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13 years ago

Check what the EXACT search quantity is. That's what you need to be looking at. You'll probably find it's extremely low and that's why you're not seeing any traffic.

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filippot51 13 years ago

i checked in exact checking the exact box only for that keyword it shows 880
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- ARVolund 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by filippot51
  
  i checked in exact checking the exact box only for that keyword it shows 880
  
  And that is exactly why you are not getting any traffic.
  
  Always use the exact search terms when deciding whether a key word is worth going after or not.
  
  What you need to do now is find additional related keywords to add to your site. Create some more content and pages and add another 6-10 related terms and you can recover very nicely.
  
  In the future try planning it that way from the start. Build a site around a bunch of related keywords so that all your eggs are not in one basket.
  
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nicktyler

13 years ago

That could be right. The thing is that Google keyword tool is notoriously very inaccurate. That along with your position 5 and the low volumes even at the Google estimate could quite easily translate to 5-8 visitors a day.

I would get ranking for some more KW's and go for higher search volumes. Maybe some more generic ones?

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bhuff85

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

Hi guys ,
My keyword has accordingly with google keyword 3600 monthly people searching for it as "phrase" if I click broad has 4400 ,with that keyword I am on page 1 of google at the 5th place of the first page. Now why do i get 6-7 unique visitors a day on that blog? is it normal?Site has been open now for 20 days...say that of that 120 people a day seeking for that keyword I get 5-8 percent clicking on my blog?Is it correct
any help is greatly welcome

Like others have said, check the "exact" search to see the volume. It could be much lower. Also, if there are any major or familiar brands taking up the top spots, they could be sucking most of the clicks away, too.

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rahmanpaidar

13 years ago

68% of search engine users click results on the first page of search results, compared to 62% in 2006, and 60% in 2004. See how google improved their search results reliability over the time from 60% in 2004 to 68%. This is a big improvement in the statistical science.

Of this visitors 75% clicks the seconds result, 57% on the third results and only 8% on the tenth results.

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filippot51

13 years ago

so if i have my keyword that has 6600 visitors monthly (broad) it means there are 200 people daily that open that first page and of those 200 roughtly you get 8 percent if your site is in 10th position,am i correct?

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rahmanpaidar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

so if i have my keyword that has 6600 visitors monthly (broad) it means there are 200 people daily that open that first page and of those 200 roughtly you get 8 percent if your site is in 10th position,am i correct?

Sure the range is in the same range (note it is only an statistical and without deviation factor we can not conclude the exact upper and lower bounds).

Remember that statistically 32% of the users do not even click anything and they change simply they keywords. So you get
200*68%*8% visitors per day if you are in tenth position.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

so if i have my keyword that has 6600 visitors monthly (broad) it means there are 200 people daily that open that first page and of those 200 roughtly you get 8 percent if your site is in 10th position,am i correct?

Broad and phrase search totals are really irrelevant when it comes to seo. You have to look at the exact search totals in google's keyword tool to get a better idea of what to expect in terms of organic traffic.

As far as getting 8 percent of the traffic by being in the 10th position, I think that's way too high in most cases; around 2% is more realistic.

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filippot51

13 years ago

so if the keyword (exact) has 1000 visotrs monthly i should expect to have 20 visitors monthly if im in 8th position correct? i had 25 unique visitors for in 5 days of july i should be happy am i correct?

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rahmanpaidar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

so if the keyword (exact) has 1000 visotrs monthly i should expect to have 20 visitors monthly if im in 8th position correct? i had 25 unique visitors for in 5 days of july i should be happy am i correct?

You can change these percents only if you use an eye catching title and descriptions.
Greate titles and descriptions light up like a gold in every positions.

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rahmanpaidar

68% of search engine users click results on the first page of search results, compared to 62% in 2006, and 60% in 2004. See how google improved their search results reliability over the time from 60% in 2004 to 68%. This is a big improvement in the statistical science.

Of this visitors 75% clicks the seconds result, 57% on the third results and only 8% on the tenth results.

What!? How can you say that 75 % clicks the second result and 57 % the third result, thats 132 %. How do you count? Could you please explain what you mean.

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rahmanpaidar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattsimons

What!? How can you say that 75 % clicks the second result and 57 % the third result, thats 132 %. How do you count? Could you please explain what you mean.

