Google Sniper 2.0 Impossible To Implement

13 years ago

It's definitely getting more competitive. I tend to ignore the overall competition and look at JUST the top 10 sites. Who cares about pages 2, 3, 4, etc? I'm aiming for page 1.

Also, you can do just fine with a site that's getting 20 exact match searches a day if you're position #1, #2, or #3. You'll start to find that you're also generating traffic for other terms as well.

You may never generate a ton of traffic. But the traffic should already be in the buying mode.

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sonic74 13 years ago

Yes, you can go even for niches with 30.000 or 40.000 competition and around 3.000 phrase match searches per month.

You will need to build more backlinks.

Just look how strong is the first 10 competitors and if you can overank them easily.
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Asad Moeen

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JSProjects

It's definitely getting more competitive. I tend to ignore the overall competition and look at JUST the top 10 sites. Who cares about pages 2, 3, 4, etc? I'm aiming for page 1.

Also, you can do just fine with a site that's getting 20 exact match searches a day if you're position #1, #2, or #3. You'll start to find that you're also generating traffic for other terms as well.

You may never generate a ton of traffic. But the traffic should already be in the buying mode.

Even page 1 doesn't bring anything, Aim for top 3 spots.

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JSProjects 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Asad Moeen

Even page 1 doesn't bring anything, Aim for top 3 spots.

Agreed. But I know if I can get onto page 1 without much trouble, then climbing into the top 3 shouldn't be an enormous amount of work.
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JamesGw

13 years ago

I'm not a fan of the Sniper method, personally, but there are keywords out there. A lot of them, really.

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nicnac03

13 years ago

Thanks guys.

James do you have one as an example? Because I'd really like to see one. Obviously not something like "why does manure smell bad"

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Clyde

13 years ago

You're doing your SEO Competition analysis all wrong.

First page competition is all that matter. If you can beat Top 3 sites, you can be #1.

and #1 is money.

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JamesGw

13 years ago

It takes some time to find good ones. I'm at work now, so I don't wanna waste my time looking around, BUT ...

look for high priced product names.

I have one keyword that I've gotten 3/10 first page results on that has 9,000 competition and 3,600 exact searches (22,000 broad). If you add another descriptor to the title to make it even more of a buying keyword you get 480 exact, 1900 board and 900 competition.

We consistently generate 3-4 $300 sales a week with that keyword alone.

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nicnac03

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesGw

It takes some time to find good ones. I'm at work now, so I don't wanna waste my time looking around, BUT ...

look for high priced product names.

I have one keyword that I've gotten 3/10 first page results on that has 9,000 competition and 3,600 exact searches (22,000 broad). If you add another descriptor to the title to make it even more of a buying keyword you get 480 exact, 1900 board and 900 competition.

We consistently generate 3-4 $300 sales a week with that keyword alone.

Thanks James, I'll dig deeper with what you suggested.

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Droopy Dawg

13 years ago

Do not... I repeat... DO NOT base your decision on whether or not to go after a keyword solely on the number of competing pages. The ONLY sites you should concern yourself with are the top 10... more specifically... the top site. Even for a "Sniper" site you should do some real good research so that you won't be wasting your time.

If getting onto page 1 is your only objective, then you're looking at sites 5-10. But if the #1 spot is where you want to be, then closely look at the top 5 sites to get a good idea of of how you want to attack this.

Doing in-depth research, and the number of sites should be irrelevant.

Here I'll give you an example... I was going to build an adsense site for this, but what the hell... WF members have been way too kind to me so I'll share.

I did some research for "audiology", which eventually sent me to the keyword "phonak hearing aids", which pays about $1.50 per click (this was only one keyword out of a group that I was building the site around).

Exact match says that it gets searched about 6,600 times per month (220 times per day).

If I were going by the Sniper instructions this keyword would be off-limits...

But as you can see from the image below... cracking the top 10 should be easy, but getting #1 may take some work.

I only did this to show you that number of competitors doesn't matter

Enjoy!

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jordyhill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Droopy Dawg

Do not... I repeat... DO NOT base your decision on whether or not to go after a keyword solely on the number of competing pages. The ONLY sites you should concern yourself with are the top 10... more specifically... the top site. Even for a "Sniper" site you should do some real good research so that you won't be wasting your time.

I absolutely have to agree with the Dawg....this is nonsense.

The original Google Sniper was my second ever IM course, after Copy N Profit (crap springs to mind). It was the same instruction there. In fact George said bookmarking our sites would provide the ONLY backlinks we would need. Now just how naive was I? For ages after that I knew little or nothing about backlinks. (Thank you Warriors)

It sounds like Sniper 2.0 is more or less the same as 1.0, although I haven't seen it. Forgive me if it sounds a little rehashed. There are plenty of free manuals in the War Room that go into much more detail than Google Sniper, and give a better IM education in my opinion.

