LOL. Permanent ON page PR links and you wouldn't be interested??

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Funny stuff. I saw a guy here on WF recently willing to give PR links (not forum profile, not senuke blast, not blog comment but a real honest to goodness in context link) just for well written articles.

So far he doesn't seem to have much takers. Then a question hit me

Is this board really so into spamming that they don't know the benefit of having real authority links like this one? I mean had the guy dropped in and siad $5 for 200 blog comments he would have had a rush of PMs.

So let me ask straight out. IF a service could give you Authority links that would NOT roll off the authority page (lets say pageranked page) are you telling me you couldn't be bothered if you had to write an article or pay someone $5 or less to have one written?
#interested #links #lol #page #permanent
  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    Must have missed it because I would have definitely pounced on that sh... offer. Was it in the WSO?
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Funny stuff. I saw a guy here on WF recently willing to give PR links (not forum profile, not senuke blast, not blog comment but a real honest to goodness in context link) just for well written articles.

    So far he doesn't seem to have much takers. Then a question hit me

    Is this board really so into spamming that they don't know the benefit of having real authority links like this one? I mean had the guy dropped in and siad $5 for 200 blog comments he would have had a rush of PMs.

    So let me ask straight out. IF a service could give you Authority links that would NOT roll off the authority page (lets say pageranked page) are you telling me you couldn't be bothered if you had to write an article or pay someone $5 or less to have one written?

    Most things I have seen in the internet marketing world deal with spamming the internet

    I try and try to help people understand that spamming isn't the way to go, but that doesn't stop WSO's and other methods teaching people to use them.

    I personally would do this, if the website would actually bring me traffic. If there was no way that traffic would come to my website, then I probably would skip it. Yes I understand ranking in the search engines = traffic, but I prefer to focus on backlink methods that actually build traffic from the place where the backlink is located.

    Great post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

      I personally would do this, if the website would actually bring me traffic. If there was no way that traffic would come to my website, then I probably would skip it. Yes I understand ranking in the search engines = traffic, but I prefer to focus on backlink methods that actually build traffic from the place where the backlink is located.
      I just responded to that kind of thinking in the post where you proposed it and I think its terribly short sighted. Essentially you have bottled yourself into a false world where anything that does not immediately lead to traffic is not something that you think is worthy.

      Truth is most of the traffic on the internet is earned in some way by doing something other than getting direct traffic. Top sites with mad traffic are not going to just give you traffic links. You will generally have to work some system, promotion or contacts that is NOT a direct traffic link. With Google still in the top three for traffic that involves getting links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I just responded to that kind of thinking in the post where you proposed it and I think its terribly short sighted. Essentially you have bottled yourself into a false world where anything that does not immediately lead to traffic is not something that you think is worthy.

        Truth is most of the traffic on the internet is earned in some way by doing something other than getting direct traffic. Top sites with mad traffic are not going to just give you traffic links. You will generally have to work some system, promotion or contacts that is NOT a direct traffic link. With Google still in the top three for traffic that involves getting links.
        Again, I didn't say links are a bad thing I still think backlinking is important. I just think the majority of marketers are doing it incorrectly, hence why we hear so many people whining about not making money.

        I'm not against backlinks, because building traffic can also mean building backlinks. I'm just saying that they should be a primary focus.

        I'm not some guru, nor do I want to be, but I can say in my experience, focusing on traffic has done much more for me than anything else out there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

          hence why we hear so many people whining about not making money.

          I'm not against backlinks, because building traffic can also mean building backlinks. I'm just saying that they should be a primary focus.
          You are correct with the major factor being traffic but you are making parallels that don't necessarily line up. People don't make money usually for three reasons

          A) they really have nothing to offer.
          B) they don't want to work for success. they would rather buy a short cut training or a shortcut piece of software
          C) their online presence stinks both in content and or presentation.

          Backlinks to a quality site with a quality offer wipes out your objections since every month the traffic will grow and grow and grow with both incoming traffic from google and repeat traffic. You can pretend if you wish that you can just drop links on pages with instant consistent traffic to your site but we both know its false even if you deny its a pretense. Social based traffic is capable of doing it in fits and starts but the conversions are not all that fantastic and its hit or miss. Besides that you either buy the traffic or nickle and dime traffic with forum signatures and blog comments etc.

          Not wanting to have backlinks that help you put your traffic link from google search results front and center is just silly. Google still in the top three for traffic no matter what you claim. It may tickle your ego to think you kow something that others don't but its just a tickle not a reality,

          SEO with good backlinks to a great site with a great offer is a killer strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I see the value of in content links, but what makes that any different than EZA, besides EZA having tougher restrictions on getting approved?




    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Funny stuff. I saw a guy here on WF recently willing to give PR links (not forum profile, not senuke blast, not blog comment but a real honest to goodness in context link) just for well written articles.

    So far he doesn't seem to have much takers. Then a question hit me

    Is this board really so into spamming that they don't know the benefit of having real authority links like this one? I mean had the guy dropped in and siad $5 for 200 blog comments he would have had a rush of PMs.

    So let me ask straight out. IF a service could give you Authority links that would NOT roll off the authority page (lets say pageranked page) are you telling me you couldn't be bothered if you had to write an article or pay someone $5 or less to have one written?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      EZA give you links with on page PR, low links on page and limited links on the whole domain? tell on Brother Yukon. Plus last time I checked EZa stuck your links at the end not in the article itself. Don't you know all this stuff? then how could you even ask such a newb question?


      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I see the value of in content links, but what makes that any different than EZA, besides tougher restrictions on getting approved?
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        EZA give you links with on page PR, low links on page and limited links on the whole domain? tell on Brother Yukon. Plus last time I checked EZa stuck your links at the end not in the article itself. Don't you know all this stuff? then how could you even ask such a newb question?
        Lol, your entertaining.

        You always have these special little conditions that never appear until you can't back something up.

        Anyways...

        Who cares the link is in the last sentence (don't be that guy)?

        I could care less about EZA & I'm not promoting them, I'm all for build your own sites/links. Those EZA links (and your links) are for Google bots, they don't care If the link is at the top or bottom, as long as it exist on the page. You already should know this, it's simple seo.

        Is the anchor-text backlink found by Google (that would be yes)?



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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Lol, your entertaining.

          You always have these special little conditions that never appear until you can't back something up.

          ROFL. Special little conditions? because you didn't read the OP? You funny man. Read the OP. Talks about an offer where the guy is giving on PAGe PR links. I listed four different things that are different and your only come back is some foolishness about links at the bottom of the page getting indexed. The rest you couldn't even touch and we all know why. Yo yukon - Social bookmarks and some forum profiles etc etc get indexed too. Too silly.


          EZA does not give you a link with existing PR (for SEO homework look up pagerank)
          EZA does not limit the amount of links on a page (For Further SEO homework look up OBL)

          Sheesh go learn some SEO and learn to read. The links I am referring to are not my own as you claim but someone else.

