Google Dance X Sandbox?

by Vogin
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Hi,
I was just wondering if there is any way how to distinguish Google Dance from Sandbox.

I only ask because my site was ranking quite well for a few keywords and not that it just dropped, it literally disappeared from Google and it received 0 visits today up until now (it usually got like 150 uniques per day).

I am more than positive I did not engage in any black hat stuff. No links buying, no 2k link blasting, nothing - just 3-4 blog comments per day with different anchor text and 2-3 posts on the site per week.

Edit: To make the list complete, I also submitted the articles to several article directories (just the usual though, Ezine, GoArticles, ArticleDashboard) and Squidoo.

Thoughts please?

(PS: the site is HERE should you need it for whatever reason.)
#dance #google #sandbox
  • Profile picture of the author wwtmarketman
    I seem to be in the same boat. One of mine fell off the charts a couple of weeks ago and another one yesterday. The sites have all unique content and no black hat link building. I have just built individual links and I also use Article Marketing Automation.. They were ranking very well and bamm....nothing...
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    • Profile picture of the author Vogin
      I see. Maybe the big G came up with some new algorithm or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    If you type in site:yourrsite.com and your site does not come up in Google it means its been sandboxed

    If it still appears etc it just means its dropped in ranking and you need to keep building more backlinks to have it head back up

    If you have spent any time on the forum you will realize that there is a lot of Hooey about the mythical "sandboxing" and in general your site is just doing the google dance.
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  • Profile picture of the author crismanaon
    I think you should check you back links and keep patient, fresh contents and create quality back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
    Originally Posted by Vogin View Post

    Hi,
    I was just wondering if there is any way how to distinguish Google Dance from Sandbox.

    I only ask because my site was ranking quite well for a few keywords and not that it just dropped, it literally disappeared from Google and it received 0 visits today up until now (it usually got like 150 uniques per day).

    I am more than positive I did not engage in any black hat stuff. No links buying, no 2k link blasting, nothing - just 3-4 blog comments per day with different anchor text and 2-3 posts on the site per week.

    Edit: To make the list complete, I also submitted the articles to several article directories (just the usual though, Ezine, GoArticles, ArticleDashboard) and Squidoo.

    Thoughts please?

    (PS: the site is HERE should you need it for whatever reason.)

    Almost certainly you are not dancing, if what you say is true, you definitely aren't doing anything to get you sandboxed...it is most likely google has changed is algorithm and your site has become "less important".

    If anything, its probably time to START blasting it with some stuff. Well, maybe not "blasting it" but like 50 links for a new site, up to hundreds for normal aged sites. And up from there. Good luck man!
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    Sandboxing and de-indexing aren't the same. Sandboxing just means it gets sent to way down in the ranks--you are still indexed. De-indexing is worse, it's actual removal from google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ohioquotes
      I guess when it got "sandboxed," I expected it to be for a few months at most. From what I am reading, it sometimes can last 12-18 months. Wow, that's a long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author wwtmarketman
    I agree, i don't get it I have tried many methods of linkbuilding. It seems that everytime i get one of my review sites up the rankings and converting well..Bam it falls off the radar..does anyone have any suggestions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Lares
      Originally Posted by wwtmarketman View Post

      I agree, i don't get it I have tried many methods of linkbuilding. It seems that everytime i get one of my review sites up the rankings and converting well..Bam it falls off the radar..does anyone have any suggestions?
      No. But i kinda have same problem. Got my review site ranked number 2 wanted to give a little push with 250 xrumer links and gone into the google abyss. Another got ranked #2, only manual backlinks and i was pretty consistent with link building every day build manually few blog comments and site gone into google abyss. 3rd one was stable on #9 didnt made and links to it for 1 month and gone for no reason too. All sites are new 2-3 months old so maybe just google dance, but i started to losing hope since already 1 month passed and sites are still ranked from 400-900 positions. Maybe google just dont like new review sites anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author wwtmarketman
    Lares, that is what i have been thinking. I built all of my sites on unique content, built links various ways, black hat, white hat and sites are approx 2-4 months old. 2 of my sites have been down for over 2 months now. Just lost another one yesterday....Are they going aster review sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author CaliChristian
    It's kind of hard...I would say the term Google Sandbox is usually reserved for newer domains that are trying to get indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ohioquotes
    Is there anyone who had a site sandboxed for 6-12 months, and now their site is back up in the rankings?
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    This exact thing happened to my neighbor about 2 weeks ago.. went from 600 impressions a day to about 10 on a 4 month old site. I know he did nothing extra as I built the site for him and he doesn't even know how to do the naughty stuff.