Google Sniper did teach me the ins and outs of website building and I'm grateful however now I know the same info is widely available on this very site for free. You live and learn.

It is very difficult to find buying keywords using the under 13,000 rule. That's why I don't bother with them.

Nowadays I pay no attention to competing pages. I've just got a 5 week old site to #9 on Google, 2,500,000 competing pages, 6000 searches a month. I only outsourced my bookmarking on Fiverr and manually built all my other links. Slow and steady is the key. Another 2 weeks and I'll be sitting pretty in the top 4 no bother. I know because the other sites I've built doing this have done so, without even breaking a sweat.

That old strategy might have worked for George Brown, but they didn't work for me. And believe me I tried.

Just adapt the mindset that you are going to need links. A mix of high PR links, do follow and no follow, edu, gov, Squidoo etc. There are loads of threads here, WSO's and War Room give aways that will show exactly what you need to do. I can recommend some material on link building you can get here if you need it.

Hope you obtain your goals, you're in the right place to learn the right way, thats for sure!

Jordy

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SootedNinjas

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jordyhill

I can recommend some material on link building you can get here if you need it.

Hope you obtain your goals, you're in the right place to learn the right way, thats for sure!

Jordy

Please do tell. I'm a noob and could use the some direction doing the right way.

Regards......

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jordyhill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SootedNinjas

Please do tell. I'm a noob and could use the some direction doing the right way.

Regards......

Alrighty then. First thing you need to do if you haven't already is sign up for the War Room. Once you're in follow this link:
http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...t=victor+edson

I got this a while back and it helped me organize my strategy whereas before I was all over the place. I have the organizational skills of a brick. Victor's guide if followed will be a huge benefit.

Link Building Domination by Josip Barbaric is also an excellent resource. Its an "outside the box" approach to link building and how to get those links. You'll find it here: http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...omination.html

Seeing as you're a noob, here's some advice....DO NOT go and buy every shiny new product (aka Shiny Product Syndrome) promising auto-pilot overnight riches. Just make a focused plan and stick to it.

Do that and you'll make it for sure, brother

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SootedNinjas

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jordyhill

Alrighty then. First thing you need to do if you haven't already is sign up for the War Room. Once you're in follow this link:

I got this a while back and it helped me organize my strategy whereas before I was all over the place. I have the organizational skills of a brick. Victor's guide if followed will be a huge benefit.

Link Building Domination by Josip Barbaric is also an excellent resource. Its an "outside the box" approach to link building and how to get those links. You'll find it here:

Seeing as you're a noob, here's some advice....DO NOT go and buy every shiny new product (aka Shiny Product Syndrome) promising auto-pilot overnight riches. Just make a focused plan and stick to it.

Do that and you'll make it for sure, brother

tyvm for the advice. I know there is just too much info unfortunately the BS is inter-mingled with it, as such with capitalism. It's wading thru the BS sometimes consume half of the effort until you "get it" then and only then you can spot the BS immediately.

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JSProjects

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesGw

It takes some time to find good ones. I'm at work now, so I don't wanna waste my time looking around, BUT ...

look for high priced product names.

I have one keyword that I've gotten 3/10 first page results on that has 9,000 competition and 3,600 exact searches (22,000 broad). If you add another descriptor to the title to make it even more of a buying keyword you get 480 exact, 1900 board and 900 competition.

We consistently generate 3-4 $300 sales a week with that keyword alone.

Are you using the product name in your domain? I know that a lot of companies take issue with this. So I've avoided it for the most part. (But I do use product names in sub-folders.)

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JamesGw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JSProjects

Are you using the product name in your domain? I know that a lot of companies take issue with this. So I've avoided it for the most part. (But I do use product names in sub-folders.)

Nah. I don't actually implement the Sniper method. I was just using it as an example of a keyword. It's a deep page that I optimized and built a few links to.

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JSProjects

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesGw

Nah. I don't actually implement the Sniper method. I was just using it as an example of a keyword. It's a deep page that I optimized and built a few links to.

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I've never personally looked at the "sniper" method, so I don't really know what it entails. I just know to, for the most part, avoid product names in domains.

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And, again, I agree with most everyone else. I don't worry about overall competition. I only worry about page 1, and to a greater extent, the top 3 sites. Who cares if a keyword has 100,000 competing results or 1,000? All I want to do is see if I can beat the page 1 competition.

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nicnac03

13 years ago

Yes I'm aware of that. The topic is specifically on google sniper's way of ranking which is finding keywords within the specified parameters. Which I can't seem to find and why this thread was created

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Cantbedone!

