Google is Flawed - You Can Influence Other Sites’ Rankings With Backlinks

by neil_patmore 551 replies
How do I know? Because I totally messed up 2 of my smaller money sites by creating backlinks to them recently.

I mean totally messed them up, last page of the serps in the supplemental index and not appearing in the search results when I search for the domain without the domain extension. All the hallmarks of a ‘last page of results’ AKA the ‘-950 Google penalty’.

It seemed like a good idea at the time, after all, you can’t hurt a site with backlinks right?

I didn’t just blast the sites with low quality backlinks, but I’m sure the way in which I created around 6k links caused such a drastic penalty.

Well, I could have kicked myself when the sites disappeared.

However I soon realised I've learnt a valuable lesson and possibly acquired something far more powerful than a small money site in #1 spot on Google.

I’ve since removed the backlinks and I’m currently waiting to see if the penalty expires and the sites bounce back. The penalty is an algorithmic penalty, a reply to a reinclusion request confirmed this.

In the wrong hands, this method of backlinking could create carnage for new sites in Google Serps.

Moral of the story? Don’t listen to those that say you can’t hurt a site with backlinks. Instead, be VERY careful with your backlinking.

Want proof? If you have site less than 6 months old, PM me your domain and main keyword and I'll give you the same backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Pretorius
    Amen brother. I picked one of the best performing pages on my site (it was in the top 10 but I can't remember where exactly) and decided to follow the backlinking advice on this forum to get it to #1. Instead it disappeared into total obscurity. It took 8 months for it to finally return to page 1, and that's in a very very low competition environment.
  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    What kind of back links did you use & how did you manage to remove 6k?
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    Not true. It just can't happen. Use your logic please.
  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Barry, the links where from other properties I own on the internet.

    Cagliostro, do you have a site less than 6 months old that I can send links to?
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post


      Cagliostro, do you have a site less than 6 months old that I can send links to?
      No need for you to do that, because i have done it myself already. Apart from some up and down, didn't do anything huge.

      I have send all kind of Fiverr EDU, Pyramids etc etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Pretorius
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      Barry, the links where from other properties I own on the internet.
      I think that's the main issue. I've never seen a link coming from someone else have this effect. It's all this artificial link building stuff we do to ourselves, I think google can tell the difference between 10k people creating 1 link to your site each vs. you creating 10k links to your site. At best google ignores them, at worst they punish you for trying to manipulate the algo.

      However, google doesn't mind at all if you create a good internal link structure. Internal links are some of the best you can get too.
    • Profile picture of the author PatrickP
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      Barry, the links where from other properties I own on the internet.

      Cagliostro, do you have a site less than 6 months old that I can send links to?
      NICE!

      It is called put up or shut up. Let him send you back links so you can find out for yourself.

      If you wont let him prove it then I guess you are afraid it actually COULD happen.
    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      Barry, the links where from other properties I own on the internet.

      Cagliostro, do you have a site less than 6 months old that I can send links to?
      I have a hard time believing this. So how do these blog networks do so well? Matt LeClare makes a bundle with his WSO getting people on the first page of Google. And there are two people named Mike, not sure of their last names though, who do similar. A few long threads on private blog networks were here recently and they were very interesting.

      I think if you had just left the links, your site would have done fine. You were probably just doing the Google dance. Usually from what I hear, the sites that do that will return and end up higher in the SERP. You just didn't wait long enough.

      But believe what you want. It is up to you. The logic just doesn't support your theory though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Garrett Rogers
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      Barry, the links where from other properties I own on the internet.

      Cagliostro, do you have a site less than 6 months old that I can send links to?
      Yes, I am looking for a good backlinking method. Please respond. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    I think that's the main issue. I've never seen a link coming from someone else have this effect. It's all this artificial link building stuff we do to ourselves, I think google can tell the difference between 10k people creating 1 link to your site each vs. you creating 10k links to your site.
    You'd think so wouldn't you? But the inbound links came from sites hosted in a completely different Geo-location, on a different IP address and using a different CMS platform to the 2 money sites. All sites have Whois Guard and there is absolutely nothing linking the sites together.
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    • Profile picture of the author unnatural
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      You'd think so wouldn't you? But the inbound links came from sites hosted in a completely different Geo-location, on a different IP address and using a different CMS platform to the 2 money sites. All sites have Whois Guard and there is absolutely nothing linking the sites together.
      Whois Guard doesn't do any good for protecting against Google's eyes - they are a registered domain registrar.
  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Oh it absolutely can happen. Just a word of advice from a guy who has posted many threads with proof on the subject. You will be making the page more valuable in the end.
    Thanks dp40oz.
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Wow Paul, I sense a stressed man behind your post.

    A tad harsh, not to mention pointless don't you think? Is your blood pressure and the risk of a stroke not important to you?

    Same offer to you my stressed little friend. Give me a site less than 6 months old and lets find out.

    Oh and just so you and I are clear, I've never once claimed that Google owed me or my 'piddly' little site anything. If you carefully read back over my initial post, maybe take a deep breath and relax before you do though, you'll see that this isn't a rant about how my life is now doomed because my 'piddly little site' has vanished.

    I have no interest in how many billions 'silly flawed Google' has made either.

    I do however, have a huge amount of interest in wether or not I can have a direct impact on competitors rankings for personal profit and gain.

    Just so we are clear.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Google does not give as many "penalties" as people dream up.
      Very seldom, if ever, anything resembling a penalty even comes
      up.

      But people use these fantasies as an excuse for any search results
      being changed. Google changes on split second basis. The results
      are dynamic. There is nobody watching and making sure your site
      falls. Even though many people think they are that important to
      the web. They're not.

      Cause and effect are so friggn' mixed up here...it's pathetic.

      It can't be because google discovered better sites at the moment.

      It can't be because other sites got updated.

      It can't be because dynamics in searching changed.

      It can't be because a tweak in an algorithm.

      It can't be anything else except google penalizing my site.

      Dream on. Google does not take a personal interest in YOUR site no
      matter how important you think you are.

      It just has to be that big, bad, flawed google *sniff* I just know I
      have the best site *whimper* and if they don't like it, I must be
      *wiping tear drop* getting penalized!

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    Look I know there are mixed opinions on this so I can only provide my own experience.

    I had also had a site ranked on page 1 getting over 600 visitors per day. I decided to try an "Xrumer" blast to try and solidify the ranking.

    Within 24 hours after the "Xrumer" blast, my site was gone. All my traffic was gone as well.

    It stayed this way for about 6 months before it finally returned.

    Call it "Google Dance" or whatever you want, but the fact is that the site vanished and therefore all revenue stopped for 6 months and the only cause is the xrumer blast.

    So anyone claiming that these backlink blasts don't affect your site, I'm sorry but you're wrong.
    • Profile picture of the author satrap
      Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

      ...Call it "Google Dance" or whatever you want, but the fact is that the site vanished and therefore all revenue stopped for 6 months and the only cause is the xrumer blast...

      I am just trying to understand this, how would you determine that the only cause is the xrumer blast?

      I mean, the explanation could be as simple as a " coincidence", couldn't it?...

      Of course, I couldn't prove that either, but you see what I mean though!Since, I dont know how exactly Google works, I am not taking anyone's side here. But from a logical point of view, what you said is a bit puzzling to me. Although I can understand and see why, you would think that.
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Unnatural, thank you. That is something I didn't know.
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