          In short again There is no comparison between the two unless you are a newb pretending to know SEO
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I see the value of in content links, but what makes that any different than EZA, besides EZA having tougher restrictions on getting approved?
      • Domain Diversity
      • Relevancy
      • Page Authority
      • Referred traffic + Brand Exposure
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    I never ever read that forum, however your post has lead me to taking him up on his offer. I'll take a PR 4 (page) link any day for a few thousands words, hell yeah

    Also since when did EZA off on-page PR from the moment you make a post?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Also since when did EZA off on-page PR from the moment you make a post?
      You mean you don't have to build backlinks to your EZA pages anymore? They are all PR4s?
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Oh... I read his post again. Maybe I won't be taking him up on his offer -_-
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Oh... I read his post again. Maybe I won't be taking him up on his offer -_-
      Too hard?
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    I liked his offer until I read that the PR 1-4 isn't a guarantee. I can build backlinks to my own backlinks on my own :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      I liked his offer until I read that the PR 1-4 isn't a guarantee. I can build backlinks to my own backlinks on my own :p

      I am reading that differently

      They are between PR 1-4 depending on the niche.
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      • Domain Diversity
      • Relevancy
      • Page Authority
      • Referred traffic + Brand Exposure
      All kinds of differences between basically syndication to multiple authority sites and article directory submissions but as the OP Title suggested there are just some people completely clueless and even hostile to anything but their MFA backlinking strategies.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      I liked his offer until I read that the PR 1-4 isn't a guarantee. I can build backlinks to my own backlinks on my own :p
      Exactly!

      Why would anyone write an article when they can get PR5-6 backlinks without an article, all day long?

      You guys must like work, lol?

      I have enough things to do besides pumping out articles.

      Besides, you will not get a PR1-4 link, you'll get a PR0 at best, If your new article is the only article/link on the page. How are you going to give out PR1-4 backlink when the page doesn't even exist yet?

      C'mon now use the Ole' noggin.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Exactly!

        Why would anyone write an article when the can get PR5-6 backlinks without an article, all day long?

        You guys must like work, lol?
        You complain about spam but to me nonsens posts like that are far worse than the spammers. Get PR5 and 6 backlinks all day long without work? Yeah sure read here "blog comment spam" all day long. Pure and utter garbage evangelized by the lazy to fool the gullible. I'll smoke ANY serp you are in with your blog comments. In fact I'll up the ante. I'll pay A $100 to anyone that can show me where just your PR5 and PR 6 backlinks "that you can get all day long" ranks a site for a very competitive top serp (but I get to pick what is competitive since its my money and I won't allow any "50.000 competing pages" nonsense criteria). this kind of stuff junks up the boards fr more than spammers and some of us are tired of it. Put it to the test.

        How are you going to give out PR1-4 backlink when the page doesn't even exist yet?

        C'mon now use the Ole' noggin.
        only wish you would because you are being absolutely clueless.

        A) you can create articles on a page that already has PR, Its embarassing to have to tell someone who should know that blogs work far more like CMS when setup without various one side content the other side sidebar layout themes and that people have links and PR on pages that are CATEGORY and FEATURED related. Sheesh:rolleyes:, Talk about using the noggin. This is elementary Wordpress 101 stuff.

        B) A new page CAN have real PR. Also embarassing to have to tell someone who supposed to know SEO that PR is constantly updated on Google's end even when it is not updated in the tool bar. Even SEO newbs know that toolbar PR is only up todate on the day the PR is updated and real PR changes EVERY day after that constantly.

        So if you have a PR 4 home page thats one page and you create a link to another page in navigation that new page will have PR (1, 2 and sometimes even PR3) THE VERY NEXT TIME THE SITE IS CRAWLED. Where it may have very little to speak of is on a site with a ton load of links and navigation (cough cough like cough cough article directories)

        But hey don't mind us go charge for make money online or some great and competitive serp with your PR5 and PR6s all day long links. thing is I am not seeing that in any competitive serps because its pure Baloniii.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

          You complain about spam but to me nonsens posts like that are far worse than the spammers.
          Why is it always about you, lol.

          Again (I love it! ) your conditional comments, everything anyone post always triggers silly conditions to your seo theories.




          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

          Get PR5 and 6 backlinks all day long without work? Yeah sure read here "blog comment spam" all day long. Pure and utter garbage evangelized by the lazy to fool the gullible. I'll smoke ANY serp you are in with your blog comments. In fact I'll up the ante. I'll pay A $100 to anyone that can show me where just your PR5 and PR 6 backlinks "that you can get all day long" ranks a site for a very competitive top serp (but I get to pick what is competitive since its my money and I won't allow any "50.000 competing pages" nonsense criteria). this kind of stuff junks up the boards fr more than spammers and some of us are tired of it. Put it to the test.

          only wish you would because you are being absolutely clueless.


          A) you can create articles on a page that already has PR, Its embarassing to have to tell someone who should know that blogs work far more like CMS when setup without various one side content the other side sidebar layout themes and that people have links and PR on pages that are CATEGORY and FEATURED related. Sheesh:rolleyes:, Talk about using the noggin. This is elementary Wordpress 101 stuff.

          B) A new page CAN have real PR. Also embarassing to have to tell someone who supposed to know SEO that PR is constantly updated on Google's end even when it is not updated in the tool bar. Even SEO newbs know that toolbar PR is only up todate on the day the PR is updated and real PR changes EVERY day after that constantly.

          So if you have a PR 4 home page thats one page and you create a link to another page in navigation that new page will have PR (1, 2 and sometimes even PR3) THE VERY NEXT TIME THE SITE IS CRAWLED. Where it may have very little to speak of is on a site with a ton load of links and navigation (cough cough like cough cough article directories)

          But hey don't mind us go charge for make money online or some great and competitive serp with your PR5 and PR6s all day long links. thing is I am not seeing that in any competitive serps because its pure Baloniii.
          If a guy sucks at getting easy high PR backlinks without spamming, well, that's their own fault for not learning how to do seo on their own.

          I have an idea, since that's all that's being bounced around here, how about you test your own theories & get back with us on how that worked out.

          Whatever happend to that last WF seo thread, when all you had to do was spam another site with backlinks to sink them in the SERPs, that theory never panned out either did it (didn't think so). :rolleyes:

          Finish/Test one theory before starting another...

          I kinda understand what's going on here since your learning seo from Matt Cutts (here). You can disbelieve what I'm telling you all you need, but I'll tell you straight up Matt Cutts doesn't have your best interest in mind when he creates his silly videos. Those videos are not about seo, no matter how much you want them to be. Just a heads up.

          BTW, You won't smoke anything, we both know that.

          Take some time one day & do your own real seo testing, instead of taking shortcuts & getting others to do it for you. I would like to think were all here to help each other with seo, but a guy has to be willing help himself before asking others for help.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post


            Whatever happend to that last WF seo thread, when all you had to do was spam another site with backlinks to sink them in the SERPs,
            Still ongoing but it wasn't mine and you know it. I would have done a blast to it which was never done . Nice try at lying like it was my thread or I was doing the blasting. What does that have to do with this topic again?

