Whats the definition of 'High Page Rank'?

13 years ago

Its basically a way Google used in past and still is using to a lesser extent, to determine the domains importance and weight. The more important the page is , the higher the rank is.

It is actually called after "Larry Page"

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KohenD

It is actually called after "Larry Page"

This "theory" was actually a joke started in a public forum by a couple of Google employees, many years ago.

It was taken seriously, at the time, and has now become part of the "popular culture of the internet". Like many things that get propagated and perpetuated, it's now one of the "urban myths of internet marketing" and no amount of official denials from Google and/or its original perpetrators can dispel the illusion. It was never actually true, though ... "page ranks" relate simply to the rankings of web pages.

Richard, in the post above, makes a very good and important point about page ranks: call me a skepchick, but many "high-PR backlinks" that you can buy actually turn out to be on PR-0 pages of sites with high-PR home pages, in other words they're not really worth any more than an article directory backlink.

I think it's also true to say that they're getting less and less siginificant all the time, as Google gradually changes its algorithms to put more and more emphasis on context-relevance. You can see this from how commonly relevant lower-PR pages outrank less relevant higher-PR pages in Google's SERP's. They mean very little. (If you ask people selling "high-PR backlinks", of course, you'll get a different perspective!

:p ).

Page ranks aren't updated very often (there was an update about 4 months ago, but the previous one before that was well over a year ago and nobody knows whether/when there'll be another one). I've stopped looking at them, myself.

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KohenD

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This "theory" was actually a joke started in a public forum by a couple of Google employees, many years ago.

It was taken seriously, at the time, and has now become part of the "popular culture of the internet". Like many things that get propagated and perpetuated, it's now one of the "urban myths of internet marketing" and no amount of official denials from Google and/or its original perpetrators can dispel the illusion. It was never actually true, though ... "page ranks" relate simply to the rankings of web pages.

Hahah did not know that

I quickly googled that after your comment , and I see that even wikipedia states that its called after Mr Page

Man, thats kind of funny. Our own Internet Marketing urban legend

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schttrj

13 years ago

To both...

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Burtie,

A bit of advice as well.

There are many people selling backlink packages promising "High PR" backlinks.

Be very careful. EZA for example has, I believe a PR of 6. This does not mean the page your article is on will be any higher than PR0.

They will offer "x" amounts of links on "high PR" sites. The trouble is the homepage does have a high PR but the page your link is on doesn't.

Most people seem to think if they have a link on a PR5 site then they have a PR5 link, they don't. Unless the link is on the home page.

If you buy any of these, find out the PR of the page your link will be on first. Incidentally, you'll probably find they won't give you that information.

And...

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This "theory" was actually a joke started in a public forum by a couple of Google employees, many years ago.

It was taken seriously, at the time, and has now become part of the "popular culture of the internet". Like many things that get propagated and perpetuated, it's now one of the "urban myths of internet marketing" and no amount of official denials from Google and/or its original perpetrators can dispel the illusion. It was never actually true, though ... "page ranks" relate simply to the rankings of web pages.

Richard, in the post above, makes a very good and important point about page ranks: call me a skepchick, but many "high-PR backlinks" that you can buy actually turn out to be on PR-0 pages of sites with high-PR home pages, in other words they're not really worth any more than an article directory backlink.

I think it's also true to say that they're getting less and less siginificant all the time, as Google gradually changes its algorithms to put more and more emphasis on context-relevance. You can see this from how commonly relevant lower-PR pages outrank less relevant higher-PR pages in Google's SERP's. They mean very little. (If you ask people selling "high-PR backlinks", of course, you'll get a different perspective!

:p ).

Page ranks aren't updated very often (there was an update about 4 months ago, but the previous one before that was well over a year ago and nobody knows whether/when there'll be another one). I've stopped looking at them, myself.

I would like to add my opinion to these...buying PR0 links on high PR sites are NOT totally useless.

Firstly, it saves you the effort of going out collecting backlinks...from wherever it is...say article directories, blogs or whatever.