Imagine 100 unigue visitors.
75 visitors clicks the seconds.
57 visitors clicks the thirds.

One visitor can click both second and third results. Visitors overlapping.

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rahmanpaidar

Imaging 100 unigue visitors.
75 visitors clicks the seconds.
57 visitors clicks the thirds.

One visitor can click both second and third results. Visitors overlapping.

Ok cool, where did you find those numbers?

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rahmanpaidar 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattsimons

Ok cool, where did you find those numbers?

The data is collected from different Browser pluggings and toolbars such Alexa, Ask and others. You can find these information from the net.
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ARVolund

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rahmanpaidar

68% of search engine users click results on the first page of search results, compared to 62% in 2006, and 60% in 2004. See how google improved their search results reliability over the time from 60% in 2004 to 68%. This is a big improvement in the statistical science.

Of this visitors 75% clicks the seconds result, 57% on the third results and only 8% on the tenth results.

Where did you get these numbers? Much different that what I have seen. I would really like to see the studies that show that 32% of searches end up going on to the second page as everything I have read puts that number in the low single digits.

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rahmanpaidar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ARVolund

Where did you get these numbers? Much different that what I have seen. I would really like to see the studies that show that 32% of searches end up going on to the second page as everything I have read puts that number in the low single digits.

This 32% of the visitors do not go to the second page. They just change their search query and give up the current page result.

Only 2% go to the second page.

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filippot51

13 years ago

just an example in google keyword
if i write
dog training books
it gives me

broad 12100
exact 2400
phrase 5400

I have 2400 persons that monthly type in google search the words dog training books am i correct? of this 2400 people optimistically i have 68 percent of this 2400 that click on my page if i am on the first page correct?
what is phrase ..is it people that just puts in the search box of google say

where i can i find dog training books

or also
where can i find free dog training books?

or also
the most used dog training books

so this calculation of the percentage 68% is on exact,broad or phrase???

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

just an example in google keyword
if i write
dog training books
it gives me

broad 12100
exact 2400
phrase 5400

I have 2400 persons that monthly type in google search the words dog training books am i correct? of this 2400 people optimistically i have 68 percent of this 2400 that click on my page if i am on the first page correct?
what is phrase ..is it people that just puts in the search box of google say

where i can i find dog training books

or also
where can i find free dog training books?

or also
the most used dog training books

so this calculation of the percentage 68% is on exact,broad or phrase???

Its probably a mixture of all the three kinds you listed, do not take too seriusly on the percentage.

Prashe is all the keywords that have the excat keywords in the phrase for example "dog training books reviews". Excat is dog training books, phrase is all keyword that contains dog training books and something before or after like "dog training books reviews" and broad is all keywords that have some of the keyword anywhere on the search like " good books for training dogs".
Do not ever use broad or phrase when searching how many visitors your site will get.

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filippot51

13 years ago

so i should always watch at exact to have a better idea of what is expected monthly so in that case would be 2400 it is the best way to be conservative and then consider the percents related to that amount of people first place 68 percent etc etc 8th place in the page 8 percent and so on

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razorhound

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

so i should always watch at exact to have a better idea of what is expected monthly so in that case would be 2400 it is the best way to be conservative and then consider the percents related to that amount of people first place 68 percent etc etc 8th place in the page 8 percent and so on

Yes always go for exact match.

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Jon Potts

13 years ago

If you are not within the top 3 you most likely will not receive much traffic at all.

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RW

13 years ago

Hey flippot, check out the click-through-rate chart on this page, it's a pretty good representation of typical results on the first page of google.

The chart shows 8th position as averaging about 2.91% of the traffic, so theoretically, a keyword with 1000 exacts per month would bring you around 30 visitors a month in the 8 spot.

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filippot51

13 years ago

plus consider that im doing affilate program so of those 30 people monthly that i redirect to the seller website may be a even lower percent buys the product correct?

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

plus consider that im doing affilate program so of those 30 people monthly that i redirect to the seller website may be a even lower percent buys the product correct?

Yes if 30 people see your offer dont excpect more than 1 sale, its normal that you get one sale in 30-70 people that wievs the offer but if you have good preselling you could get better conversion rate. Its also normal that only one in 100 acually clicks the offer from your site.

