place. It may rank well for one keyword this week and next week they rank well for a different keyword while they drop in ranking for the original keyword.

          I think the idea that Google loves fresh content comes from people who monitor crawler activity. If the Googlebot always finds fresh content with each new visit it will tend to visit more frequently. This has little to do with where your content will rank within the search index. Those are two separate issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    if you havent touched it then youll definitely just see it going up and down.

    Start work on it and dont worry about anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author credasys
    Try to link those page on your very strong page link like your home page to lift up your site in sandbox.
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