Secondly, show me one high PR page in a low PR site. That's NOT possible. But over time, your low PR link in the high PR site can go up. That's why many of the Squidoo or EZA article pages go up to PR2 or even higher.

So, the moral of the story: If you want instant results, it may not help always. And are you willing use money to save on the effort? That's the question.

To Richard, can it be possible that you are experiencing the dreadful Google Dance? or that you hampered any of Google's rules? Check for it.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by schttrj

I would like to add my opinion to these...buying PR0 links on high PR sites are NOT totally useless.

Firstly, it saves you the effort of going out collecting backlinks...from wherever it is...say article directories, blogs or whatever.

Secondly, show me one high PR page in a low PR site. That's NOT possible. But over time, your low PR link in the high PR site can go up. That's why many of the Squidoo or EZA article pages go up to PR2 or even higher.

So, the moral of the story: If you want instant results, it may not help always. And are you willing use money to save on the effort? That's the question.

To Richard, can it be possible that you are experiencing the dreadful Google Dance? or that you hampered any of Google's rules? Check for it.

I would like to add my opinion to these...buying PR0 links on high PR sites are NOT totally useless.

I never said it was totally useless though, did I?

Secondly, show me one high PR page in a low PR site. That's NOT possible.

OK. I know the owner of this site - eurocompanyformations.com, look at the homepage, it's PR0. Now scroll down the country pages and click on "Switzerland". That has a page rank of 3. How? I had a designer point his PR6 homepage at the Swiss page. So you see that's a PR3 internal page on a PR0 site.

But over time, your low PR link in the high PR site can go up. That's why many of the Squidoo or EZA article pages go up to PR2 or even higher.

Over time? How much time? Have you actually put a link to a site on a PR0 internal page, on a high PR site and just waited "over time" and seen the PR increase???

To Richard, can it be possible that you are experiencing the dreadful Google Dance? or that you hampered any of Google's rules? Check for it.

No they were all over 2 years old in very tough markets, nothing to do with the Google dance.

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TotalGaz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

OK. I know the owner of this site - eurocompanyformations.com, look at the homepage, it's PR0. Now scroll down the country pages and click on "Switzerland". That has a page rank of 3. How? I had a designer point his PR6 homepage at the Swiss page. So you see that's a PR3 internal page on a PR0 site.

That explains why I have had what I was thought two links from PR6 sites but testing now the one link is on a PR0 internal page whilst the other is on a PR3 internal page so the reason my homepage has a PR2

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webapex

13 years ago

One gauge: any pagerank higher than your's

A Pr3 is high in comparison to a pr2

Depending on who's guess a 1 pr increment might represent a site with something like 10-100 times the amount of traffic you get.

Pr5 and up are getting into the authority site region, some say a link from a page with a pr6 rank might b as valuable as 1000 junky links.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Burtie,

A bit of advice as well.

There are many people selling backlink packages promising "High PR" backlinks.

Be very careful. EZA for example has, I believe a PR of 6. This does not mean the page your article is on will be any higher than PR0.

They will offer "x" amounts of links on "high PR" sites. The trouble is the homepage does have a high PR but the page your link is on doesn't.

Most people seem to think if they have a link on a PR5 site then they have a PR5 link, they don't. Unless the link is on the home page.

If you buy any of these, find out the PR of the page your link will be on first. Incidentally, you'll probably find they won't give you that information.

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Gaz Cooper

13 years ago

Based on that info does that mean Angelas and Pauls packets are useless since they go aginast what you are saying.

Of course I realize they are selling packets.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GazCooperOnline

Based on that info does that mean Angelas and Pauls packets are useless since they go aginast what you are saying.

Of course I realize they are selling packets.

Gaz Cooper
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Not sure but I've been using Angela's for the last 3 months and guess what? No difference on 4 sites and ones now disappeared.

Maybe it's just me suffering a bit of bad luck.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GazCooperOnline

Based on that info does that mean Angelas and Pauls packets are useless since they go aginast what you are saying.

Of course I realize they are selling packets.

Gaz Cooper
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Here's the thing - There's a massive amount of grey area between doing nothing and being effective.