            The rest of your post is just tired nonsense . I learn nothing from Matt Cutts without testing and you don't know anything about getting high quality links outside of spam blog comments or you wouldn't state that writing an article was tooo hard . What? you really think anyone here is stupid enough to believe your PR5 and PR6 all day that takes no work comment besides blasting blog comments? LOL. everyone can see through that malarkey but dance with it some more if you think you are fooling anyone..

            Why in the world would someone build site content & give it away for free, that's nuts when they could just build their own backlink site, that won't get deleted
            LOL that has got to be one of the silliest arguments I have ever read on these forums. How are these "backlink sites" going to even be found by Google with no exterior links pointing at them??? ROFL. Even with your own network you STILL are reliant on links from other sites to build up juice. Think man. use the noggin like you said. Sooner or later you need SOMEWHERE in the process a link back to your site from another person's property. Your little lousy content means nothing without those links. Any and everything can go away even and especially those blog comments you love so much.

            Anyone noticed how silly the he's trying to sell his services argument is now? If I were just selling I'd agree with Yukon since building your own backlinks sites is all that is my sig.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
    But guests posts are PR 0 or N/A? They go on the first page of the blog for a while then they drop out when new posts are made and the actual post itself will have no PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Lyanna View Post

      But guests posts are PR 0 or N/A? They go on the first page of the blog for a while then they drop out when new posts are made and the actual post itself will have no PR.

      That may be the case here but I often wonder why people think that posts have to roll off page one to a page with no PR.

      A) this is 2011 and wordpress blogs can have all kinds of layouts and pages
      B) a post one hop away from say a PR3 is going to still have PR as long as there are not thousands of pages on the site.

      Of course you have to realize the difference between toolbar PR and realtime PR. If you have say a PR 4 blog and you create navigation to another second page today the next time the site is crawled that page is going to have PR even though there may have been no toolbar update.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Because the link will be on the front page, for a while at least. He is paying people to write content for his site by paying with a backlink - from what it reads. Even an inner-page on a well designed site will have PR flowing to it...

    It is a great opportunity for a decent link.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    I'm with Mike Anthony on this one. Backlinks from guest posts published on blogs with high PR and low posting frequency are phenomenal. The conventional blog nav. will ensure juice flows internally and in many instances my guest posts have increased in PR which translates to a permanent high PR contextual link.

    I have even paid blog owners who publish one post per week to have my guest post published on their blogs and the money was certainly well spent because those posts now have PR.

    I do believe PR is updated within a week or two on Google's end.

    I personally would have had the mindset of others who believe guest posts are a waste of time but last year I was a full-time freelance writer and I had a client who paid me $50 to write and submit guest posts on his behalf i.e. $50/guest post approved. Now, I was completely bewildered why this client was paying me $50 to write simple articles and propose them to blogs until I went and looked at the keywords he was targeting in these posts... he had first page rankings for most of the keywords he was targeting and his sole SEO strategy was guest posting and blog commenting.... this is when I realized the power of guest posts and suffice to say it is now an integral part of my own SEO strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      I'm with Mike Anthony on this one. Backlinks from guest posts published on blogs with high PR and low posting frequency are phenomenal. The traditional blog nav. will ensure juice flows internally and in many instances my guest posts have increased in PR which translates to a permanent high PR contextual link.
      Not to mention you NEVER have to worry about a competitor reporting you should you get into the top on a mucho money serp. Guest posting is syndication which google will not tank as spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Not to mention you NEVER have to worry about a competitor reporting you should you get into the top on a mucho money serp. Guest posting is syndication which google will not tank as spam.
        Your so smart man, no wonder your always right 100% of the time and everyone is wrong.

        Personally, i take all the information you give out with a grain of salt. I actually laugh when I read your posts.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

          I actually laugh when I read your posts.
          more power to you man. I only hope I give back as much comedy as I have received
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Mike are you serious about the $100 offer? I'm on my way to an 18,000 exact match term and wouldn't mind a cool $100 when i reach the first page, hopefully before Christmas. I do however tend to agree with some aspects of what you are saying.

    I have a PR 3 domain and each and every page that is listed on my website has at least a pagerank of 2 or higher, however there are many variables that dictates this. Are you not just assuming too much in regards to the persons who's blog(s) were referring to?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Mike are you serious about the $100 offer? I'm on my way to an 18,000 exact match term and wouldn't mind a cool $100 when i reach the first page, hopefully before Christmas. I do however tend to agree with some aspects of what you are saying.
      Christmas? My Green bills would like a new home within the next 30-60 days but 18,000 exact doesn't really mean highly competitive so beware your claim to a new home for my Paypal $100 is not necessarily yours. I judge competitive by the first page not any of that other made up stuff sellers have created to make it look like their stuff works for "competitive" terms.

      I have a PR 3 domain and each and every page that is listed on my website has at least a pagerank of 2 or higher, however there are many variables that dictates this. Are you not just assuming too much in regards to the persons who's blog(s) were referring to?

      Not really. I am not pretending to know how his sites are setup. I am more responding to the overall ideas that people are trying to claim regarding what must be. Like you yourself have seen with navigation new pages can in fact get PR and they get them long before the toolbar updates .
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    • Hi,

      Here's another concept I'd like to throw out there:

      Unique high PR homepage content with backlinks under a well aged domain with a niche and keyword-relevant domain name. How to get these homepage content pages with backlinks under these domains?

      1. Google each of your target keywords and take note of the top ten competing pages...

      2. Use SEOQuake to view PR of each competing page, then use SEO SpyGlass to gather backlink portfolio details of each competing page. SEO SpyGlass will give you the number of backlinks pointing to those competing pages, URLs of linking pages, keyword anchors of those backlinks, PR of linking pages, number and URLs of outbound links on each linking page, Alexa rank of domains where those linking pages are found, and IPs of those domains...

      3. Outdo the backlink portfolios of each of your competitors for each of your target keywords. You can do the following steps:

      3.1. Find a tool that will provide you with a list of expired and deleted domains with niche and keyword-relevant domain names, including current PR, expiration or deletion date and first registration date. There are lots of these tools out there, and Google will point you to a good set of tools...

      3.2. Gather backlink portfolio details of the expired and deleted domains you chose. You can use SEO SpyGlass. This tool, as mentioned above, will give you the number of backlinks pointing to the domain, URLs of linking pages, PR of linking pages, keyword anchors of those backlinks, number and URLs of outbound links on each linking page, Alexa rank of domains where those linking pages are found, and IPs of those domains...

      3.3. Once you zone in on a list of good domains and have validated their PRs and backlink portfolios: Register them, though keep in mind that Google can see registrant details even with whois guard...

      3.4. Get VPS hosting and unique IPs. Attach a unique IP to each of those domains...

      3.5. Install a Wordpress instance and upload good Wordpress themes and Wordpress plugins to each of the directories of those Wordpress instances dedicated to each of those domains...