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filippot51 13 years ago

so i should expect a sale or more only if i get say 100 200 or more visits a month .am i correct?
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- Alexander Simons 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by filippot51
  
  so i should expect a sale or more only if i get say 100 200 or more visits a month .am i correct?
  
  Yes, i would say that you will get 1 sale in every 300 persons if you have a decent ste, the conversion rate may be higher if you have a better site and lower if you have a more low quality site. If you sell also depends on how much your wievers are intrested in the offer. Say you have a site very targeted to buy hosting, then the visitors are intrested in hosting and will buy, if you are targeting the keyword "free hosting" then the viewers probably wont buy bescuse they want free hosting.
  
  So how many that buys depends on the content on your site but also on how sell-related the keyword you are targeting is.
  
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RW

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

plus consider that im doing affilate program so of those 30 people monthly that i redirect to the seller website may be a even lower percent buys the product correct?

Exactly. They are not all going to be buyers, probably most people aren't going to buy. That's why it's so important to get into the top 1 to 3 spots of the search results because that's where all the traffic and sales come from.

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filippot51

13 years ago

so if exact term search is 1000 mothly if you are in first 2 3 spot you can expet 400 500 unique visitors and so potentially buyees,there is a ratio between people visiting your website and people actually buying the product you refer them to? is that the so called conversion?

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

so if exact term search is 1000 mothly if you are in first 2 3 spot you can expet 400 500 unique visitors and so potentially buyees,there is a ratio between people visiting your website and people actually buying the product you refer them to? is that the so called conversion?

Yup, you are correct, conversion is how many of your visitors that acuallly buys the product.

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filippot51

13 years ago

anyway for that blog in 20 days i had 170 visitors i didnt have one I say 1 sale so i think your extimate of 100-200 is exact and I think you dont see any sale if you dont have at least 300 or even more visitors,this is a guess of me very unexperienced in this market ,but now thanks to your help ,understanding more and more

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

anyway for that blog in 20 days i had 170 visitors i didnt have one I say 1 sale so i think your extimate of 100-200 is exact and I think you dont see any sale if you dont have at least 300 or even more visitors,this is a guess of me very unexperienced in this market ,but now thanks to your help ,understanding more and more

Ok, you have probably not a very pofitable keyword, for my sites i always try to rank for "product name review", then i know that the readers are intrested and that they are ready to buy.

What product do you try to promote, a clickbank product, a amozon product? A product from another affiliate network? In some affiliate network can you check how many that clicked on your links. If you know how many that clicked on the links can you say if it was you or the product that made that you havent had any sales yet.

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filippot51

13 years ago

its a clickbank product i started with clickbank products i have bluehost.com i asked them if in the stats i could see f anyone clicked on my links to visit the product Im promoting,they said no .Now how can i see if its the product that doesnt sell?

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

its a clickbank product i started with clickbank products i have bluehost.com i asked them if in the stats i could see f anyone clicked on my links to visit the product Im promoting,they said no .Now how can i see if its the product that doesnt sell?

Ok log in to your clickbank account
Click on the current week
Then at the right side you will find a small text that says analytics
Click on analytics text
On analytics you will se hop count
Thats how many that clicked on your link!

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filippot51 13 years ago

I dont know what to do to look for my analytics i have account home
account settings reporting resources and help center, should i need to do some setup?
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i see the panel analytic sorry i can see it
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  Originally Posted by filippot51
  
  i see the panel analytic sorry i can see it
  
  Click reporting then analytics.
  
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filippot51

13 years ago

i had for that product 7 hops count is that that i should look for?

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

i had for that product 7 hops count is that that i should look for?

Yes of the visitors of your site 7 people clicked the link and getting a sale of 7 visitors is almost impossible, i have never had that great converstion rate.

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filippot51

13 years ago

how many hops should i see before leave that product?
i mean if i see 150 hops and dont see a sale better to go to another product? of another product i had 30 hops

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

how many hops should i see before leave that product?
i mean if i see 150 hops and dont see a sale better to go to another product? of another product i had 30 hops

Yes, if you see over 150 hops and no sales change the product.
The thing you schould think of now is getting traffic, say your site is targetting the keyword "learn a dog to sit" do another article that target another related keyword like "learn a dog to walk fine", start backlink the article and you will get more traffic to your site from the other keyword. More traffic = More sales = More money

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filippot51 13 years ago

you mean on my blog create another article another post with a different keyword so the people looking for that keyword go to my website you mean this?
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- Alexander Simons 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by filippot51
  
  you mean on my blog create another article another post with a different keyword so the people looking for that keyword go to my website you mean this?
  