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nicnac03

Yes I'm aware of that. The topic is specifically on google sniper's way of ranking which is finding keywords within the specified parameters. Which I can't seem to find and why this thread was created

This "sniper" method is just one simple angle in a sea of effective approaches. It was just a "hook" to make that specific program stand out so people would buy it. The truth is that those keywords are in fact hard to find because anyone can scour the keyword tool and pick them out. Competition is fierce.

Don't worry so much about the competition. I outrank many pages that have many more backlinks than I do and I've done it for some very competitive keywords simply by having better on-page SEO and much stronger content. It also helps to have a large (semi authority) site with good internal linking.

My advice, pick about 20 keywords in your niche for starters and just go for it with really good content. In several months time, you will see which ones are ranking and which ones are not. You can go from there with your backlinking approach. Keep doing that and you WILL eventually gain many first page rankings, get good traffic and in turn, lots of clicks.

I started with about 50 or so pages of good content targeting 50 keywords. In about 6 months, some were strong performers, some were moderate and some were duds. Those 50 pages make about 50 bucks a month and I could easily build 50 of these sites or simply make this one bigger. The choice at this point is all about time. Either spend time backlinking and making the weak pages rank higher or just spend time creating more content. I go for content but many here are experts in backlinking and would take that route.

Just my 3 cents...

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John Williamson

13 years ago

Yea, forget about number of competing pages and just look at who's on page 1. Also, I prefer to work out the potential monthly earnings to find a figure of my liking instead of looking for specific hailed metrics like "3k searches per month" etc.

And to find keywords you need, look into Keyword Sniper Pro. I probably would not be able to find potentially profitable keywords without it.

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nicnac03

13 years ago

Thanks DeShon,

Now I have a question in regards to your example. Is it plausible to outrank the manufacturer? Would they not allow you to do so? I recall some vendors don't allow their affiliates to outrank them in the search engines. Thanks

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Droopy Dawg

13 years ago

Its possible.. it will depend on your content. On-page optimization is important as well as high quality links (this is true for all sites you're trying to rank).

Manufacturers can't control what goes on in the results... although google tends to give the manufacturer the nod. That's why your content and on-page factors are very important.

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Thanks DeShon,

Now I have a question in regards to your example. Is it plausible to outrank the manufacturer? Would they not allow you to do so? I recall some vendors don't allow their affiliates to outrank them in the search engines. Thanks

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xxxJamesxxx

13 years ago

Personally I think the Keyword section of Google Sniper is pretty weak.

You want to use the free version of Traffic Travis and analyse the top 10 results because at the end of the day... That's your REAL competition.

James

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John Williamson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx

Personally I think the Keyword section of Google Sniper is pretty weak.

You want to use the free version of Traffic Travis and analyse the top 10 results because at the end of the day... That's your REAL competition.

James

Agreed. Folks don't seem to understand that "number of competing pages" is absolutely irrelevant.

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thecableguy

13 years ago

Have to agree competition numbers isn't the best way to determine the competition. You're basically competing for the 1st page in the SERPs (10 listings), unless the numbers are really, really high, then you might expand it to 20 listings. If not ONLY 10 listings will matter.

Here's some click distribution numbers, scroll down a bit and you'll see that only 10% will reach the second page.

How Much Money is a Top Google Ranking Worth to Your Business?

JMO but some niche finding tools uses a similar formula to determine competition the level. Use MarketSamurai or TrafficTravis instead.

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WealthWithin

13 years ago

No idea why people buy Google Sniper, it is way outdated.

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jordyhill 13 years ago

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

No idea why people buy Google Sniper, it is way outdated.

Not only that, but the base product is $47 right now. Plus no doubt upsells and downsells.

There is better up to date stuff in the War Room. I'm looking at you, basic members!!
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markowe

13 years ago

I agree that all those millions of competing pages are not that relevant, but they DO matter to an extent - I have noticed my progress up the SERPS is considerably slower when there is a ton of sites with the same kwp. You have to do more work to convince Google that yours is the best site on the topic. Sure, the top ten are the ones you ultimately have to beat, but don't make it too difficult to get yourself there.

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ilee

13 years ago

I am also following the google sniper 2 program but the important thing I have found is to ignore the 13,000 number.

You just look at the competition in the top 10, check backlinks, whether they're optimized for the key word etc. I've actually ranked really fast and really well using the system. Also despite what he says, you will probably need to add more content than 3 articles.

I found that even if I follow his guide to the word, my site drops position if I don't add new content every 2 weeks or so.

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JerryGP

13 years ago

Backlinking is the key, correct?

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jordyhill 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JerryGP

Backlinking is the key, correct?

Correct!

If you want to rank high in the SERPS you're gonna need some.

Or was that sarcasm?:p
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Roxybageren

13 years ago

I did find it. 9900 Search - 6000 Komp

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