      3.6. Write unique homepage content with backlinks and useful info, advice, tips, strategies and techniques contextually relevant to your target keywords for each of those Wordpress sites. Use SEOPressor to get recommendations regarding the overall SEO of each homepage, and don't forget to use a combination of your target keywords in H1s/titles, H2s, H3s and H4s of those homepages. These can even be the anchors of your backlinks...

      3.7. Develop a brief 1 to 2-minute introductory video for each of those Wordpress sites and post them on the homepage. You could upload them to Youtube and just embed them on your Wordpress sites. Remember to write a good, SEOd title and enter your target keywords as the tags of those videos. Google loves media-rich sites and pages...

      3.8. Start marketing a similar offer being discussed here, i.e. For guest authoring arrangements, for free backlinks for the guest authors, and free, unique content for you, now the owner of those sites with high PR homepages under well aged domains with niche and keyword-relevant domain names. Your customers will update your websites with unique content, and some will even build backlinks for their guest posts and pages on your websites...

      Just wanted to add a different, relevant angle to the discussion here...
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    And just to add Mike... The guy offering the service is getting 3000+ words whilst the person getting the link is potentially getting a backlink on a PR 1 domain, which means you won't get a PR 1 page right off the bat.

    I can guarantee that most people can get a lot more value if they spent the time they potentially had writing articles instead gaining lower pagerank backlinks pointing to their already existing backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      And just to add Mike... The guy offering the service is getting 3000+ words whilst the person getting the link is potentially getting a backlink on a PR 1 domain, which means you won't get a PR 1 page right off the bat.
      A) I see him saying minimum 400 words. Where are you coming up with 3000+
      B) he specifically states that it depends on niche not that it is arbitrary and to PM him so I assume you would know what the Pr is before writing for it. Guy seems to have a mix of domains with different PRs and wants content. Perfectly natural.

      Unless you have Pmed him your are just making up things that are not in the offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        A) I see him saying minimum 400 words. Where are you coming up with 3000+
        B) he specifically states that it depends on niche not that it is arbitrary and to PM him so I assume you would know what the Pr is before writing for it. Guy seems to have a mix of domains with different PRs and wants content. Perfectly natural.

        Unless you have Pmed him your are just making up things that are not in the offer.
        Well judging by the sentence; "At least 400+ word good-high quality unique content on the topics of" blah blah blah, I assumed he wanted a post for each and every topic. It looks that way to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    I thought we were talking in the context of this particular persons blogs, guess not. The first page is highly competitive I can assure you that, I will let you know more details later today and see if it fits in with your criteria. It's almost 7am and I haven't slept yet, I think I'm starting to lose the plot.

    I won't say no to $100 Christmas beer money!

    Whilst I'd love to give your bills a new home sooner, but unfortunately I've got far too many other keywords that need to be dealt with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      I thought we were talking in the context of this particular persons blogs, guess not.
      We are

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

      Where does he say 3,000 words?
      He states clearly the Pr is based on the niche not arbitrary.
      and he states the sites PRESENTLY have the PR that he is referring to. He does say he will build them up as well but you are reading that like they don't presently have PR.

      and very comeptitive? If I had a dime for everytime I heard that in regard to some mediocre term I would be weighed down with dimes. Get some sleep man. I had a nap earlier this evening so I am wide eyed


      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Well judging by the sentence; "At least 400+ word good-high quality unique content on the topics of" blah blah blah, I assumed he wanted a post for each and every topic. It looks that way to me.
      read man. States clearly two links per article and you submit as many articles as you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Lol. I did tell you I was losing the plot. I think I'll go sleep now.

    I assumed he wanted one article per niche, in return we could get two links on a given article. But that doesn't make sense - reading when it's way past your bed time can become ridiculously inaccurate lol.

    One last thing though, I know a lot of people on these forums throw the term "competitive" around very loosely, but that's not the case for everyone here. Some of us do have a small clue as to what were talking about, but I wouldn't expect you to believe that - at least not on here

    Unless my post was on a PR 3 or 4 donain that is laid out well and with the navigation set out 'correctly', I'd prefer to backlink an EZA article personally. But each to his own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      One last thing though, I know a lot of people on these forums throw the term "competitive" around very loosely, but that's not the case for everyone here. Some of us do have a small clue as to what were talking about, but I wouldn't expect you to believe that - at least not on here
      .
      Fair enough Mav. I'll keep my paypal account at the ready.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    I may not have years of seo experience like some of you in this thread, but in my short time learning SEO and building my niche site, I found the most valuable backlinks were from the sites that were ranking on first page of my keyword. Of course, I was only able to backlink to 1-2 top ranked sites for my keyword...but the results were amazing. Even if they were no-follow.

    In a Google Q&A (which is where I first got the bright idea to backlink on higher ranking site), Matt Cutts even said that if a site ranking higher than yours is linking to your site, Google will look at your site as equivalent value.

    Of course, being able to actually stick a backlink on the top ranked sites is very difficult (either they will have comments disabled or won't approve it). But if that is what op is offering, I don't know what all this nay-saying is about.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by lovboa View Post

      I may not have years of seo experience like some of you in this thread....
      You don't need years of experience to become fluent in SEO. Just put what you learn into practice and in no time you will know much more than the information sponges who never implement what they learn
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by lovboa View Post

      Of course, being able to actually stick a backlink on the top ranked sites is very difficult (either they will have comments disabled or won't approve it). But if that is what op is offering, I don't know what all this nay-saying is about.
      YEP not even blog comments but full out posts with two links within a great deal of context. The nay saying reminds me of the good old days of telling people that forum profiles were going to get very weak as a linking technique. Most of the board now sees how that turned out but people got seething angry at the facts (especially sellers).

      Pure BlueFartters and Lazy SEO people ( a lot of kids in that group too which is understandable) get very upset when you bring up other strategies. I dunno maybe they think it indicts their techniques or they want to live in a fantasy world where everything is easy with the push of a button. So they stay in weak competition terms so they can think thats all there is or should be and believe their laziness is really brilliance.

      In this case its just silly. You can have a well written article for as little as five dollars, get a link that Google is far less likely to discount and because its real content is unlikely to be deleted as spam by the blog owner. . or you can spend it on list of profile links ala Angela :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Just looking at a couple of guests posts I did a couple of months ago on some high PR blogs.

    One was on a PR4 blog (homepage PR) and my article already has PR3 after two or three months.

    One was on a PR5 blog and now my article also has PR5! That's in less than 3 months.

    So I'll take that any day. What I AM a bit sceptical about is the impact this has had on my money site's rankings, but I'll take the long-term view for now...
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Mike, I agree that this should be a part of everyone's SEO strategy, getting articles with backlinks on high-PR blogs. I would find it surprising that anyone thought that was time wasted. Give me a few contextual backlinks on high-PR blogs over a 1000-directory AMR blast any day.