Would I suggest that people use those type of links as the focus of their business? No.

Do I think that for people who would do nothing if they didn't do that? Maybe.

I don't think they're a great idea but that's because they're being used as some sort of one-size-fits-all answer to link building.

The thing about links that has never changed in the last 10 years is - If you get links in places where your target audience go and that are likely to get you the right type of traffic then the SEO/PR stuff aside, they may be useful.

If you're doing them just to get the links then I think you've probably been brainwashed into thinking that because those domains and even pages have 'Page Rank' that this means they'll be valuable links.

That's often not the case - particularly since the nofollow stuff started, but even before that Google has known that people abuse these things and they don't get the weight that they used to.

Look back a few years and just being listed on DMOZ was enough to get you decent SERPS. That's all changed now.

Google has been cleaning up house for a long time and where you used to be able to find a high PR and high traffic web site and get a valuable link really quickly, those same links just don't carry the juice that they used to.

There are still some great places to get links from, but the time of the link numbers game is coming to an end and if you're not focused on getting in front of your customers where they are, all the links in the world won't get you there.

Sure you can get some results if you throw enough crap at the wall that some sticks, but it's MUCH more effective to look at where your audience are and be effective at reaching them there than to try and blast the hell out of every website on the planet that hasn't protected itself from spam links in the hope that the search engines will care enough to rank you organically.

Look at your niche and focus on getting your message to your customers and not just random links.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Most things have now been said.

Google used to have a lot of focus on the links that went to any web page and where they came from and give them a 'Page Rank' value between 0 and 10. You can still get browser plugins which show you the Page Rank of any page.

However it's less important now than ever before and the title tells you that it's not about DOMAINS. It's about PAGEs.

So when someone says "here is a high PR domain" that doesn't mean getting a link on page there will give you any value.

It's another one of those things that used to have more meaning but many people still focus on because of something they're selling, or they don't understand that things have changed and are trying to believe their old knowledge is still valid.

Don't focus on this stuff - it's irrelevant. Focus on your customers and how to get in front of them and what you will do for them when you do.

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akmaliskandar

13 years ago

there are lot of answer for this question..just do some google search it will help you a lot

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nicolas simpson

13 years ago

google use PR to scale your page rank, 0-10 the higher your page, the more importance it have to google.

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13 years ago

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drmani

13 years ago

Originally Posted by burtie

I have read loads about getting backlinks from high pr domains, but no one really defines what 'High PR' actually is.

What's your definition?

"High PR" would typically mean PR-5 and above.

This article may help get a good idea of what PR is, and how it works:

Google PageRank Formula

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HorseStall

13 years ago

It is subjective but I would define a High PR site as 6+

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avl28804

13 years ago

My blog has been at PR5 for several years now. It must be an order of magnitude jump to PR6. The climb to PR5 took a year or two, but the plateau at PR5 has been much, much longer than the climb. I've heard tell that PR5 and up is very respectable.

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RevSEO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by avl28804

My blog has been at PR5 for several years now. It must be an order of magnitude jump to PR6. The climb to PR5 took a year or two, but the plateau at PR5 has been much, much longer than the climb. I've heard tell that PR5 and up is very respectable.

Absolutely! Great job on a PR5, if you are performing on-site correctly you should have some great rankings for a ton of keywords.

High PageRank links still work, but keep in mind you'll want to make sure that any high PR links you get are from the page itself and not the domain. Such as the Angela/Pauls packets. While those packets/links work, you'll need to build thousands to have the same effect as a single high PageRank link.

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13 years ago

Here is a clear definition of page rank:
PageRank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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jushuaburnham

13 years ago

If a site has high PR it means that the popularity of the site is high as well.

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burtie

13 years ago

Thank everyone for you opinions

A few of you got a little confused I think and thought that I was asked 'what page rank is'. What I actually wanted to know was how high is high when it comes to page rank

It seems that there are many opinion on this one, but I like the definition that a high page rank is anything higher than the one you have currently!

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harrysehgal

13 years ago

Its used by the google to rank the web pages and then provide them adequate rankings.

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