    Then... completely random-like, yesterday the site came alive again with 400 impressions and looking like over 500 today. Go figure.... or should I say "G" figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
    Originally Posted by Vogin View Post

    Hi,
    I was just wondering if there is any way how to distinguish Google Dance from Sandbox.

    I only ask because my site was ranking quite well for a few keywords and not that it just dropped, it literally disappeared from Google and it received 0 visits today up until now (it usually got like 150 uniques per day).

    I am more than positive I did not engage in any black hat stuff. No links buying, no 2k link blasting, nothing - just 3-4 blog comments per day with different anchor text and 2-3 posts on the site per week.

    Edit: To make the list complete, I also submitted the articles to several article directories (just the usual though, Ezine, GoArticles, ArticleDashboard) and Squidoo.

    Thoughts please?

    (PS: the site is HERE should you need it for whatever reason.)
    You're head will explode if you try and figure out Google. Jumping around is going to happen, there is no way of getting away from it. You just have to take it with a grain of salt and keep pushing forward. But when things like this do happen, it reminds one that depending upon Google for anything except for guaranteed frustration, may not be the best thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ogm
    I agree. I gave up on figuring out Google.

    I have a site that had 200 visitors a day, then it plunged into abyss for 2 weeks, came back with 400 visitors a day. That was stable for 2-3 month, then it plunged into abyss again for a month and then came back with 600 visitors a day. Was growing steadily for a month or so and now plunged again.

    As a general rule, Google places all new sites higher on search results page and evaluates their traffic, time on site, content relevancy, etc. Keeps them there for a few weeks and then re-ranks them. So most new sites seem to be getting traffic from the start and then plunge. Its pretty normal. You need to keep building links and content, and the site should come back. Do what you're doing and stay the course.
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  • Profile picture of the author joejoechen
    New sites ALMOST always get lots of love from Google, especially super new sites, they get extremely high ranking initially, but as 1 - 2 months passes by Google will start looking at it again and as someone above has said, think that it's "less important" than the other better sites, hence you notice the drop in your ranking.

    But you need to know that it's a process. Most of my sites go through it. They rank high, went off the chart, and came back on the Top 3 pages and start climbing to the first page again.

    The trick here is DON'T GIVE UP. Keep posting new content, keep getting new backlinks from different blog comments, like what you were doing previously, I'm PRETTY PRETTY sure that your site will come back up in the ranks again, I can't guarantee when, but it will. Do what you do and scale it up, if you were adding content once per week, ram it up to twice per week, do double time on blog comments.

    Another thing i noticed is that TRAFFIC actually influences your ranking too. That's a term it's called - Content Marketing. Write an AWESOME content that will certainly help others in your niche, and then play around with it. Ask other bloggers whether they want to share your content to their readers, you can offer write a free quality article for them linking back to your blog post.

    That's where your traffic comes in WITHOUT SEO, and when you're getting an extra backlink from these genuine blog owners, just a couple of these strong backlinks can brush off 100 Web 2.0 backlinks easily. And when you get traffic, remember it also influences your SEO..

    So don't worry just keep working on it bro, you MUST BELIEVE it that it will come back up because if it was ranking in the first page before, it's definitely possible to go back at that spot again but you gotta fight for it!

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    • Profile picture of the author Vogin
      Hi guys,
      OK, thanks for your responses. I think I was in general trying to find out whether I should continue like nothing happened or if it would be a bad thing and I should leave it alone. I'm also glad that I'm not in this just by myself (sounds nasty, sorry ).

      Based on your responses, I have however found out that it usually happens after a few months, say 3, after the new site is created. I'm planning on founding a few more, so I'll measure this phenomenon and when the time comes, share my results.
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