    I am just guessing the lack of takers is due to there being a lot of choice out there. You can pretty much put an article (albeit spun) onto Authority Link Network for a similar bunch of PR backlinks, or use some of the paying blog networks - maybe this network (if that is what it is) just doesn't seem anything special with the sites going as low as PR1. Personally, I can always find a ton of guest blogging opportunities in my niche/s just by Googling for them, often on PR5, 6 domains, so I just feel my time is best spent there (though those kinds of blogs require a higher quality of article too).
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    • Profile picture of the author VPNeOMan
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Mike, I agree that this should be a part of everyone's SEO strategy, getting articles with backlinks on high-PR blogs. I would find it surprising that anyone thought that was time wasted. Give me a few contextual backlinks on high-PR blogs over a 1000-directory AMR blast any day.
      Of course, it is better to use something else, along with articles. That is why I love linkwheels
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post


      Personally, I can always find a ton of guest blogging opportunities in my niche/s just by Googling for them, often on PR5, 6 domains, so I just feel my time is best spent there (though those kinds of blogs require a higher quality of article too).

      I got you and agree if you have those opportunities. But there's a big difference between saying that you have other opportunities to do guest blogging and trying to claim people are silly for writing articles to get quality links when they could be blog commenting :rolleyes:. You are on target . they are not.

      Like they are the same thing and Pr on a page is all that matters without regard to OBl and other factors. Such guidance just trashes up this whole joint and from the amount of people still not ranking after blog commenting it isn't even just a spam issue but of what doesn't work in competitive niches.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Interesting thread Mike, but...

        There's no guarantee of anything. You are spending your time,
        writing what should be a unique article, for someone you don't
        know, building their site, with no assurance it will stick around.

        Could be a complete waste of time, taken from time you could
        be adding to your own sites. I rehash my own articles for
        blog posts on my blog. Instant link, staying power, etc.

        I would not pay $5 for blog comments.

        I say it a lot. Work on your own stuff, 100% of the time. That's
        the only way to be assured of staying power for the long run.

        Building up someone's site is not my cup of tea. I don't do EZA
        either.

        The only thing that is 100% sure is your own links on your own
        sites/pages.

        If someone put a sack of trash in their driveway and put a "free"
        sign on it, would you pick it up because it's free?

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Interesting thread Mike, but...

          There's no guarantee of anything. You are spending your time,
          writing what should be a unique article, for someone you don't
          know, building their site, with no assurance it will stick around.
          True Paul but can't that be said for any link building technique and even more so? Don't have to tell me about building up your own stuff. I am the guy that recommends and teaches people how to build their own blog networks. Thats a pretty sure way your links won't be deleted But article directory links can go away, blog comment spam WILL go away, forum profiles are deleted, blog networks roll your links off the into oblivion and they can get deindexed as well etc etc. . Theres no assurances ANYTHING will stick around.

          but umm just hypothetically what if there were assurances (not guarantees)? Like say a system where if someone yanked a link they were likely to lose a lot of their links too?
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Interesting thread Mike, but...

          There's no guarantee of anything. You are spending your time,
          writing what should be a unique article, for someone you don't
          know, building their site, with no assurance it will stick around.

          Could be a complete waste of time, taken from time you could
          be adding to your own sites. I rehash my own articles for
          blog posts on my blog. Instant link, staying power, etc.

          I would not pay $5 for blog comments.

          I say it a lot. Work on your own stuff, 100% of the time. That's
          the only way to be assured of staying power for the long run.

          Building up someone's site is not my cup of tea. I don't do EZA
          either.

          The only thing that is 100% sure is your own links on your own
          sites/pages.

          If someone put a sack of trash in their driveway and put a "free"
          sign on it, would you pick it up because it's free?

          Paul
          That pretty much sums it up, Paul!

          Why in the world would someone build site content & give it away for free, that's nuts when they could just build their own backlink site, that won't get deleted. OP has no idea If those links will be around, the site could be flipped etc...

          Op, no doubt is pushing something he has an interest in, which is directly related to what OP sells on this forum. :rolleyes:

          Then OP has the nerve to tell other members they shouldn't have a banner in his thread. Dude this isn't a WSO, & you didn't pay $$ for this thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            That pretty much sums it up, Paul!

            Why in the world would someone build site content & give it away for free, that's nuts when they could just build their own backlink site, that won't get deleted. OP has no idea If those links will be around, the site could be flipped etc...

            Op, no doubt is pushing something he has an interest in, which is directly related to what OP sells on this forum. :rolleyes:

            Then OP has the nerve to tell other members they shouldn't have a banner in his thread. Dude this isn't a WSO, & you didn't pay $$ for this thread.
            Ok, excuse my ignorance here but I hardly see this being possible unless I've been around for awhile and have the resources to create and maintain my own sites. From what I've learned, to create content and link to my own sites I would need multiple hosting accounts, multiple domains, time to write for each site and build links to them. Last time I check that requires a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$

            I dont see how this is possible as a beginner.

            Are you guys saying you dont do ANY article marketing?

            What that guy is offering is a simple solution to those without the funds to find or pay for blog networks with high PR's. Even if I had to pay someone write an article and post it on a PR1-4 site then build links to it it would still be worth it for $4.

            Now of course the links wont stick forever on the main page and benefit from the home page link juice but I've not seen any blog network offer that either. He's essentially offering what a blog network offers.....but FREE. I dont have to pay to have access to a blog network with a PR1-4.

            How is this a bad thing?
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            • Profile picture of the author larkykid
              Hello,

              How is it determined that a backlink from a guest post on a high PR blog would be more valuable than a comment backlink on a similar high PR blog. Is it due to the fact that the link on the post is an in content link. Also, there's likely to be less OBL as far as where the guest post is placed retaining more link juice, would that be another reason?
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              • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                ...Theres no assurances ANYTHING will stick around.

                ....but umm just hypothetically what if there were assurances (not guarantees)? Like say a system where if someone yanked a link they were likely to lose a lot of their links too?
                Mike Anthony,

                You clearly pointing toward your upcoming service and there is a discernable motive other than what was mentioned in the OP. But regardless of your motives I think this thread and guest posting in particular has not received enough focus on the forum... this can still be an awesome thread if we stick to the subject of guest posting and the value it contributes to ones backlink profile.

                We all know anyone can rank for a low-med. term with an emd and some elbow grease but when looking at more competitive terms their needs to be a diverse profile of quality links. Guest posting offers just that but please do not write-off high PR blog commenting as this --when done right-- can and does add tremendous value and juice.

                When I mentioned my seo strategy on the forum to rank for competitive terms I pointed out that I use guest posts but that will never be enough to rank for competitive terms neither will the use of high PR blog comments on its own.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

                  Mike Anthony,

                  You clearly pointing toward your upcoming service and there is a discernable motive other than what was mentioned in the OP.
                  actually eleva its all there in the OP. I asked about services in general in the very last sentence of the OP .You can try to discern what you wish and swear in your mind you have it right. My question was not to point to my upcoming service for any sales purpose. It isn't even on the horizon. It was AS I STATED later related to some concern that something that had similarities to this would not be the place to even bother mentioning here at WF. So some marketing research based on there not being an interests here for that offer? Yes said so upfront with no attempt to hide anything as you imply. trying to point to a service that is not ready and which when ready this thread will be long dead? No. Please put away the mind reading gizmos.

