How the F*&^ is this guy ranking No 1?

helfgott

13 years ago

Where did you obtain that graphic lol

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singhmanish251 13 years ago

Originally Posted by helfgott

Where did you obtain that graphic lol

Cropped it now

Its obtained from Market Samurai
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browie 13 years ago

Whoa that's crazy man. Does he have some wacky PR7 backlink or something?
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Riggs

13 years ago

If I were you I would just contact the guy and straight up ask him. Just say you have intentions to create a similar site with iframes but are new to SEO and would really appreciate the advice.

You lose nothing from asking.

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singhmanish251

13 years ago

Just saw the backlinks of that site and found that in total he has 7 backlinks from which 1 is from it.finance.yahoo.com ...The link is within the article :O

So maybe thats the reason for such a strange ranking

NOw how the hell can one get a backlink from it.finance.yahoo.com

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by singhmanish251

Just saw the backlinks of that site and found that in total he has 7 backlinks from which 1 is from it.finance.yahoo.com ...The link is within the article :O

So maybe thats the reason for such a strange ranking

NOw how the hell can one get a backlink from it.finance.yahoo.com

Where are all those "quantity is way better than quality" people at now?

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alistair

13 years ago

Any chance of sharing the link to the site, don't matter if you can't it's just really interesting.

I have a competitor in a couple of niches in the UK who consistently ranks #1 for the main keyword and at the moment I can't beat him/her and after comparing content, backlinks etc I don't know why. It can really be frustrating.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Most quantity style links do not show up in rank tracking software. So it is very possible this individual has been rocking it out. I know our links do not show up. Yet we still rock the rankings.

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Most quantity style links do not show up in rank tracking software. So it is very possible this individual has been rocking it out. I know our links do not show up. Yet we still rock the rankings.

Really? Because every time I've tested blasting trashy links at one of my sites I've had no problems getting a bunch of them to show up in the backlink checkers.

I've done forum profile spam, spun plr spam on private networks, massive article distribution, blog comment spam... I've tested it all I think. At least 20% usually shows up in the backlink checkers without doing anything. If I mash some RSS feeds, build more trashy links at those trashy links, etc, normally 45-60% show up.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Really? Because every time I've tested blasting trashy links at one of my sites I've had no problems getting a bunch of them to show up in the backlink checkers.

I've done forum profile spam, spun plr spam on private networks, massive article distribution, blog comment spam... I've tested it all I think. At least 20% usually shows up in the backlink checkers without doing anything. If I mash some RSS feeds, build more trashy links at those trashy links, etc, normally 45-60% show up.

Yup. We have folks all the time thanking us one second for getting them to page one and then in the next sentence complain that none of the links were showing up in the link checkers. I have never been able to figure out this type of thinking though. Who cares how many links show up. What matters are the serps bad only the serps.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Most quantity style links do not show up in rank tracking software. So it is very possible this individual has been rocking it out. I know our links do not show up.

Pure crapola. There is nothing anywhere that indicates that quality links in particular do not show much up in crawl databases. Anyone that spends any time doing research with a backlink checker will see countless high authority and high PR backlinks in multiple serps. If a lot of your links don't show up its because they are not getting crawled in a disproportionate manner because of low quality. True, Google does not report links much and every database leaves off links but it is not a quality isn't reported much issue. Thats pure and utter bunk. IF that were the case then PR ZEROs and N/As would show up easily and so services that use low or no authority links would show up IN DROVES.

There are only a few legitimate reasons that explain it - redirects, weak serps, a few high quality backlinks that didn't show up (by luck of the draw or because most databases are woefully inadequate now since Yahoo is pulling their API) because there are just a few (and with quality it can just be a few to cause a ranking).

Like paul said we don't know the serp. It could be a weak term. We have people getting first page rankings in weak serps all the time even with article directories and forum profiles plenty of which are not indexed. Some serps are just that weak.

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LiamP 13 years ago

Mike he's agreeing with you. Matt said "quantity", not "quality".
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Clyde

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Most quantity style links do not show up in rank tracking software. So it is very possible this individual has been rocking it out. I know our links do not show up. Yet we still rock the rankings.

I don't think that's the case though, OP said he iframe'd the actual landing page so the URL that ranked #1 doesn't have any content, and seems like they have 3x BLD probably from 3 other URL's 301'ed to this domain and passing juice.

Need to test this out though.

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singhmanish251

13 years ago

I wanted to know whether its possible for me to rank no 1 considering the competition...any idea?

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alistair 13 years ago

Yeah, see if you can buy his site.
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- singhmanish251 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by alistair
  
  Yeah, see if you can buy his site.
  
  I dont have enough capital to buy his site
  
  I would rather build new one and beat the **** out of his So wanted to know my chances:confused:
  
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lovboa

Banned 13 years ago

That's Matt Cutt's affiliate site

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outwest

13 years ago

zero backlinks to Page showing
zero onpage SEO, hmmmmm
some type of redirect or cloaking trickery?

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2stroke

13 years ago

It depends on what he is ranking for. Are you checking a long tail keyword? You may be looking at a list of the closest matches to the keyword you are using.