  Yes create another article targeting another low compeion keyword, when you have created that article you will get traffic from both your old keyword and the new keyword!
  Just remember that it schoul be niche related, for example dont write a weight loss article if your other article are targeting the IM niche.
  
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filippot51 13 years ago

how many hops you usually need to have to get 1 sale ?
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- Alexander Simons 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by filippot51
  
  how many hops you usually need to have to get 1 sale ?
  
  As i have already said between 50-80 but the conversion rate depends on the quality of your content and how sales related your keyword is.
  
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  Originally Posted by mattsimons
  
  As i have already said between 50-80 but the conversion rate depends on the quality of your content and how sales related your keyword is.
  
  There is truly no hard and fast rule that 50 to 80 hops is going to result in a sale for every product in the Clickbank marketplace. Some people may convert visitors ever 10 hops, while others may be every 500. There are so many factors that every situation is really unique.
  
  For example, if you were promoting "blue dog collars" and had 100 people looking for a blue dog collar, your conversions would be much higher than 100 people looking just "dog collars" in general.
  
  There are a lot more factors that go into play here, but one thing stands - the more you know and understand your target market and know how to put an offer in front of them that they can't refuse, the higher your conversions will be, plain and simple. However, what one person may do will differ from another, therefore trying to place an average on "number of hops you should get before you make a sale" is pointless.
  
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filippot51

13 years ago

may be in the same category of products may be one sells better than another you mean ,so to look at the gravity of that product doesnt mean really anything? wow there are so many things involved so what you say may be you have 500 hops and dont make a sale and may be 10 and make a sale?so there is no relation at all between people you driving to that web page and people really buying at that web page it is something you cannot controll at all is a matter of luck with the lucky product?

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

may be in the same category of products may be one sells better than another you mean ,so to look at the gravity of that product doesnt mean really anything? wow there are so many things involved so what you say may be you have 500 hops and dont make a sale and may be 10 and make a sale?so there is no relation at all between people you driving to that web page and people really buying at that web page it is something you cannot controll at all is a matter of luck with the lucky product?

No gettin a sale isn´t luck, take my word on this: Its how you sell the product on the site and how intrested your visitors are in the product that makes the coversion rate. If you have a site that only target people that are really intrested in buying your conversion rate will be really good but if you have a site that dosent target buyers your site wont have a good convertion rate. Simple as that, its not a matter of luck its who your visitors are and what you give them to make them buy the product you promote.

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filippot51

13 years ago

how i presell it how i make my visitors willing to click on that link i suggest and go buy the product ,right?how much they do trust me and what i suggest and recommend to them right?

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Alexander Simons

13 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

how i presell it how i make my visitors willing to click on that link i suggest and go buy the product ,right?how much they do trust me and what i suggest and recommend to them right?

Right the thing you talking about is preselling , how you make Your preselling is the thing that is the diffrence between a 0.1 and a 0.0001 conversion rate. With a great preselling you could basiclly sell anything but remember that the preselling will be a lot easier when the visitors are already intrested in the product you are preselling.

Anyway if you want to discuss great preselling It would be Better to start a new thread, talking about preselling here is too much off topic.

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filippot51 13 years ago

yes you are right we are completely out of topics thanks anway for help
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13 years ago

Don't forget search engine results in your area will be different in other countries, are your results for your area ?
Also some users will click adwords or local business results if thats relevant.
Also serach is becoming more customised to your individual search history so not everyone will see the same results as you.

Why not try paying for adwords which can be targeted to gauge what keywords will work, then write some content on those keywords.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

I think 5-8 percent is reasonable, there is a general misconception that many people tend to see the exact search matches optimistically as that amount will actually visit your site if you are ranked number one, infact it is split randomly between the top results with the top result usually getting the most percentage, but like any click through rate it depends on a number of factors

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13 years ago

Nice information thanks to discuss on such a nice topic

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