                  I pointed to an entirely unrelated service to me. Why would I be pointing people to something else if my launch was around the corner? Would I be the first to get peoples idea about their interests in a thread so as to determine viability of other things? Nope. Programmers do it all the time and people actually put threads out for beta testers in THIS VERY Forum. NO I saw this guys offer and it intrigued me the lack of interest.

                  The wrinkle? I said there were SIMILARITIES but I can tell you now there would be huge differences too that I Know would not go over well here at all. so despite what anyone wished to think or swear they know for a fact this has been about basic concepts and not any service I am offering beyond me askign here and there some questions that yes do have some research factors.

                  and despite all the distortions my sig has nothing to do with any such service. Thats just made up garbage. Building a network is an ENTIRELY different matter. Meanwhile had I posted some study about blog comments and me ranking using them there would not have been half the outcry here if I even had a link to my blog offering Scrapebox. Why? because that follows the boards great love of link spam SEO so everyone would be fine with it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
                    Mike, I'll refrain from making assumptions but you and I know that marketing is a process!

                    Bottomline... guest posting on authority blogs is powerful and every respectable SEO firm includes guest posting in their strategy and as such it should be used as one piece of the ranking puzzle.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Bottomline... guest posting on authority blogs is powerful and every respectable SEO firm includes guest posting in their strategy and as such it should be used as one piece of the ranking puzzle.
                      Agreed no one has yet to say that it should be the only thing and further no one ever said it couldn't be used in connection with every other thing done here. Theres only one side saying that it has no logical place and that is not my side.

                      You don't work for Google so you can't say a site is PR this or that because you don't know the actual value and never will. Therefore, saying high PR pages rule is a flawed statement because you have no idea if they're really and/or still high PR.
                      Thats funny. Though no one knows for sure its pretty amazing how many SEOS do quite well in the serps calculating and getting high Pr, relevant in context links. Besides there are ways of determining present PR that though not exact do give you some indication but if I took the time to teach you everything you don't know about SEO this thread would end up being about 20 pages long just on that enormous challenge by itself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          I say it a lot. Work on your own stuff, 100% of the time. That's
          the only way to be assured of staying power for the long run.

          Building up someone's site is not my cup of tea. I don't do EZA
          either.
          Networking with your peers is a great way to not only build backlinks but to get a traffic source outside of Google. I've got no problem at all creating content for another site if I get good value in return.

          Referred targeted traffic can be worth more than just the backlink. Capture that traffic onto a mailing list or RSS feed and turn them into a return visitor.

          If the sites in the offer being discussed are getting decent front page traffic then I think it is worth trying to swing some traffic your way. The link is a bonus.

          The same with EZA: use it to network with people who like your content and pick and choose the people who will send you the bursts of traffic on top of the backlink.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

            Networking with your peers is a great way to not only build backlinks but to get a traffic source outside of Google. I've got no problem at all creating content for another site if I get good value in return.

            Referred targeted traffic can be worth more than just the backlink. Capture that traffic onto a mailing list or RSS feed and turn them into a return visitor.
            .
            Syndication has all kinds of opportunities that those who have never tried it don't know about. Thing about it is one of the chief detractors of it (in this thread ) biggest claim to fame is admitting to spending considerable time contributing to a third party site - wikipedia - just so that he can fake being a legitimate editor to place links from them.

            Yet here he is in this thread deriding the idea of people legitimately contributing to other sites rather than fraudulently. Its like a children's circus in here sometimes.:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Yeah, I would be very surprised if high-PR blog commenting would have the same impact as contextual high-PR blog article links, EVEN if the links stick, they are not nofollow, have keyword anchor text, and don't have 2000 other comments on the same page (preferably one or two at most). I am surprised Google gives these any weight at all, since they are one of the few types of links (along with profile links) that are PROVABLY self-serving, practically by definition. Not to say I don't do that type of "quality" blog commenting, but doubt they carry nearly as much clout as "a link on a PR6 page" 'sounds' like it ought to have.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    I see where you are coming from Paul, but the whole Google ranking system is founded on backlinks from sites you don't own, so how're you going to leverage that without SOME give and take with other site owners? Leveraging each other's resources to mutual benefit has to play some part.

    I agree though, a network like the one we are talking about is a bit of an unknown quantity to start investing quality content in, or whatever. Whether a $5 article would pass muster is another matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    All I have to say is, things that people will do to sell an ebook never cease to amuse me.

    We know you're the "expert" now. The only backlinks worthy of doing is the one you promote, amirite?

    I see you ridicule mattlaclear all the time, it amuses me because you guys are two of the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Clyde View Post

      All I have to say is, things that people will do to sell an ebook never cease to amuse me.
      .
      Another offended closet spammer who can't read? seems to be a trend . I don't sell an ebook and the direct offer that this thread talks about isn't even mine. You pimpin out that signature AND avatar just fine though right? (lol)
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Another offended closet spammer who can't read? seems to be a trend . I don't sell an ebook and the direct offer that this thread talks about isn't even mine. You pimpin out that signature AND avatar just fine though right? (lol)
        Come on, not everybody on here are stupid, we can see through your pitch-fest.

        Step 1: Make a thread ranting about spammy backlinks.
        Step 2: Offer a solution.
        Step 3: Solution "happens" to be in signature.

        and if people argue with you just challenge them to an SEO "battle" because they can never win because it will never happen, because most people have better things to do than SEO to win a petty $100.

        Did I get it right?

        I'm a closet spammer? Still can't beat your authority links right? and you'll teach me how to build them for $xxx but I'll need to PM you first because that thing is "invite-only".

        I'm out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Clyde View Post

          Come on, not everybody on here are stupid, we can see through your pitch-fest.
          Newsflash I have been around here longer than you and have had threads where I had no sig at all and disagreed with spamming where people got more upset than they have in this thread. I participated here for over a year with nothing, nada zip selling (even my detractors around long enough will tell you I am an argumentatitive equal opportunity debater with or without a sig) plus again learn to read. the solution offered and linked to IS NOT MINE. As for my sig 9 out of ten people in this thread do not have the money to build their own network. It is NOT the solution for most people.

          SO your only claim to fame is that I have a sig but guess what? - so do you (and considerably more tricked out for attention than mine - though I should get one too )so perhaps we know why you are attaching yourself to this thread with nothing of substance to say that relates to the actual subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Okay so there are some people who see the value?

    I was wondering because I am about to launch a service that has some of those benefits.

    No I saw it here not even a WSO

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

    Maybe its just the section he posted it in.
    Enough said.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Sure I am also doing some marketing research but what did I link to? My own solution or someone elses?

      BZZZZ . Someone else's.

      You have no point. See me have any opt in form to collect email addresses for any future services (like cough cough someone else....:rolleyes? Your own sig is pimped out and ready to go although you could have chosen to turn it off.