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paulgl 13 years ago

I don't know why people waste their time in threads like this.
Completely useless. We know nothing about the site, it's
love, authority, relevance for search, etc. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

I mean come on. This thread will rank for some sentence.
So what? PR n/a, no backlinks, nothing.

Who gives a rip?!?!?

Oh, that's a good title:

Why the F*&^ do people go in for this BS?

Nobody knows the answer to the OP's question, nor should anybody
really give a rat's hat.

I don't know where you people get all this time to do this crapola.

But wait there's more! Anyone with 4 sig links to same site, .in,
well....what more is there to be said.

But look at the convo that gets started. It morphs into some
craziness about backlinks, quantity, quality, etc.

Oh and even buying the friggin' site!?!?!? Then some bit about
the site must be worth zillions! Well a site does not get to be
worth zillions on air and fantasy.

Originally Posted by singhmanish251

I dont have enough capital to buy his site

Paul
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blackhawkup

Banned 13 years ago

I've done forum profile spam, spun plr spam on private networks, massive article distribution, blog comment spam... I've tested it all I think. At least 20% usually shows up in the backlink checkers without doing anything. If I mash some RSS feeds, build more trashy links at those trashy links, etc, normally 45-60% show up.

Wow, seriously...that sounds like a good way to not build a sustainable business that will last...not that you said you were trying to do that. but imho why not choose quality links (in which you need less of) and awesome on page seo (which takes no time at all to implement) to knock your competition out of the park.

with all of those spam links..most never get through and then the majority that will get through they are down within a week or too..

forcing you to constantly work at building thousands of backlinks each day to keep your ranks??? counterproductive.

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Rich Jackson

Wow, seriously...that sounds like a good way to not build a sustainable business that will last...not that you said you were trying to do that. but imho why not choose quality links (in which you need less of) and awesome on page seo (which takes no time at all to implement) to knock your competition out of the park.

with all of those spam links..most never get through and then the majority that will get through they are down within a week or too..

forcing you to constantly work at building thousands of backlinks each day to keep your ranks??? counterproductive.

Rich, you completely missed the point. I didn't say that I was doing those things now, nor did I advocate them. I have tested those techniques in the past though. Some of them I did use on a regular basis years ago.

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jameskahon

13 years ago

Can I join the excitement here? What is the keyword?

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UMS

13 years ago

Without knowing that the URL is, we can only make wild guesses.

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

Paul is right (although he needs to take his pressure medication) this site could be ranking for a perfectly weak term - means nothing if we don't know what the deal is. For all we know the site might have links with 301 directs and the like.
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MaverickUK

13 years ago

Mike, I somehow don't think that's what Matt was trying to say. Were you reading another post to me, possibly from another planet?

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

Mike, I somehow don't think that's what Matt was trying to say. Were you reading another post to me, possibly from another planet?

Fair enough Mav I read that wrong but in fact that wasn't from another planet. We really are not in agreement either way. We've discussed this issue before and there is always a tendency to trump up some fake tendency of backlink checking services. Whether its quantity or quality it really is still malarkey. There is no indication that there are any kind of links that does not show up in a backlink count. You can see forum links (which are very low quality) showing up all over the place too. article directory links show up as well. I spend a considerable amount of time in serps and see ALL kinds of links. There is one reason when you use this or that kind of link you don't see it crawled much and that relates to it being crawled. Now that relates to another kind of factor only loosely in regard to quality that is entirely different (navigation and content) where the crawlers can't find the links.

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MaverickUK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Fair enough Mav I read that wrong but in fact that wasn't from another planet. We really are not in agreement either way. We've discussed this issue before and there is always a tendency to trump up some fake tendency of backlink services. Whether its quantity or quality it really is still malarkey. There is no indication that there are any kind of links that does not show up in a backlink count. You can see forum links showing up all over the place too. article directory links show up as well. I spend a considerable amount of time in serps and see ALL kinds of links. There

is one reason when you use this or that kind of link you don't see it crawled much and that relates to it being crawled. Now that relates to another kind of factor only loosely in regard to quality that is entirely different (navigation and content) where the crawlers can't find the links.

Ah right I see where you're coming from now, sorry for the rash words, if you can call them that :p in my own experience I've noticed there are no types of links, high pr, low quality or otherwise that have tendencies to show or not show in various backlink checkers or such.

I'm yet to build a site that has 10 or so backlinks that won't show at least one backlink - all my personal experiences of course.

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singhmanish251

13 years ago

Well, I cant reveal the keyword..as I was thinking to jump in this niche. I can give you an outline

The keyword has around 4k searches a month and its a 2 word keyword... and that has a product on CB which has around 110$ per sale commission ...

The guy has just copy pasted the landing page and has added the affiliate link to the CB product.....

Has just 7 backlinks accoring to backlinkwatch
8 backlinks according to Site Explorer

Has a backlink from an article from it.finance.yahoo.com(PR 6) :O
Has a backlink from Youtube Channel. (PR 6)
other backlinks are just pr 2 or pr 1

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Clyde

13 years ago

^^ What about the 301 redirects? Use OSE to check.

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singhmanish251 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Clyde

^^ What about the 301 redirects? Use OSE to check.

I dont have a pro account in OSE...So not able to find 301 redirect link
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