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Question about beating high PR sites

by jimkirk1943
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Hi guys,

Just a quick question about beating sites with high PR, I`m starting to do ok with adsense ever since i started targeting ads with high payout instead of chasing penny/cent clicks.

I`ve been looking at keywords with serious click value $10 and above, looking into a niche that gives this when i type my keywords into google the first page is nearly always full of high PR sites i dont mess with PR4 and above anyway

But some of the keywords have mostly PR 3 sites filling the first page and these are also mostly comparison sites that have no content, no H1, H2, H3 tags and the keyword isn`t always in the meta description.

So i want to ask just how hard is it to beat these sites with a fully SEO`d web page with a 500 word article and all the tags in place, just say the first page is all PR3 sites but these are all comparison sites with no content and poor onpage SEO could i come along with a highly targeted site and beat these guys easy ?

I fully relise that to beat PR 3 sites that have good onpage seo with a new website/pages takes time and effort but the reson i am posting here is because these sites are comparison sites with poor onpage and i just wondered if this made a difference ??

thanks Jim
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    If you select facebook application for your website.Its good for your adsense earning program.Just try this
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    • Profile picture of the author packerfan
      Hi Jim,

      If there's a bunch of PR3 sites that aren't optimized for that keyword, you shouldn't have a problem outranking them.

      I outrank a lot of sites that are PR3+ specifically because they aren't optimized for the keywords I'm after. Go ahead and try one and see what happens. Worst case, you might have to do some additional link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
    The only thing they all seem to have is the keyword as the title tag in google search its not in the description and the sites are nearly all comparison sites with no H1/2/3 tags they tend to have just some big banners afew words of text and a comparison table
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi jimkirk1943,

      Sites don't have PR. PR is assigned to individual web pages, not sites.

      Search engines do not rank pages in search results by PR. So knowing the PR of a page does not give you an indication of how hard it is to beat that page.

      SERP rank pages based on relevancy. Learn the most important signals of relevancy used by search engines and how they affect the relevancy score of the page you are planning to competing with.

      Analyse your competition with the aim of understanding how much effort it will take for you to best their signals of relevancy.

      Here's a clue: PR is not a signal of relevancy, it is a weighting factor for signals of relevancy. So the PR of the page you are competing with has no direct effect on the ranking of that page.
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      • Profile picture of the author Keep Trying
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi jimkirk1943,

        Sites don't have PR. PR is assigned to individual web pages, not sites.

        Search engines do not rank pages in search results by PR. So knowing the PR of a page does not give you an indication of how hard it is to beat that page.

        SERP rank pages based on relevancy. Learn the most important signals of relevancy used by search engines and how they affect the relevancy score of the page you are planning to competing with.

        Analyse your competition with the aim of understanding how much effort it will take for you to best their signals of relevancy.

        Here's a clue: PR is not a signal of relevancy, it is a weighting factor for signals of relevancy. So the PR of the page you are competing with has no direct effect on the ranking of that page.
        Where can I go to learn more about the signals of relevancy and relevancy factors?
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      • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi jimkirk1943,

        Sites don't have PR. PR is assigned to individual web pages, not sites.

        Search engines do not rank pages in search results by PR. So knowing the PR of a page does not give you an indication of how hard it is to beat that page.

        SERP rank pages based on relevancy. Learn the most important signals of relevancy used by search engines and how they affect the relevancy score of the page you are planning to competing with.

        Analyse your competition with the aim of understanding how much effort it will take for you to best their signals of relevancy.

        Here's a clue: PR is not a signal of relevancy, it is a weighting factor for signals of relevancy. So the PR of the page you are competing with has no direct effect on the ranking of that page.
        Hi Dburk,
        Yes i know google doesn`t rank sites it ranks pages, Thanks for the rest of your post could you give me afew more clues as to relevancy as i`ve explained all the seo factors of the pages i`ll trying to beat like they don`t have content because they are comparision sites so the page that is ranked is just for the most part a big header banner some more pictures and a huge comparision table this runs the same on nearly every site.

        The thing i guess i should mention is that these sites do have 1000`s of pages each targeting the keyword in different states and countrys so i guess thats a big relevancy point so could you help me out alittle more please ?

        Thanks Jim
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

          Hi Dburk,
          Yes i know google doesn`t rank sites it ranks pages, Thanks for the rest of your post could you give me afew more clues as to relevancy as i`ve explained all the seo factors of the pages i`ll trying to beat like they don`t have content because they are comparision sites so the page that is ranked is just for the most part a big header banner some more pictures and a huge comparision table this runs the same on nearly every site.

          The thing i guess i should mention is that these sites do have 1000`s of pages each targeting the keyword in different states and countrys so i guess thats a big relevancy point so could you help me out alittle more please ?

          Thanks Jim
          Hi Jim,

          The primary signals of relevancy all have search operators that you can use to filter and compare that group of signals in isolation from other primary groups.

          Search Operators for Primary signals of relevancy:
          • Allinurl: - URL relevancy signals
          • Allintitle: - Page title relevancy signals
          • Allinanchor: - Backlink relevancy signals
          • Allintext: - Textual relevancy signals

          You can use these operators to isolate the signal group to see how a page ranks, in comparison to other pages, based on relevancy scores for that group of signals. The more prominent the signals are, within the group, the higher your relevancy score will be and the higher your ranking for that group.

          Each group has obvious signals of relevancy with weighting that is constantly being adjusted by other factors used to influence the strength of signals within that group.

          For example, the URL signal group uses the principals of prominence and proximity of keywords within the URL to weight the relevancy score for this signal group. Those same principles and more are applied to the other signal groups' relevancy scores. The scores are then combined for a total relevancy score that determines SERP ranking.

          This by no means meant to be a comprehensive explanation, just a few nuggets for you to chew on.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
    Why not create content around those keywords and have them as a content piece on your website? If you have visitors trickling in to your main site and have the option to view other pages, they could land here and end up clicking on one of your high CPC ads. Definitely worth it, especially if you have an "info" site that keeps people browsing through your site for awhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
    Shouldn't be too hard if their on-page SEO is virtually nonexistent and yours is spot-on.
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  • Profile picture of the author topdown
    I have websites that are PR0 and I'm having top positions(1-3) beating up Wikipedia in some cases. If you have great On-Page SEO the rest will come eventually, the most significant boost you will get it from blog networks so if your website needs to jump 2-5 spots then you know what to do.

    But I still have sites that don't come close to top5 where only domain names rank, not pages.
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