      Nuff said

      Now do you have anything to say on this subject or just want to derail it some more and get your sig out there in a popular thread?
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sure I am also doing some marketing research but what did I link to? My own solution or someone elses?

        BZZZZ . Someone else's.

        You have no point. See me have any opt in form to collect email addresses for any future services (like cough cough someone else....:rolleyes? Your own sig is pimped out and ready to go although you could have chosen to turn it off.


        Nuff said

        Now do you have anything to say on this subject or just want to derail it some more and get your sig out there in a popular thread?
        I paid for that sig. Why would I have it turned off when it's perfectly OK to have it on.

        What's not OK is starting a thread ridiculing something to pimp out your upcoming service, you did it so fast we couldn't even blink. You dropped it in your second post in this thread.

        Whatever you say is only backed by your egoistic tone, and people have smarten up to see through your BS.

        I'm outta here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Clyde View Post

          I paid for that sig. Why would I have it turned off when it's perfectly OK to have it on.

          What's not OK is starting a thread ridiculing something to pimp out your upcoming service,
          Come on Clyde stop with the dishonesty and get back to the thread topic. You have yet to add one single thing about the topic. Just one derail after another while pretending not to have the time to take up my $100 challenge. You like everyone else here uses their thread signature. You would hardly pay for an upgrade if you didn't use it for just the purpose you are now using it for by keeping it on. Pot meet kettle.

          I will point out any service I see fit to talk about and there is not a thing you can do about it. It was not my own service and I linked to none of my sites or services. My services will always line up with my beliefs and practices not the other way around no matter what you try to imply. The fact that I mentioned that if that were the case it would have an impact on what I planned to offer does not change any other fact in my OP. You will just have to deal with it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Clyde
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I will point out any service I see fit to talk about and there is not a thing you can do about it. It was not my own service and I linked to none of my sites or services. My services will always line up with my beliefs and practices not the other way around no matter what you try to imply. The fact that I mentioned that if that were the case it would have an impact on what I planned to offer does not change any other fact in my OP. You will just have to deal with it.
            Sure, and I'll just drop in once awhile to remind people that you're nothing but a snake-oil salesman, self-proclaimed "SEO Scientist".

            I got better things to do, it just sucks that the gullible will fall victim to your pitch without realizing it.

            When are you launching your service that's so awesome and has no flaws o' SEO-lord?

            Here's your logic:

            High PR incontextual backlinks are awesome because I'm about to launch a service that provides exactly that.

            Don't even get me started with you High PR homepage backlinks Terry Kyle wannabe's.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              When are you launching your service that's so awesome and has no flaws o' SEO-lord?
              Finally the recognition I deserve. . Although since it would involve quality over quantity it would not be for you I will make sure to let You , yukon and the rest of the gang know. No one has focused more in this thread on what I am doing or about to do more than you guys. You could be key in a fine publicity campaign. How many times now have you referred to my sig or service now? If only it were available. the check would be in the mail .

              High PR incontextual backlinks are awesome because I'm about to launch a service that provides exactly that.

              Don't even get me started with you High PR homepage backlinks Terry Kyle wannabe's.
              bzzzz, Wrong. Guess again neither this thread or any service has anything to do with homepage backlinks. sheesh not even close. This thread is about syndication if you had cared to participate in it rather than troll and hijack it.

              Terry's a good guy but even he wouldn't claim he invented SEO networks or homepage backlinks. Try a wider education in SEO. None of those started in WSOs or at any forum


              ...... and um easy on the wannabe accusations when openly trying to be a market samurai wannabe. Kind a looks hypocritical (again) especially since you admit that you owned and used their software and had the idea to allegedly improve on it. I never owned ANY of Terry's stuff or services and as far as I know (from websites and ads) he doesn't cover all that I do.
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              • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Finally the recognition I deserve. . Although since it would involve quality over quantity it would not be for you I will make sure to let You , yukon and the rest of the gang know. No one has focused more in this thread on what I am doing or about to do more than you guys. You could be key in a fine publicity campaign. How many times now have you referred to my sig or service now? If only it were available. the check would be in the mail .
                I wasn't arguing against your point, I use BMR on a daily basis.

                Just stating the obvious, you starting this thread to pre-sell your upcoming service.

                If you want to promote something, pay for it.

                You see that banner up there? Goes for $100/day.

                and that high PR homepage backlinks comment wasn't meant for you btw, I know you don't do blogroll links.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  I'm bored Clyde. I referred to another third party service entirely and will again if I feel like it. Theres nothing you can do about it. The fact that I subsequently mentioned that I was looking at that service wondering if it told me anything about one I was considering doing changes nothing. I am selling nothing of that nature here and may never. Fact none of you can change is that its directly about another offer and linked to another offer that is not mine. All some of you derailing guys have including unfortunately Eleva (but to be fair he is not a derailer) is your biased prejudicial mind reading suspicion. I posted the question and this thread because I thought it said something about what people valued and would value here and wanted to see if my suspicions were right. Don't give a rip about what you and Eleva et al want to think was in my head. When you get the world's first valid psychic license call me. Won't be buying the WSOs on that though

                  Here my man . proof positive - if you had any principle to stand on you would be arguing with this guy

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-software.html

                  whose doing nothing but market research himself and nothing else (not even pointing to any other service) but you haven't. Thats not a presell right? LOL. You are in fact happily hypocritically participating in that thread with no complaints because OBVIOUSLY the issue you really have here is what the thread is about and how you think it indicts your spammy ways.

                  Sorry man but your duplicity in that thread makes you as transparent as a clean thin piece of glass to anyone with half a brain.

                  Join the long line . Its the same ole same ole. Any time anyone mentions anything about some white hat legitimate techniques the spammers get all excited and start making accusations. Its happened whether I have had a sig or not. Those be the facts.
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  • Profile picture of the author GetKane
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kaneinsurance View Post

      As they say "those that can't...."

      .....do SEO try to promote insurance through an IM Forum"? .

      Anyway getting back on point that s exactly the issue. You have people wasting time running around building up post count on forums so they can drop links, doing blasts, paying $149 a month to senuke, paying for thousands of article directory blasts and if they just applied themselves they could build a real business with real rankings by concentrating on a little content creation like the offer referred to in this thread which is totally unrelated to me.

      if people argue with you just challenge them to an SEO "battle" because they can never win because it will never happen, because most people have better things to do than SEO to win a petty $100.
      Really? Is that why because I see ton loads of people who spend all kinds of time writing content endlessly for their MFA and can't make $100 in a month but they don't have the time to look in the serps and find one example of a truly top competitive term that ranks number one with spammy backlinks alone? Uh - huh sure. and in the entire time it took to write three off topic posts in this thread you didn't have the time instead to earn $100 and prove me wrong even though you would LOVE to?:rolleyes: You are right about one thing -

      Come on, not everybody on here are (or is) stupid
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterminding
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Funny stuff. I saw a guy here on WF recently willing to give PR links (not forum profile, not senuke blast, not blog comment but a real honest to goodness in context link) just for well written articles.

    So far he doesn't seem to have much takers. Then a question hit me

    Is this board really so into spamming that they don't know the benefit of having real authority links like this one? I mean had the guy dropped in and siad $5 for 200 blog comments he would have had a rush of PMs.

    So let me ask straight out. IF a service could give you Authority links that would NOT roll off the authority page (lets say pageranked page) are you telling me you couldn't be bothered if you had to write an article or pay someone $5 or less to have one written?
    I hate to burts your bubble there buddy, but PR doesn't automatically equal great rankings. One of many reasons why it doesn't: PR isn't updated frequently so the PR you see today may actually be the PR a site had 3 months ago. Sure, the PR of CNN doesn't change fast... but not every site is CNN

    Next to that, the value a link passes on to your site also depends on relevancy. For example, if your page is about babysitters and a page about cars is linking to that page... then the site may be PR 8 but the link is just as valuable as a link from a page on a lower PR site that IS about babysitting.

    And then there's the link text itself: exact match text links tend to outdo broad match text links...

    Do you want me to keep going here?

    The point is: yes, blog comments, directory listings, social media profiles, and all that spammy stuff DOES suck... but only focusing on how high a website's PR is when you're looking for links sucks just as much.

    There are other factors involved.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Masterminding View Post

      I hate to burts your bubble there buddy, but PR doesn't automatically equal great rankings. One of many reasons why it doesn't: PR isn't updated frequently so the PR you see today may actually be the PR a site had 3 months ago.
      Sorry to burst YOUR bubble Buddy but you are confused. Toolbar PR has absolutely nothing to do with why sites rank or do not rank and thats the only kind of PR that is not updated frequently. Tool PR is updated sporadically and does NOT reflect the internal algo PR but perhaps on the day it is updated. Real PR is updated constantly on Googles side. Toolbar PR that you see in your various tools is just for the public and not up todate. Toolbar PR has nothing to do with the algo and has very little to do with ranking at all. Internal PR (on Google's side ) is updated constantly despite your claims. Thats A

      B) Thank you for the strawman argument. No one stated it was only PR. which is. why in context links are better than blog rolls - relevant and editorial in nature guest posts are better. Thts been stated before in this very thread. There are quite likely other authority factors but given that we know of only one value (because Google sporadically releases it) Pr is the only thing in regard to authority I mentioned. Has nothing to do with thinking that is all there is as you allege.

      But thanks you for the lesson that every one knew and assumed everyone else did.
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      • Profile picture of the author Masterminding
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sorry to burst YOUR bubble Buddy but you are confused. Toolbar PR has absolutely nothing to do with why sites rank or do not rank and thats the only kind of PR that is not updated frequently. Tool PR is updated sporadically and does NOT reflect the internal algo PR but perhaps on the day it is updated. Real PR is updated constantly on Googles side. Toolbar PR that you see in your various tools is just for the public and not up todate. Toolbar PR has nothing to do with the algo and has very little to do with ranking at all. Internal PR (on Google's side ) is updated constantly despite your claims. Thats A

        B) Thank you for the strawman argument. No one stated it was only PR. which is. why in context links are better than blog rolls - relevant and editorial in nature guest posts are better. Thts been stated before in this very thread. There are quite likely other authority factors but given that we know of only one value (because Google sporadically releases it) Pr is the only thing in regard to authority I mentioned. Has nothing to do with thinking that is all there is as you allege.

        But thanks you for the lesson that every one knew and assumed everyone else did.
        Lol. Dude, you don't have to tell me I was talking about the PR seen in tools and toolbars and that Google has the actual PR... but YOU don't. You don't work for Google so you can't say a site is PR this or that because you don't know the actual value and never will. Therefore, saying high PR pages rule is a flawed statement because you have no idea if they're really and/or still high PR.

        Furthermore, your post topic and you yourself insinuated that a site with high PR equals a site you want a link of. But as I've stated before, determining which sites you want a link from is done with a whole range of factors: site theme, page theme, exact/broad match text link, linkprofile of the site, domain authority, domain age, etc.

        I'm not saying you don't know that buddy, I'm saying that claiming it's good to have links from high PR sites could be misleading. You need to be more specific, because high PR sites can be spammers too. Just look at JC Penney being banned from Google, BMW, etc. lol!
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    • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
      Originally Posted by Masterminding View Post

      Next to that, the value a link passes on to your site also depends on relevancy. For example, if your page is about babysitters and a page about cars is linking to that page... then the site may be PR 8 but the link is just as valuable as a link from a page on a lower PR site that IS about babysitting.
      Who told you that garbage? For all Google knows the babysitter website was linking to a car website because it offered a review about in car baby seats for example.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    You know what the problem is Mike? That most people think that quantity > quality of the backlinks.

    Why would I want your awesome PR5 homepage backlink in relevant content when I could have 250,000 awesome Xrumer and Scrapebox spam links! ::sarcasm::

    The other issue? Patience. We live in an instant gratification society, and what's with Google not giving my website instant rankings! </end sarcasm>

    Seriously though, a lot of disinformation goes around as fact on a variety of forums and popular blogs and that's the biggest problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

      You know what the problem is Mike? That most people think that quantity > quality of the backlinks.

      Why would I want your awesome PR5 homepage backlink in relevant content when I could have 250,000 awesome Xrumer and Scrapebox spam links! ::sarcasm::
      You nailed it. Its all about that. Even to the point of perfectly moronic statements like " just get links from your own backlink sites" like those sites have any value if they don't have links coming from other third party sites.

      I am actually loving this thread though because I can see even new people reading through the nonsense and realizing what is being said makes absolutely no sense whatsoever even though it is being said by people who have been passing off knowing SEO for some time.

      Your other point is on the money as well but it also relates to the IM mentality that says hey "you too can make a gazillion dollars by sitting on the couch and eating popcorn". Thats why you have silly commentary like a $5 article to get a good backlink is a waste because the site might disappear all the while pretending like just about any backlink anyone uses cant disappear. Chicken little silliness as an excuse to not providing any quality content to get links from the rest of the internet that at some point ( because its the INTER net ) everyone ends up relying on.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
    I'm really only posting to say : "This thread, what a mess."

    But I'll try to add something valuable to the discussion so my post sticks.

    Give any backlink spam supporter the choice between 1000 High PR, in content, homepage backlinks on pages directly related to their niche OR 2000 generally spammy links and see how quickly they turn coats.

    Its obvious to see where the value in link building is. Anyone stating otherwise is just living in denial.
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  • Profile picture of the author nomaziz
    you are right but in many cases Free websites delete links.
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  • Profile picture of the author oldvintageguy
    Mike, I am unable to PM; is it possible you could PM me with a way I can contact you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by oldvintageguy View Post

      Mike, I am unable to PM; is it possible you could PM me with a way I can contact you?
      Sent you a PM. Let me know if there are any problems getting it.
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